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bestseller92
04-14-2007, 17:40
The Nugent site has recently started charging new members twenty bucks a year for the privilege of posting there (old members get a one year free grace period).
I know bandwidth is not free, and boards cost to operate. But would you pay twenty bucks a year to post on a message board (as opposed to voluntarily donating to a board you like)?
I see this as a way for a board to atrophy and die, because it'll get no new members at all, and the old ones will slowly go away.
What do you think?
cooldude
04-14-2007, 17:44
NO!!
Thats the reason why I didnt join Klounge, Katharine McPhees official fan club! They want 25 bucks a year just to post on the forum. Veing a fan you shouldnt have to PAY to be a fan of someone.
Plus u have to give your personal info out, and I dont want to give out that!
MrKandiyohi
04-14-2007, 17:44
Charging is a good way to weed out the people who aren't seriously interested in joining. It also cuts out the spammers who post and run.
I don't necessarily agree with it, but that could be an explanation.
Hellllll yes! It should be a choice, with a 'free' level still available, but a paid level would be cool.
I can think of at least a dozen or two trolling FNDAs that it would totally eliminate!
It would be nice to have a pay level here and I will be the first to sign up!
PS. Hijack!
Nugents site? $20 a year? :rofl: :rofl: :animlol: :animlol: :animlol:
Screw him and the guitar he rode in on.
Hijack over!
chad10mm
04-14-2007, 18:04
It's not a new idea.
Often it's done by letting paying members view ad-free pages, have access to member-only areas, member-only functions and other benefits, while allowing a limited but functional access to non-paying members. Those can be and have been successful. (I'm hoping Glocktalk will get there one of these days)
I haven't been to Nugent's site lately, but if the only option they are offering is a paid membership then there probably won't be a Nugent site this time next year.
Exactly as you say, sites that go pay-only atrophe and die, unless they have a corner on an exclusive interest or clientele.
Nugent's site doesn't have that.
Many websites have special forums available only to paying members. I like this idea. Also, if they are only viewable to paying members, the things you post will not end up getting picked up by search engines.
I think this is a wonderful idea. I wish we had such a feature here. I would, and I know others would, post more pictures.
GlockMan40s&w
04-14-2007, 18:09
I would pay to post on this site. Eric does alot to this site to stay up and running.
:thumbsup: Keep up the good work.
Taurus_Dude
04-14-2007, 18:28
No.
But another forum I frequent (offtopic) lets you buy avatars.
Without an AV you can still post, but paying members generally mercilessly make fun of you. And you can't search the forum, among other things.
It would have to be a very exceptional board, and I would have to be able to atleast view it without paying.
Assuming nothing else had changed... I would pay to use glocktalk, I'm not sure how much, but I would be willing to pay to an extent.
hotlunch
04-14-2007, 18:39
Why would anyone pay to read other peoples opinions? There are too many free sites to choose from that most people don't feel the need to pay for the priveledge of posting.
Nothing more boring than a small, insular forum where all you'll ever see or read are the same opinions from the same handful of people.
If I paid, I would want a little more say-so about some things.
stangyg123
04-14-2007, 18:47
Originally posted by zoyter2
It would be nice to have a pay level here and I will be the first to sign up!
+1
2nd. :thumbsup:
nipperwolf
04-14-2007, 18:51
Originally posted by cooldude
NO!!
Thats the reason why I didnt join Klounge, Katharine McPhees official fan club!
yeah, right. :upeyes: :upeyes:
they're smart enough to NOT let stalkers join. ;)
whitetiger7653
04-14-2007, 19:21
Originally posted by hotlunch
Why would anyone pay to read other peoples opinions? There are too many free sites to choose from that most people don't feel the need to pay for the priveledge of posting.
Nothing more boring than a small, insular forum where all you'll ever see or read are the same opinions from the same handful of people.
I agree. If a forum needs money that bad they need to sell advertisement space better. Not including the fact that there are free forum hosting places. Plus you can do fundraisers like Eric did.
I think that the general consensus will end up being that some will pay, some will not. (Hold the applauds for my genius :supergrin: ).
The workable idea here at GT might be for nothing much to change for everybody; the forums could still exist as they are, but there would exist another GLOCKTALK forum section that has options that many here WOULD pay for. IE...photo hosting, archival searching, email, etc.
I don't think that anyone wants to loose what we have, but many members DO want to have more good stuff available and are willing to cover what it costs. :thumbsup:
PS...Brother Rabbi has one VERY good idea (as usual) about the benefits of a paid tier...privacy!
chad10mm
04-14-2007, 20:02
There are some funny things here.
I almost said some funny misconceptions, but that is just my opinion, so I'll stick with funny things...which is also only my opinion.
Why would anyone pay to read other peoples opinions? There are too many free sites to choose from that most people don't feel the need to pay for the priveledge of posting.
I doubt if I'd pay $1 per 100 years just to read other peoples opinions.
But there is value in a place where people DISCUSS their opinions, thoughts and ideas.
And to pay a small amount of money to keep the discussions free from trolls, internet gangstas and people that just don't get it is a worthwhile expense.
no.
Seeya
If I paid, I would want a little more say-so about some things.
A little, within reason, isn't a bad idea.
A forum ain't a democracy though. The ones that tried to be died young.
Plus u have to give your personal info out, and I dont want to give out that!
There I agree 100%. While if you are paying or donating to a site you have to give some info, or use [puke]PayPal and give it to them...always give the minimum or what you feel safest with.
If a forum needs money that bad they need to sell advertisement space better. Not including the fact that there are free forum hosting places. Plus you can do fundraisers like Eric did.
It isn't pleasant to wade through advertising to get to where you want to be. And advertising income isn't that great anyway...this ain't the superbowl..
Free forum hosting places would run you and everbody else out of here in a day or two...visit a few and you'll understand.
I don't think I should even need to comment on how much work a fund raiser is.
Like I said...funny things...open your eyes folks.
SuckLead
04-14-2007, 20:13
People are going to pay it. Those people have more money than brains, but they'll pay it. I don't mind a board that asks for donations and you can donate whatever you want to. But telling members they have to pay? Nah. I don't need to type at people that badly.
lcarreau
04-14-2007, 20:18
When GT offers a paid tier, I will pay for whatever the highest tier is.
Pay to post--no, although I have before on the TDR.
Pay for priviledges, it depends on the board. I pay at arfcom because it has a TON of info on it, and you need to pay to be able to search for it. :dunno:
whitetiger7653
04-14-2007, 20:22
Originally posted by chad10mm
It isn't pleasant to wade through advertising to get to where you want to be. And advertising income isn't that great anyway...this ain't the superbowl..
Free forum hosting places would run you and everbody else out of here in a day or two...visit a few and you'll understand.
I don't think I should even need to comment on how much work a fund raiser is.
Wrong on both accounts. Glocktalk and every other forum has paying advertisers. You see the ads every time you come here. You saw at least 2 to post that response. They are at the top of every page. Advertising income is a major part of the internet and can be a good income for the board.
Second there are free forum hosts that are reliable, safe, and have minimal advertising banners. Go visit GunLovers.Net (http://gunlovers.19.forumer.com/index.php) it is run on a free forum host. The only advertising is at the top just like here. The board is free for both the members and the administration.
cjlandry
04-14-2007, 20:28
I've been hoping GT would offer a paid tier for a long time.
When I was a very regular poster at Team Chevelle, I paid the membership because the site was worth a lot more than that to me. The people there saved me a fortune in parts, taught me to do things that I didn't know how to do, and answered questions quickly when I had them.
Glock Talk is the same way. I've saved a lot of money on guns that I've wanted because people here knew about them and were able to tell me what to look for, and what they were paying for them.
Ammo suppliers that I wouldn't have otherwise found, advice on getting started in reloading, and many other things.
This site is financially rewarding, and I would gladly pay for a membership, even if it offered nothing above and beyond what I get now.
Nugent's site, OTOH, isn't something I'd pay for. I like the man's music, and I have been to a lot of his concerts. I have gotten a few laughs watching his outdoors show. And I'm glad he got Zumbo "upgraded".
I'll buy his records and attend his concerts, but I sure as hell won't pay the man for using his website. Not to worry, though, his "blood-brothers" will, as they continue to "upgrade".
IndyGunFreak
04-14-2007, 20:30
Originally posted by lcarreau
When GT offers a paid tier, I will pay for whatever the highest tier is.
Ditto... and I think I'd still be ahead with everything I've learned here..
IGF
chad10mm
04-14-2007, 21:04
Originally posted by whitetiger7653
Wrong on both counts.(fixed it for you) Glocktalk and every other forum has paying advertisers. You see the ads every time you come here. You saw at least 2 to post that response. They are at the top of every page. Advertising income is a major part of the internet and can be a good income for the board.
Second there are free forum hosts that are reliable, safe, and have minimal advertising banners. Go visit GunLovers.Net (http://gunlovers.19.forumer.com/index.php) it is run on a free forum host. The only advertising is at the top just like here. The board is free for both the members and the administration.
First I recommend to you thehighroad.org. One of the best and most popular firearms-related forums on the internet. Your first comment makes it obvious you've never been there.
I commented to a statement that Glocktalk needs to sell advertising space better.
Glocktalk does a good job keeping the advertising up top where we can see it but use it or ignore it as we choose.
I'm not sure what gave you the impression that I somehow missed it, but rest assured that I always see it and often click on it.
My response to that statement meant that putting more advertising on a forum interferes visually with peoples interaction with the forum for what is a small monetary gain. If that's not clear enough let me know and I'll try again.
As to your second item...
I have never seen a free hosting service that could handle anything with 10% of the traffic Glocktalk generates.
'Course I'm a newbie...only been messing around with this stuff for 20 years or so, so feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt.
ChuteTheMall
04-14-2007, 21:07
http://shop.glocktalk.com/product_info.php/cPath/7/products_id/19
Click up there :laughabove:
chad10mm
04-14-2007, 21:18
And just as an off topic aside...
It would be nice to have a pay level here and I will be the first to sign up!
I think this is a wonderful idea. I wish we had such a feature here.
I would pay to post on this site. Eric does alot to this site to stay up and running.
When GT offers a paid tier, I will pay for whatever the highest tier is.
I've been hoping GT would offer a paid tier for a long time.
Ditto... and I think I'd still be ahead with everything I've learned here..
Anybody listening?
chad10mm
04-14-2007, 21:21
Originally posted by ChuteTheMall
http://shop.glocktalk.com/product_info.php/cPath/7/products_id/19
Click up there :laughabove:
A good thing, but not at all what we're talking about, ya know?
UtahIrishman
04-14-2007, 21:22
I would pay for membership here, but that's only because I've been here for some time and believe it would be worth it. I think a message board that has only paid membership won't last very long.
There's a ton of variations and options that could be offered as incentives for paid membership. On some message boards you can view but not post. I'm not certain that's the answer, but it's close. I think it takes a bit of experimentation to find the right mix of paid and non-paid services to keep a site optimal.
cjlandry
04-14-2007, 21:34
It would suck to pay for membership on a board where you find that folks don't like you, after you've paid.
whitetiger7653
04-14-2007, 21:58
Originally posted by chad10mm
First I recommend to you thehighroad.org. One of the best and most popular firearms-related forums on the internet. Your first comment makes it obvious you've never been there.
I commented to a statement that Glocktalk needs to sell advertising space better.
Glocktalk does a good job keeping the advertising up top where we can see it but use it or ignore it as we choose.
I'm not sure what gave you the impression that I somehow missed it, but rest assured that I always see it and often click on it.
My response to that statement meant that putting more advertising on a forum interferes visually with peoples interaction with the forum for what is a small monetary gain. If that's not clear enough let me know and I'll try again.
As to your second item...
I have never seen a free hosting service that could handle anything with 10% of the traffic Glocktalk generates.
'Course I'm a newbie...only been messing around with this stuff for 20 years or so, so feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt.
I am a member of THR as well. But one example out of how many thousands of forums on the net does not make it the norm.
I agree GT doesn't need anymore advertisements I think Eric has set up the site nicely.
Lastly, I completely understood your statements. I was simply stating they were wrong.
PS. Throwing out years of experience means didly squat to me. Anyone can work a job for 50+ years that doesn't mean they are good at it.
JCWohlschlag
04-14-2007, 22:00
Even having a forum be paid membership only doesn’t weed out the stupid people or the trollers. It only weeds out the stupid people and the trollers that don’t have money.
If you need proof that stupid people with money exist, just call any government phone number and ask to speak to a supervisor.
I am preparing to launch the paid tier I've been talking about for years. Basic membership will aways be free, but paid members will have access to many new features, like photo hosting, video hosting, games and much more. It should be quite a system. I'll post more about it soon. Eric
Originally posted by Eric
I am preparing to launch the paid tier I've been talking about for years. Basic membership will aways be free, but paid members will have access to many new features, like photo hosting, video hosting, games and much more. It should be quite a system. I'll post more about it soon. Eric
Eric....you run a great site. Thankyou.
Is there anyway you would consider doing a private forum so we can be free of our posts and pics getting indexed by search engines?
You get in at a specific donation level? Perhaps after a number of posts or time frame on the site?
Originally posted by Rabbi
Eric....you run a great site. Thankyou.
Is there anyway you would consider doing a private forum so we can be free of our posts and pics getting indexed by search engines?
You get in at a specific donation level? Perhaps after a number of posts or time frame on the site?
The paid tier will have some members-only forums that won't be indexable, but for the rest of the site, search engine indexing is absolutely vital for the site's continued growth. That's how people find us. Anyway, thanks for the kind words about GT. It has been a labor of love. Eric
Originally posted by Eric
The paid tier will have some members-only forums that won't be indexable, but for the rest of the site, search engine indexing is absolutely vital for the site's continued growth. That's how people find us. Anyway, thanks for the kind words about GT. It has been a labor of love. Eric
Yeah, my failure of words...I meant a specific forum not the whole site. Search engine optimization for this site is paramount for continued growth.
chad10mm
04-14-2007, 22:20
Originally posted by whitetiger7653
I am a member of THR as well. But one example out of how many thousands of forums on the net does not make it the norm.
I was merely responding to what you said...
Glocktalk and every other forum has paying advertisers.
If you are going to engage in a discussion you need to be prepared for the repercussions of broad, sweeping statements.
The rest isn't worth any more comment.
Different perspectives...no sense clogging up the thread.
chad10mm
04-14-2007, 22:23
Originally posted by Eric
I am preparing to launch the paid tier I've been talking about for years. Basic membership will aways be free, but paid members will have access to many new features, like photo hosting, video hosting, games and much more. It should be quite a system. I'll post more about it soon. Eric
:banana:
Looking forward to it!!
Originally posted by Eric
I am preparing to launch the paid tier I've been talking about for years. Basic membership will aways be free, but paid members will have access to many new features, like photo hosting, video hosting, games and much more. It should be quite a system. I'll post more about it soon. Eric
The preceeding post gets the official Zoyter2 seal of WHHHHOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
Kevin108
04-14-2007, 23:04
I would pay to post here but I doubt I would any other forum. I have donated to more than one forum in the past and never felt like it was a waste of money. I've contributed here once and bought a raffle ticket or two.
beckrodgers
04-15-2007, 05:37
No I don't think so ..
The thought reminds me of some of the chessy dating sites and forums around..
Riflemanz
04-15-2007, 05:42
I don't really care for the nuge site so i wouldn't pay for it.He's got plenty of cash and shoudn't charge anyone.
ChuteTheMall
04-15-2007, 18:52
Originally posted by Eric
I am preparing to launch the paid tier I've been talking about for years. Basic membership will aways be free, but paid members will have access to many new features, like photo hosting, video hosting, games and much more. It should be quite a system. I'll post more about it soon. Eric
How much will I get paid? I wanna be a paid member! :banana:
NO!! I have recieved a lot of useful info here and when I can I will probably contribute, but if you force me to pay I will quit.
NYC Drew
04-15-2007, 19:09
Originally posted by bukn77
NO!! I have received a lot of useful info here and when I can I will probably contribute, but if you force me to pay I will quit.
What if we force you to read the ENTIRE thread?
:) :) :) :)
Hiya Eric. Kudos on a cool site. :beer:
'Drew
i will absolutely pay to post here.
would i pay to post at any other site? nope. here is different :supergrin:
i may not take the highest tier, since i won't be paying just to use the available features; i'll be paying to support the only non-porn website that i spend any amount of time at :supergrin:
Originally posted by NYC Drew
What if we force you to read the ENTIRE thread?
:) :) :) :)
Hiya Eric. Kudos on a cool site. :beer:
'Drew
O man did that hurt, but it made me go back and read everything. Hope there's no test at the end. Eric's system still sounds like it gives you free access to a certain degree.?
NYC Drew
04-15-2007, 19:55
Originally posted by bukn77
O man did that hurt, but it made me go back and read everything. Hope there's no test at the end. Eric's system still sounds like it gives you free access to a certain degree.?
No harm, no foul! I meant that in an OKIE kinda way!
Yeah, based on what he's saying, and what's offered by other fine sites, it would be free to join, free to post, and PROBABLY free for the most basic of searches...but paid membership would (MIGHT) offer SOME services that are free now + a whole smörgåsbord of stuff not available to any of us now.
Be well.
'Drew
:cool:
I would pay here, as I donate when the fundraisers come around anyway.
And I paid at arfcom, although it was mainly to search the archives, as I was on a EBR kick for awhile..
I think I've posted just a few times there..
As I only visit 3 forums, and I've paid at 2 of them, I would have to say yes to the original question. :supergrin:
Singlemalt
04-16-2007, 05:56
Originally posted by lcarreau
When GT offers a paid tier, I will pay for whatever the highest tier is.
+1.......how long has this been an "idea" here?
Shoeless
04-16-2007, 06:50
It would depend on the board and how much value I got from it. There are some boards I frequent that I'd definitely pay to participate. Others, probably not.
GT? Definitely.
Shoeless
1Mean9x19
04-16-2007, 07:18
I would not pay, not becuase it's not worth it, but because I already am stretched to the limit with my bills. If cash was not an issue for me, I might consider it.
I think if this site became a pay forum the membership would drop in half the first year, if not more.
I love class division.
You soon to become 2nd Class posters, i.e., non-payers are gonna feel so left out.
Yep, membership cost / bulletin boards make one feel so special, of course that feeling is entirely dependent on what you do or don't pay, either way there's lots of feelings...
Originally posted by BBruce
I love class division.
You soon to become 2nd Class posters, i.e., non-payers are gonna feel so left out.
Yep, membership cost / bulletin boards make one feel so special, of course that feeling is entirely dependent on what you do or don't pay, either way there's lots of feelings...
Sad you see it this way. Life costs. That is a fact that people who are a little tight on funds know more than people who are not as tight on funds.
Glock Talk costs as well, so the truth is...You will end up with someone else paying your way.
Originally posted by BBruce
I love class division.
You soon to become 2nd Class posters, i.e., non-payers are gonna feel so left out.
Yep, membership cost / bulletin boards make one feel so special, of course that feeling is entirely dependent on what you do or don't pay, either way there's lots of feelings...
You ought to try signing the checks and dealing with the headaches here for a while. You might have a better appreciation of why a step like this is necessary. The resources you use here cost money.
A number of people here need to go back and read the whole thread, or at least the original post. This didn't start out about GT becoming a paid member-only system. Eric
voodoomanx
04-16-2007, 10:54
I think I would have to...at least on GT. I've only been here a month or so and I'm a Glock-Talk-aholic. I've made purchases based on suggestions, reviews, recommendations, and saved money and gained insite into repair, troubleshooting, shooting techniques and tips. Glock Talk is my first stop for research, and usually for entertainment as well.
I was an admin for a board (much smaller membership around 1000, with only about 100 reg posters, but still it eats traffic like crazy, you get complaints, suggestions, and pm's up the butt, and mine was hosted on small server plan and when I ran out of bandwidth one month and the site was shut down I never thought I'd hear the end of it).
So thanks Eric and all the reg's here for their wisdom, their humor, and their ability to inform, frustrate, and educate all in one scary little package known as GLOCKTALK!
Eric,
Points noted.
Educate me please.
What would help keep costs down?
Would editing out all the willy-nilly cut and pasting of articles from newspapers, blogs, etc. or the endless reposting of an O.P.'s original input or the same photo reposted over and over to satisfy one posters one word quip, or....what WOULD help keep costs down by the posters in general?
Anything?
Or is GT to become a cost type BB and that's that?
If and when that happens no problem for me.
I'm not locked into it.
Thanks
NYC Drew
04-16-2007, 15:47
Originally posted by BBruce
Eric,
Points noted.
Educate me please.
What would help keep costs down?
Would editing out all the willy-nilly cut and pasting of articles from newspapers, blogs, etc. or the endless reposting of an O.P.'s original input or the same photo reposted over and over to satisfy one posters one word quip, or....what WOULD help keep costs down by the posters in general?
Anything?
Or is GT to become a cost type BB and that's that?
If and when that happens no problem for me.
I'm not locked into it.
Thanks
You are asking very pointed and leading questions to solidify your own point of view.
'Drew
IndyGunFreak
04-16-2007, 15:53
Originally posted by BBruce
Or is GT to become a cost type BB and that's that?
If and when that happens no problem for me.
I'm not locked into it.
Thanks
:crazy: :crazy:
Did you read the thread as suggested? There's apparently no intent on Eric's part to make GT a paid membership only site. Paid membership will simply offer perks. If you want to continue posting for free, you'll be able to, and will probably notice little, if any, changes. He's pretty much played the same tune since the first time he mentioned a paid membership tier.
To keep costs down, we could all stop posting, but then advertisers won't pay to advertise here, etc. The paid tier to me, is just all a part of growing. I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner, unless Eric is independently wealthy and just hasn't told any of us... :)
Don't worry, you won't log on tomorrow, and be told to fork over your visa #, or no more posting for you... ;)
IGF
I still didn't get an answer to my question.
What can the current posters do to help with keeping the costs down i.e., disallowing reposting of newspaper articles and the like, repetitious OP reposting when completely unnecessary, ad nauseam, and other types of bandwidth waste?
If the current posters CAN help, why not appeal to them? And, if they can and choose not to cooperate, ban them.
If I'm off base - please educate me.
I would never pay to post on a discussion board. Why do that when there are top quality websites available for free?
That said, the Nuge is free to do whatever he wants. As a pro capitalist, I hope he's successful in recouping the cost of maintaining his site and then some.
If we pay, can we have an "ignore forum" feature? There are a couple of forums here that I would love to not see on the "view new posts" list.:)
Originally posted by BBruce
I still didn't get an answer to my question.
What can the current posters do to help with keeping the costs down i.e., disallowing reposting of newspaper articles and the like, repetitious OP reposting when completely unnecessary, ad nauseam, and other types of bandwidth waste?
If the current posters CAN help, why not appeal to them? And, if they can and choose not to cooperate, ban them.
If I'm off base - please educate me.
BBruce, you are off-base. Cost-cutting isn't the right approach. I could easily cut costs by limiting access to the site's resources. That would have the financial benefit of driving away longtime members and reducing the number of new members, eventually leading to the site's demise, which would really save me time and money. In order for the site to thrive, it has to grow and evolve and efforts to curtail the use of its resources, beyond stopping gross wastes of those resources, would hurt the site. The site is going to use the resources that it uses. The focus instead needs to be on keeping those resources financed, which is what I am working on now.
Trying to throttle the site's use to save money would be like trying to make your dog stop running to save money on dog food. The dog needs to be able to run and play and occasionally chase his tail to be healthy and happy. This site can't grow and thrive if its resources are being metered out too conservatively. There is no reason why this place can't be self sufficient and pay its own way. I think that adding a paid membership level to the site is a good start towards that end. I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction. Eric
muscogee
04-17-2007, 18:54
Originally posted by Eric
I am preparing to launch the paid tier I've been talking about for years. Basic membership will aways be free, but paid members will have access to many new features, like photo hosting, video hosting, games and much more. It should be quite a system. I'll post more about it soon. Eric
Do it. I have been waiting and hoping.
betyourlife
04-17-2007, 20:15
Originally posted by major
If I paid, I would want a little more say-so about some things.
+1 otherwise why not just go elsewhere?
betyourlife
04-17-2007, 20:15
Originally posted by major
If I paid, I would want a little more say-so about some things.
+1 otherwise why not just go elsewhere?
NYC Drew
04-17-2007, 20:42
Originally posted by Eric
BBruce, you are off-base.... I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction. Eric
I honestly didn't mean to get creative with quoting you!
I merely kept the 1st and last sentences!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I'm a paying member over at ARFCOM.
Originally posted by major
If I paid, I would want a little more say-so about some things.
At lot of things will change when the paid membership tier launches. One important thing will not: GT is not run by committee. One guy needs to be in charge and for better or worse, that guy is me. As always though, I am interested in hearing people's opinions on the site and its operation. That won't change. I do tend to lend more weight to the thoughts, opinions and suggestions of people who have been here a while. Likewise, people who have helped the site out financially are going to get listened to as well, but no one should think that their money is buying them the right to expect me to do as they say. The money buys the continued existence of the site and it is appreciated. I just don't want anyone to have any false expectations.
<b>Things paid membership <u>WILL NOT</u> buy you:</b>
Any leniency or special consideration when it comes to the behavior expected of people here. A paid membership does not give anyone the right to act any differently than anyone else and no special consideration will be given to anyone who violates the TOS here, regardless of their membership status.
The right to tell me how to run the site. Well actually, people have never been shy about doing that and I don't mind as long as the opinions are expressed politely, but no one should think that buying a paid membership gives them the right to expect me to do as they say.
A paid membership does not buy my advocacy or my support of your political views, your opinions, your company or your side in an argument.
<b>Paid Memberships <u>WILL</u> buy you:</b>
A larger avatar by their name.
A special icon under their name.
Access to many great new features, including photo hosting, video hosting, free your name at glocktalk.com webmail, a new game area and much more. I will announce more details soon.
A larger private message box.
A spell checker.
The ability to submit articles to be posted in a new article system on the site.
Access to post in a new review system that will be openning.
Access to some paid members-only forums that will be opening. I am also considering making a couple of the more controversial forums to paid members-only forums, to cut down the signal-to-noise ratio a bit. A couple of the forums under consideration are the Religious Issues and Political Issues forums. I haven't made any firm decisions on this matter yet.
Access to a new chat system. I am also looking into adding new Instant Messaging system.
There will be a business paid membership option as well as a personal one. In the new systems, businesses will not be allowed to advertise themselves in their signature lines, or in other places on the site, unless they are a paid business member. Business membership will have a number of other perks as well.
Under the new system, we are adding a very slick new classified ads system. This software uses the GT membership database (So only one login and user account to worry about) and it has some really great features. Under the new system, any member will be able to post a small number of classified ads a month for free (Probably 2 or 3 monthly). If someone wants to post more ads than that a month, they will need to step up to a paid membership. There will also be the advantage of having a paid member icon as a buyer or seller in the classified ads system. That means that others can buy or sell with you with more confidence because you will be known to the system.
I am considering putting a percentage of GT's earnings into a special fund. Others will be able to donate directly to this fund as well. Paid members will have a vote in this system and will elect a committee that will come up with worthy causes to which to donate this money. This committee will put any ideas to a vote and paid members will be allowed to vote on the matter. The money could be donated to a charity or cause, or to a person or persons, members on GT or not, who have suffered a hardship and need help.
I have given this idea thought for a long time and I have tons of great ideas about how to improve the site and make this new system a true asset to everyone involved.
The delay in launching this system, or in taking other proactive measures to provide for the site's financial wellbeing is a simple one with no simple solution: The site requires enough of my time to run it that it is for all practical purposes a full time job. Unfortunately, it doesn't make enough money to pay its bills AND pay me a living wage and it does not leave me enough time to work a conventional full-time job. In order to make ends meet, I take contract work that I can fit into my schedule. As a result, my schedule is so hectic and unpredictable that it is difficult to devote the time necessary to get the paid membership tier, and other ideas, off the ground.
If I can get this place to a point that it is taking care of itself AND me financially, I can make some truly great things happen here. I have a lot of ideas I would like to turn into a reality, like a political action advocacy system, a political humor showcase and series of products, a comprehensive how-to and multimedia informational system for all type of firearms and much, much more. We could do some truly incredible things here, if I can clear this next hurtle.
Folks, I built this place and I've been running it almost a decade. I've gotten pretty good at it and I've got a wealth of experience from which to make predictions about how new innovations and ideas will be received here. I know that there are a percentage of people that will reject change in any form and others that will fight any attempt to make money for the site. Most people will come around and others will not. We will lose members when these changes happen, but the new features and functions will entice many new members to join. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth and things will go on. I will regret losing any members, but I must confess that I don't have much patience for anyone who doesn't agree in principle with my decision to try to make this place pay for itself and pay me for my efforts. People that feel this way will come or stay as they see fit, but I am not going to spend a lot of time worrying about how they feel about the changes to come. This is something that needs to happen. All I ask is for everyone to keep an open mind and give the new system a chance. I am good at what I do and I believe the new system will be worth any trouble or inconvenience any of us has to endure to get it off the ground. Eric
I didn't mean to hijack the thread, but this seemed like a good opportunity to bring up the pending GT paid tier info. Eric
lcarreau
04-17-2007, 22:23
I like the idea of making the high maintenance (controversial) forums paid tier only. Also, more PM space will be a plus for me.
I look forward to the new tiered system and intend to be among the first in line to pay for the toptier of memebership.
-Lonnie
Originally posted by Eric
I didn't mean to hijack the thread, but this seemed like a good opportunity to bring up the pending GT paid tier info. Eric
i have one question, what will the membership payment methods be for a paid member? will money orders be acceptable or will it be online transactions only?
Originally posted by BEER
i have one question, what will the membership payment methods be for a paid member? will money orders be acceptable or will it be online transactions only?
I will initially accept Pay Pal, or check or money orders as payment. I hope to be able to add credit card processing soon as well.
<b> People will be able to pay by money order, but if they use this payment method, they will not receive whatever <font color="red">'Verified'</font> icon that I will give to paid members, for use in the classified ads forums. The purpose of that icon is to let users know that the member in question used some sort of verifiable payment method that will give law enforcement a way to find them, in the event of a fraudulent transaction. <font size=1><i>Obviously, any personal information on any member of the site would only be given to the proper authorities and only then when the request is verified as being legal and official.</i></font> Anyway, money orders are more anonymous, so no 'verified' icon will be given. I hope this answers your question.</b> Eric
Eric, so far I'm liking what I'm hearing about the paid membership. :thumbsup:
lcarreau
04-17-2007, 22:59
Originally posted by Eric
I will initially accept Pay Pal, or check or money orders as payment. I hope to be able to add credit card processing soon as well.
<b> People will be able to pay by money order, but if they use this payment method, they will not receive whatever <font color="red">'Verified'</font> icon that I will give to paid members, for use in the classified ads forums. The purpose of that icon is to let users know that the member in question used some sort of verifiable payment method that will give law enforcement a way to find them, in the event of a fraudulent transaction. <font size=1><i>Obviously, any personal information on any member of the site would only be given to the proper authorities and only then when the request is verified as being legal and official.</i></font> Anyway, money orders are more anonymous, so no 'verified' icon will be given. I hope this answers your question.</b> Eric
The "verified" icon will make for safer transacions in the classified section. I try to stick to face to face transactions because I worry about traceability.
-Lonnie
UtahIrishman
04-17-2007, 23:01
This is sounding way cool. I like what I'm hearing Eric.
So...ummm...at the risk of hi-jacking the thread further...as a paid member will I have access to where ever you get those cool avatars from? :supergrin:
Let me reiterate......my money and I are ready and waiting! :banana: :banana:
Originally posted by lcarreau
The "verified" icon will make for safer transacions in the classified section...
-Lonnie
That's what I'm hoping. The icon, along with the feedback system that the new software has, should make things safer for everyone. Eric
Originally posted by UtahIrishman
This is sounding way cool. I like what I'm hearing Eric.
So...ummm...at the risk of hi-jacking the thread further...as a paid member will I have access to where ever you get those cool avatars from? :supergrin:
Funny you should ask. I have considered making up lots of avatars and offering them in the GT shopping cart, for a nominal fee. It wouldn't make much, but every little bit helps keep this place in Cheese Whiz. Eric
NYC Drew
04-17-2007, 23:12
Sounds good Eric.
At the rate of my <s>addiction</s> participation, A few schekels to keep this place running is very worth it.
One suggestion.
Can you ACCIDENTALLY reset Okie's & Mrs. VRs post counts during the upgrade so a NY brother could have a shot at catching up?
....and it's a foregone conclusion that the "health" of the relationship should not change because of financial contribution.
I'll send out my annual check by May 1st!
'Drew
Originally posted by NYC Drew
...Can you ACCIDENTALLY reset Okie's & Mrs. VRs post counts during the upgrade so a NY brother could have a shot at catching up?...
Funny you should mention THAT...
I have kicked around an idea of a system here where people could make a donation to the site and pick another member to get picked on. We could call the function something like <b>'GT Pet Goat For A Day'</b>. It would all be done in good fun and we could come up with all sorts of ways to screw with the poor victims!:devilish: It could be something like a GT celebrity roast type of thing. It would take a bit of work to get the format and ground rules down to make it workable, but I think it would be a lot of fun. Eric
PeterJasonMN
04-18-2007, 00:13
Originally posted by Eric
I am preparing to launch the paid tier I've been talking about for years. Basic membership will aways be free, but paid members will have access to many new features, like photo hosting, video hosting, games and much more. It should be quite a system. I'll post more about it soon. Eric
E-
I'm hoping you didn't cover this in page 3 at all, but would prior donaters be granted the "Paid Tier" access, or would we donate again?
Originally posted by PeterJasonMN
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I'm hoping you didn't cover this in page 3 at all, but would prior donaters be granted the "Paid Tier" access, or would we donate again?
I am sure he will acount for that in some way. (And good question)
I guess all I am curious about is how many levels and what dollar amounts are you thinking.
Other than that, I think you do a wonderful job keeping the peace among 65000 folks. Not only can that not be easy...not many could even do it at all.
Originally posted by PeterJasonMN
E-
I'm hoping you didn't cover this in page 3 at all, but would prior donaters be granted the "Paid Tier" access, or would we donate again?
Actually, the donations system and the paid tier will be separate systems. I only keep records of donations for 45 days, so it wouldn't be possible for me to know who paid how much further back than that.
I don't want to sound ungrateful for donations that people have made, but donations in the past were gratefully accepted and used to pay bills at that time. I need the revenue from the paid tier system to help support GT into the future.
As I mentioned, I am going to keep up the donation system exclusive of the paid tier, but I am working on a way to do something nice for people who donate. The spirit of the donation is that it is made not expecting something in return, but it would be nice to be able to give something back. I am thinking about doing a recurring drawing for people who make a straight donation to the site. I thought that I might be able to get some sponsors to pony up gift certificates for prizes. I'm not sure exactly what the finished concept will look like, but I am working on it.
Donations, or the paid tier, or advertising or merchandise sales can all make money for the site, but none of them can support the place by itself. I am hoping that all of them together can do so. Eric
Originally posted by Rabbi
I am sure he will acount for that in some way. (And good question)
I guess all I am curious about is how many levels and what dollar amounts are you thinking.
Other than that, I think you do a wonderful job keeping the peace among 65000 folks. Not only can that not be easy...not many could even do it at all.
Initially, there will be a personal paid membership and a business paid membership. In the near future, I want to be able to offer three levels each type of membership, with progressively more and better access to the features I will be adding. I haven't settled on dollar amounts for the memberships yet. I will keep them fair. I hope to be able to post more information on the system in the next week or so. I appreciate the interest. Eric
Originally posted by Eric
I will initially accept Pay Pal, or check or money orders as payment. I hope to be able to add credit card processing soon as well.
<b> People will be able to pay by money order, but if they use this payment method, they will not receive whatever <font color="red">'Verified'</font> icon that I will give to paid members, for use in the classified ads forums. The purpose of that icon is to let users know that the member in question used some sort of verifiable payment method that will give law enforcement a way to find them, in the event of a fraudulent transaction. <font size=1><i>Obviously, any personal information on any member of the site would only be given to the proper authorities and only then when the request is verified as being legal and official.</i></font> Anyway, money orders are more anonymous, so no 'verified' icon will be given. I hope this answers your question.</b> Eric
that not only answers my question, but it also changes my mind about my willingness to pay for membership. the quicker you get these shenannigans rolling, the quicker you'll get my snail mail payment.
one last question, and this is not imprtant or anything but, once we get a paid tier type deal working will there be any special adult oriented type forum where we can cut losse a little? you know, the language filters are a little looser, and the pics are a little racier maybe, anything like that?
Originally posted by BEER
that not only answers my question, but it also changes my mind about my willingness to pay for membership. the quicker you get these shenannigans rolling, the quicker you'll get my snail mail payment.
one last question, and this is not imprtant or anything but, once we get a paid tier type deal working will there be any special adult oriented type forum where we can cut losse a little? you know, the language filters are a little looser, and the pics are a little racier maybe, anything like that?
You know, that is something I have given quite a bit of thought. I wouldn't mind having an area for more adult oriented content, but I am wondering if it would be possible to do so without it turning into a smutfest. If I did something like this, I would want it to be in keeping with the atmosphere on the rest of the site. Anyway, it is something I am kicking around.
As for the bad word filter, I am working on an idea for a new modification of this system. What I have in mind is to modify the system so that non-members, members who are not logged in and all logged in members by default would be under the umbrella of a bad word filter, but members would have the ability to turn the filter off individually when they were logged in, if they liked. I could even make it so that each user had their own personal bad word filter list they could maintain. Again, this is just speculation at this time, but it is something I have kicked around. Maybe this is a mod that would only be applied to some paid members-only forums. I don't know. I am considering a number of new ideas. I am a tinkerer at heart. Eric
if you become anymore "the man" we're gonna have to change your screen name to chuck norris. lol
DustyBottoms
04-18-2007, 02:08
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have about 30 sites that I regularly visit. Paying for them is not an option.
Originally posted by BEER
once we get a paid tier type deal working will there be any special adult oriented type forum where we can cut losse a little? you know, the language filters are a little looser, and the pics are a little racier maybe, anything like that?
I agree 10000000000%.
Originally posted by Eric
You know, that is something I have given quite a bit of thought. I wouldn't mind having an area for more adult oriented content, but I am wondering if it would be possible to do so without it turning into a smutfest. If I did something like this, I would want it to be in keeping with the atmosphere on the rest of the site. Anyway, it is something I am kicking around.
As for the bad word filter, I am working on an idea for a new modification of this system. What I have in mind is to modify the system so that non-members, members who are not logged in and all logged in members by default would be under the umbrella of a bad word filter, but members would have the ability to turn the filter off individually when they were logged in, if they liked. I could even make it so that each user had their own personal bad word filter list they could maintain.
Maybe make paid memberships optional, and only the paying members have access to the uncensored content. Users would have the choice of accessing the boards how they are now or if they want the full-blown version they could access the uncensored language and adult-oriented topics.
This would also cut down on misbehaving in the current forum areas, because if the topic was very sensitive and it escalated into a heated debate they could "take it out back" so to speak. The thread could be moved to the adult-only unrestricted area by mods or simply closed and the members told to take it to the other area.
That would be fantastic and quite a brilliant setup. Anyone offended chose to be, so no repercussions on your end as the Admin. It's the perfect message board actually. :thumbsup:
PeterJasonMN
04-18-2007, 03:19
Eric:
How much would it cost me to have LV702's post count reset to about -1000000? If you shoot me a number that's workable I'll send you a check.
And for Naughty Filter v 2.0 can we please block the words:
-Rosie
-O'Donnell
-Jarhead
-Brokeback?
Thank you.
cjlandry
04-18-2007, 07:06
Originally posted by PeterJasonMN
Eric:
How much would it cost me to have LV702's post count reset to about -1000000? If you shoot me a number that's workable I'll send you a check.
And for Naughty Filter v 2.0 can we please block the words:
-Rosie
-O'Donnell
-Jarhead
-Brokeback?
Thank you.
And we should also include American Idol related items (just joking Peach).;)
PeterJasonMN
04-18-2007, 07:39
Originally posted by cjlandry
And we should also include American Idol/reality tv related items
:innocent:
lcarreau
04-18-2007, 08:14
Originally posted by PeterJasonMN
Eric:
How much would it cost me to have LV702's post count reset to about -1000000? If you shoot me a number that's workable I'll send you a check.
If Eric had a telethon where every dollar decremented LV's post count by one, GT would be good to go for a long time. :)
PeterJasonMN
04-18-2007, 08:41
Originally posted by lcarreau
If Eric had a telethon where every dollar decremented LV's post count by one, GT would be good to go for a long time. :)
"For just pennies a day YOU can make Stephen very ticked off!"
freakshow10mm
04-18-2007, 09:01
Originally posted by lcarreau
When GT offers a paid tier, I will pay for whatever the highest tier is. :thumbsup: Me too.
Razoreye
04-18-2007, 09:53
Originally posted by cooldude
NO!!
Thats the reason why I didnt join Klounge, Katharine McPhees official fan club! They want 25 bucks a year just to post on the forum. Veing a fan you shouldnt have to PAY to be a fan of someone.
Plus u have to give your personal info out, and I dont want to give out that! Perhaps to get rid of creepy stalkers like you, Cybyte?
The Nuge is full of himself. He has crappy music and a sketchy past that people are willing to overlook because he supports gun rights.
Razoreye
04-18-2007, 10:08
Will the board be purged of old posts as fast as it currently is or are you going to set up an archival server...? Sometimes it'd be nice to be able to go back more than 6 months to a year.
Glock20.com
04-18-2007, 10:55
Just saw your thread on people paying to post, etc.
I would be happy to put together smaller AMSOIL gift certificates (additional ones) so you could give them away on a more frequent basis. Maybe something so that when X number of people sign up at a level, there is a prize drawn so that there is a pretty good/consistent chance that people would win. If memberships were $10 each at a level, the maybe each set of 25 would get a 1 in 25 chance at a $25 certificate. certificates would be transferable. For higher levels, say $25 levels, every 10 could get a drawing or every 20 could get a drawing for a $50 cert, etc.
I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, so I am pulling these numbers out of my butt, but I am happy to help in exchange for ad space.
yet another Eric
www.Race-Oil.com
AMSOIL User and Dealer
Originally posted by Eric
Actually, the donations system and the paid tier will be separate systems. I only keep records of donations for 45 days, so it wouldn't be possible for me to know who paid how much further back than that.
I don't want to sound ungrateful for donations that people have made, but donations in the past were gratefully accepted and used to pay bills at that time. I need the revenue from the paid tier system to help support GT into the future.
As I mentioned, I am going to keep up the donation system exclusive of the paid tier, but I am working on a way to do something nice for people who donate. The spirit of the donation is that it is made not expecting something in return, but it would be nice to be able to give something back. I am thinking about doing a recurring drawing for people who make a straight donation to the site. I thought that I might be able to get some sponsors to pony up gift certificates for prizes. I'm not sure exactly what the finished concept will look like, but I am working on it.
Donations, or the paid tier, or advertising or merchandise sales can all make money for the site, but none of them can support the place by itself. I am hoping that all of them together can do so. Eric
Taurus_Dude
04-18-2007, 11:07
Let me reiterate my thoughts.
I will not pay to post on GlockTalk. There are other gun forums I'd rather go to if it came down to paying $5 a month. In fact, I already pay for one.
As I said before, you may want to look into the system that forums.offtopic.com uses. You do not need to pay to post. However, you do need to pay to use the search feature, and get an avatar. The avatar is a respect thing. The guys without them are usually reminded (friendly most of the time) that they really ought to get one.
If you pay $5 for an Avatar, for a month you can use all of the extra features. After that month, your avatar remains, but you can no longer use search features, you can't change your avatars picture, and your PM box will only hold 5 messages.
That way anyone selling anything is going to be encouraged to get an avatar. Anyone who wants to search will need it, and so forth. There are closed forums that only the members with Avatars can get into, and usually anyone selling anything in the for sale section doesn't want to deal with anyone that hasn't payed the $5 atleast once.
Its seemed to work out great, and the owner of the site makes a nice chunk of change.
Problem is, they have a pretty good gun forum, and If I have to pay to be here, I'll just stick with the one site I'm already paying for.
I just checked and the front page says there are 1100 active users at this instant. I've seen it go over 2000 in the evenings sometimes. If just a tenth of those purchased the extra features for $5 a month, thats $500 a month. And those are just the users surfing right now. I have no clue how many active users glocktalk has on a daily basis, but the front page says 67,000 registered users. I'm gonna take a guess and say maybe 20,000 are active. If even just a twentieth payed for an avatar and everything else, that would be a dang nice chunk of money. I know hosting isn't cheap, but its not THAT expensive either. A private server at a colo is only around $200 a month last time I checked. And that was with a 5 mb/s connection.
Another thing your going to want to think about is, a week or so ago I made a post (I can't remember about what) and used the word "cock". As in "That guy was a real cock". I got 2 separate Personal Messages from different people telling me to edit my post. If I'm paying to post somewhere, you better believe I'm going to be ticked if I can't type the same way I talk. I'm not saying let people post hard core porn, but if someone is paying, and a "****" or "damn" slips in here or there, they shouldn't be chastised like little kids. This is a gun forum after all, and I'm sure the majority of gun owners and enthusiasts are of age.
PeterJasonMN
04-18-2007, 11:12
Once again you're not going to HAVE to pay to play here. Only if you want "enhanced" features. You'll still have everything you had before if you don't pay.
Originally posted by Taurus_Dude
Let me reiterate my thoughts.
I will not pay to post on GlockTalk. There are other gun forums I'd rather go to if it came down to paying $5 a month. In fact, I already pay for one.
You may want to look into the system that forums.offtopic.com uses. You do not need to pay to post. However, you do need to pay to use the search feature, and get an avatar. The avatar is a respect thing. The guys without them are usually reminded (friendly most of the time) that they really ought to get one.
If you pay $5 for an Avatar, for a month you can use all of the extra features. After that month, your avatar remains, but you can no longer use search features, you can't change your avatars picture, and your PM box will only hold 5 messages.
That way anyone selling anything is going to be encouraged to get an avatar. Anyone who wants to search will need it, and so forth. There are closed forums that only the members with Avatars can get into, and usually anyone selling anything in the for sale section doesn't want to deal with anyone that hasn't payed the $5 atleast once.
Its seemed to work out great, and the owner of the site makes a nice chunk of change.
Problem is, they have a pretty good gun forum, and If I have to pay to be here, I'll just stick with the one site I'm already paying for.
It isn't going to cost you anything to actually read what I posted. If you don't want to support GT, that is your right. I covered that in my posts as well. Eric
Glock20.com
04-18-2007, 11:22
It seems like you have a lot of people who want to send you money for paid memberships. perhaps you can set up a shopping cart item for membership deposits so they can start sending you money to relieve your financial stress while you work out what exactly it will earn.
an item of $5 and/or $10 and/or $25 would let people start sending cash your way and then when you figure out the program and the start date, you just give them the credit and let them send the balance of what's due for the level they want.
I also have another idea that might generate money for you that I will post in the support forum.
NYC Drew
04-18-2007, 14:15
Originally posted by Eric
It isn't going to cost you anything to actually read what I posted. If you don't want to support GT, that is your right. I covered that in my posts as well. Eric
Aw MAN! You stole my thunder.
I ESPECIALLY like when someone (who is neither a business sponsor, a moderator, an administrator, NOR THE OWNER) says
"Let ME reiterate...."
For those that are coming in late...
Eric
Administrator
Registered: Dec 1998
Location:
= GLOCKTALK BIG CHEEZE
BigBoostDSM
04-18-2007, 15:40
I pay to post on OT, but that's cause I get my porno there :hearts:
Doubt I'd pay for a site that doesn't offer me something above and beyond what I can get elsewhere.
Originally posted by Taurus_Dude
Let me reiterate my thoughts.
I will not pay to post on GlockTalk. There are other gun forums I'd rather go to if it came down to paying $5 a month. In fact, I already pay for one.
As I said before, you may want to look into the system that forums.offtopic.com uses. You do not need to pay to post. However, you do need to pay to use the search feature, and get an avatar. The avatar is a respect thing. The guys without them are usually reminded (friendly most of the time) that they really ought to get one.
If you pay $5 for an Avatar, for a month you can use all of the extra features. After that month, your avatar remains, but you can no longer use search features, you can't change your avatars picture, and your PM box will only hold 5 messages.
That way anyone selling anything is going to be encouraged to get an avatar. Anyone who wants to search will need it, and so forth. There are closed forums that only the members with Avatars can get into, and usually anyone selling anything in the for sale section doesn't want to deal with anyone that hasn't payed the $5 atleast once.
Its seemed to work out great, and the owner of the site makes a nice chunk of change.
Problem is, they have a pretty good gun forum, and If I have to pay to be here, I'll just stick with the one site I'm already paying for.
I just checked and the front page says there are 1100 active users at this instant. I've seen it go over 2000 in the evenings sometimes. If just a tenth of those purchased the extra features for $5 a month, thats $500 a month. And those are just the users surfing right now. I have no clue how many active users glocktalk has on a daily basis, but the front page says 67,000 registered users. I'm gonna take a guess and say maybe 20,000 are active. If even just a twentieth payed for an avatar and everything else, that would be a dang nice chunk of money. I know hosting isn't cheap, but its not THAT expensive either. A private server at a colo is only around $200 a month last time I checked. And that was with a 5 mb/s connection.
Another thing your going to want to think about is, a week or so ago I made a post (I can't remember about what) and used the word "cock". As in "That guy was a real cock". I got 2 separate Personal Messages from different people telling me to edit my post. If I'm paying to post somewhere, you better believe I'm going to be ticked if I can't type the same way I talk. I'm not saying let people post hard core porn, but if someone is paying, and a "****" or "damn" slips in here or there, they shouldn't be chastised like little kids. This is a gun forum after all, and I'm sure the majority of gun owners and enthusiasts are of age.
The admin of this site doesnt need anyone defending his actions when it comes to something he owns...so I wont issue a diatribe on those matters....however,...the money... Why would you...who will not have to pay if you dont want too...why would you try to limit what Eric makes? He stated he would like to make a living off of this site. Many people do just that with forums.
It is a full time job. this is an entertainment venue. Eric is the Ringmaster of a 50 ring circus and last time I looked into it, entertainment managers made a fair living. Generating 500 a month would probably be a step BACK from current earnings. Given his skills and what it takes to live these days, he would probably like to NET well over $5,000 a month. (I dont see why this place could not net 10-15K a month though.) Working towards a goal such as that should be the goal...not how cheap he can do it so you dont have to pay.
Originally posted by Taurus_Dude
Let me reiterate my thoughts.
I will not pay to post on GlockTalk. There are other gun forums I'd rather go to if it came down to paying $5 a month. In fact, I already pay for one.
Besides, you're on your third account here, so it's best not to make an investment that you'll likely lose!
NYC Drew
04-18-2007, 16:27
Originally posted by Rabbi
...Generating 500 a month would probably be a step BACK from current earnings. ...
If I made less than $500 A DAY I'd be in deep doo doo.
If he was able to make $5000 a month (net), more power to him.
It's not like he's in LaPierre territory - and even if he was, I would not care - unless he stated pleading poverty!
:)
Originally posted by PeterJasonMN
Once again you're not going to HAVE to pay to play here. Only if you want "enhanced" features. You'll still have everything you had before if you don't pay.
people don't seem to grasp the concept that nothing will really change for those who don't WANT to pay.
i'm all for the paid tier system. i HOPE it not only helps keep GT afloat, but that it helps make Eric some cash.
i bet if you dropped 10k in his lap right now, and divided it over all of the hours he has spent maintaining this site, that he'd be making less than your average fast food employee ;)
not counting expenses and such that he has never done anything more than ASK for donations or run a contest now and again.
there are very few things on the net that i would pay for. i won't pay for porn, and i won't pay for email access. i WILL pay a few bucks a month to support GT. and i hope it puts a few extra bucks a month in Eric's pocket, for all the crap he has dealt with in the past, building a website just for the sake of having a community such as this one.
Originally posted by Taurus_Dude
Let me reiterate my thoughts.
I will not pay to post on GlockTalk. There are other gun forums I'd rather go to if it came down to paying $5 a month. In fact, I already pay for one.
As I said before, you may want to look into the system that forums.offtopic.com uses. You do not need to pay to post. However, you do need to pay to use the search feature, and get an avatar. The avatar is a respect thing. The guys without them are usually reminded (friendly most of the time) that they really ought to get one.
If you pay $5 for an Avatar, for a month you can use all of the extra features. After that month, your avatar remains, but you can no longer use search features, you can't change your avatars picture, and your PM box will only hold 5 messages.
That way anyone selling anything is going to be encouraged to get an avatar. Anyone who wants to search will need it, and so forth. There are closed forums that only the members with Avatars can get into, and usually anyone selling anything in the for sale section doesn't want to deal with anyone that hasn't payed the $5 atleast once.
Its seemed to work out great, and the owner of the site makes a nice chunk of change.
Problem is, they have a pretty good gun forum, and If I have to pay to be here, I'll just stick with the one site I'm already paying for.
I just checked and the front page says there are 1100 active users at this instant. I've seen it go over 2000 in the evenings sometimes. If just a tenth of those purchased the extra features for $5 a month, thats $500 a month. And those are just the users surfing right now. I have no clue how many active users glocktalk has on a daily basis, but the front page says 67,000 registered users. I'm gonna take a guess and say maybe 20,000 are active. If even just a twentieth payed for an avatar and everything else, that would be a dang nice chunk of money. I know hosting isn't cheap, but its not THAT expensive either. A private server at a colo is only around $200 a month last time I checked. And that was with a 5 mb/s connection.
Another thing your going to want to think about is, a week or so ago I made a post (I can't remember about what) and used the word "cock". As in "That guy was a real cock". I got 2 separate Personal Messages from different people telling me to edit my post. If I'm paying to post somewhere, you better believe I'm going to be ticked if I can't type the same way I talk. I'm not saying let people post hard core porn, but if someone is paying, and a "****" or "damn" slips in here or there, they shouldn't be chastised like little kids. This is a gun forum after all, and I'm sure the majority of gun owners and enthusiasts are of age.
Let me cover a couple of points I missed the first time I read your post:
First of all, GT isn't on one low-end box at a budget co-lo facility. The website system is on TWELVE servers and we used more than 1.4TB of bandwidth last month. That is terabytes for those of you that don't habla geek-speak. It costs one hell of a lot more than $200 a month to keep this place afloat and that isn't even factoring in equipment costs, software license costs and wages. This is an expensive operation.
Secondly, <b>and I want to be very clear on this point</b>, the same behavior will be expected of everyone here, whether you are a paid member or not. This site's posting rules have been in place unchanged for almost a decade and it is unlikely they will change in the future. If you do not like the site's rules or how the place is run, keep your money in your pocket. Anyway, I don't think that anyone here ever gets 'chastised like kids', but whatever you call the warnings, it is never necessary when people act like mature, responsible adults. If you want to be able to use vulgar language when the mood strikes you, maybe this isn't the site for you. At any rate, paid membership is not going to give anyone the right to dictate terms to me or to act in a way that violates this site's TOS and you can take that to the bank. Eric
henrygale
04-18-2007, 21:52
pay ? no i would not. there are alot of gun forums on the internet as good or better then gt that is for free.That and i have seen the added features and none of the paid features stands out as anything i would care for paid or free.also this site has has to be making some pocket money or it would not be up and going, it is not a hobby parttime site.money is being made.to each thier own god bless.
Originally posted by henrygale
pay ? no i would not. there are alot of gun forums on the internet as good or better then gt that is for free.That and i have seen the added features and none of the paid features stands out as anything i would care for paid or free.also this site has has to be making some pocket money or it would not be up and going, it is not a hobby parttime site.money is being made.to each thier own god bless.
You know, if I had been banned from a site, managed to sneak back on and wanted to hang out there, I hope I would have the sense to keep my head down. Eric
NYC Drew
04-18-2007, 22:07
Originally posted by henrygale
pay ? no i would not. there are alot of gun forums on the internet as good or better then gt that is for free.That and i have seen the added features and none of the paid features stands out as anything i would care for paid or free.also this site has has to be making some pocket money or it would not be up and going, it is not a hobby parttime site.money is being made.to each thier own god bless.
Date Registered: 04-11-2007
Sarah Brady, is that you?
Razoreye
04-18-2007, 22:07
Originally posted by Eric
You know, if I had been banned from a site, managed to sneak back on and wanted to hang out there, I hope I would have the sense to keep my head down. Eric LoL, pwnt.
Ahem.
Originally posted by Razoreye
Will the board be purged of old posts as fast as it currently is or are you going to set up an archival server...? Sometimes it'd be nice to be able to go back more than 6 months to a year.
Originally posted by Razoreye
LoL, pwnt.
Ahem.
I do plan on setting up an archive system. Once I have the funds to upgrade the equipment, I will set the archive up on the older stuff. I don't like having to lose the old message threads either. Eric
jdeere_man
04-18-2007, 22:31
I think I'm addicted what can I say.
However, I and many people, have come to love the internet because of the many "free" services it has to offer. I despise the day when all the sites charge for services we're used to getting for free.
That said, for a good site, yes I'd probably pay, but would limit my membership to a select few, and participate in less sites.
I think a donation basis is the best way to go if you can make it work for you. If donations aren't cutting it, then charge a reasonable fee.
so mr.eric sir, once this joint goes paid tier and you start making a living at this does that mean we'll see more of you posting around? i kinda like watching your avatars change. lol
Good grief.
<b><font color="red" size="7">BASIC MEMBERSHIP HERE WILL ALWAYS BE FREE.</FONT></B>
The paid tier will be in addition to the current free basic membership level. Eric
lcarreau
04-18-2007, 22:37
Originally posted by jdeere_man
I think I'm addicted what can I say.
Me too. Eric is my dealer, but so far he has been giving it away for free.
rhikdavis
04-18-2007, 22:38
Why is this stickied?
Originally posted by BEER
so mr.eric sir, once this joint goes paid tier and you start making a living at this does that mean we'll see more of you posting around? i kinda like watching your avatars change. lol
Yeah, I will be around here more when I have some free time. I do enjoy hanging out here. Eric
Originally posted by rhikdavis
Why is this stickied?
Because I want people to see it. Try to keep up. :tongueout: Eric
rhikdavis
04-18-2007, 22:47
Originally posted by Eric
Because I want people to see it. Try to keep up. :tongueout: Eric
It's late. I'm going to bed on that note.
Originally posted by Eric
Because I want people to see it. Try to keep up. :tongueout: Eric
one thing i have to say about stickies...just as an aside...
i damn near always overlook them. don't mean to, but i skip down to the "current" threads, and overlook stickies at least 90% of the time. they effectively get LESS attention from me than they would if they weren't stickied.
i'm sure others are bass ackwards of me tho :supergrin:
PeterJasonMN
04-18-2007, 22:57
I'm still mad you didn't save the AOD Drunk "Piano Piano Piano" thread.
And once again for those hard of reading:
<h1>IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY YOU WON'T HAVE TO. IT WILL STILL BE FREE FOR YOU. YOU CAN CHOOSE NOT TO PAY, AND YOU WILL STILL GET TO POST HERE.</h1>
Ok, if you'll notice, not one word was more than one syllable. Ender/Eric, think they'll catch it then?
Originally posted by PeterJasonMN
Ok, if you'll notice, not one word was more than one syllable. Ender/Eric, think they'll catch it then?
funny, that.
i JUST reiterated the same statement in a copycat/dup thread...
Kentuckian
04-18-2007, 23:17
No.
PeterJasonMN
04-18-2007, 23:21
Originally posted by Ender
funny, that.
i JUST reiterated the same statement in a copycat/dup thread...
You'll notice I bumped it back to top.
Taurus_Dude
04-19-2007, 00:19
Originally posted by Eric
Let me cover a couple of points I missed the first time I read your post:
First of all, GT isn't on one low-end box at a budget co-lo facility. The website system is on TWELVE servers and we used more than 1.4TB of bandwidth last month. That is terabytes for those of you that don't habla geek-speak. It costs one hell of a lot more than $200 a month to keep this place afloat and that isn't even factoring in equipment costs, software license costs and wages. This is an expensive operation.
Secondly, <b>and I want to be very clear on this point</b>, the same behavior will be expected of everyone here, whether you are a paid member or not. This site's posting rules have been in place unchanged for almost a decade and it is unlikely they will change in the future. If you do not like the site's rules or how the place is run, keep your money in your pocket. Anyway, I don't think that anyone here ever gets 'chastised like kids', but whatever you call the warnings, it is never necessary when people act like mature, responsible adults. If you want to be able to use vulgar language when the mood strikes you, maybe this isn't the site for you. At any rate, paid membership is not going to give anyone the right to dictate terms to me or to act in a way that violates this site's TOS and you can take that to the bank. Eric
Eric, I was not trying to be condescending with my remarks regarding your servers. I'm a little surprised that its 12 of them, I would have expected more like 2 or 3, and perhaps one set on east and another on west coast, but thats besides the point.
There is no reason why you couldn't make a living on the site. The site I described before does make a lot of money, and the owner is very well off now because of it. I was just trying to help.
No, I will not pay to post here, there are plenty of other gun forums out there. You would be shooting yourself in the foot if you made it totally pay to post, but its obvious your not doing that.
I full support your plan of wanting to make a living off the internet. Tons of people do it.
I think you may want to think things through REALLY well though. If your making money, your moderators are probably going to want a cut too. Right now, your probably losing or maybe breaking even on the server costs. What happens when your making money, but obviously you can't keep up on moderating by yourself. So your going to keep around the mods you have. But...who would want to work for free when your boss is making money off your work? Are you going to pay them too? Its just a thought. I just reread your other post, and you mention "wages" so maybe you already are though. I think glocktalk is a good site, but I don't really see anything special here, that sets it apart from other gunnut sites.
Taurus_Dude
04-19-2007, 00:25
Originally posted by Wog
Besides, you're on your third account here, so it's best not to make an investment that you'll likely lose!
Yeah, no thanks to you, huh wog?
Did you ever stop to think its a little strange the moderator I spoke with via email sided with me, let me register a new name, and I'm back to posting? Maybe its because he agreed you were a jerk, and let me register a new name so that you would quit bothering me. But no, you had to be a crafty little twerp, somehow figure out who I was again (I'm assuming because I posted pictures of the same guns I had before) and start sending me threatening Personal Messages.
But I let it go, and didn't report it.
Let it go wog, its getting REALLY old, you posting in all my threads hinting around about reporting me for god knows what.
Just lemme know when and where to sign up, Eric. I've learned more on GT than I certainly dreamed I would when I first made an account, and made better friends than I'd planned on -- tier one member, waiting to happen! Were I to write a book about the stuff I've learned thanks to this place, it would certainly cost me more than my donations thus far have, which means I'm getting a bargain (the way I see it).
I'm very willing to pay a bit every month or year. I enjoy this site and it's atmosphere plus I learn a lot.
Bill1954
04-19-2007, 06:15
I figure if I want to go to another tier I'll pay for it. I know these sites can be very expensive. But what ever happens, the decisions are up to the person running the site. I never really thought about it before. But this is my favorite website. And if Eric charged for the site, so be it. It's certainly been worth the donations I have already sent. And I really liked the on-line raffle. Just wanted to say Thanks to Eric for all that is done on this site.:thumbsup:
Originally posted by Taurus_Dude
Eric, I was not trying to be condescending with my remarks regarding your servers. I'm a little surprised that its 12 of them, I would have expected more like 2 or 3, and perhaps one set on east and another on west coast, but thats besides the point.
There is no reason why you couldn't make a living on the site. The site I described before does make a lot of money, and the owner is very well off now because of it. I was just trying to help.
No, I will not pay to post here, there are plenty of other gun forums out there. You would be shooting yourself in the foot if you made it totally pay to post, but its obvious your not doing that.
I full support your plan of wanting to make a living off the internet. Tons of people do it.
I think you may want to think things through REALLY well though. If your making money, your moderators are probably going to want a cut too. Right now, your probably losing or maybe breaking even on the server costs. What happens when your making money, but obviously you can't keep up on moderating by yourself. So your going to keep around the mods you have. But...who would want to work for free when your boss is making money off your work? Are you going to pay them too? Its just a thought. I just reread your other post, and you mention "wages" so maybe you already are though. I think glocktalk is a good site, but I don't really see anything special here, that sets it apart from other gunnut sites.
Look, you may not have meant to come off as condescending, but you certainly nailed it. You know very little about this site's problems or operation and if you cannot understand why what you have to say (Actually, more how you chose to say it) is irritating, I can't help you. As I have said seven or eight times now, if you don't want to pay, don't. As I have also said more times than I can recall at this moment, basic membership here will always be free.
You have shared your opinions on my site here at length, so why don't you go spread your sunshine in some other threads and give this one a rest? Eric
lcarreau
04-19-2007, 10:12
Originally posted by m2hmghb
I'm very willing to pay a bit every month or year. I enjoy this site and it's atmosphere plus I learn a lot.
I would prefer an annual fee myself. If Eric wanted to do a monthly thing, I think I would just pay in advance for a lot of months.
-Lonnie
For the record, this site is worth at least $20 a month for MrsWog and I to participate in. I don't particularly care for adding additional features, as it's a pretty complete experience already. I'm glad you're keeping it free for some folks, as it wouldn't the same without them I'm sure. Besides, I do love picking on Lugoismad, and if you required payment, he'd go away forever! :sad:
Still, we'd gladly pay for the same reason we tip good service at restaurants, excellent haircuts, etc. We want those people to have motivation to stay right where they are and keep providing the service we enjoy. We get a ton out of GlockTalk, much more than any other board either of us have ever participated in. It would be a major bummer if the site someday closed its doors because the admin couldn't juggle it and making his living at the same time.
How about this: We've used online services before that allow you to set up a subscription via paypal. Every month, it silently pulls the cash you specify from the funding source of your choice. Have you looked into that? Screw the extra features for now; if you can arrange a way to regularly donate a small amount, many of us would jump on it.
Originally posted by Taurus_Dude
Yeah, no thanks to you, huh wog?
Hey, I do what I can. :thumbsup:
You're the one who lied like a dog to cover up your multitude of TOS violations, including multiple accounts. I and some others just spotted your actions and reported them. What became/becomes of you was and is between you and the mods. They must have thought that your entertainment value was worth keeping you around. :thumbsup:
That's the last of THAT discussion in this thread, at least for me. Back to the GT love-fest! :banana:
Originally posted by tantrix
Maybe make paid memberships optional, and only the paying members have access to the uncensored content. Users would have the choice of accessing the boards how they are now or if they want the full-blown version they could access the uncensored language and adult-oriented topics.
Sorry, but I don't want to pay for smutty content & profanity, thanks anyway.) :upeyes:
Also by tantrix
(snip)...That would be fantastic and quite a brilliant setup. Anyone offended chose to be, so no repercussions on your end as the Admin. It's the perfect message board actually. :thumbsup:
That's what a bunch of folks thought when they left GT to start "GlocksUnlocked" because they thought Eric's TOS rules were too "strict" and wanted more freedom to "express themselves"...and we all know how THAT site ended!
(Yep, it imploded on itself and GT is still here & thriving...gee what a surprise!!)
Taurus_Dude said:
If I'm paying to post somewhere, you better believe I'm going to be ticked if I can't type the same way I talk. I'm not saying let people post hard core porn, but if someone is paying, and a "****" or "damn" slips in here or there, they shouldn't be chastised like little kids. This is a gun forum after all, and I'm sure the majority of gun owners and enthusiasts are of age.
And being "of age", they should be mature enough to be able to express themselves w/out being vulgar, rude or using profanity to get their point across!
The majority of folks come here because the site IS moderated and is (usually) family friendly. If I wanted to look at "more racy" pictures (which I don't) and cuss a blue streak, then there are other sites that offer those types of services. :upeyes: Fortunately, GT isn't one of them and I really hope that it stays that way...even with the paid tier!!! (Again, GU anyone?!)
As for the mods being paid? I'd do it for free and consider it an honor to be able to help Eric & the site out...AND I'd STILL pay to be a paid member!
I started in Glockworld's "Glockenspiel", which got ruined by trolls so "Alien Glockster" started a new Glock forum (Dang it! I can't remember the name! "The Ultimate Glock Site" or something like that??). It too was ruined when the trolls & folks who wanted the rules to be loosened up a bit started showing up. Then Eric started Glocktalk and has for the most part kept his original TOS. Needless to say, GT has grown and prospered and is the only gun related forum that I belong too!
So, if you want a site that allows for more "adult" (and I use that term loosely) content, then feel free to run your own site the way that you see fit. In the meantime, I'll stick with GT and have my check book ready for my monthly dues! :thumbsup:
B. :wavey:
USDefender
04-19-2007, 15:25
Originally posted by major
If I paid, I would want a little more say-so about some things.
+1
But I seriously doubt I'd ever pay in the first place.
If one of my boards starts charging, I'll simply move on. I've done it before.
For what it's worth, I think Eric runs a good 'ship' & I'm glad to be able to go to a sight that isn't infused with porno and foul language... There are sometimes I have my nieces in the room & I have a new baby on the way.
Call me a 'prude' but IMO, non-gun porn = a no-go on my computer. But please be advised, if you DO call me a 'prude', that I am a well-armed 'prude'. http://smilies.vidahost.com/contrib/blackeye/2ar15smilie.gif
Originally posted by B. Somm
And being "of age", they should be mature enough to be able to express themselves w/out being vulgar, rude or using profanity to get their point across!
The majority of folks come here because the site IS moderated and is (usually) family friendly. If I wanted to look at "more racy" pictures (which I don't) and cuss a blue streak, then there are other sites that offer those types of services. :upeyes: Fortunately, GT isn't one of them and I really hope that it stays that way...even with the paid tier!!! (Again, GU anyone?!)
As for the mods being paid? I'd do it for free and consider it an honor to be able to help Eric & the site out...AND I'd STILL pay to be a paid member!
I started in Glockworld's "Glockenspiel", which got ruined by trolls so "Alien Glockster" started a new Glock forum (Dang it! I can't remember the name! "The Ultimate Glock Site" or something like that??). It too was ruined when the trolls & folks who wanted the rules to be loosened up a bit started showing up. Then Eric started Glocktalk and has for the most part kept his original TOS. Needless to say, GT has grown and prospered and is the only gun related forum that I belong too!
So, if you want a site that allows for more "adult" (and I use that term loosely) content, then feel free to run your own site the way that you see fit. In the meantime, I'll stick with GT and have my check book ready for my monthly dues! :thumbsup:
B. :wavey:
Agreed on all points!
(Except being a mod. NO THANKS! I'd cause too much trouble.)
Originally posted by Ender
one thing i have to say about stickies...just as an aside...
i damn near always overlook them. don't mean to, but i skip down to the "current" threads, and overlook stickies at least 90% of the time. they effectively get LESS attention from me than they would if they weren't stickied.
i'm sure others are bass ackwards of me tho :supergrin:
+1
muscogee
04-19-2007, 20:05
Originally posted by B. Somm
Sorry, but I don't want to pay for smutty content & profanity, thanks anyway.) :upeyes:
And being "of age", they should be mature enough to be able to express themselves w/out being vulgar, rude or using profanity to get their point across!
The majority of folks come here because the site IS moderated and is (usually) family friendly. If I wanted to look at "more racy" pictures (which I don't) and cuss a blue streak, then there are other sites that offer those types of services. :upeyes: Fortunately, GT isn't one of them and I really hope that it stays that way...even with the paid tier!!! (Again, GU anyone?!)
As for the mods being paid? I'd do it for free and consider it an honor to be able to help Eric & the site out...AND I'd STILL pay to be a paid member!
I started in Glockworld's "Glockenspiel", which got ruined by trolls so "Alien Glockster" started a new Glock forum (Dang it! I can't remember the name! "The Ultimate Glock Site" or something like that??). It too was ruined when the trolls & folks who wanted the rules to be loosened up a bit started showing up. Then Eric started Glocktalk and has for the most part kept his original TOS. Needless to say, GT has grown and prospered and is the only gun related forum that I belong too!
So, if you want a site that allows for more "adult" (and I use that term loosely) content, then feel free to run your own site the way that you see fit. In the meantime, I'll stick with GT and have my check book ready for my monthly dues! :thumbsup:
B. :wavey:
Well said!!!
Thanks.
buster55
04-20-2007, 05:00
For Glock Talk absolutely,I have been around here 4 years and mostly read more than post,but it is the cast of characters here that makes it a great place.It is a form of entertainment & a place to kick back and laugh off the troubled world we live in.The crew that runs the site does a great job,I have contributed in the past and would be a dues paying member as soon as Eric sets it up.:thumbsup:
Yes.
The United States isn't a Democracy either. ;)
Peace Warrior
04-20-2007, 08:50
Originally posted by bestseller92
...What do you think?
Tough one, but I'd have to say NO to being required to pay or compelled to pay. This is why I like Glock Talk. The ability and means to give, for the purpose of promoting the site and deferring its operational cost, are supplied without any pressure that I have noticed. The founder(s) and moderators also have ingeniously targeted Forum specific advertising to help offset operational cost.
I also have received first hand information that Eric himself is a generous giver into other people's needs and endeavors; therefore, in the past I have given anonymously, but this year GT has the little contributor pacth thingys for your moniker; so I will give this year under my nom de' plume.
(To Eric: I'll do it just as soon as I get by my current tax crunch! :thumbsup: )
PeterJasonMN
04-20-2007, 09:30
Eric:
Another idea for paid tier (Though if you could establish it early I'd love you long time):
Sometimes you want to send out a PM to several people, but you can only do one at a time. If it could be set that you can send a PM to up to say...5-10 people at a time, that would ROCK.
ROCK I tell you.
Rock you like a hurricane.
I'm not kidding, that'd be super cool.
Oooh, Mr Cool Guy, bragging that he has 5-10 friends.
*runs off, crying*
PeterJasonMN
04-20-2007, 11:04
Originally posted by Critias
Oooh, Mr Cool Guy, bragging that he has 5-10 friends.
*runs off, crying*
:wedgie:
(I also chose 5-10 to reduce spammers sending out mass msgs)
anyplainjoe
04-20-2007, 11:17
I've supported this site before and will continue to do so aslong as I continue to use its services.
Things I like about GlockTalk and am willing to put some money up to make it all happen:
1. No flame wars
2. Factual info and friendly opinion is conveyed
3. Posts/pics harmful to the hobby are stopped.
4. The knowledge able to be gained here is mind boggling.
In the "real" I'm the sales manager for a company which offers internet advertising services, and know there are more costs to running an outfit like GT other than plugging in a PC. I think it's fair to help financially support a service you use.
In the big picture, as gun lovers, I think we're often too cheap with the companies which make our hobby happen. Equipment must be purchased, and services have to be paid for. Stuff costs money. If we don't support it, who will?
George Soros has billions to use to attack us. So does Sarah Brady. So does Nancy Pelosi. And we're too cheap to pony up a little cash?
Anyone who has been here for more than a month should throw $5 in the pot.
Originally posted by Taurus_Dude
Yeah, no thanks to you, huh wog?
Did you ever stop to think its a little strange the moderator I spoke with via email sided with me, let me register a new name, and I'm back to posting? Maybe its because he agreed you were a jerk, and let me register a new name so that you would quit bothering me. But no, you had to be a crafty little twerp, somehow figure out who I was again (I'm assuming because I posted pictures of the same guns I had before) and start sending me threatening Personal Messages.
But I let it go, and didn't report it.
Let it go wog, its getting REALLY old, you posting in all my threads hinting around about reporting me for god knows what.
There IS an ignore feature. Unfortunately, you will have to put up with jerk posts if someone else quotes them. Or, just not read it all... ;)
Originally posted by fludy12
There IS an ignore feature. Unfortunately, you will have to put up with jerk posts if someone else quotes them. Or, just not read it all... ;)
Darn it, why must you quote people on my ignore list? :rofl:
Edited to add: Lugoismad, I *never* threatened you in any way. If you would like me to post a complete history of my messages to you, I'd be happy to do so. You keep accusing me of these rotten, terrible things, yet you are the one who's had threads locked and accounts banned. Funny how that works...
Originally posted by Critias
Oooh, Mr Cool Guy, bragging that he has 5-10 friends.
*runs off, crying*
What's this "friend" thing that everyone keeps talking about? Where do I get one?
NYC Drew
04-20-2007, 15:45
Originally posted by Wog
...Edited to add: Lugoismad...
DAMM.
Originally posted by Wog
Darn it, why must you quote people on my ignore list? :rofl:
Edited to add: Lugoismad, I *never* threatened you in any way. If you would like me to post a complete history of my messages to you, I'd be happy to do so. You keep accusing me of these rotten, terrible things, yet you are the one who's had threads locked and accounts banned. Funny how that works...
Um, I'm not Lugoismad...
NYC Drew
04-20-2007, 15:48
Originally posted by fludy12
Um, I'm not Lugoismad...
I think he meant Tarus Prude.
Originally posted by NYC Drew
I think he meant Tarus Prude.
Ah, I misunderstood. I think that bad blood pre-dates me here...
Originally posted by fludy12
Um, I'm not Lugoismad...
No, that was meant for Taurus_Dude/Lugoismad/Major_Tom. Sorry for the confusion.
And sorry, mods, for hijacking the thread somewhat. :sorry:
02LimitedX
04-20-2007, 18:13
I'd love to support GT with a paid tier system! Eric, when its ready count on me!
JellyBelly
04-20-2007, 21:28
I'm a paid member at ARFCOM. I don't post in their team forum too often, but it's nice to have the BOTD threads. I'd like to see them allowed at GT under ARFCOM-like rules (no nips or lips).
I intend to pay for membership here. Eric, have you any idea how much it'll cost me?
Originally posted by NYC Drew
Fo