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iiibbb
04-16-2007, 08:21
Of course, guns are not allowed on campus, so I don't know how this could have happened.

vafish
04-16-2007, 09:58
I thought only Students weren't allowed to have guns on campus. It's just a school rule that prevents them from carrying and has no effect on non-students.

John Fry
04-16-2007, 14:13
<p>The opinion of the Attorney General Robert McDonnell on University carry in 2006 stated:</p>

<p>"The powers expressly conferred and possessed by the governing body of the educational institution include the authority to establish rules and regulations for the conduct of students... It is my opinion that the safe operation of the campus allows regulation of, or under limited circumstances, prohibition of, firearms by any persons attending events on campus, visiting dormitories or classroom buildings, attending specific events as invitees, or under any circumstance permitted by law...A board of visitors has responsibility for the protection of the students enrolled at their university."</p>

<p>Compare this with what the Virginia courts have said :</p>

<p>“When the legislature delegates authority to an administrative agency to promulgate regulations, those regulations must neither exceed the scope of the authority delegated nor be inconsistent with it. Furthermore, "delegations of legislative power are valid only if they establish specific policies and fix definite standards to guide the official, agency, or board in the exercise of the power. Delegations of legislative power which lack such policies and standards are unconstitutional and void. For example, language in an enabling statute which provides merely "that the regulations be designed to protect and promote the safety and health of employees" is insufficient.” Avalon Assisted Living Facilities, Inc. v. Zager, 39 Va. App. 484, 574 S.E.2d 298 (2002).</P>

<p>"Whereas, laws limiting the right to own and bear arms have never succeeded in deterring crime but have rather served to disarm the public; and Whereas, the horrible tragedy, which befell the Jackson family of Louisa County at the hands of a fiend could well have been prevented had Mr. Jackson had available to him a firearm for self defense; and...that laws cannot prevent tragedies but bad laws can bring on in their train even greater tragedies. " House Joint Resolution No 21. (1964).</p>

DannyR
04-16-2007, 20:55
Most undergrads are under the age of 21 and cannot legally own or purchase a firearm. Many undergrads are overstressed and immature. Most undergrads have access to alcohol. Why should an overstressed, immature, drunken undergrad be permitted access to a possibly unlawful firearm? What happened at Tech is bad for handgun owners across the country. My prayers go out to the families of the victims.

longwatch2k1
04-16-2007, 23:32
Originally posted by DannyR
Most undergrads are under the age of 21 and cannot legally own or purchase a firearm. Many undergrads are overstressed and immature. Most undergrads have access to alcohol. Why should an overstressed, immature, drunken undergrad be permitted access to a possibly unlawful firearm? What happened at Tech is bad for handgun owners across the country. My prayers go out to the families of the victims.
Actually anybody 18 years old can possess a handgun in Virginia, they may even purchase one, just not from a FFL. All adults may have access to alcohol, be overstressed, or immature, so no one should have a firearm if your argument is taken to its conclusion.

dwh79
04-17-2007, 07:36
I hope you virginians stand up and be heard that if they had allowed students to carry firearms on campus then perhaps it could have been ended a lot quicker. The goverment can not protect you. You have to protect yourself the Police only show up in time to take the reports. That is nothing against the Police but it takes time to arrive and when a psyco locks the doors it only impedes the Police more. Everyone leagally able to carry should be able to carry anywhere. It is the criminals you need to worry about not the law abiding citizen.