LWD, Glock, Ghost 3.5# Connector Review [Archive]

kraigster414

04-27-2007, 16:45

Originally posted by Tom in Ohio
I just purchased a Lone Wolf Distributors new 3.5# connector. I bought it to put into a new G26 that I should receive soon. I currently have a G21 with a Ghost 3.5# Rocket. I have also tried a Glock 3.5# connector in my G21. Of the three, I much prefer the trigger pull that the Ghost Rocket provides. Both the Glock and LWD connectors still had the "two stage" feel of the stock connector with noticable stacking. The Ghost was a smooth, consistent (and lighter) pull throughout the trigger's movement.I was hoping to save a little money going with the LWD connector, but now I will send it back in exchange for another Ghost Rocket. YMMV

Each to his own. The feedback on the newly-designed LW 3.5 drop-in connector has been extremely positive. I have tried them all (the drop-in connectors that is) including the drop-in Ghost 3.5 (the Ghost 3.5 Rocket is not a drop-in connector but requires minor alteration to the trigger control tab) and found the LW to be best. On average it delivers the crispest break and results in a trigger that is between a quarter and a half pound lighter than any of the other drop-in 3.5 connector I have tried.

Save money on connectors?? Too important a part and the difference amounts to a few bucks at best. In fact you owe it to yourself to try different makes. Bottom line Tom, go with what you like best. :)

Armed Infidel

04-30-2007, 14:09

I just bought 2 of the new LW 3.5 drop-in connectors, one for my G-23 and one for my G-27. I am very happy with both! :supergrin:

J.P.

04-30-2007, 16:50

Originally posted by kraigster414
Each to his own. The feedback on the newly-designed LW 3.5 drop-in connector has been extremely positive. I have tried them all (the drop-in connectors that is) including the drop-in Ghost 3.5 (the Ghost 3.5 Rocket is not a drop-in connector but requires minor alteration to the trigger control tab) and found the LW to be best.

Interesting.
I've tried both the "old" LWD and the "new" LWD and found neither of them to be "drop-in" parts.
The out of battery tab dragged on the slide on both models causing the gun to fail to go into battery or at least be sluggish.
No good.

BayouSlide

04-30-2007, 17:08

I had the same experience as J.P. with an early version LW 3.5 connector and was less than impressed, but a later revised version they sent me works just great. And the one Charlie Vanek put into the drop-in trigger kit I bought from him a few months back is so good I doubt I'll ever bother fiddling with another Glock OEM 3.5# connector.

Charlie's trigger work is part of the magic, no doubt, but the LW has a much crisper feel overall.

I had dropped a Glock 3.5# into a stock G17 for a recent GSSF match. After struggling for a couple of practice sessions, I found I actually preferred the "less mushy" break of an ordinary Glock 5# connector if you can't use a lighter striker spring and other trigger mods.

As always, YMMV.

kraigster414

05-01-2007, 15:23

Originally posted by J.P.
Interesting.
I've tried both the "old" LWD and the "new" LWD and found neither of them to be "drop-in" parts.
The out of battery tab dragged on the slide on both models causing the gun to fail to go into battery or at least be sluggish.
No good.

You are the first person I have ever heard of having a problem with the new LW 3.5 connector - that it was not completely drop-in and second that the connector "tab" was dragging on the slide. The latter did occur with a certain percentage of earlier design LW 3.5 connectors. Did you contact LWD?

05-01-2007, 18:18

The early LWD connectors had a few complaints (very few) but we took it to heart and made a couple changes. Thank you one and all for your input because once we made the changes we produced a superior connector. You can identify the new style LWD connectors by looking at the side cut relief, it is almost double that of the original.

Unfortunately there is no real way to measure or compare one connector to another. Believe me I would love to throw my hat in that ring if it were scientifically possible to measure one from the other.

No, what we are talking about is how YOU feel YOU like it. The true measure will simply come down to the individual and is COMPLETELY up to his interpretation of what is good and what is "not so good".

I am positive 99% of the shooters out there would love to have the worthless connector JP mentioned. Yes 99% is a true number because we received less than 1% complaints about the early connector. We would like to win them all but truthfully it really is not a goal to shoot for. 99% is a good number to shoot for.

D. Manley

05-01-2007, 21:16

Originally posted by JR
The early LWD connectors had a few complaints (very few) but we took it to heart and made a couple changes. Thank you one and all for your input because once we made the changes we produced a superior connector. You can identify the new style LWD connectors by looking at the side cut relief, it is almost double that of the original.

Unfortunately there is no real way to measure or compare one connector to another. Believe me I would love to throw my hat in that ring if it were scientifically possible to measure one from the other.

No, what we are talking about is how YOU feel YOU like it. The true measure will simply come down to the individual and is COMPLETELY up to his interpretation of what is good and what is "not so good".

I am positive 99% of the shooters out there would love to have the worthless connector JP mentioned. Yes 99% is a true number because we received less than 1% complaints about the early connector. We would like to win them all but truthfully it really is not a goal to shoot for. 99% is a good number to shoot for.

Yep. I'm running the LWD connectors in all my Glocks (all meaning, defensive and range guns) & have installed them in several guns belonging to others. I have not seen a single hitch in any of them and combined with the requisite smoothing of other parts, every other owner was thrilled with the result.

JR is spot-on about being unable to accurately quantify parts comparisons. The difference in "feel" is not only subjective but can vary a surprising amount from gun to gun even with, seemingly identical parts & polish.

J.P.

05-02-2007, 03:37

Originally posted by kraigster414
You are the first person I have ever heard of having a problem with the new LW 3.5 connector - that it was not completely drop-in and second that the connector "tab" was dragging on the slide. The latter did occur with a certain percentage of earlier design LW 3.5 connectors. Did you contact LWD?

Interestingly,I am NOT the first person thaat i have heard of who had this problem....in fact thee is one in a post above this one.
I originally purchased an "old" LWD from a local gunstore where three IDPA pros had the exact connector installed in their guns.
They advised me that it needed to be "ground down" to function properly.
I ignored the advice because it was suppoed to be a "drop-in" part and my gun didn't function properly with it.
I mentioned it here and it turned into a pissing match where a quote was made that 1% of people had problems....well I personally know five....me...three in the gunstore....another guy....so that is a 100% failure rate as far as I'm concerned.
I was told by LWD that the slide dragging was "not a problem".....ummm...okay.....
I also heard on here of the LWD having other issues but cannot remember exactly what they were...mis-fires or doubling, I believe and those were told to be a "1%" problem.

After the "new" LWD connector hit the market,LWD was at the big gunshow selling them and I bought two.
I took them home and both still had slide drag issues....I tried them in five Glocks...2 G22s,2 G17s, and a G19.
I returned them to LWD's booth the next day and explained the problem to which they appeared dismayed.
They promtly returned my money and explained that they had heard of no problems with these "new" connectors but they had with the old ones.The same old ones that "were not a problem"

Charlie Vanek says he uses them now and they are great but he may "tune" them as well by grinding them.
I wouldn't use one as is.

*Before anyone starts in.....
I'm more than competent enough to work on Glocks without damaging parts.

05-02-2007, 10:31

JP: You must be the guy that returned the 2 connectors at the Tulsa gun show last month. I told you at that time you were the first to complain regarding the new and improved connector line. Interesting that when I tried to engage you as to exactly what the problem was you were more than reluctant, in fact you were almost unapproachable. I seriously would have appreciated your insight had you been even remotely cooperative.

When you told me the connector failed in 5 guns I was astonished. What are the odds that the same guy could pick up 2 random connectors and have it fail in 5 guns? You should know I personally tried the connectors in a couple of our guns right there at the show and could not even remotely duplicate the problem. Yes I simply wrote you off as a chronic complainer. Nothing personal but if I cant duplicate the problem and you are uncooperative in explaining, what other conclusion would I come up with?

Bottom line is our connectors have a HUGE following. Too bad your opinion is not included in that crowd.
FYI: We have sold well over 10,000 of these connectors…….received far less than 100 complaints…….that would be less than 1% wouldn’t it?
I also find it hard to believe you and (all) your buddies at the local range make up a very large percentage of this 1%. Interesting indeed.

llathem

05-02-2007, 14:28

Well I reckon I dwell in the 99% category, JR. I love them. I have 3.5 connectors in all 5 of my Glocks. My favorite set-up is a 3.5 LWD connector, 4 lb. Wolff striker spring, and 9mm LWD barrel in my G22. Not for carry, however it's not failed to go bang yet and has the best trigger I've personally felt on a Glock. :thumbsup:

kraigster414

05-02-2007, 15:52

I think there must be bad Karma in Oklahoma. Either that or the dust is affecting the integrity of the metal causing the LW connector to buckle rendering it a fitted part. Note:I am not an metallurgist, I just play one at Glock Talk.

Having used the new LW 3.5 connector now in 5 different Glocks with zero problems (and in each case, the connector was completely drop-in), I am very surprised that one person could continuously experience difficulties. Keep in mind, by this time, I would venture to say that hundreds/thousands of these things have been sold, and from my vantage point the feedback has been overwelmingly positive.

J.P.

05-02-2007, 16:14

Originally posted by JR
JP: You must be the guy that returned the 2 connectors at the Tulsa gun show last month. I told you at that time you were the first to complain regarding the new and improved connector line. Interesting that when I tried to engage you as to exactly what the problem was you were more than reluctant, in fact you were almost unapproachable. I seriously would have appreciated your insight had you been even remotely cooperative.

When you told me the connector failed in 5 guns I was astonished. What are the odds that the same guy could pick up 2 random connectors and have it fail in 5 guns? You should know I personally tried the connectors in a couple of our guns right there at the show and could not even remotely duplicate the problem. Yes I simply wrote you off as a chronic complainer. Nothing personal but if I cant duplicate the problem and you are uncooperative in explaining, what other conclusion would I come up with?

Bottom line is our connectors have a HUGE following. Too bad your opinion is not included in that crowd.
FYI: We have sold well over 10,000 of these connectors…….received far less than 100 complaints…….that would be less than 1% wouldn’t it?
I also find it hard to believe you and (all) your buddies at the local range make up a very large percentage of this 1%. Interesting indeed.

JR,
That is pure unadulterated B.S.
There is simply no other way to put it.

I explained the problem in detail to you right there at the Tulsa show.
I even explained that with the connectors installed that the Glocks failed the "vertical recoil spring test" because they were dragging.
You responded to me that "Yes you were familiar with that test" and you even told me that you were actually the "inventor" of that test.

You seemed very suprised and concerned that I had problems with them and replied that you'd like to see the gun I tried them in.

That's when I told you that I had tried them in 5 different Glocks with the same results.

I was never standoffish or reluctant to explain anything to you...WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT RIGHT THERE.

a conversation,by the way,when you told me that the "slide drag" problem DID EXIST in the "old" connectors but you hadn't heard about it in these "new" ones yet.

You then talked to your partner and said you were setting those connectors aside to test later and you promptly returned my money and then we stood there and talked about those Advantage Tactical sights you had on display....you even answered some questions I had about them.(as well as some other items you had for sale)

You were extremely cordial during the initial sale,the return, and in answering my questions about the AT sights,Barrels,and MGW sight pushers.

And now you try to impugn my credibility by suggesting that "my buddies" comprise the 1%

The guys at the pro shop WARNED me about the "old" LWD connector that I bought because they all had to grind theirs down to make them work properly.....as i mentioned in the above post.
They had not yet tried the "new" LWD connector because it wasn't on the market at that point.

Now you are suggesting that I am either a "chronic complainer" or that I'm lying, or that I do not know what I'm doing.

Given the problems I and others had with the "old" LWD connectors, I wouldn't have even bothered trying the "new" ones at the gunshow but I was excited to try them since I read here that the "bugs" had been worked out........bugs you claimed weren't a problem with the "old" connectors (yet now we find out that they were.

So....even though I had bad luck with the "old" connectors and dealt with you double charging my credit card without consent on an order that I never received about two years ago**...I was still very willing to give the "new" connectors a whirl and bought them directly from you at the show.

Now you have outright lied about our dealings and conversation at the gunshow to paint me in a less than credible light in order to protect your reputation.
Very unprofessional,JR

I'm not particularly interested in continuing to lock horns with you but if you continue to spew B.S. and lies about our dealings,I will certainly accomadate you.

You obviously have a very loyal following here on GT and that must be great for your business.I'm not out to destroy your business and I do not work for any of your competitors but I will report my findings when asked.
I tell the truth.

**After giving my opinion of LWD in threads where people solicited them,JR finally sent the parts I ordered but never received.
I feel it was in an effort to just hush me up because whenever asked by forum members,I simply relayed my less than positive experiences with them.
I feel it could have been solved easier than that if they would have simply sent my $9 (including shipping) worth of parts.

J.P.

05-02-2007, 16:26

Originally posted by kraigster414
I think there must be bad Karma in Oklahoma. Either that or the dust is affecting the integrity of the metal causing the LW connector to buckle rendering it a fitted part. Note:I am not an metallurgist, I just play one at Glock Talk.

Having used the new LW 3.5 connector now in 5 different Glocks with zero problems (and in each case, the connector was completely drop-in), I am very surprised that one person could continuously experience difficulties. Keep in mind, by this time, I would venture to say that hundreds/thousands of these things have been sold, and from my vantage point the feedback has been overwelmingly positive.

Again,several of us had problems with the "old" LWD connectors.
I reported it here and it turned into a pissing match,IIRC.
I was the only one I know that had problems with 2 of the "new" connectors.Just to make sure....I tried both of them in 5 Glocks before returning them to JR and discussing the problem with him (which he is now denying)

kraigster414

05-02-2007, 16:34

I love this site! :hearts:

J.P.

05-02-2007, 17:01

Originally posted by kraigster414
I love this site! :hearts:

Me too,it's a great resource to find varying opinions.

llathem

05-03-2007, 19:05

J.P.

05-05-2007, 10:11

Originally posted by kraigster414
I think there must be bad Karma in Oklahoma. Either that or the dust is affecting the integrity of the metal causing the LW connector to buckle rendering it a fitted part. Note:I am not an metallurgist, I just play one at Glock Talk.

Having used the new LW 3.5 connector now in 5 different Glocks with zero problems (and in each case, the connector was completely drop-in), I am very surprised that one person could continuously experience difficulties. Keep in mind, by this time, I would venture to say that hundreds/thousands of these things have been sold, and from my vantage point the feedback has been overwelmingly positive.

Bad Karma?
Naw...we're a prety decent bunch out here. ;)

You've tried them in five glocks and I tried two in five Glocks we each got different results.
that certainly doesn't mean I'm not telling the truth.
In fact,as far as I know,there is only one person in this thread who isn't telling the truth......

kraigster414

05-05-2007, 10:20

Originally posted by J.P.
Bad Karma?
Naw...we're a prety decent bunch out here. ;)

You've tried them in five glocks and I tried two in five Glocks we each got different results.
that certainly doesn't mean I'm not telling the truth.
In fact,as far as I know,there is only one person in this thread who isn't telling the truth......

Just keep the locusts away from your guns J.P. I swear they're nibbling on your connectors. Something right out of the "Grapes of Wrath."

If you say you've had problems, I believe you've had problems.:) But I've just put another 100 rounds through my G27 (converted to .357 Sig) with a LW 3.5 connector installed, and it performed as usual perfectly (then again, nothing is perfect, change that to "just fine").

Arc Angel

05-05-2007, 11:22

:upeyes: So, just out of curiosity.

(1) What is the generation breakdown among the 5 Glocks that these 2 LWD connectors didn't work in? Do these pistols range from, say, 1st to 3rd generation?

(2) Whose connectors are installed in these 5 Glocks now?

(3) If you randomly swapped connectors among these 5 Glocks, now, would you experience a similar problem?

And, for JR @ LWD:

(4) Have you had a chance to test these two mystery connectors yet? I, for one, would certainly like to know the result(s)?

I'm sorry; but, 2 connectors and 5 Glocks just doesn't sound right; and, yes, I'm one of the people who had problems with the old LWD connector. The new ones have been flawless, though.

I'm, also, open-minded enough to recognize that everybody who manufactures connectors - including the Glock factory - has turned out a few problem units. You don't have to read this board for years in order to discover that every manufacturer has had its share of faulty out-of-specification connectors. I, myself, had a Glock factory connector that turned my pistol into an amazingly exciting (and completely unpredictable) handgun. :)

J.P. If you know Glocks as well as you say you do, then, how about stopping with the crybaby routine? According to you, you're knowledgeable enough to know that nobody's connectors are perfect - It's a tricky part to mass produce with 100% accuracy. JR gave you your money back, so why all the sniveling? Smart guy that you are, you must realize that the same thing could happen to you again with anybody else's connector that you buy - including the factory!

:headscratch: I just don't get where you're coming from?

llathem

05-05-2007, 11:35

Originally posted by kraigster414

CAUTION! You have entered an internet gun forum. Apply a liberal amount of BS repellent to skin before reading anything by anybody.

Good advice, Sir.

llathem

05-05-2007, 11:42

Originally posted by Arc Angel

And, for JR @ LWD:
Have you had a chance to test these two mystery connectors yet? I, for one, would certainly like to know the result(s)?

Originally posted by JR
JP: You should know I personally tried the connectors in a couple of our guns right there at the show and could not even remotely duplicate the problem.

kraigster414

05-05-2007, 12:12

I don't know Illa but those flapping wings on his angel are giving me a headache.

llathem

05-05-2007, 12:23

Originally posted by kraigster414
I don't know Illa but those flapping wings on his angel are giving me a headache.

Sir, are you out of repellant? If so give me a holler and I'll send you some free of charge. :supergrin:

J.P.

05-05-2007, 12:37

Originally posted by Arc Angel
:upeyes: So, just out of curiosity.

(1) What is the generation breakdown among the 5 Glocks that these 2 LWD connectors didn't work in? Do these pistols range from, say, 1st to 3rd generation?

(2) Whose connectors are installed in these 5 Glocks now?

(3) If you randomly swapped connectors among these 5 Glocks, now, would you experience a similar problem?

I'm, also, open-minded enough to recognize that everybody who manufactures connectors - including the Glock factory - has turned out a few problem units. You don't have to read this board for years in order to discover that every manufacturer has had its share of faulty out-of-specification connectors. I, myself, had a Glock factory connector that turned my pistol into an amazingly exciting (and completely unpredictable) handgun. :)

J.P. If you know Glocks as well as you say you do, then, how about stopping with the crybaby routine? According to you, you're knowledgeable enough to know that nobody's connectors are perfect - It's a tricky part to mass produce with 100% accuracy. JR gave you your money back, so why all the sniveling? Smart guy that you are, you must realize that the same thing could happen to you again with anybody else's connector that you buy - including the factory!

:headscratch: I just don't get where you're coming from?

1)2nd Generation G22,3rd Generation G22, 2nd Generation G17, 3rd Generation G17, 3rd Generation G19

2) OEM

3) No. Obviously not or i wouldn't have an issue with those particular LWD connectors.

I've had problems with scherer and Ghost connectors as well but even though EVERYONE can turn out lemons,including Glock,i've never had issues with their 3.5# connectors and i've used a lot of them.

JR did give me my money back and if you'll notice I didn't rush to the internet to tell my story right after it happened.
In this thread which is a review of several connectors,I gave my impression of the LWD connector.
Someone disagreed so I stated my case.
Then JR came on here and lied about our dealings.
now apparently the LWD fanboys are upset because I called him on it.

LWD is probably the largest resource of Glock and aftermarket parts available,so I would only be cheating myself by running them down for no reason.
Unfortunately,my story is true and since JR wanted to lie about the situation, I will no longer do business with them.

BTW,the actual trigger pull on the "new" LWD connector was very good...it just didn't work correctly.

kraigster414

05-05-2007, 12:48

Originally posted by llathem
Sir, are you out of repellant? If so give me a holler and I'll send you some free of charge. :supergrin:

You better send me a gallon and make it quick d--n it! :banana: (Thanks)

I guess another good reason to try an XD. You don't have to worry about connectors. :hugs: Wars have started over these things. I'm so confused now I put my OEM 3.5 connector back in.

J.P.

05-05-2007, 13:09

Hey, as I stated,I wanted the "new" LWD connector enough to buy a couple of them even though I had less than desireable experiences with LWD in the past.
I'm not one to hold a grudge....well okay I am....but not forever.
A few friends of mine bought the same "new" LWD connectors at the same gun show but I haven't heard any reports from them yet as to the performance.
I will find out and report back.I don't think they've had the problems I've desrcibed...or maybe they didn't notice it.

I'd appreciate it if you guys would give me a fair chance and quit calling "BS repellant" on me.
I think by now I should have more than enough credibility on this forum to be taken seriously.

I am upset that JR would post what he did about our dealings.

kraigster414

05-05-2007, 14:31

Originally posted by J.P.
Hey, as I stated,I wanted the "new" LWD connector enough to buy a couple of them even though I had less than desireable experiences with LWD in the past.
I'm not one to hold a grudge....well okay I am....but not forever.
A few friends of mine bought the same "new" LWD connectors at the same gun show but I haven't heard any reports from them yet as to the performance.
I will find out and report back.I don't think they've had the problems I've desrcibed...or maybe they didn't notice it.

I'd appreciate it if you guys would give me a fair chance and quit calling "BS repellant" on me.
I think by now I should have more than enough credibility on this forum to be taken seriously.

I am upset that JR would post what he did about our dealings.

JP, relax. The BS repellent is not directed at you personally but at the internet in general and its legions of fans that flock to their keyboards to publicize their opinions, needs, and wants. I believe you had a problem with the LW connector however I can't speak to what transpired between you and JR at the show. I wasn't there nor was anyone else.

In my own way, I have been trying to diffuse the rancor by injecting an element of humor. I chalk this all up to a misunderstanding between the two you and hope things can get resolved amicably. I have read worse at GT but you know what? In the end, I have seen the parties shake hands.

J.P.

05-05-2007, 17:30

Originally posted by kraigster414
JP, relax. The BS repellent is not directed at you personally but at the internet in general and its legions of fans that flock to their keyboards to publicize their opinions, needs, and wants. I believe you had a problem with the LW connector however I can't speak to what transpired between you and JR at the show. I wasn't there nor was anyone else.

In my own way, I have been trying to diffuse the rancor by injecting an element of humor. I chalk this all up to a misunderstanding between the two you and hope things can get resolved amicably. I have read worse at GT but you know what? In the end, I have seen the parties shake hands.

Understood.
The thing I don't understand is why a he would lie about a situation rather than just simply explaining what really happened or just state that they tested the defective products and found nothing wrong with them.
The character assination is totally uncalled for,IMO.Perhaps he holds a grudge over our past dealings...a grudge I put aside when I bought the "new" connectors and considered buying the Advantage Tactical sights from them.
Now he has lost a customer and I have lost a vendor.

Of course LWD has very loyal following here on GT so I fully expect those people to flame me with impugnity for reporting anything remotely negative.
That's why I get comments like this:
"J.P. If you know Glocks as well as you say you do, then, how about stopping with the crybaby routine? According to you, you're knowledgeable enough to know that nobody's connectors are perfect - It's a tricky part to mass produce with 100% accuracy. JR gave you your money back, so why all the sniveling? Smart guy that you are, you must realize that the same thing could happen to you again with anybody else's connector that you buy - including the factory! "

I had already stated in this thread that JR was very cordial (As was I)during the sale,return,and very helpful with my other inquiries about the products they were selling.
I even tried to keep the problem low key at the gun show since there were other potential customers hanging around the booth.
I am just simply taken aback that JR would be so nice about everything at the gun show and then turn around an lie about it here on GT.
I was a little suprised that they didn't try out the defective connectors in their guns while I was still standing at their booth rather than just simply setting them aside to try later.
JR said in this thread that they did in fact try them out in their guns at the show and couldn't duplicate the problem.
They certainly didn't offer to do that while I was still discussing it with them.

kraigster414

05-05-2007, 19:14

J.P, I have feeling this is going to come to a positive resolution. I can't comment on what was said or was not said between you and JR but as far as the response you got from another poster, it would not have been my choice of wording. I like so many others at GT come to learn, share a laugh and if I'm lucky, make a friend or two. I experience enough drama in my 9 to 5.

I hope an olive branch can be thrown out. Hey! It's time to go reload some .357 Sig! Later, :)

J.P.

05-05-2007, 19:39

Originally posted by kraigster414
J.P, I have feeling this is going to come to a positive resolution. I can't comment on what was said or was not said between you and JR but as far as the response you got from another poster, it would not have been my choice of wording. I like so many others at GT come to learn, share a laugh and if I'm lucky, make a friend or two. I experience enough drama in my 9 to 5.

I hope an olive branch can be thrown out. Hey! It's time to go reload some .357 Sig! Later, :)

I'll try to remain optimistic.;)

As to a review of aftermarket 3.5# connectors I've tried......

Ghost:
It felt a little heavier than OEM and didn't offer any significant improvement in 'crispness'.

Ghost Rocket:
Same as above but also I didn't like the way the overtravel stop felt when compared to the set screw type because it seemed to cause the connector to flex.

OEM:
Tried and true always produce a lighter pull but they tend to feel 'mushier' than the 5# version which I believe is the reason we seek aftermarket alternatives in the fist place.

Scherer:
I orderd one from LWD and it was defective right out of the package so I didn't get to give it an honset evaluation.
There was a burr on the bearing surface that wouldn't polish out.

LWD:
The "old" one offered a decent pull that was maybe slightly more crisp than the OEM but it had major slide drag problems.
The "new" one felt nice and light and had a slightly snappier break than OEM but it had the same drag problems only not nearly as pronounced.
Interestingly,the best of the LWD connectors I've tried was the "old" one that had been ground down to fit the gun properly.
as I stated earlier,several guys at the pro-shop had them installed in their guns and they seemed to have a better reset than the OEM.

I might be interested in giving the Scherer another shot because I've heard great things about them.Obviously the one I got was a lemon.
Everyone says they are very crisp compared to the OEM connectors.

kraigster414

05-05-2007, 19:43

Stay optimistic. I'm feelin' good about this.

Arc Angel

05-05-2007, 20:32

:shocked: What are we becoming - politically correct? I’m starting to feel nauseous. You’re laying it on kind’ a thick ain’t ya, Kraigster! If this thread becomes anymore maudlin, you guys are going to have to get together for some touchy-feely group therapy and one-on-one sensitivity counseling.

Kraigster, If you’re open to a helpful suggestion, stop taking yourself sooo … seriously. Believe it, or not, there are other opinions on this board besides your own visions of, ‘peace, love, and understanding’. :freak:

llathem, thanks for the input; but I’m, at least, as literate as you are and don’t need you to read the thread for me. I wasn’t talking about playing with the connectors at the show. I want to know what the other people at the shop – the ones with the calipers - found out when JR got home?

This crybaby thing must be contagious! Enough already. :crying:

kraigster414

05-05-2007, 20:55

Arc, read your post above again and tell me who is taking this too seriously. If anything I was trying to put a positive on things. That's the way I am (getting mellower in my old age) and if you don't like it, frankly I don't give a rat's behind. You post your way and I'll post mine. This is just a lousy little gun forum so relax.

J.P.

05-05-2007, 20:59

Originally posted by kraigster414
This is just a lousy little gun forum so relax.

I don't think it's so lousy.
:banana:

kraigster414

05-05-2007, 21:12

Originally posted by J.P.
I don't think it's so lousy.
:banana:

No, not literally. It's a GREAT gun forum but in the large scheme of things...well, you get my drift. Certainly not to be taken too seriously or get all worked up over.

llathem

05-05-2007, 21:35

My BS repellant remark was directed at kraigster and at him only in an attempt to "lighten" things up a bit on this thread, no other purpose or person. It's only the internet. Life's too short.

Sounds like a misunderstanding more than anything, to me. I don't know since I wasn't there. "Optimistic", yeah, that sounds good.

Hey, I'm just tickled to death to be here. I got a new barrel on the way for my G20c, can't wait to get my hands on it. Glocks are great. Life is good...

kraigster, one gallon extra strength BS repellant is enroute. (you're welcome) Just another feeble attempt at humor guys. ;)

kraigster414

05-06-2007, 08:09

Originally posted by llathem
My BS repellant remark was directed at kraigster and at him only in an attempt to "lighten" things up a bit on this thread, no other purpose or person. It's only the internet. Life's too short.

Sounds like a misunderstanding more than anything, to me. I don't know since I wasn't there. "Optimistic", yeah, that sounds good.

Hey, I'm just tickled to death to be here. I got a new barrel on the way for my G20c, can't wait to get my hands on it. Glocks are great. Life is good...

kraigster, one gallon extra strength BS repellant is enroute. (you're welcome) Just another feeble attempt at humor guys. ;)

You got the right attitude Lla. That's what it's all about. 'Waitin' on that gallon. Maybe you should make that TWO gallons. :thumbsup:

jb45colt

05-06-2007, 08:33

I have just bought LWD connector, from a gunshow. I found it also rubbing on the slide. After racking the slide a couple times, i notice it had a hard time going in to battery. This was with a stock recoil spring. With the 13# spring it would not go in battery at all.

After disassembly, I notice the slide had rubbed a big gash in the tab. This is not a drop in part. I remove the LWD Connector, and replace it with the Ghost Ultimate 3.5, problem went away.

J.P.

05-06-2007, 08:43

kraigster414

05-06-2007, 08:46

Originally posted by jb45colt
I have just bought LWD connector, from a gunshow. I found it also rubbing on the slide. After racking the slide a couple times, i notice it had a hard time going in to battery. This was with a stock recoil spring. With the 13# spring it would not go in battery at all.

After disassembly, I notice the slide had rubbed a big gash in the tab. This is not a drop in part. I remove the LWD Connector, and replace it with the Ghost Ultimate 3.5, problem went away.

JB, I had the identical problem with a Scherer 3.5 connector. My other Scherers over the years have been fine. This validates what others have said - even within the same manufacturer, specs can differ - I wouldn't necessarily give up on the first try. Lately, I have had good luck with both the Ghost and the Lone Wolf though the Lone Wolf gives me a slightly lighter break so it has become my "connector of choice." In my G27, I use the Wolf non-captured recoil spring assembly with the Wolf-factory rated 16 pound spring. In my G23, I used the OEM captured recoil spring assembly. I can't recall now what gun the bad Scherer was in.

jb45colt

05-06-2007, 08:46

Yes it was. JP.

jb45colt

05-06-2007, 08:52

Originally posted by kraigster414
JB, I had the identical problem with a Scherer 3.5 connector. My other Scherers over the years have been fine. This validates what others have said - even within the same manufacturer, specs can differ - I wouldn't necessarily give up on the first try. Lately, I have had good luck with both the Ghost and the Lone Wolf though the Lone Wolf gives me a slightly lighter break so it has become my "connector of choice." In my G27, I use the Wolf non-captured recoil spring assembly with the Wolf-factory rated 16 pound spring. In my G23, I used the OEM captured recoil spring assembly.

So what you are saying, I need to a couple of more LWD connectors, to find one that will work right.

kraigster414

05-06-2007, 08:56

Originally posted by jb45colt
So what you are saying, I need to a couple of more LWD connectors, to find one that will work right.

That's up to you. If you are satisfied with what you have, I'd say no (there is not a tremendous difference between any of these drop-in connectors). Keep in mind though, LW has a no-hassle return policy and for the price of a first class stamp, you can return it if it doesn't work, get a replacement or ask for your money back. 'Just trying to help you out.

J.P.

05-06-2007, 09:05

Originally posted by kraigster414
(there is not a tremendous difference between any of these drop-in connectors).

Can we please refrain from erroneously refering to these parts as "drop-in"?

:supergrin:

kraigster414

05-06-2007, 09:06

Originally posted by J.P.
Can we please refrain from erroneously refering to these parts as "drop-in"?

:supergrin:

In your case, yes.:supergrin:

llathem

05-06-2007, 12:30

Originally posted by kraigster414
In your case, yes.:supergrin:

I hate to chime in here but, in my case all my 3.5 connectors have been drop in. Simply remove the one that's currently in the pistol and replace it with the 3.5. This is with the Scherer and LWD's.

kraigster414

05-06-2007, 12:33

Originally posted by llathem
I hate to chime in here but, in my case all my 3.5 connectors have been drop in. Simply remove the one that's currently in the pistol and replace it with the 3.5. This is with the Scherer and LWD's.

'Been my experience pretty much as well.

llathem

05-06-2007, 21:14

Kraigster414,
Per your request for an additional gallon of extra strength BS repellant, sorry but I could only ship one gallon at this time. I placed an order for a gross of the product last week however it's currently on backorder (apparently this is due to shortage of one of the critical components, and a sudden increase in demand for the product). The maker, BSR, inc. tells me they should ship my order NLT 5/15/07. I will overnight your second gallon as soon as my new shipment arrives.

Sorry for the delay.

Regards,
llathem
:supergrin:

J.P.

05-06-2007, 21:53

llathem

05-07-2007, 08:53

Originally posted by J.P.
Mine all physically "dropped in" but didn't fit properly causing the gun to function improperly.
Thereby making them not truly "drop-in"

Sir,
Is that the case with any 3.5 connector in your Glocks, or just the LWD's? OEM connectors, how do they function? Have you tried Glock's 3.5?
Like I said earlier the Scherer's and LWD's simply drop in mine. No problems. I hate it that you had a problem, truly.
Have you taken a look at it with an orange slide cover plate in place? Or maybe changed out the trigger housing?

Take care...

J.P.

05-07-2007, 16:43

Originally posted by llathem
Sir,
Is that the case with any 3.5 connector in your Glocks, or just the LWD's? OEM connectors, how do they function? Have you tried Glock's 3.5?
Like I said earlier the Scherer's and LWD's simply drop in mine. No problems. I hate it that you had a problem, truly.
Have you taken a look at it with an orange slide cover plate in place? Or maybe changed out the trigger housing?

Take care...

I really don't know how to make this any clearer than I already have in this thread.....

The LWD ("new" and "old") anre the only connectors I've had the slide drag issues with.
I tried the two "new" ones in five different Glocks with the same results.

If you look about 22 posts up,I reviewd several 3.5# connectors.

llathem

05-07-2007, 18:13

Originally posted by J.P.

If you look about 22 posts up,I reviewd several 3.5# connectors.

Guess this is what I get for trying to be cordial. Forget I mentioned it. Just call me lazy. Oh, it appears you may already have, Sir...

Have a nice day. :)

J.P.

05-07-2007, 19:22

Originally posted by llathem
Guess this is what I get for trying to be cordial. Forget I mentioned it. Just call me lazy. Oh, it appears you may already have, Sir...

Have a nice day. :)

sorry if you took it personally...I'm just frustrated with the situation.
Cheers!

llathem

05-07-2007, 19:38

Originally posted by J.P.
sorry if you took it personally...I'm just frustrated with the situation.
Cheers!

I didn't take it personal. Water off the duck's back. You know what they say about the old duck? He don't give a quack. :banana:

RRTX2007

05-09-2007, 17:16

Originally posted by J.P.
[B]dealt with you double charging my credit card without consent on an order

Funny thing, unrelated to this "pissing match". I was also double-charged on my first order with Lone Wolf Dist. Fortunately I caught it and called them to have it credited back. Maybe you guys need new software, new employees, etc? Other than that, they have been very cordial and no other complaints. Just strange to hear that they are serial double-chargers...:shocked:

kraigster414

05-09-2007, 17:35

Originally posted by RRTX2007
Funny thing, unrelated to this "pissing match". I was also double-charged on my first order with Lone Wolf Dist. Fortunately I caught it and called them to have it credited back. Maybe you guys need new software, new employees, etc? Other than that, they have been very cordial and no other complaints. Just strange to hear that they are serial double-chargers...:shocked:

I guess they (LW) are just human like the rest of us. They make mistakes. :upeyes:

05-09-2007, 20:31

Well hello everybody I am back from the coast catching oysters & clams. Looks like I missed a lot of posts during my absence but will do my best to catch up.

JP: Maybe I have parts of our meeting at Tulsa mixed up with some of the other 10,000 customers I talked with. If there is some discrepancy in my last statement according to your recollection then I prefer to refer to it as a disagreement not a lie. It seems neither of us took notes or possessed a recorder so we both could be guilty of a miss quote. I do find we both agree this much is true:

You mentioned you were a GT member but would not provide the handle, you identified yourself by first name only.
You have a bunch of friends and a bunch of guns that Lone Wolf parts fail in EVERYTIME….. Oh yeah, and you all use the same range.
I told you we would isolate the connectors you purchased and try them in our guns. You did not request to be present during this time nor request we perform the test immediately. Yes the connectors worked in our guns at the show.

No offence but I simply dismissed you as a chronic complainer. What other conclusion could I come up with? I based my call on the following evidence:
You withheld your GT handle and name (possible indication of bad water between us), all our parts were bad, all your friends think we have bad parts (you lack the ability to provide your own conclusions), The recoil spring test is inconclusive. FYI: The recoil spring test you use to prove the LWD connectors fail was DISPOSED of by Mr. Frank DiNuzzo (Glock Inc Chief Armorer retired) and extensively covered in our book "The Complete Glock Reference Guide". Frank puts it this way, "This test has **** caned more useful parts than any other bogus test ever compiled!"

Are you complaining Lone Wolf has done nothing but screw you?
1 You purchased parts you are not satisfied with and we have the nerve to refund your money?
2 You accidentally were double charged for an order and once again we refunded your money?
3 You placed an order a year + ago. We delivered the package and included proof of a TRACKING NUMBER when you called us regarding the missing package. You used this forum (GT) and complained for a additional year that we screwed you by failure of delivery. After a year of your pissin & moaning I agreed to re-ship the "lost package that was actually tracked to your mail box" just to SHUT YOU UP! Now when I call you to confirm the actual parts to be shipped, you inform me the original gun was sold and would I be so kind as to UPGRADE the parts to fit the current gun in your possession. So I DID EXACTLY AS YOU REQUESTED and once again you continue to slam Lone Wolf OVER & OVER & OVER AGAIN?

Is this you? Are you this same guy? Are you really totally dissatisfied with our parts and services. If so, please by all means forward your name and zip code and I will remove you from our customer list. I will look into your account and refund every dollar you have ever spent with us. If this offer is not good enough please by all means inform me to what is acceptable in your eyes.

Regarding Double Charges: Chronic is hardly a word I would use here. There was one week (last month) where several (but less than 10) cards were double charged because of a glitch between the credit card clearing house and some new installed soft ware programs we were forced to upgrade to. Our new Lone Wolf accountant caught the mistake and had the refunds back by the end of the same week. Yes your credit card company may have delayed actual payment to your card an additional week but we had the deposits back within the very same week the mistake happened. There were a few customers that were penalized by their card holders or banks and we picked up 100% of the back charges in these cases.
This is not a case of "if" there is a problem because problems will always occur (see space shuttle). Its a matter of "how" the problem is resolved. We prefer to resolve them quickly and efficiently. FYI: Serial double charges have their card charging privileges revoked. Lone Wolf carries an A+ rating.

J.P.

05-09-2007, 23:05

Originally posted by JR
You mentioned you were a GT member but would not provide the handle, you identified yourself by first name only.
J.P. = J.P. and I never even told you my name at all....not me screen name...not my real name.
You are confused with someone else apparently.

Originally posted by JR
You have a bunch of friends and a bunch of guns that Lone Wolf parts fail in EVERYTIME….. Oh yeah, and you all use the same range..
I said that the "old" connectors all had slide drag problems in every gun they were installed in in the shop and they even ewarned me that they had to be ground down to function properly.i bought it anyway just to try it.they were right,and i reported it here...this was before the "new" connector was available as I stated.

Originally posted by JR
I told you we would isolate the connectors you purchased and try them in our guns. You did not request to be present during this time nor request we perform the test immediately. Yes the connectors worked in our guns at the show...
I had no interest in you hashing the issue out at the show because I already knew they didn't work in my guns.You did say you'd set them aside and try them later.....i have no issue with that,there was obviously a misuderstanding on this particular issue.

Originally posted by JR
No offence but I simply dismissed you as a chronic complainer. What other conclusion could I come up with? I based my call on the following evidence:
You withheld your GT handle and name (possible indication of bad water between us), all our parts were bad, all your friends think we have bad parts (you lack the ability to provide your own conclusions), The recoil spring test is inconclusive. FYI: The recoil spring test you use to prove the LWD connectors fail was DISPOSED of by Mr. Frank DiNuzzo (Glock Inc Chief Armorer retired) and extensively covered in our book "The Complete Glock Reference Guide". Frank puts it this way, "This test has **** caned more useful parts than any other bogus test ever compiled!"...
-You didn't ask my name and I'm not even sure the GT word even came up at the show between you and I...I think you are confused with someone else.
-I've never tried a LWD connector that worked smoothly as a drop-in part
-The guys at the gunshop all had problems with the "old" connectors.Yes.
-I certainly am capable of drawing my own conclusions based on my firsthand experience with the parts.
-Recoil spring test:
You said you invented that test,but if it has been debunked..whatever.
Anything that rubs the slide with enough force to prevent the slide from going into battery is certainly not any kind of added benefit.

Originally posted by JR
Are you complaining Lone Wolf has done nothing but screw you?
1 You purchased parts you are not satisfied with and we have the nerve to refund your money?
2 You accidentally were double charged for an order and once again we refunded your money?
3 You placed an order a year + ago. We delivered the package and included proof of a TRACKING NUMBER when you called us regarding the missing package. You used this forum (GT) and complained for a additional year that we screwed you by failure of delivery. After a year of your pissin & moaning I agreed to re-ship the "lost package that was actually tracked to your mail box" just to SHUT YOU UP! Now when I call you to confirm the actual parts to be shipped, you inform me the original gun was sold and would I be so kind as to UPGRADE the parts to fit the current gun in your possession. So I DID EXACTLY AS YOU REQUESTED and once again you continue to slam Lone Wolf OVER & OVER & OVER AGAIN?
No,I shared my honest experiences with LWD/parts.
1)you did refund my money on the new connectors as I stated originally (and subsequently) and were very cordial about it...I never said otherwise.
2)I didn't receive my order and called to ask about it.
I was told that it would be sent out again...no sweat...only when I checked my bank,it was charged again.
I called to ask why and was directly told..(I hate to screw up this quote) "We cannot ship it out with a zero balance"...huh?
I never authorized anyone to charge my credit card for the re-shipping of the parts I never received in the first place...nor was I told beforehand that I would be charged again.
3)After I told the story,you finally offered that if I placed future orders with LWD you would make it a pleasant experience and something to the effect of "I'd get a special deal" (not exact quote but you get the gist)
I stated to you that I would simply like my parts!
You said to email you with a link to the thread about it which I did.
After you assured me that the parts would arrive tis time,i aked if you could go ahead and change the G19 spring for a G17 spring.
I guess I didn't realize that this was a huge UPGRADE discrepancy..do I owe you the difference? I thought they were the same price.
This is a thread about connectors and I reported my experience with them.Do you want me to lie about it and say that "all LWD connectors worked great" when they didn't?

Originally posted by JR
Is this you? Are you this same guy? Are you really totally dissatisfied with our parts and services. If so, please by all means forward your name and zip code and I will remove you from our customer list. I will look into your account and refund every dollar you have ever spent with us. If this offer is not good enough please by all means inform me to what is acceptable in your eyes.
I don't know if it is me or not because earlier in this post you obviously had me confused with someone else.
Yes,I am totally dissatisfied with the connectors.
I am also dissatisfied with your mischaracterization.
I have no future plans to be a customer at this point and I don't receive any literature from you anyway.
Whay would you want to refund the money for the parts that *did* work? I thought we were even in that regard (unless there is a price difference in the two recoil springs)
What is acceptable to me is that you not try to mischaracterize me and get bent out of shape when I report a dissenting opinion of what I have found to be an inferior product.

llathem

05-10-2007, 08:50

Originally posted by RRTX2007
Funny thing, unrelated to this "pissing match". :shocked: Time to break out the "repellant", again. :upeyes:

Originally posted by J.P.
Yes,I am totally dissatisfied with the connectors.
Tell you what, I'll send you 2 of my Scherer 3.5 connectors free of charge if that will help resolve this. Or you pick the one you want, I'll buy 2 of those and have them shipped to you.:thumbsup:

BayouSlide

05-10-2007, 10:04

Not to further fan flames, but merely for the sake of a little balance here from a completely satisfied customer, I'd like to say that LWD is my main "go to" source for Glock parts. I consider them an AAA-list vendor and they've always done right by me.

In fact, I'm ready to order two more LWD connectors today :thumbsup:

In particular, I really appreciate LWD's shipping options, which actually make small orders for inexpensive parts economically feasible. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I get the same great service for $10 orders as $100 orders

05-10-2007, 14:16

JP: It is not my intention to drag this conversation out any further. All I wanted out of this exchange is to make sure LWD makes a clean break with you. I can only assume you are satisfied with the parts you currently have in your possession and you have received 100% refunds for any parts you have rejected. In other words we do not owe you anything (whatsoever).

I do my absolute best to help every customer. Every now and then I have to help a customer "out the door". I am more than willing to issue you a refund for everything you ever purchased because I refuse to be indebted to you for any reason.

You could have stopped any implied mischaracterizations by simply providing a NAME but still you prefer to remain anonymous.

kraigster414

05-10-2007, 14:46

J.P. (not JR), give it up already. You have beat this horse to a pulp and frankly at this late juncture nobody cares. I say that as someone who tried to diffuse the early rancor in this thread (on your behalf) but now, even I have grown weary.

I remain satisfied with LW, they have never let me down, they stand by their products, and I would not hesitate to recommend them to anyone looking for a quality Glock after-market part, connector or otherwise.

RRTX2007

05-10-2007, 16:28

Yeah, let's put this one to bed. Just wanted to say that I have just spent another :shocked: $300+ with Lonewolf and have been very happy with them, even after the initial double-charge (which has now been explained). I'll keep doing business with them as long as they carry the Glock parts I need. I hope they grow and start developing new/better ones. Can't have too many Glock part distributors that really care like they seem to. Heck, he's even going through the trouble to spar with dissatisfied customers on this forum when he obviously has better things to do. That says a lot to me. Good guys, it appears.

J.P.

05-11-2007, 18:10

Originally posted by JR
JP: It is not my intention to drag this conversation out any further. All I wanted out of this exchange is to make sure LWD makes a clean break with you. I can only assume you are satisfied with the parts you currently have in your possession and you have received 100% refunds for any parts you have rejected. In other words we do not owe you anything (whatsoever).

I do my absolute best to help every customer. Every now and then I have to help a customer "out the door". I am more than willing to issue you a refund for everything you ever purchased because I refuse to be indebted to you for any reason.

You could have stopped any implied mischaracterizations by simply providing a NAME but still you prefer to remain anonymous.

I won't drag this conversation out any further unless you require a response from me after this post.
However,I will not refrain from giving an honest review of the connectors when asked.
Yes JR,I have received a refund on every rejected part,(except for the ones I didn't buy directly from you) and I never stated otherwise.
Correct,you owe me nothing monetarily (or parts) at this juncture.
I still would certainly welcome an apology from you for "misstating" the facts about our gunshow encounter.
You are not indebted to me,and I NEVER said you were.Again,this was about "connector reviews".
IMO,you escelated it by misrepresenting what transpired between us.
At this point,I am not going to do anymore business with you so don't worry about helping me out the door.

I told you my name earlier...."J.P." ...that is my real name AND my Username.

Kraigster44,
I could honestly care less if you are weary of anything,all I did was relay my experiences about the connectors and try to qualify the remarks when people suggested that I was wrong.
So because most of you are satisfied with the parts,I should never be allowed to give a dissenting opinion?
That just ain't right,my friend.

And lest we forget.....we had at least one other guy pop on this thread and say he had similar experiences.

BayouSlide

05-14-2007, 17:16

Some credit where credit is due.

Just wanted to mention that I ordered two more LWD #3.5 connectors last Thursday, among a few other items on a small parts order from Lone Wolf.

On the Web order I mentioned that I had one of the first generation connectors that hadn't seemed to function properly in my competition G34 and asked about the possibility of returning it for one of the current ones.

It should be noted that I had bought that early-model connector around a year or so ago IIRC. At the time when I called to talk with them about how that connector was functioning in my pistol, JR had immediately offered to take it back and refund my money if I was unhappy with it...I didn't take him up on the offer. In the interim he had also sent me a free test connector (an unpolished version from a trial batch of the new design that was offered to GT members) to try out. Polished it up and it functioned fine, BTW.

To get to the point of this posting, I got my two new #3.5 connectors today for my G20 & 29, but was only charged for one, per JR. Class act, IMO.

So my latest experience with Lone Wolf fits my dealings with the company. They've earned my thanks and another :thumbsup: from me for exceptional customer service, and for caring about both their customers and the reputation of their products.

EDITED: because I :steamed: #@*%* typos