Drop in ported barrel for G34?

[Cochese]

I have a G34 that I carry on duty. I'm interested in a ported barrel for when it sees action off duty, or possibly on duty, if I got it approved. What are my options for a drop in ported barrel? I'm looking for one that will utilize the cutouts in the G34 slide and something that keeps the stock dimensions as well. It cant stick out at all, due to the holsters I use.

I'm looking for one for the slightly improved accuracy offered as well as the reduced recoil.

Thoughts? Links? Prices? Vendors? Pics?

Thanks!

[Steve Koski]

Why on god's green earth do you need to reduce the recoil from a full size 9mm? ? ?

Does the recoil hurt you?

Are you a 75 lb female?

Do you shoot so infrequently that the recoil surprises you?

If you believe you need recoil reduction on a 34, what you really need is to get some training and get some practice. 9mm guns almost don't recoil at all.

Sorry to phrase this so harshly, but you really need to take a step back and look at the big picture, especially if you're totin' a gun for a living and protecting the public.

[Cochese]

Originally posted by Steve Koski
Why on god's green earth do you need to reduce the recoil from a full size 9mm? ? ?

Does the recoil hurt you?

Are you a 75 lb female?

Do you shoot so infrequently that the recoil surprises you?

If you believe you need recoil reduction on a 34, what you really need is to get some training and get some practice. 9mm guns almost don't recoil at all.

Sorry to phrase this so harshly, but you really need to take a step back and look at the big picture, especially if you're totin' a gun for a living and protecting the public.

Well Steve, sorry if I somehow touched a nerve with my question. My wife is a 95 lbs. female. She is also slated to enter a federal academy soon. She would like to get more practice on handguns before then. Additionally, the information I have gathered shows that muzzle flip/rise is reduced with a ported barrel giving faster followup shots.

I don't *need* a ported barrel. I just wanted to try one out. I only own a G26, a G34 and an HK USP.

I'm not wanting to modify the G26 because I like it the way it is. The HK doesn't have a lot of comp chices for a bbl that keeps stock dimensions and so I'm left with the G34.

For what it's worth, I'm not afraid of recoil, I'm a 220 lbs. man, not a 75 lbs. female.
I'm a little poor right now, but still try and shoot at least every two weeks.

I qualify at my department with a 210/210 possible on a state POST stress course of fire, including moving while shooting, moving tactical/combat reloads and malf drills.

Thanks for your input, I think.

[Cochese]

Anyone else have links or ideas?

I looked at KKM and they seem to offer one (match with 4 port comp G34B1C) for $285! It also doesn't say if it's stock length or not.

Top Glock has Storm Lake, but they only have 4 ports for G24 and 35? Standard G34 is $98 and 4 port G35 is $122. I wonder if I could get storm lake to do a drop in 4 port G34 for me? :supergrin:

"EFK" shows one on Top Glocks site from around $174, but I think it's extended past the slide. :sad:

Bar Sto only offers a ported and extended bbl. It's also $300 bucks!

Damn!

[WVCJ]

Originally posted by Steve Koski
Sorry to phrase this so harshly, but you really need to take a step back and look at the big picture, especially if you're totin' a gun for a living and protecting the public.

Yeah cochese. You really should trust the general public. They know a lot more about your job then you do. :animlol: :hugs:

[Cochese]

What was I thinking?!

:supergrin:

[WVCJ]

Originally posted by Cochese
What was I thinking?!

:supergrin:
You should know better. If it were me I would stop shooting all together. Take Steve's advice, after all he's a civilian and has risked his life every day.



For the record not an LEO just an academy student.

[Cochese]

Originally posted by G.F.P.D.
You should know better. If it were me I would stop shooting all together. Take Steve's advice, after all he's a civilian and has risked his life every day.



For the record not an LEO just an academy student.

For the record, I always appreciate a fresh viewpoint, le or not.

;)

[Steve Koski]

That's good, and I applaud you. I've never been and will never be a LEO, but I've done a more shooting than 99% of LEO's will do in 40 years on the job. You can discount my opinion if you like, it's no skin off my back.

Ported barrels are nasty loud, like 5x the normal volume of standard barrels. They're especially punishing indoors. Go stand right next to someone firing a 5x ported 9mm barrel at a range sometime, not fun.

I have to believe you would have permanent hearing damage if you fired a burst indoors without hearing protection. Now, I know the first priority is not to protect your hearing during a gunfight, but if you're going to carry a gun, you should expect to use it at some point, and it doesn't seem wise to set yourself up for permanent hearing damage unecessarily. Just my opinion.

The reduced muzzle rise with a ported barrel is noticeable to a seasoned shooter, but to the untrained it can seem worse than stock, due to the huge increase in blast and volume level.

With ported barrels you also get a reduction in velocity. When the bullet hits the first port, the effective length of the barrel (almost) ends. So if the port is at 3.5", then you just took a 5.5" barrel and turned it into a 3.5" barrel velocity wise.

Some folks also knock using ported barrels because they can "ruin night vision" and blow crap up into your face when fired from retention. The first is not really true, based on my testing of a G23 and a G23C side by side. There is some flash out the top, and it could be an issue in some very very dark situations, but generally it's not too bad. A small negative, but not a deal breaker by any means.

The second issue also deserves some merit, but not too much. The G23C fired from retention did shoot a fleck of something into my eye once, which wasn't comfortable but didn't hurt me long term. Again, this issue is a small negative for porting on duty/carry guns, but not a deal breaker.

Follow up shots with unported 9mms are exremely fast, as the gun hardly moves off target, especially a full sized gun. They could be a little faster with a ported barrel, providing that you can really pull the trigger .01 seconds faster.

I think the negatives out weight the positives, but TEHO. Not many LEO's or cops carrying ported barrels, esp on 9mms out there. I wonder why...

[Cochese]

That's why I asked, Steve. Only been shooting since 2004. I appreciate your input.

Just looking for any advantage I can get.

;)


Originally posted by Steve Koski
That's good, and I applaud you. I've never been and will never be a LEO, but I've done a more shooting than 99% of LEO's will do in 40 years on the job. You can discount my opinion if you like, it's no skin off my back.

Ported barrels are nasty loud, like 5x the normal volume of standard barrels. They're especially punishing indoors. Go stand right next to someone firing a 5x ported 9mm barrel at a range sometime, not fun.

I have to believe you would have permanent hearing damage if you fired a burst indoors without hearing protection. Now, I know the first priority is not to protect your hearing during a gunfight, but if you're going to carry a gun, you should expect to use it at some point, and it doesn't seem wise to set yourself up for permanent hearing damage unecessarily. Just my opinion.

The reduced muzzle rise with a ported barrel is noticeable to a seasoned shooter, but to the untrained it can seem worse than stock, due to the huge increase in blast and volume level.

With ported barrels you also get a reduction in velocity. When the bullet hits the first port, the effective length of the barrel (almost) ends. So if the port is at 3.5", then you just took a 5.5" barrel and turned it into a 3.5" barrel velocity wise.

Some folks also knock using ported barrels because they can "ruin night vision" and blow crap up into your face when fired from retention. The first is not really true, based on my testing of a G23 and a G23C side by side. There is some flash out the top, and it could be an issue in some very very dark situations, but generally it's not too bad. A small negative, but not a deal breaker by any means.

The second issue also deserves some merit, but not too much. The G23C fired from retention did shoot a fleck of something into my eye once, which wasn't comfortable but didn't hurt me long term. Again, this issue is a small negative for porting on duty/carry guns, but not a deal breaker.

Follow up shots with unported 9mms are exremely fast, as the gun hardly moves off target, especially a full sized gun. They could be a little faster with a ported barrel, providing that you can really pull the trigger .01 seconds faster.

I think the negatives out weight the positives, but TEHO. Not many LEO's or cops carrying ported barrels, esp on 9mms out there. I wonder why...

[tostada]

Originally posted by Steve Koski
If you believe you need recoil reduction on a 34, what you really need is to get some training and get some practice. 9mm guns almost don't recoil at all.

Since you're so smart I'm surprised you don't know that ported barrels don't reduce recoil; they reduce muzzle flip.

Are you honestly suggesting that a Glock 34 has no muzzle flip? A gun that weighs less than 1.5 lbs. and can fire rounds with 500 ftlbs. of muzzle energy? The Glock 34 is a very light gun for its size, and with good defensive ammo it has a lot more muzzle flip than a 1911.

Obviously the benefits of a ported barrel don't always outweigh the drawbacks, but I'll give Cochese credit for being able to decide this for himself.

Originally posted by Steve Koski
Ported barrels are nasty loud, like 5x the normal volume of standard barrels. They're especially punishing indoors. Go stand right next to someone firing a 5x ported 9mm barrel at a range sometime, not fun.

Where are you getting this "5X louder" figure? My guess is that you just made it up and it is not based in any kind of fact.

A .357 mag is not even twice as loud as a 9mm. It's about 60% louder. If you're saying a ported 9mm is 5X louder, you're saying the ports make it 3X as loud as a .357 mag.

160 dB = 2.0 Kpascals = average 9mm
164 dB = 3.2 Kpascals = .357 mag
174 dB = 10.0 Kpascals = the magic "5x louder" ported 9mm

If the 9mm is so weak that only a 75 lb. woman would want to reduce the recoil, what magical properties does it posess that make it 3X louder than a .357 if you just poke a few extra holes in the barrel?

Glock had better start putting huge warnings on their C-models that you will be instantly struck deaf if you fire one without extensive hearing protection.

Originally posted by Steve Koski
With ported barrels you also get a reduction in velocity. When the bullet hits the first port, the effective length of the barrel (almost) ends. So if the port is at 3.5", then you just took a 5.5" barrel and turned it into a 3.5" barrel velocity wise.

Once again you are totally full of crap. Compare the Glock 22 (4.5" barrel) to the Glock 24C (6.0" ported barrel). The first port of the 24C barrel is actually about 2.5" from the muzzle. According to your statements, the Glock 24C has a 3.5" effective barrel and should have significantly less muzzle velocity than the Glock 22. According to you, the 24C should have similar velocities to the Glock 27 which has a 3.5" barrel. This is obviously not the case. With identical ammo, the Glock 24C has 25-60 FPS more velocity than the 22 and about 100 FPS more than the 27. The ports make almost no difference.

But this is obvious to anyone with common sense. If your statements were accurate, a ported barrel would literally blast the muzzle downwards with about 30-50 ftlbs. of force.

So, seeing as you feel the need to totally fabricate information in support of your claims, I have to ask you:

Do you have emotional problems that cause you to think that berating someone in an online forum without even attempting to answer his question is a reasonable way to spend your time?

It's blatantly irresponsible for someone as clueless and/or emotionally disturbed as you to be giving firearms-related advice.

[Steve Koski]

tostada,

Have you ever been to the range and fired compensated and non compensated guns side by side, back to back? Have you done it indoors?

I have, several times. There really is some recoil reduction, and there really is a really big increase in sound level. If you've done this and don't think there is any recoil reduction, you're nuts.

There really is a big increase in sound level too. Is it exactly 5x? I doubt it, but it is much louder, especially indoors. What number do you propose from your scientific testing? Is there no increase? Have you fired compensated guns side by side with uncompensated guns indoors and out? Have you stood right behind/next to shooters firing 5 port Lone Wolf 9mm G34 barrels? Have you compared this to shooters firing stock G34s?

If you'll read closely, I said "When the bullet hits the first port, the effective length of the barrel (almost) ends." You still get some push but not as much. Since you know everything, how much difference does it make? Does it make no difference? I think you're partially correct, there is probably less velocity loss than I previously implied.

Give us velocity comparisons of a 5 port Lone Wolf G34 barrel vs. a stock G34 barrel. And tell us where the ports start.

BTW, you can have permanent hearing damage firing a non-compensated handgun in 25 rounds or less outdoors. You want to try it with a compensated gun INDOORS? Do you really think someone is going to sue Glock because their compensated guns are louder than their uncompensated guns, and lack a warning label? This is a pretty silly argument.

How old are you? What do you do for a living? How much shooting do you do? Do you reload? Do you compete? What sports? What major matches have you won?

Thanks,

Koski

[Steve Koski]

BTW, foot pounds are not a unit of force.

And yes, any trained party who weighs more than 75 lbs can be trained to shoot a stock G34 quite effectively, without any compesators, even with duty ammo. It has very damned little recoil and muzzle flip compared to most handguns.

[hokieglock]

all sarcasm aside, try lone wolf, they make a 4 port drop in barrel for around 120$. i have one for the g35 i'm gonna buy in the future.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/products.asp?prod=4&curRecIdx=181

[Cochese]

Originally posted by hokieglock
all sarcasm aside, try lone wolf, they make a 4 port drop in barrel for around 120$. i have one for the g35 i'm gonna buy in the future.

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/products.asp?prod=4&curRecIdx=181


Hokie,
Couldn't get pics on my blackberry. Is it stock length?

[hokieglock]

Originally posted by Cochese
Hokie,
Couldn't get pics on my blackberry. Is it stock length?

yes. :thumbsup:

[rfd339]

???? on ported barrels ? do they cut down on muzzle velocity ?if they do, why cut your throat.

[tostada]

Didn't lone wolf used to have a 2-port G34 barrel? I don't see it on their site anymore. That'd probably be the best choice. Since the 2 ports are way out at the end past the slide, it'd actually have more velocity than the standard barrel, and it can't get the front sight dirty, and you could still use a scope mount or anything.

Originally posted by rfd339
???? on ported barrels ? do they cut down on muzzle velocity ?if they do, why cut your throat.

They don't cut down much on velocity. A G34 with a ported barrel will still have more velocity than most 9mms.

[wedgehead30]

Originally posted by Cochese
I have a G34 that I carry on duty. I'm interested in a ported barrel for when it sees action off duty, or possibly on duty, if I got it approved. What are my options for a drop in ported barrel? I'm looking for one that will utilize the cutouts in the G34 slide and something that keeps the stock dimensions as well. It cant stick out at all, due to the holsters I use.

I'm looking for one for the slightly improved accuracy offered as well as the reduced recoil.

Thoughts? Links? Prices? Vendors? Pics?

Thanks!


Cochese,

Before I switched my duty gun over to a G-19, myself and several other officers did considerable shooting/testing of various models. We tried both comped/ported and regular barreled Glocks. I can honestly say that for me there was no difference in follow up times between the two. I didn't notice any real difference in 9mm. Some of the guys felt there was a difference in .40 but the timer didn't seem to indicate that. The one thing we did find out real fast was that there's a huge fireball out the top of the barrel. Under low light conditions I found it very distracting. In the end we switched over to a mix of G-21, G-19, G-17 and G-26's for duty, BUG and off duty use. No one opted for a ported barrel. I shoot a G-34 for some of the fun matches IDPA, steel plate, etc. But interestingly enough I find my self going back to my G-19 w/light and duty gear lately. I shoot just as well plus get a little extra practice.

For what it's worth..
Wedge

[Cochese]

Thank you for your time and research, sir!

:)


Originally posted by wedgehead30
Cochese,

Before I switched my duty gun over to a G-19, myself and several other officers did considerable shooting/testing of various models. We tried both comped/ported and regular barreled Glocks. I can honestly say that for me there was no difference in follow up times between the two. I didn't notice any real difference in 9mm. Some of the guys felt there was a difference in .40 but the timer didn't seem to indicate that. The one thing we did find out real fast was that there's a huge fireball out the top of the barrel. Under low light conditions I found it very distracting. In the end we switched over to a mix of G-21, G-19, G-17 and G-26's for duty, BUG and off duty use. No one opted for a ported barrel. I shoot a G-34 for some of the fun matches IDPA, steel plate, etc. But interestingly enough I find my self going back to my G-19 w/light and duty gear lately. I shoot just as well plus get a little extra practice.

For what it's worth..
Wedge

[Ian]

My wife shoots a 34 and loves it.
My Tai Chi teacher weighs less than your wife, and she can shoot the G19 really well. A 34 is easier.
Make sure you have good ear protection, and it will be no problem for her. Get the highest rated that you can.
I, and my friends, found that shooting from the hip with ports (not anywhere near the face) made us feel sick!
No thanks not for me!
I would not suggest anyone use these for carry or duty.

[heat762]

A few years ago I bought a Fire Dragon ported barrel for a Beretta 92fs, it made absolutely zero felt difference.

The Fire Dragon guide rod/spring thingy did work however.

Double up on your ear protection by using soft and ear muffs. It helps newbs defeat the "inner monkey."

[Steve Koski]

Originally posted by Ian
My wife shoots a 34 and loves it.
Mt Tai Chi teacher weighs less than your wife, and she can shoot the G19 really well. A 34 is easier.
Make sure you have good ear protection, and it will be no problem for her. Get the highest rated that you can.
I, and my friends, found that shooting from the hip with ports (not anywhere near the face) made us feel sick!
No thanks not for me!
I would not suggest anyone use these for carry or duty. Firing from retention with a G23C also gave me brief waves of nausea. Felt woozy for a few seconds, but popped right out of it.

[Tack]

haha

ported 9mm barrel.

:rofl:

its a 9mm. If you can't handle it, just sell it and get a .22

What a joke.

:wavey:

[ducati]

Steve makes a good point. The 9mm is pretty easy to shoot. For learning the basics of shooting a handgun, front sight, press the trigger a 22 is perfect.
If your wife is getting ready for the feds I would like to point out that most carry a .40 cal which will be a real suprise if she is use to shooting a ported 9mm.