Huntin W/.40 S&w

[MICHSTORM]

Anyone attempt to shoot a dear with a .40? What was the outcome?

[GixxerSixxer]

There's a law here about the minimum power factor at the muzzle required to hunt deer with. I can't remember if the .40 qualifies or not. The 10mm will make it.

I've tried to hunt coyotes, no luck yet.

Rabbits go down except for the one that took three 165 GD's at 5 feet.

[Steve Koski]

That's one tough sumbich rabbit!

[hardonem]

:laughabove:

[TLHelmer]

I have put several deer down with the .40S&W when we were issued that caliber. I normally shot them in the ear canal and it did the job quite effectively. One of our troops shot one in the lung area once because the guy that hit the dear wanted the head ans shoulders. My understanding was that that didn't work real well. The deer started to get up and run into traffic. He had to shoot the deer several more times. :shocked:

[SDGlock23]

The biggest issue with using the .40 is that the firearms chambered for it aren't really good hunting platforms. Maybe a Ruger PC40 carbine with a little scope on it would work pretty well, maybe.

A black bear was taken using a 10mm and Hornady 200gr factory ammo, and DoubleTap has .40 S&W loads that equal those ballistics. NOT saying you should go bear hunting with one, but it should also work fine on deer. OyOyOyOyOy

[Pops 1]

I have hear of people killing deer with a Hi Point Carbine in 40 S&W.

[zeppe807]

I am going to try to get a Black Tail Buck this year with my G35. In many cases I am within 15 yards of a buck and so that is why I want to use the pistol instead of my 30-06. Plus when I am that close I am usually walking/crawling through thick brush and it is a pain to crawl with a long/heavy rifle for a few miles.

I plan on getting a 6" ported barrel from LW and then using Georgia Arms "Shear Power Plus" 180 gr +P Gold Dots.

Info on the ammo:
40 S&W GOLD DOT 50 100 1000 Ft. Lb. FPS(Glock 22)
G40C 180gr Hollow Point +P $18.50 $36.50 $360.00 440 1050
Link: http://www.georgia-arms.com/shear.htm

There are also some impressive rounds at Double Tap too.

I normally hunt every weekend of the season, but this year looks to be very grim with only a few weekends that I can go hunting.:sad::sigh: :reindeer: :50cal:

[SDGlock23]

I've got a 6" (glock 24) barrel in my OD Glock 35. If there ever was a huntin' .40 cal pistol, this would be it. I would either use handloads (cast or jacketed) or something from DoubleTap ... even if a factory 180gr FMJ/TMJ would do the trick.

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Minus the light, of course! :thumbsup:

[zeppe807]

So you think it would be better for Deer hunting to use Cast or FMJ rather than a good penetrating HP. A Black Tail is not as large as a White Tail or Mulie most of the time, and I guess I figured that it would be comparable to the body structure of what a typical SD HP is designed for. The nice thing is that Double tap and Georgia arms has some pretty hot loads and they are boasting good penetration with a good expanding HP. I could see if I am shooting a farther distance or using it for SD against a small bear of Lion a heavy cast bullet would be better.

Also I know that the longer the barrel the more velocity the bullet, but what do you think about having a 6" barrel with ports at the end, since it will bought with the intention to be used with these hotter loads. Will it help tame them a little. I would still be getting better velocity than what is stated on the web sites because the longest barrel they use is a G22 barrel.

Thanks

[SDGlock23]

Oh I don't think there's anything wrong at all with using a quality JHP for hunting black tails. I will say that I am VERY partial to the Hornady XTP, as it not only expands into a nice mushroom, but also penetrates very well. DoubleTaps 180gr XTP and 200gr XTP come to mind here as superb choices all around, and especially to folks who do not reload. The Gold Dot is another bullet I would recommend, although I have a sneaking suspicion they won't penetrate as deeply as the XTP.

DoubleTap claims 1150fps from a stock Glock 22 using their 180gr pills. With a 6" barrel, ported or not, I don't see why those wouldn't be moving at 1200fps or faster = plenty for ANY deer.
200gr XTP should be moving at 1150 fps or more. That's black bear medicine right there.

As for the ported barrel, it should tame the "hot" loads better, but just how much I'm not too certain. As you stated, there will be some velocity loss, but probably not enough to make a noticeable difference. Oh, ported barrels are louder too.

[oldironman]

You should stay away from the FMJ's for hunting deer sized game. I don't think that is what SD menat. It's not that you can't kill one with it, cause soldiers kill soldiers with them all the time. The odds are on the hollowpoint though. Think of the deer as a small man or woman. You would still want a hollow point or at least a flat-nose cast. The odds are better that if it runs into the thicket, the hollowpoint will leave a better blood trail for tracking. Do you really sneak and crawl to within 15 yards of those deer, or are you referring to getting through the brush in general.

[oldironman]

I probably wouldn't give up any velocity for the ported barrel. You might need it. Your not going to be in the position where your will need the rapid follow-up or extended shooting in the hunting situation. The extra barrel weight will help a tad and you can always put a dummy on the rail. Something that will give you a few more ounces out front without the illegal light. A light on it would be illegal here in Texas even in the daytime. I was hunting on public land once about 10 years ago where it is illegal to use buckshot. The law actually says illegal to "possess" it. A game warden met me walking back to my truck once, I was carrying my rifle. He searched my truck and found one loose buckshot shell in it. NO SHOTGUN!! $52 ticket. I was indignant.

[Njanear]

Originally posted by SDGlock23
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Wow!! That is one nice looking combo there :thumbsup:

Georgia has changed the rules so that you can hunt deer with any 'centerfire handgun' - no barrel restrictions or ME Power minimums. I guess if someone wanted to pull out their Raven .25ACP, they could go deer hunting :shocked:

I would have no qualms shooting a deer with a .40S&W of the 180gr persuasion through my G22, assuming close range and ideal conditions. I don't think I would try it with my G23C or G27, or the lighter rounds though (just my personal thoughts).

[zeppe807]

Originally posted by oldironman
You should stay away from the FMJ's for hunting deer sized game. I don't think that is what SD menat. It's not that you can't kill one with it, cause soldiers kill soldiers with them all the time. The odds are on the hollowpoint though. Think of the deer as a small man or woman. You would still want a hollow point or at least a flat-nose cast. The odds are better that if it runs into the thicket, the hollowpoint will leave a better blood trail for tracking. Do you really sneak and crawl to within 15 yards of those deer, or are you referring to getting through the brush in general.

I was kind of thinking the same thing with the use of HP and the size of a deer compared to a human (which a HP is designed for).

Oh, and yes when I am going through the brush, it is so thick that I am crawling most of the time and when I see a buck, yes it is sometimes that close. They usually won't move until you are right there if they feel like they are in a good hiding spot. Also if they are beyond that distance I would not have a shot because there is to much brush.

For me the pistol would be used as an option to having a gun when I run the brush instead of leaving my rifle in the jeep, and then not having a gun. It is not going to be my primary weapon, BUT if I have my rifle and pistol and I am sitting during a hunt and a buck runs close enough I just may try it. I would be nice to say I killed a buck with the pistol because of so many doubters in Caliber Corner.:thumbsup:

[zeppe807]

Deer Season opens this Saturday, I will let you all know if I get a buck with the G35. I haven't gotten any DT ammo yet, but do intend to get the 200 gr Controlled Expansion ones soon.



Wish me luck!!

[Morris]

I know an officer that used 11 rounds of 180 gn JHP to put down an injured raccoon . . . :supergrin:

[zeppe807]

Originally posted by Morris
I know an officer that used 11 rounds of 180 gn JHP to put down an injured raccoon . . . :supergrin:

WOW, good thing he is not paid to serve and protect! :brickwall:

[Morris]

And he holds a degree in animal management . . . that was a fine debriefing.

[Ak.Hiker]

That 40 S&W 200 grain Double Tap XTP bullet loading is running at the same velocity as the factory Hornady 200 grain XTP 10MM load. I bet it will be more than enough for deer.

[SDGlock23]

Any of the DoubleTap lineup should work very well on deer. Out of a G35, that 200gr pill should be rollin' out somewhere around 1150fps-ish, if not more. Thats about 590 ft/lbs... well enough for any deer.

[maclean]

Originally posted by Morris
And he holds a degree in animal management . . . that was a fine debriefing.

The backlash from that was funnier than the event itself.

That reminds me though, I still need to get over to Woodland Park gift shop and pick up a stuffed raccoon.

:rofl:

[duncan]

You could with 40SW

You should with 10mm

Best bet - 44 mag

[zeppe807]

Originally posted by duncan
You could with 40SW

You should with 10mm

Best bet - 44 mag

I agree, BUT

I WILL WITH 40S&W!:thumbsup:

[ILikeFtLbs]

I've done it a few times. It's not pretty, and I would advise against it if you have something more potent like a .357, 10mm, or .41 Mag. It'll put the deer down with the right shot, but you most likely are not going to be happy with the results and it may make you doubt the .40s effectiveness when you shouldn't. The deer I have double lunged always run. Sometimes they run a little, but usually a lot, and there has never been a blood trail. The bullets also perform perfectly each time, but results are still poor. The bullets fully mushroom and stop on the opposite side skin. Very little organ or tissue damage. There's just not enough energy being transfered. If you insist on trying it though, my best results have been with factory Fed 180 gr. Hollow Points and Hyrda Shoks, and 175 and 155 gr. Win Silvertips handloaded. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but this is my experience. Good hunting.

I have photos of a recovered Fed 180 Hollow Point if you want me to post them. That time it was a small doe at 15 feet. She took off runnin for about 75 yards through a field. Then she stood there for about 2 minutes until she fell over.

[zeppe807]

Originally posted by ILikeFtLbs
I have photos of a recovered Fed 180 Hollow Point if you want me to post them. That time it was a small doe at 15 feet. She took off runnin for about 75 yards through a field. Then she stood there for about 2 minutes until she fell over.

I would like to see it!

I am thinking about getting a couple boxes of DT's 200 gr Controlled Expansion rounds.

[ILikeFtLbs]

Here's what I have. The pictures are old. What's interesting is that all the .40 and 10mm rounds I have recovered from deer look like this, but there is significantly more tissue damage with the 10mm. Little if any blood trail with both rounds.

[ILikeFtLbs]

another photo. By the way, I'm not good with this photo stuf, so please let me know if these aren't showing.

[ILikeFtLbs]

last .40. Again, this is a factory loaded Fed. 180 gr. hollow point (not Hydrashok, but both have performed on deer the exact same for me). Also, bullet weight recovered was 179.4 gr.

[zeppe807]

Hey, those look good. Thank you for doing that.

I was thinking that with the DT's 200gr round coming out of the G 35, possible with the G 24 Barrel, it would be close, very close, to the 10mm coming out of the G 20. Note: that is my guess-timation.

We will see, I will report back when/if I get a chance.:supergrin:

[zeppe807]

Well I ordered the DT 200 gr CEHP, so we will see what happens. I hope they get here by friday so I can have them for this weekends hunt!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[357glocker]

So how did the hunt go?

[zeppe807]

Well I had a slim chance on one hunt, but did not take it. the buck was running away from me diagonally, about 50 to 60 yards away and through the brush. I did not take the chance to wound the buck and thought it was better to get a clean shot on a buck.

I have done about 5 days of hunting and have only seen Does.

This weekend though I did get to finally kill something the the 200gr DT's..... TwoRATTLE SNAKES!!! They were not that big, but it was done in self defense! I have now started to consider the 200gr bullets really good snake shot.:rofl:

I have only one more weekend I can get out to hunt, so I hope that will be the one!:thumbsup:

[zeppe807]

I have only done a little redneck ballistic testing so-far. I filled up a 35 gallon barrel 6 inched from the top, and stood up above it and shot into the bung hole with 155 gr Federal hydro shocks, 180 gr Remington GS, and the 200 gr DT's. The 155 gr ones did not even splash out of the hole, and fragmented into multiple pieces. The 180 gr GS splashed up about a foot above the barrel, and mushroomed very nicely! But the DT's 200 gr rounds splashed the water out over my head, which I am 6'2", and it mushroomed nicely, but with the amount of energy the round has it almost seems that the peddles open past the max diameter and folded all the way back.

My Glock 35 is now loaded with the Double Taps 200 gr HP for woods carry, and for hunting BUG.

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[zeppe807]

Well Hunting season is over and I never got a good clean chance to get my buck with the pistol. After seeing the first buck I only saw one more that I could not even shoot with my rifle, which I had on hand. I was kind of bummed that there were not as many deer as years before and I was not able to get out to hunt as much as I wanted to. It was the first year in about 15 years that I did not get my buck.:sad:

Oh well Camp life was fun and the hunting I did do was fun, that is what I have to look at.

Maybe Next year I will have the chance I want and can post up some Pict's!:thumbsup: