How to sell face to face in Mich, what is necessary? [Archive] - Glock Talk

PDA

View Full Version : How to sell face to face in Mich, what is necessary?


Getwild2
05-10-2007, 07:17
I have a G19 that my wife and I bought that we decided was not a wise purchase at the time. We are selling this gun, possibly to someone locally and wanted to know what all we needed to do this. We did not proceed with registering the firearm because of the intent to sell and I bought it with my MI CPL so there is no "green card".

What do you recommend? Should the other person have a purchasers permit, should we do it at a police station, etc??

Thanks for your help!!

Tallbear
05-10-2007, 09:01
Originally posted by Getwild2
I have a G19 that my wife and I bought that we decided was not a wise purchase at the time. We are selling this gun, possibly to someone locally and wanted to know what all we needed to do this. We did not proceed with registering the firearm because of the intent to sell and I bought it with my MI CPL so there is no "green card".

What do you recommend? Should the other person have a purchasers permit, should we do it at a police station, etc??

Thanks for your help!!

Was the portion of the RI-60 sent into the State police when you bought it?

1. You need to take the gun in and get your "green card".

2. buyer "MUST" have a purchase permit or RI-60

3. Make out a bill of sale with firearm serial number and buyers info.

Getwild2
05-10-2007, 13:05
Originally posted by Tallbear
Was the portion of the RI-60 sent into the State police when you bought it?

1. You need to take the gun in and get your "green card".

2. buyer "MUST" have a purchase permit or RI-60

3. Make out a bill of sale with firearm serial number and buyers info.
Yes, the RI-60 was sent in to the State Police. I talked to the buyer and he mentioned I would need to go register it (get the green card). He went and got his green card already too. Looks like I'm good to go after registering it, thanks so much!!! :thumbsup:

P.S. What are my penalties for not registering it in 10 days? More like 30?? :shocked:

10 Ring Tao
05-10-2007, 13:44
Originally posted by Getwild2
P.S. What are my penalties for not registering it in 10 days? More like 30?? :shocked:

The only time requirement is for those using a purchase permit. Yours was bought using the pistol sales record/CCW, so there is no time frame. However, keeping it reasonable would be a good idea.

alwayshear
05-10-2007, 19:06
P.S. What are my penalties for not registering it in 10 days? More like 30?? :shocked: [/B][/QUOTE]

I think you mean "safety inspection" ;) , but I have waited a month before without a problem. The local "safety inspection" hours are not very accommodating. Three hours, two days a week! Then they wonder why there are so many people there at one time! :)

PDogSniper
05-11-2007, 10:18
Originally posted by alwayshear
The local "safety inspection" hours are not very accommodating. Three hours, two days a week! Then they wonder why there are so many people there at one time! :)

Do a search in this forum. The police dept now has to do inspections and issue your green card during all regular business hours...

Getwild2
05-11-2007, 22:10
My precinct is 24 hrs and issues permits and inspects at all hours.

alwayshear
05-12-2007, 01:21
Thanks for the info! I will look into it.

douglasd
06-01-2007, 21:48
Originally posted by 10 Ring Tao
The only time requirement is for those using a purchase permit. Yours was bought using the pistol sales record/CCW, so there is no time frame.

Wrong. No matter how you buy it (Purchase Permit or CPL) you still have 10 days to have it "Safety Inspected" and get your green card.

That is, unless it's changed in just the last couple months.

10 Ring Tao
06-01-2007, 22:29
Originally posted by douglasd
No matter how you buy it (Purchase Permit or CPL) you still have 10 days to have it "Safety Inspected" and get your green card.

That is, unless it's changed in just the last couple months.

Wrong, right back at 'ya.

Q: I recently purchased a handgun with my CCW permit. My question is how many days do I have to bring my new handgun to the proper authorities for a safety inspection from the purchase date?

A: There is no time period specified in the statute. The “safety inspection” statute was seen as complementary to the “license to purchase” statute and that statute requires a person to return the completed license to the issuing agency within 10 days of the purchase. I think that the legislature envisioned the safety inspection being done at that time. Since you are exempt from the license to purchase requirements, there is no specified time for the safety inspection. The law would presume that you must do it within a “reasonable time”—whatever that is. I would suggest that you do it within ten days, but that is advice and not “law”. !

http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_ccwfaq2.asp

Hence the caveat, "However, keeping it reasonable would be a good idea." in my original comment.

douglasd
06-02-2007, 09:51
Originally posted by 10 Ring Tao
Wrong, right back at 'ya.
http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_ccwfaq2.asp


I stand corrected. You are right. :embarassed:

I guess the reason I assumed it still had to be done in 10 days is that I thought it said so on the pistol sales record, which I get a white copy of. Also, I think the folks at the gun store said so.

I went back and looked at my sales record form, however, and it says no such thing. It says only that the SELLER has to send his copy to the State Police within 10 days, and that the pistol has to be presented for a safety inspection...but gives no time limit for the safety inspection part.

Thanks for the correction.

douglasd
06-02-2007, 09:58
Originally posted by PDogSniper
Do a search in this forum. The police dept now has to do inspections and issue your green card during all regular business hours...

Correct. The AG's opinion from last year says exactly that.

Here's a link to the Attorney General's Opinion, which carries the weight of law until such time as the Legislature passes a law saying otherwise.

AG's OPINION:

http://www.firearmsalliance.org/AGLetter7-17-06.pdf

It also states that they may NOT charge any fee for the Permit to Purchase of the Safety Inspection, except for Notary service, IF you choose to use THEIR Notary, which you don't have to do. Before I got my CPL, I took mine to my bank and had it notarized for free.

There are some other interesting things in the Opinion, also.

Criphunter44
06-12-2007, 19:25
Originally posted by PDogSniper
Do a search in this forum. The police dept now has to do inspections and issue your green card during all regular business hours...
There is a Police station on the eastside that will only do a safety inspection on Tuesday's and Thursday's for 3 hours each of the days.
I was 5 minutes early once and they made me wait the 5 minutes before they would give my forms to fill out. They also wait until 4 or 5 people are there before they will even look at a weapon.

douglasd
06-12-2007, 21:53
Originally posted by Criphunter44
There is a Police station on the eastside that will only do a safety inspection on Tuesday's and Thursday's for 3 hours each of the days.
I was 5 minutes early once and they made me wait the 5 minutes before they would give my forms to fill out. They also wait until 4 or 5 people are there before they will even look at a weapon.

That's not legal anymore. I would sue...you will win for sure, and they will pay your court costs. Seriously. The AG's opinion holds the weight of law until such time as the legislature makes the law more clear.

Show them the AG's opinion.

http://www.firearmsalliance.org/AGLetter7-17-06.pdf

10 Ring Tao
06-12-2007, 23:06
Originally posted by Criphunter44
There is a Police station on the eastside that will only do a safety inspection on Tuesday's and Thursday's for 3 hours each of the days.
I was 5 minutes early once and they made me wait the 5 minutes before they would give my forms to fill out. They also wait until 4 or 5 people are there before they will even look at a weapon.

Send a message to user 'gsbell', he works with SAFR (www.firearmsalliance.org) and has been working long and hard to whip delinquent cop shops into line as far as days/hours they will do purchase permits and registration.

PDogSniper
06-13-2007, 09:38
Originally posted by 10 Ring Tao
Send a message to user 'gsbell', he works with SAFR (www.firearmsalliance.org) and has been working long and hard to whip delinquent cop shops into line as far as days/hours they will do purchase permits and registration.

+100... Gregg is a great guy and worthy of a battle... I've shot and trained with him so no one on the other side should cut him short... He know's the laws...

Criphunter44
06-14-2007, 04:47
Originally posted by 10 Ring Tao
Send a message to user 'gsbell', he works with SAFR (www.firearmsalliance.org) and has been working long and hard to whip delinquent cop shops into line as far as days/hours they will do purchase permits and registration.

I went to the SAFR website: www.firearmsalliance.org , went to the contacts and did not find 'gsbell' in the contact list. Also went to different links and each time I was routed to " page cannot be found". Is there any other contact?

Thanks..

Criphunter44
06-14-2007, 04:55
Originally posted by douglasd
That's not legal anymore. I would sue...you will win for sure, and they will pay your court costs. Seriously. The AG's opinion holds the weight of law until such time as the legislature makes the law more clear.

Show them the AG's opinion.

http://www.firearmsalliance.org/AGLetter7-17-06.pdf

So according to the AG's opinion, the police station cannot charge a fee for the inspections, (which by the way the do)is that what I am interrupting?

PDogSniper
06-14-2007, 08:50
Originally posted by Criphunter44
I went to the SAFR website: www.firearmsalliance.org , went to the contacts and did not find 'gsbell' in the contact list. Also went to different links and each time I was routed to " page cannot be found". Is there any other contact?

Thanks..

Do a searce here. Although I haven't seen him post for a while he use to frequent this site often...

10 Ring Tao
06-14-2007, 11:56
Originally posted by 10 Ring Tao
Send a message to user 'gsbell'

I was implying that he was a user of this site. Do a search for his name here in the MI section.

gsbell
06-14-2007, 12:59
Criphunter44,
What PD are you having trouble with?

douglasd
06-14-2007, 17:59
Originally posted by Criphunter44
So according to the AG's opinion, the police station cannot charge a fee for the inspections, (which by the way the do)is that what I am interrupting?

They absolutely CANNOT charge a fee, except for notary service, which only applies IF you use their notary, which you don't have to do.

The AG's letter is clear on that point.

The only time you need it notarized is if you get a purchase permit...if you have a CPL and only have to go for the registration...I'm sorry, "safety inspection", then nothing has to be notarized anyway. Show them the letter...if they don't obey, tell them you'll start proceedings against the department.

It's sad how many PD's don't know the laws, or even attempt to keep up with them.

Again, here's the letter from the AG:
http://www.firearmsalliance.org/AGLetter7-17-06.pdf

Criphunter44
06-14-2007, 20:01
Originally posted by gsbell
Criphunter44,
What PD are you having trouble with?

Clinton Township, they will issue/inspect on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 1pm to 3pm.

Criphunter44
06-14-2007, 20:06
Originally posted by 10 Ring Tao
I was implying that he was a user of this site. Do a search for his name here in the MI section.

Sorry, I misunderstood

PDogSniper
06-14-2007, 21:48
Originally posted by Criphunter44
Sorry, I misunderstood

Me too...:upeyes:

gsbell
06-15-2007, 03:47
We will contact them and see what their issue is.

Criphunter44
06-15-2007, 06:09
Originally posted by gsbell
We will contact them and see what their issue is.

Thank you sir! Let me know what you find out.

gsbell
06-15-2007, 06:18
No problem, I already did find out we had them on our list of non-compliant departments. I'm trying to find their response to our request for compliance with the law.

I should also note that many people have been instrumental in working on this issue.

a) I started the process because my dad was subjected to a waiting period. I also did a lot of the research that was the basis for asking the AG office for assistance.
b) Brad Benzing and Barbara Stockford have also put a lot of time into this. Brad has also been coordinating any activity that is required to encourage compliance with the law.
c) We also have had a SAFR attorney contacting some of the more difficult municipalities.

gsbell
06-15-2007, 10:46
Criphunter44,
Our experience has been that a local resident really needs to at least try to handle this first. If you are rebuffed then SAFR will see what we can do to help. Have you contacted the Chief of Police? If so what was his response? Another avenue is the township board, here is their next meeting:
Start Date/Time: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:31 PM
End Date/Time: Monday, June 25, 2007 8:31 PM
Reccuring Event: One time event
Description: Board Chambers
Importance: Normal
Category: Board Meetings
Location: Civic Center
Be calm, be professional and have the facts. All the information you need can be found here:
Research: http://www.firearmsalliance.org/AG%20opinion%20outline.doc
Request to Rep Caswell: http://www.firearmsalliance.org/AG%20opinion%20letter%20to%20Rep%20Caswell.doc
Letter from AG Office: http://www.firearmsalliance.org/AGLetter7-17-06.pdf

Let me know how it goes :thumbsup:

WarpSpeed
07-11-2007, 06:45
Dearborn Heights is still restricted to Tuesday and Wednesday, 12:00pm - 3:00pm. I know that within a month of the AG opinion coming out, Officer Wiatr (OIC of gun bureau/property) was given a copy of it in print but he's not the one who can make any changes.

The chief was supposedly made aware of the AG opionion as well but by the evident lack of change, may not think it's something he needs to address.

TAC-GLOCK
07-29-2007, 10:39
The whole safety inspection is a farce! I took a semi-auto in with a problem. You could not reliably cock it for single action. It would catch maybe 2 of of 10 times. Nothing was mentioned about it. I'm also curious how they do a safety inspection while the gun has a cable lock though the frame? And why would a safety inspection need to be performed on a brand new weapon?

It's really just a politically correct way of doing gun registration. The Feds do it when you purchase it, and the City/County/State does it when you get a safety inspection. Why else do they update their records when you sell the weapon to someone else?