BATF Banning import of higher cap auto shotguns?

[Apocalypse_Now]

This is what my latest CDNN catalog states.. I can't find backup of this.. anyone?

[Drjones]

I'm sick of hearing this rumor so I'm going to call ATF directly on Monday.

I just called them, but whoever answered the phone (I was surprised that a live human picked up the phone a) at a government agency and b) on a weekend, and told me to call back on Monday, which I intend to do.

[RojasTKD]

My understanding is that they can't be imported with the hi cap mags on, but (in the case of the FN shotguns) they can be imported and then have the hi cap mags installed. So FN will sell their shotguns with Hi cap mags. I little misleading on CDNN's part, though technically true.

That's what I read somewhere... so I claim no certainty.

[Apocalypse_Now]

Well, it's Tuesday, do we know where our tyrannnical federal agency is taking us regarding this import category?

[Apocalypse_Now]

Well I couldn't wait and miss out so a nice new FN 22 inch defense auto is on it's way :)

[RojasTKD]

My 18" SLP arrived the week before last. It is very very NICE. I hear that 22 incher calling my name too. I don't know my SLP is here and the TPS will soon be here (had to have a pump too), it's gonna be hard to justify. NOt to mention I've neem eyeing a PS90 also. It's an addiction I tell you!

[Apocalypse_Now]

NO question! My last purchase was a MK3 FN BHP .40 S & W and I love it! Next I need a KAHR MK40 hideout and a PTR91 and a ... ;)

[stinx]

I just bought a Benelli M_4, what I was told is they must be imported with out the hi-cap tube. Once in the united states the tube can then be added.

[RojasTKD]

Originally posted by Apocalypse_Now
NO question! My last purchase was a MK3 FN BHP .40 S & W and I love it! Next I need a KAHR MK40 hideout and a PTR91 and a ... ;)

The FN Hi-power is high on my list also. I may pick up one of those MkIII 40 S&W soon. I understand you can switch out the barrel (and mags) and convert it to 9mm.

[Apocalypse_Now]

I'm pretty sure it's possible to convert the .40 to 9mm.. but NOT to .357 SIG.. so even though there are barrels out there for this do not try it. The BHP is not up to the much higher chamber pressures of the .357 SIG factory loads. It does fine with .40 however, and with a Crimson Trace Lasergrip and tritium nite sights it's my new primary CCW. The MK3s have front and read dovetailed sights so tritium sight installation is a snap

I have several 9MM HPs so I don't need the conversion. My latest project is a detective short slide version of the 9MM HP. Basically making it into a BHP version of a 1911 Commander. The slide conversion also has the front dovetailed site so tritium install is easy

[GLOCK35TX]

High cap "Imported" shotguns went the way of the Assault Weapon Ban - signed by Bush SR in 1989

By law you cannot configure a post 89 shotguninto an assault weapon if it were not legal to import as already configured (more then 5 rounds) - UNLESS you add the correct amount of US made parts (922 Compliance) which don't exist for Benelli's

Your allowed to have one "evil feature" Either regular stock and a plus 4 or pistol grip stock and a +2 = but not both unless it was made prior to 89

Have you noticed the premium Benelli extensions are getting right now on eGay? The ATF is not allowing anymore in the country-even the +2. The collapsible stock ise no longer imported for the M4 now either.

Has it been enforced anywhere - no.
Do I have a +4 on my postban Benelli M1 - you bet..

[Apocalypse_Now]

So Glock35TX.. how are they importing the FN SLP MK1 and the "Winchester" version as 8+1 capacity weapons?

This is what I'm purchasing as a factory gun..

And BTW I will never forget what daddy Bush did to us.. he and Quayle lied to the NRA in a full color American Rifleman ad saying "there will be no gun control on our watch". Fool me once shame on you..

[mitchshrader]

has been gun control legislation passed during the terms of most presidents in my lifetime.

the inside of the beltway is cancerous. in sum, too much.

we're paying 8% of our net operating budget to interest. it's growing.

we have our border's guards in foreign countries, national guard are volunteers to guard our nation, and our nation need guarding and isn't being guarded.

we have tyrants neck deep in lies and pompous justifications teaching children to have sex with adults on taxpayer funds. we have guys dabbling in boy sex running abandoned children programs. we have liars prosecuting cases for the fbi, and a justice department that hires and fires for political reasons and proclaims virtue, and justifies torture, and justifies removing the right of facing ones accusers and the right of personal privacy..

we are not represented. we are manipulated, lied to, stolen from, and polarized into factions. we are the cash cow for the corrupt.

needn't bend over, you are bent over already and those hands on your shoulders aren't friendly.

it's not if. that's how it is. it's not 'when is it time' it's when is there any chance to change something.

how is a REAL good question, and time somebody asks it out loud.

don't look at me for answers, i have every single bit of choice about it you do and so far i write letters and offend people. usually.

any answer that doesn't look like 'shoot at americans' or 'more of the same with a different label' is what i'm lookin for.

gun control? hell. i'm sick of constitutional toilet paper in general.

gun control is as good a spot to quit being bent over as any.

[GLOCK35TX]

Apocalypse_Now

It has to be a domestic shotgun then - FN has FNUSA. If it were imported it could not hold more than 5 rounds - as that would classify it as an Assault Shotgun.

I owned a FN Tactical Police Shotgun (TPS) for about a week and it was stamped "Repeating Arms Conn USA". FN basically contracted out to them to produce it - The FN TAC shotgun is a Winchester 1300 with some bells and whistles.

If the FN is imported, then it has to have a regular stock with the extension.
If it came configured with an evil pistol grip AND an extension that would make it a non-sporting, assault weapon

[Apocalypse_Now]

Originally posted by GLOCK35TX
Apocalypse_Now

It has to be a domestic shotgun then - FN has FNUSA. If it were imported it could not hold more than 5 rounds - as that would classify it as an Assault Shotgun.

I owned a FN Tactical Police Shotgun (TPS) for about a week and it was stamped "Repeating Arms Conn USA". FN basically contracted out to them to produce it - The FN TAC shotgun is a Winchester 1300 with some bells and whistles.

If the FN is imported, then it has to have a regular stock with the extension.
If it came configured with an evil pistol grip AND an extension that would make it a non-sporting, assault weapon

It's from CDNN and they are saying it's a banned import.. it does not have a pistol grip, just the extension and a standard synthetic stock.
FN's website for the item, does not state where manufactured:
http://www.fnhusa.com/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF005&gid=FNG002&mid=FNM0019

Here's a pic:

http://www.fnhusa.com/support/images/dynamic/l/FNM0019l.jpg

[GLOCK35TX]

I guess I would have to see one up close to see where it was made - like I mentioned the FN TAC shogun is made by US Repeating Arms - for FNUSA..

It def does need a barrel clamp though - here is a nice from one Cactus Tactical

http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/images/barrel_clamp.jpg

I would also suggest a nice 3 point sling

[Flinter]

we have our border's guards in foreign countries, national guard are volunteers to guard our nation, and our nation need guarding and isn't being guarded.

Where did the rumor about the National Guard being only for local service/defence begin? Don't confuse the NG with the citizen's militia as outlined in the Constitution and the US Code. The NG was and always has been a fully federal funded reserve component of the US Army that the governors can use for local service if need be. Go back and look up the NG history, and since it was created in 1917, it has been used substatially in every war, with exception to Veitnam and Korea, and even then Guard units did serve in operations, but to a much smaller degree than before.

[Apocalypse_Now]

Originally posted by GLOCK35TX
I guess I would have to see one up close to see where it was made - like I mentioned the FN TAC shogun is made by US Repeating Arms - for FNUSA..

It def does need a barrel clamp though - here is a nice from one Cactus Tactical

http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/images/barrel_clamp.jpg

I would also suggest a nice 3 point sling

Have an Uncle Mikes tactical shotgun sling with integral quick detach swivels and a Blackhawk 3 point with the elastic.

I went to Cactus Tactical and looked at that sturdy looking barrel/tube clamp you pictured. It said something about having to use their barrel extension, but maybe they just mean you have to have an extension. The lack of a barrel clamp on the FN bothered me but some people are telling me due to the design it's not a problem with this weapon

Another thing I don't really like (getting it today so I'll make a report on it ASAP) is the rubber recoil pad. I like a flat, hard buttplate on a combat weapon, for quick shouldering and if need be in extremity, using the buttstock as a weapon. I can live with the recoil and a few bruises, and there's always the slip on pads for practice/training. I hope the pad is removable and the stock underneath is solid

[Apocalypse_Now]

OK, I just talked to the USA FN rep and he tells me these weapons are made in Portugal and are being imported with 5 shot tubes, then modified in the FN USA plant and sold as pictured with 8+1 capacity. He also explained the modified Invector choke (can shoot slugs and buck no problem) and the two color coded gas pistons

Black for 3 inch heavy loads

Red piston for 2 and 3/4 loads (3 & 3/4 dram or so)

Lighter dram loads may not cycle and the consensus is try a good number of any intended load, first

The reduced velocity tactical buckshot probably won't cycle well

[LarryNC]

Please forgive my ignorance on this issue. Are you guys saying that a shotgun holding more than five rounds is considered high-capacity? I'm glad I have my Winchester model 1300... eight round capacity. I love it. The only thing I've done with mine is put a standard stock on it. It came with that worthless little pistol grip. I fired one round of 00 Buck in that configuration and changed that immediately :supergrin:

[Apocalypse_Now]

We're merely discussing BATF ammo capacity restrictions on imported shotguns, hence the term I used "higher-cap".