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uscmas412
06-01-2007, 09:29
The law on packing.org is somewhat vague on this matter. I take the law to mean you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, but not in the actual place where the alcohol is served (i.e. the bar). Is this correct? In SC we cannot carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol.

Houngan
06-01-2007, 11:05
That sounds about right, although let's face it, where the bar ends and the restaurant begins is a pretty fuzzy matter in a lot of places.

H.

fryeg7
06-01-2007, 15:26
i am both a kentucky CCDW holder and certifed instructor, so i can offer a somewhat 'expert' opinion.

you can carry (fully loaded) in restaurants that serve alcohol provided you don't sit 'at the bar'. as long as the restaurant receives more than 50% of it's income from food, it's not a bar. since louiville recently imposed its socialist smoking ban, this is a good indicator of the restaurant's status. if the smoking ban applies, you can carry there. if you can smoke inside, it's a bar.

you may carry in a bar*, provided the weapon is FULLY UNLOADED. (*i am not a lawyer and this is my own personal interpretation of kentucky state law, which i have studied on my own a good deal). i base this on the fact that KY state law says it is not a crime to carry a concealed weapon anywhere an unconcealed weapon is allowed. the law also specifically says you may not carry a LOADED weapon into a bar. this implies you may carry an unloaded weapon concealed into a bar. the statutes define 'unloaded' as no rounds in the chamber with no magazine inserted (or any rounds in the cylinder for a revolver).

apparently, the state considers a fully unloaded handgun to no longer be a deadly weapon. i hate leaving my pistol in the truck, where it can possibly get stolen and is not under my direct control.

if anyone has a different interpretation of or a hard and fast answer to the bars and unloaded handguns question, please pipe up. i can't find the law, nor any precedent.

frye

domzilla9
06-01-2007, 15:28
Alcohol is dangerous.

Crazy4nitro
06-01-2007, 16:23
Driving is More Dangerous...:tongueout:

Good point of view Frye.

Crazy4nitro

IronHorseman
09-02-2009, 18:35
i am both a kentucky CCDW holder and certifed instructor, so i can offer a somewhat 'expert' opinion.

you can carry (fully loaded) in restaurants that serve alcohol provided you don't sit 'at the bar'. as long as the restaurant receives more than 50% of it's income from food, it's not a bar. since louiville recently imposed its socialist smoking ban, this is a good indicator of the restaurant's status. if the smoking ban applies, you can carry there. if you can smoke inside, it's a bar.

you may carry in a bar*, provided the weapon is FULLY UNLOADED. (*i am not a lawyer and this is my own personal interpretation of kentucky state law, which i have studied on my own a good deal). i base this on the fact that KY state law says it is not a crime to carry a concealed weapon anywhere an unconcealed weapon is allowed. the law also specifically says you may not carry a LOADED weapon into a bar. this implies you may carry an unloaded weapon concealed into a bar. the statutes define 'unloaded' as no rounds in the chamber with no magazine inserted (or any rounds in the cylinder for a revolver).

apparently, the state considers a fully unloaded handgun to no longer be a deadly weapon. i hate leaving my pistol in the truck, where it can possibly get stolen and is not under my direct control.

if anyone has a different interpretation of or a hard and fast answer to the bars and unloaded handguns question, please pipe up. i can't find the law, nor any precedent.

frye

Thanks that pretty well answers my question. I`m an Indiana License To Carry holder. We are going to be visiting family in Glasgow Labor Day weekend and I was concerned about restaurants that serve alcohol. Here in Indiana we can carry in bars.

http://www.el-mazatlan.com/Glasgow/Menu_Opening_Page.htm

Leigh
09-03-2009, 12:13
Restaurant MUST also have seating for 50 (in addition to the 50% revenue from food sales).

chris in va
09-07-2009, 22:12
What? Haven't heard that 'seating for 50' rule. Where is the statute for that?

costanza187
09-10-2009, 08:55
I don't know of the statute for sure, but I have always heard the 50% rule myself.

Brian Dover
09-10-2009, 11:23
As an observer from across the Ohio River, it has long struck me that Kentucky's firearms laws have a nice amount of "grey area" in them, to the extent that a righteous gunowner will have some room to defend himself in the judicial arena as well as on the street. :cool:

glockluver
09-10-2009, 11:40
The law on packing.org is somewhat vague on this matter. I take the law to mean you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, but not in the actual place where the alcohol is served (i.e. the bar). Is this correct? In SC we cannot carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol.
In N.C. if it serves alcohol it's off limits to ccw which means fast food can't even eat at pizza hut because they serve beer.