.40S&W for Wild Boar

[KY23]

Thought you guys would be interested in this. My friend, Bert, just killed a 200+ lbs boar with a Glock 23 .40S&W. The ammo used was 180 Grain Winchester full metal jacket.

Here is a pic:

http://www.arenetworks.com/boarpics/tn_Glocked.jpg

Larger image:

http://www.arenetworks.com/boarpics/Glocked.jpg

[brhodes]

WOW!!!

Great Pictures. How far was the shot? Couldn't of been to far.

[Steve Koski]

Thanks for the pic. Nice shot Bert!

[KY23]

The shot was made at approximately 15 yards. First shot was right in the sweet spot behind the shoulder and he fired another 6 shots as the boar ran away.

[noway]

Why did he choose a 40S&W glock for this hunt ?

This goes back to a post a while back about using a 40s&w caliber for hunting. A total of 7 shots ( assuming all connected ) to take down a Boar. A small 357/41/44mag or 10mm caliber weapon would have been a much better choice. And all of these calibers could have done the job with "one" well place shot at 15yrds.

[KY23]

Because that is what he chose to use. It was his decision and not yours. The first round killed the boar. It penetrated through both ribs and took out both lungs.

I've killed deer with a .40S&W before too. It was my choice to use it. May not be the best round for the job but it works just fine.

If your going to use the round for self defense why not hunt with it and gain some self confidence in your weapon and your round.

[NoVAlooker]

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[scoop]

if the first shot killed the pig whats with the other 6 shots?i guess he wanted to tenderize the pork huh?

[KY23]

Nope...the pig ran...he was at about 15 yards and wasn't sure of the shot so he shot at the pig until it fell.

While his pig was smaller than mine..it died quicker with a .40S&W then mine did with a .45-70. I'm not saying that the .40S&W is a good round to hunt hog with....and I'm not saying its better than the .45-70..but his pig didn't suffer any more than mine did.

[noway]

{The first round killed the boar. It penetrated through both ribs and took out both lungs. }

Let me get this straight 7 shots fired and the first round ( well placed ) killed the boar but it needed 6 more shots as it was running away @ arange approx to 15yrds. Maybe you mean the first shot would have eventually mortally kill the boar but it needed 6 more shots to put him down. yes/no ??


And I'm NOT questioning you're buddy choice or caliber. (imho) It's a bad choice as a hunting round and he can use anything that he wants to use. You're own description of what I consider a close range kill (15yrds/45ft) and the immediate impact that a 180gr FMJ that's doing less than let's say 1100fps on a pre-field dress weight of a 200lb wild animal, shows why this wouldn't be my first pick of a hunting combo.

Now after re-playback of this post and details of this kill, how many true ethical hunters will go out and shoot let's say a Deer or Boar with a 40S&W caliber handgun which is primarly a self-defense weapon with a self-defense caliber? "Not I"

That's the whole reason why the Fish & Wildlife commissions in most states set limits on caliber type and power levels. I could go out and hunt a boar with my mom .380 and shot it "X" ammounts of time and hope that I can get the animal stop before he gets out of range, or I can get a gun more suited for hunting with a more effective caliber and do it right the first time with hopefully one shot.


And I don't have to hunt with everything I carry just to feel confidence with it and it's capabilities.

just my few pennies observation.

[KY23]

Hey...I agree..thats why I used a .45-70. Is that big enough for you or should I get a .416 Rigby? Next time we go hunting I'll let Bert know that he has to get permission from you on what caliber to use. It was an honest mistake, he didn't know that he required your ok.

I agree that .40S&W is not an optimal caliber to use. Thats why I didn't use it. But in Bert's opinion it was so he used it. Its a free country and it was legal.

Your entitled to your opinion, but so is Bert.

[duncan]

Originally posted by noway
Why did he choose a 40S&W glock for this hunt ?

This goes back to a post a while back about using a 40s&w caliber for hunting. A total of 7 shots ( assuming all connected ) to take down a Boar. A small 357/41/44mag or 10mm caliber weapon would have been a much better choice. And all of these calibers could have done the job with "one" well place shot at 15yrds.

CONCUR.

A G20 with a 6" hunting barrel or a G21 with a 40Super barrel would have dispatched the boar with one heart/lung shot without having to recklessly put it down with half a dozen follow up shots. That's wasn't hunting!

And why a 200 pounder? After about 150 pounds, that pork strats tasting real gamey and tough. i'd stick to the 100 pounders for better flavor.

[duncan]

Originally posted by noway
Why did he choose a 40S&W glock for this hunt ?

This goes back to a post a while back about using a 40s&w caliber for hunting. A total of 7 shots ( assuming all connected ) to take down a Boar. A small 357/41/44mag or 10mm caliber weapon would have been a much better choice. And all of these calibers could have done the job with "one" well place shot at 15yrds.

CONCUR.

A G20 with a 6" hunting barrel or a G21 with a 40Super barrel would have dispatched the boar with one heart/lung shot without having to recklessly put it down with half a dozen follow up shots. That's wasn't hunting!

And why a 200 pounder? After about 150 pounds, that pork starts tasting real gamey and tough. i'd stick to the 100 pounders for better flavor.

[duncan]

Hogs will rip your legs apart. So go out there with an underpowered weapon and take down another one. seen guys with a limb in Texas after not heeding our warningns.

Just shoot from a tree because that 40SW isn't going to put them down quick enough for them to identify the pai source and charge you.

[duncan]

It's a free country but . . .

you can lose your hunting rights if a game warden or wildlife official catches you pulling these antics.

And a 44 mag revolver, pistol, or carbine, or Marlin Guide Gun in you 44 mag or 45-70 are the preferred tools for hog.

[duncan]

But you can take down some texas Javelina's with a 40SW. Only 40-50 pounds.

[KY23]

I agree that the .45-70 and .44 are better sutible cartridges for boar...I'm not in disagreement with you. I used a .45-70.

I posted these pics because I thought some of you would like to see them. I didn't know I would get so many whiners that wanted to hear themselves type.

And in Tennessee and Texas it is legal to use a stun gun if you wanted to kill a boar. Hell there were people there using knives. So take the laws of your state and stick them where the sun doesn't shine. We were in Tennessee it doesn't matter what your state laws were.

It was Bert's opinion that the .40S&W was enough to take the boar down. Its a free country and he wasn't breaking any laws. You wouldn't have used the .40S&W...thats fine..its a free country and no one is making anyone use a certain cartridge.

Just because your opinions differ doesn't mean you have to flame anyone. Fine..you have a different opinion. Thats what these forums are about.

duncan,

Some people would say your opinion that a 40super is enough cartridge is wrong.

I chose the .45-70 to kill a boar because I wanted to put the boar down as quickly as possible. You guys are like a bunch of little girls.

[duncan]

I'm not flaming you.

it's the idea that someone ACTUALLY thinks that 40SW can take down a 200 # boar.

That's the irony.

Next time, he may not be so fast or lucky.

I've seen some guys in Texas and Alabama with alimp due to pig hunting with underpowered weapons and yeah, stick knives.

And if you posted this in the General Glocking forum, you'd get this same line of discussion.

I think your friend just didn't want to pop for a hunting gun. And that's not right. Irresponsible.

And what if he missed, a wounded angry 200 pound pissed off boar is really nice for other hunters to run into during turkey hunting season which is coming up.

Just don't like hearing folks not putting their prey down on the first or second shot. That's all.

You may not like to hear this, but this is what most experienced hunters think when we hear young bucks talking like this.

And last time I checked, I had balls. But I really like the ladies. So any time you'd like to put me into a confined space with very pretty buxom ladies, feel free. ;)

[garys_2k]

Well, I think it was a great job - nice to see the gun worked. Thanks.

[MARTIN FISHER]

The pig looks dead to me. Good shot too. As for the choice, it was his, he is an adult and he got the pig without getting hurt, so leave it alone already!

[mzenzer]

First let me say that I've carried my G22 as backup while deer hunting, just to have another weapon with me in case I needed it if my rifle jammed or for a boar that ran me up a tree. Or, for that matter, BG's in the woods. Few people realize how much crime actually takes place in the wilderness. Second, in Louisiana it's legal to hunt boar or deer with ANY centerfire cartridge, but you must use hollowpoints or lead tip. Don't know what the law for hunting calibers is in other states but handgun hunting is popular nationwide, though laws may vary. My brother dropped an Elk with a Colt .357 Python with an 8 inch barrel. One shot, dropped right where he was shot.

Now, just to play devil's advocate here, because I really am curious as to why people think this, how come .357, .40, or 9MM rounds are considered good defensive loads when faced with a 200 lb. BG on PCP, but when someone wants to use them on a 150 lb deer or even a 200 lb boar, its considered inferior.

Afterall, they are flesh and bones just like us. I mean, based on the logic of some we should all be carrying .44 Magnums with 8 inch barrels, or .454 Casulls.

The .357 125 gr. load has dominated so called "one-shot stop" statistics for decades, yet the 158 gr. is considered the ideal hunting load for .357, why is that?

As far as how many rounds Bert fired, it seems logical to me and I don't think it had anything to do with him using a .40 to do the job. I've seen (and heard many more) hunters fire 5 rounds of 30.06 at deer. You can make a clean heart or lung shot and the deer is still gonna run 100+ yards in some cases. In my opinion, it's the humane and ethical thing to do to keep firing until the animal goes down or you are out of ammo, because you can't be sure that first shot was a fatal one.

Oh well, just curious as to why good self-defense calibers are not considered good hunting calibers, on creatures that are often smaller than Bad Guys and not hopped up on drugs.

[KY23]

Thank you mzenzer, garys_2k and martin fisher.

duncan..what do you mean by "it's the idea that someone ACTUALLY thinks that 40SW can take down a 200 # boar."?? It did take down the 200lbs boar and it did so very well. The bullet penetrated both sets of ribs...and both lungs. Why is that not suitable to you?

I understand from your posts that it is not your choice of calibers to hunt with. Fine..don't use it. But if its legal in the State you are hunting who the hell are you to say that it can't be used? Are you saying that the game and wildlife departments who are making the hunting laws don't know what they are doing?

Again, I may be a whimp, but I personally wouldn't use a .40S&W to hunt with...I like big bore rifles...but if its legal...and someone wants to use it...go for it. Just make sure you get close enough and make a good shot.

[Matt@thebeach]

and have not yet developed a limp. If I can kill a pig with a knife, I am sure that a 23 will too. As for not wanting to buy a real hunting gun, I think that you are being a bit mean spirited. We are all entitled to our opinions, but that doesn't mean we have to say them out loud. Matt

[noway]

let me try to answer you're questions;

{Now, just to play devil's advocate here, because I really am curious as to why people think
this, how come .357, .40, or 9MM rounds are considered good defensive loads when faced with a 200 lb. BG on PCP, but when someone wants to use them on a 150 lb deer or even a
200 lb boar, its considered inferior. }

But most bad guys are shoot at close range with weapons that have far less energy then most true hunting ammo. Also the target "kill zone" is not as heavy protected as in a Deer/Boar/Elk/Antelope. The idea sweet spot in a deer is only 4" to 6" big.

{ Afterall, they are flesh and bones just like us. I mean, based on the logic of some we should
all be carrying .44 Magnums with 8 inch barrels, or .454 Casulls. }

That's not the point, some caliber/guns are more suited for hunting some more suited for defense. And you still have to pick the right one for the intended game/animal. You don't go hunting an Elephant with a 22LR, nor should you go hunting a deer with a 25auto ,but both of these calibers will kill an avg size human. Get my point ?

{The .357 125 gr. load has dominated so called "one-shot stop" statistics for decades, yet the
158 gr. is considered the ideal hunting load for .357, why is that? }

See the above statement, the 125gr is more suite for two legged so-called smart animals ( humans ) and the heavy 158gr is suited for the so called dumber 4 legged animals (Deer/Elk/Boar/Antelope etc... )

I myself would used the 158gr projectile.



I would have to go with Duncan on this one. Any gun could work but more educated hunters uses the correct tool and caliber for the job. This story of the wild hog hunt would not make front page or top story in most hunting journals.

As far as KY23 goes, we haven't told you that you are wrong , that you have to get our approval or must use caliber XXX. You made a post in a public forum and was give personal opinions on this wild hog that was kill. All we are saying is experience hunters would not have choose the caliber and gun that you're friend use. If you can't accept that, then don't post in a public forum. You're friend used a personal defense weapon that would be lucky to have 350 to 400 fpe at 15yrds vrs a amore suite caliber 357/41/44/10mm/40super etc... that would have more stopping power and would most likely in the steady hands of a hunter required less shots to displace the animal. The winchester box probably had somewhere on the label or back the words ( target/range ) this should have given you a clue as to the primary usage for that caliber and 180gr FMJ that was used. It didn't say "hunting"(imho) If I was going to use a glock handgun it would be in a 10mm.

And for those who don't believe a 200lb Hog is not dangerous, should talk with my Dad. My Dad and GrandDad worked in a Texas slaughter house & killed domestic hogs and a few people where cripple by a 200lb + hog that gots loose or better yet from being in the way.

(btw) If you're interested, alot of these domestic hogs where killed with 38spc at contact or near pointblank range.

[KY23]

You people are either ignorant or you just can't read. If you are having trouble reading..maybe dyslexic I'll give you a call and read it for you.

I'm not disputing the fact that it was not the best caliber to use. I'm not saying that I would use that caliber or weapon to hunt with.

I am saying that a .40S&W Glock 23 was used to kill a boar. It killed the boar. It killed the boar quickly. It penetrated both lungs and both ribs at 15 yards.

I am also saying that it was legal to use that caliber/weapon combo and Bert used it. It might not have been the best choice but he used it and it worked.

Let me state this again: I would not use that caliber but Bert did and it worked.

Bert is an adult. It was his choice to use that caliber and he did. End of story. You guys make me want to go out and hunt everything with .40S&W just to prove you wrong.

[noway]

{You people are either ignorant or you just can't read}

Why are you stating this? I think most of us can come to conclusion and think and read and look at the information. You own posting and sour tone shows how ignorant you really "ARE". Grew up or go back to school and take few course in manner and better yet hunting education. I do believe that most state FWC have Hunting Education course at the start of hunting season.

Nobody here has fought you or dis-credit you. We ( the majority ) just want to point out to the rest of the masses, that their are other better suited calibers for hunting, and to show the advantage of using something other than a 40S&W caliber.

Want I think is so strange about this post when compare to the guy that took all sort of flack when he tried to dispatch a wounded elk that a guy was tracking & and shot it 12 times. He took alot of heat from the PETA lovers and GT members, but nobody seems to really throw up a fuss for a wild hog shot with a similiar defensive caliber gun that was used for hunting from the start. I posted the link to that elk shooting for reference.

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43044


good day and happy hunting .

[KY23]

The reason I'm stating this is because at no time during this post have I said that the .40S&W was a good hunting cartridge. Like I've stated several times but can't seem to get through your thick head is I shot my boar with a .45-70. Are you saying that this is not a good cartridge to use on boar?

noway, Why do I need to go to hunting education? I've agreed with everything you have said. I thought that you guys in a .40S&W room would want to see the pictures. I have never said it was a good idea to use .40S&W but you are talking like I'm the one that shot the boar.

I want you to go back and read the posts from the start. I think we have a misunderstanding. You either didn't read all the posts or like I said before you are stupid.

And I am plenty "Grew" up as you stated. I hunt with proper calibers and I don't take a shot unless it is a good one. I have never lost a deer or any other animal that I have shot. NEVER.

[scoop]

so in tenn. their are no limits set on barell lengths or min cal for hunting?or was it on private property?and i agree with one point made above ( that aint hunting thats killing).big ,big difference.

[duncan]

KY23:

I just don't want Bert doing that again. Show him these posts. These are for him!

I just don't want to run into a pissed off maimed 200 # boar with my back to a tree on the ground while turkey hunting or scouting deer for the fall!

Does any commercial ammunition manufacturer have any 40SW hunting loads?

Nobody's being a jerk here. When you hang with guys who have hunted 25 and 30 years, you learn to respect their judgment. It can't be taught from a book, it has to be learned through experience. That's all.

Have your friend review the posts below. People have been asking about shooting prey with 9mm, 40SW, 38 Spl, and even .223.

From the below posts, 92 percent of the posters wouldn't do what Bert did. And under the law, that defines his conduct as unreasonable.

What is legal and what is right usually are two different things.

Judge Duncan

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50772&highlight=deer+hog

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52740&highlight=deer+hog

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34987&highlight=deer+hog

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24504&highlight=deer+hog

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70454&highlight=hunt

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69752&highlight=hunt

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=104386&highlight=hunting+glock

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=99531&highlight=boar+or+pig+or+hog

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=102902&highlight=boar+or+pig+or+hog

[KY23]

I'm not going to tell Bert anything. He is an adult and he can do what he wants. If he asks for my opinion I will tell him that I think he should hunt with a more efficent caliber. But...he has not asked me for my opinion so I'm going to keep my mouth shut. Unlike other people I do not force my opinions on others.

Its a free country and Bert is an adult. As long as he follows the law he can do what he wants.

END OF STORY

[Bolo]

lol KY23- Thanx for the pics, awesome. -Hey give KY23 a break he came to share some pics and everyone wants to jump on his back for something his friend did. Some of you think you know more than you do. I plan on 'Killin';f a hog with my 23 just to try different ammunition(maybe a couple Golden Sabers, Gold Dots, FMJ, and Silvertips). So i want to shoot a hog multiple times (with various brands of ammo to collect the bullets and check performance). Some of you may not like this idea, but tough sh1t. Is it just me or are people not as helpful, informative, or nice as they used to be?(did we get an influx of juveniles and democRATS!).

Another thing I'm wondering. Many people use 10mm 180gr Federal Hydrashoks and it is enough for a boar, but the 40 sw is not sufficient. Arent these two rounds almomst identical in velocity and performance. So why not .40 just bring a 12 gauge with slugs for backup.

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[KY23]

Thanks for the support Bolo....I don't know why they are all over me. Guess they are just a bunch of old ladies that want something to complain about.

[Bolo]

Originally posted by duncan

Does any commercial ammunition manufacturer have any 40SW hunting loads?

Look on the back of a box of 155gr Winchester Silvertips and it specifically mentions hunting.

[noway]

{ Many people use 10mm 180gr Federal Hydrashoks and it is enough for a boar, but the 40 sw is not sufficient.}

Totally not the same.

First,the Fed Hydra shock in the 10mm is nothing more than a few pips more than a 40S&W in energy/velocity.

Second, the Fed Hydrashock is not a hunting ammo (40S&W or 10mm ) or better worded not recognized as hunting ammo.

If you know anything about the 10mm, the same bullet used in the 40S&W is going much slower and the 10mm let you drive the same bullet at a much higher velocity. The 10mm bring the 357mag type of power into a semi-auto gun. A G22/23/27/ doesn't , never will , never could , just ain't going to happen. With that being said, most hunting loads in the 10mm are about in the range of (180gr-200gr @ 1200-1400fps ) vrs a 5" bbl 40S&W might hit 1100fps and a shorter G23 like what was used on the boar is even less than 1100 fps. The effective energy being produce by these two caliber could be look at in this way;

40S&W = less than 500fpe on avg
10mm/357mag and others = greater than 500fpe into 700-900fpe range or even higher


To check out some true hunting loads goto corbon web site and you will see that the 40S&W is no where to be mention. Nor, will you even see any gun mag, hunting mag, with the 40S&W listed as a hunting caliber for handguns (AFAIK). Yes it could kill a human and a 200lb boar. But it is not something you will see the avg smart hunter pick to go hunting with, who is looking for the one shot kill without worry about placing multiple hits to bring an animal down, thus extending it's suffering and causing extra damage to the meat.


http://www.cor-bon.com/huntammo.html

Once again, nobody is questioning you're tactics or you're friend tactics, and nor have anybody stated you did anything wrong or "taken you're rights" away from whatever caliber selection you deem is right for you.

Nor do I considered my "stupid" as what you suggest and I have read you post and made my opinions. After reading you're post nor would I approve of myself or anybody using a 40S&W short bbl glock on taking a wild hog.

Does anybody know for sure if the state of TN has an all year open-season on hunting hogs?


(btw) For certain game even the 10mm is not adequate, that's why we have 357/41/44 mag and others......

[duncan]

Again, the law defines minimal conduct.

We're talking ethics here.

Nuff said!

[noway]

quote:

Originally posted by duncan

Does any commercial ammunition manufacturer have any 40SW hunting
loads?

Look on the back of a box of 155gr Winchester Silvertips and it specifically
mentions hunting.



That's strange because my flap on my 155gr STHP shows personal proctection just like what the winchester websight says.


http://www.winchester.com/ammunition/store/cfhlist.eye?cartlist=NDAgU21pdGggJiBXZXNzb24%3D&uselist=none&brandlist=none&image=on&summary=on&velocity=on&energy=on&traj=on

I actually did a search on winchester web site for hunting ammo under 40S&W and came up with nil.

But for 357mag I got a few hits for personal protection and hunting use. Nil also for the 10mm STHP if you are interested.

Also the items under 357mag all had over 500fpe of energy at the muzzle, some thing pretty hard for a S&W 40caliber to claim.

[duncan]

Originally posted by Bolo


Bolo:

Call 800-356-2666.

And ask any Winchester tech rep whether they would recommend 40SW for hunting.

I didn't think so!

[KY23]

Guys,

Again you are reading to much into this. Answer a few questions.

1. Is Bert an adult? YES
2. Is shooting a hog at Wilderness Hunting Lodge in TN with a .40S&W legal? YES
3. Can Bert decide what caliber he wants to use? YES

All of these questions and answers lead to one thing. It was Bert's decision. You may not think it was right but in Bert's opinion it was. If Bert wants to go out and beat one with a baseball bat and its legal there is nothing you can do about it.

[KY23]

noway,

Go to the Winchester site. Go to the same drop down boxes you were talking about. In the first one select .40S&W and the second box select target and range. You will also get nil. Does this mean I'm not allowed to use any of Winchester's ammo for target practice?

Now put .40S&W in the first box and personal protection in the second box. You will get nil. Does this mean that you will flame me if I shoot a burgler in my house with any Winchester ammo?

[noway]

To answer you're question , look at ALL brands and don't search for any usage.

You will not find one listing under hunting for the 40S&W,10mm,9mm etc....

357mg/41mg has a few listing.

Duncan, that's a good point. I bet most ammo mfg will tell you no and suggested Corbon. That was my experience about 2 years when I did my own personal search for hunting ammo for the 357mag and 10mm ( the only 2 guns that I would use for hunting deer and boar )

I also like the fact that under the Application title winchester list the hunting ammo like this;

Ballistic Coefficient: 0.150
Barrel Length: 4.00" Vented
Product Symbol: X41MSTHP2

Suggested use: Hunting or Personal Protection
Description: Massive Energy Deposit, Accurate, Optimum Penetration, Consistent Expansion
Application: Thin skinned game such as Whitetail Deer and Boar


Clearly stating thin skin animal such as Boar & Deer. Or maybe winchester doesn't even know and we all should ask Bert.

[KY23]

Hey...asking Bert may be a damn good idea...because he knows first hand. A .40S&W round will take down a 200lbs boar no problemo.

I'll use .40S&W on my next boar hunt.

[Bolo]

Originally posted by duncan


Bolo:

Call 800-356-2666.

And ask any Winchester tech rep whether they would recommend 40SW for hunting.

I didn't think so!

Did I say it was a recommended load - No! - I merely said i would find it intersting in recovering the bullets. I have an old box of silvertips here and on the back it says applications - personal protection, hunting.
So There! ;K

You guys are reading way too far into this. (Where's Walter to hand out the Paxil;g)

KY23 - If Bert wants to go out and beat one with a baseball bat and its legal there is nothing you can do about it. ROFLMAO;f

[TEXAS MAG]

I wonder what kind of energy a arrow has? How many think a bow is a wise choice to hunt boars with?

[RKB9X19]

As a former bowhunter, before the arthritis,;) I wouldn't have thought twice about hunting boar with it, and I never took a deer or an elk that dropped in it's tracks after being hit with a 125gr "Bear Razorhead" regardless of how well the shot placement was. I had to track each one of them, and I never lost an animal, either. That said, I have sitting on the desk a box of Winchester(white box) 40 S&W 165GR. FMJ. lot S M90. On the back, it states in the application guide under HUNTING, "Thin Skinned Game such as Whitetail Deer and Boar."<br><br>Hope this helps;f

[Bolo]

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[Packin' Heat]

From what I understand and from what I can gather from the picture, the first shot caused the mortal wound. The hog ran and this Bert guy, not knowing he had fatally wounded the hog, fired an additional 6 times. Did those additional 6 shots even hit the hog? Just because he shot 6 more times doesn’t NOT mean hit it 6 more times. How many rounds fired and how many rounds actually hit are two very different things. If one perfectly placed .40 killed the hog – what’s the problem? I hate hunting and nothing could be more hypocritical than one hunter condemning another. But hey, you guys do what you wanna do. Killing animals is killing animals. The only animals I’ll even think about killing are the two-legged, criminal types.

[KY23]

I don't want to keep this thread going...but I was looking at some numbers and I was just wondering about something.

A remington JHP 155 grain bullet in .40S&W has an average velocity of 1205 fps at the muzzle.

A remington JHP 158 grain bullet from a .357 Mag has an average velocity of 1230 fps at the muzzle.

I know there is a loss of velocity coming from a shorter barrel but all things equal it looks like the .40S&W is pretty close. So why is a .357 a magic hunting bullet and the .40S&W is not?

According to the optimum game weight calculator in the Lyman's reloading manual the .40 S&W is able to handle the same weight animal as a .357.

When your talking about a distance of 15 or 20 yards an animal like a boar would not be able to tell the difference of what round hit them. Ask Bert's boar...I bet he doesn't know what hit him.

[Glock You!]

Innocent bystander here. I thought the picture was cool! Thanks for sharing it KY23!

I think what riled everybody up was that you said he shot at it six more times. Had you posted the pic and said "Hey, check out this picture, my buddy killed this boar with his Glock. One shot to the vitals and it only ran 25 yards!" then the critics would not have been so quick to condemn.

We hunt deer in my state with shotguns and big lead slugs and believe me I have seen deer turned into swiss cheese before they finally died. I think shot placement is far more important then bullet energy/ballistics when it comes to a quick and clean kill. I refuse to be one of those hunters who just throw lead in the hopes of hitting their target. That's one of the reasons I gave up party hunting in large groups and now mostly stand or still hunt. Not that your buddy is a yahoo, just that his shooting so many times may lead people to remember somebody like that they may have hunted with one time or another. I have not fired more than two shots at an animal in several years now and have taken a lot of whitetails (I realize boars may be tougher skinned, sorry we don't have them here).

I have to agree to some extent though that the .40 may not be the best tool for the job. My Glock 22 is the first handgun I have ever owned, and while I did toy with the idea of hunting with it I don't think I will. But if I do I will be sure to select a good shot and place my bullet well. Then I'll post a picture on this website so everybody can tell me what a complete ass I am for trying it in the first place.

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[scoop]

ok ok fine.i just dont care to be in the woods while some YA HOO is emptying his glock in or at some animal.gives hunting a bad name.its not so much the calibre but the multi shots taken.id have a similar opintion about some YA HOO hunting with a mini 14,ar-15 ,ak-47.yes these are fine killing machines but unless you are hunting to survive (which no one in this country has to do)their should be more sport to hunting.
and the comment about the .40 cal being the same as the 10 mm well someone needs to study up on that a bit.

[Apprentice]

KY23 - great kudo's to you and your pal for hunting potentially dangerous game with a realistic SD pistol. You guys are way ahead of most of us. THAT is hunting! THAT is good training at shooting under some pressure.

Heck, lung shot game will run regardless what you hit them with. It all makes perfect sense to me. Don't worry about the critics. It seems most times someone pushes the envelope they get hassled some.

I took two deer last fall with a Bushmaster Shorty. One heart lung shot each. One at 20 yards, another at 20 feet. And A-typically, they ran a few yards and dropped. And many swoon over the concept of such a light load for a deer.

[KY23]

If I shoot an animal and it starts to run away I get as many rounds as possible in the fleeing animal. I usually carry a lever action so that usually means only one other round. There is nothing wrong with shooting a running animal after you have already wounded it.

[KY23]

Apprentice,

It was my friend not me...I was carrying my Glock 23 for backup but my .45-70 took my boar down.

I have killed one deer with a .40S&W. It was about a 125 pound doe...I used a 180 Grain Gold Dot and it put her down. She ran away but the blood trail was huge so she was easy to follow.

I personally don't want to hunt with the .40S&W but if its legal go for it. It will help get confidence in your weapon and your ammo. I shoot IDPA, IPSC, and KPDL. There is only so much practice you can get from shooting targets.

[Bill G Gonzales]

Thanks for the pictures KY23. First off let me say that I don't think that your friend was under gunned for the size of the animal and the range involved. I've blown up the lungs on mule deer with a .30-'06 and had them run farther than that pig did. If people are afraid that they're going to get crap for their hunting posts then they will stop posting them. Someone once posted their hunting experience with a Glock 10mm and sure enough people started reaming him out for taking too long a shot, being under gunned, etc. Everyone has their opinions, but the bottom line is that if the caliber is legal and the hunter wants to test it's effectivness, then he should go for it.

[KY23]

Thanks Bill,

Don't worry...these guys won't make me run off. I say whats on my mind and don't mind taking some ragging from these guys. Alot of these guys just like to complain about something.

Thanks,

[jgun]

KY23, Tell your Buddy congrats! Not my personal choice, but for hog, the idea is interesting.

One side note, I've talked with Game and Fish officers in Oregon, Arizona and New Mexico. Believe it or not, the most common weapon used to poach elk in all 3 states is... .22 long rifle. Seems eye shots from .22 kill enough elk each year to more than vouch for your buddy's .40 S&W.

I personally watched my hunting buddy put 7 rounds of 180gr from a 300 Winchester into a bull elk at ranges from 100 to 450 yards. The Bull still ran 350 yards after the last shot. When we gutted him, the heart, lungs, and liver were all destroyed. With big game(elk, bear, boar, etc.) I shoot well placed shots until it goes down. Sure you might get more one shot kills if you only shoot them once, but if your a humane hunter you won't take the chance of one shot wounding an animal you can't recover.

The rest of you need to back off. The gun did the job and evidently the guy's a descent shot. No one was hurt and the boar surely died. I'd call that a darn good hunt.

Just my $.02

[KY23]

Hey guys...Bert was really upset with all your badgering...so he wanted to go out and really see what a Glock 23 could do. Here he is after he snuck onto a neighbor's farm and shot a waterbuffalo. It took three 13 round clips to put him down but he did it. After 39 heart lung shots the beast went down. Good job Bert. Next we are going to tackle a elephant with a 9mm Glock.

Take a look:

[Apprentice]

GLOCKS RULE!!!
ROFLMAO

[KY23]

Here is another one for you spear lovers...this cape buffalo charged Bert while he was skinning his water buffalo...he killed it with his trusty spear.

Here is the pic:

[Bolo]

Originally posted by scoop

and the comment about the .40 cal being the same as the 10 mm well someone needs to study up on that a bit. [/B]

someone needs a little reading comprehension (Hooked on Phonics Anyone?) I stated the 10mm hydrashok is almosy identical to the .40 in velocity and many choose to use 10mm hydrashoks for boar. So that means both are 180 grain .40 cal. projectiles at roughly 990 fps. (I believe Ted Nugent uses 10mm hydrashoks for hogs;f ). Let me restate - I do not think the .40 is a great Hog round, but will get the job done. Understand;d

[Mike Hennigan]

Thanks for posting the info and pics -- it all adds to the knowledge base for the 40. Seems a lot of people insist on flaming you/Bert.
There are some who might have to carry a 40 and would like to know if it is a stopper.
Mike

[tastymeat]

nice shootin bert

nice shot placement, that looks like a good one shot stop to me.

um, I looked at the picture of the pig and I did not see more than one bullet hole. its easier to shoot critters when thier standing still huh.

After seeing results like that I would now consider hunting with a .40 glock.

shot placement is everything.
My hunting partner last year said he was a really great shot and that he could hit the center of a target 500 yards away all day long. so I took my friend out hunting for deer, and gave him a hi powered rifle that I had sighted in the day before. I found a deer that looked tasty and told my hunting partner to shoot it. My partner snuck up on the deer, got to within 30 yards took a prone position on the ground and waited a full 2 minutes before he decided to take the first shot. he completely missed the deer at 30 yards, perfect broadside shot too. the deer looked up, cocked its head while staring at my friend and was probably thinking to itself "whats that noise?" the deer continued to stand still while my friend waited another full minute to take the second shot from a prone position, both elbows supported, could not be a better broadside shot still 30 yards. he shot the deer in the ankle the second time. Yes, this all took place during hunting season in full daylight.

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your still reading this? cool

I grabbed the rifle from my partner, ran down the deer that was limping away and shot it in the head at close range. it was very tasty.

I tested the rifle my partner was using to see if the sights were out of adjustment, the sights were totally accurate.

I would prefer to go hunting with Bert and his glock 23 instead of Mr_bullseye_at_500_yards with a deer rifle, because it looks like Bert is a damn good shot with a handgun. (at least the first shot)

If hunters are still allowed to use those really short range, inaccurate, arc like a rainbow, see it flying to its target, critter dodges out of the way its so damn slow, bow and arrow setups for wacking forest critters, then a glock 23 has to be light years ahead in terms of range, accuracy and damage.

hey bert, can I go hunting with you this weekend?

[DAVEKO]

ky23, nice pictures, great shot placement on the hog - lung/lung. The .40 took em down. I use a .44mag with a 240 grain hand loaded Hornady xtphp and was considering going with a 10mm or .40 and you answered my consideration with that pic. I get flamed some times for hunting with a .223 for deer but for the past six years I've had nothing but one shot instant drops from 75 to 200+ yards. I do use good judgement for shot placement and if I don't have the clear shot then I don't take it. I use a Rem. 700 26" hb with a Leup. 6x18x40 tac on top. The bullets are mainly the Federal bal. tip 55 grainers or the Georgia Arms 52 grain serria boat tail hp. All of my shots are neck shots which have taken out a minimum of 3" of neck bone or more for an instant drop where they stood. With 100% one shot drops, and 100% kills in the last six years on deer from 140 to 200+ lbs field dressed it's a proven deer gun for myself. The .223 is not for everyone nor for how everyone else hunts for game.
Big diff. between hunting deer and wild boar but,
The .40 took the hog with good shot placement, the proof is laying on the ground.
Ky23,Your friend did a fine job of taking the hog with a .40, thank you for sharing your experience, I will take that information and use what I can feel comfortable with and trust myself with. (I am ready to try a .40 cal of some sort ie...10mm for starters)

[P-990]

That's pretty cool. I've haven't taken any game w/ any handguns, but Bert gives me a reason to try, cuz they DO work! I had an old time deer hunter watch me practice w/ my 990 once, and he said if I could shoot that pistol that well, no big buck was safe!;) And this guy has taken ALOT of game (he used to carry a list of each animal). Now I personally cannot use anything small than a .357 Mag here in NH (or so the rules seem to read), I would not feel undergunned w/ a snubby .357, so long as I could hit what I aimed at.
mzenzer, the difference between a human and a deer of equal weight is what your bullet MIGHT hit on the way in. Human: arms, hands, very low prob of striking a heavy bone from quarter-to-front angle. Deer: well, you can probably hit the lungs, right behind the shoulder, but if you miss a little forward, you strike heavy shoulder bones (which are on the backside of a human). Heavy bones+light bullets=stopped bullet. Bummer.:( (Forgive me if my anatomy isn't quite exact.)

[Glock You!]

Sweet cape buffalo, but don't you think the six foot spear was a little overkill? I really think the three inch blade of his swiss army knife would have been plenty of weapon to handle the job!!

LMAO!!

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[duncan]

KY23:

I was just stating my opinion towards your friend.

That's all. And everybody's got one.

You did what I would have.

Just wanted you to know that.

From a briar born north of the Ohio River in Dayton, OH.

But my grandfather graduated from Louisville Med College in 1912 so I'm not all bad.

And I make some mean burgoo!

Hatchet under the ground?

Buy you a Bud?

[KY23]

Hey...no hard feelings. Everyone has their own opinion and that is what makes the internet great...everyone gets to state their opinion.

I make some pretty good chili...

[slumpmaster]

Originally posted by MARTIN FISHER
The pig looks dead to me. Good shot too. As for the choice, it was his, he is an adult and he got the pig without getting hurt, so leave it alone already!

No kidding! I shot a black bear through the heart with a 7mm rem mag and he stood there and stared at me, so I shot again. Does this make me a poor sportsman?

[gsxr1997]

from years of hunting experience i can tell you that lung shot game will run after being hit . the next question is will you stop shooting the bad guy after the one well placed shot that you know should "put him down " or will you continue to fire as he gets closer?.........

[BuckeyePPC]

KY23,

Plan to start hog hunting here in Texas this year and will
probably use my Yugo 8mm Mauser with hunting ammo. Was thinking
of using my .357 mag for backup. You stated that your friend used a FMJ and uses that for a self defense round also.

Do you other hunters recommend FMJ or JHP for hog hunting with a handgun ? In this case in my backup .357 mag. Understand this won't be my primary hunting weapon.

Nice shot of the hog. How did it taste ?

[KY23]

BuckeyePPC,

The boar meat is great...tenderloins are the best but the ham steaks and sausage are great also...best sausage I've ever had. I'm cooking up some pork chops on Saturday...I ended up getting 110lbs of meat off that hog.

Bert used a FMJ round because he wanted penetration...he uses JHP for defense loads not FMJ. I think with a hog..and its tough hide and layers of fat you need as much penetration you can get. This is just my opinion.

[glockjeeper]

What are the regulations for handgun hunting in KY? I'm over in Ashland and also own a Glock .40, a 22. Just wondering in case I ever get to go. I've always wanted to, just need the info. Thanks!

[KY23]

The boar I was talking about was taken in Tennessee and not Kentucky.

Here is the link to a PDF of Kentucky's hunting laws and regulations..

http://www.kdfwr.state.ky.us/pdf/kyhunt.pdf

Let me know if you have any other questions..

[BKD in Texas]

Not at all surprised. The .40 will work great on game - the secret is close range and shot placement. I am currently using a .40 myself after taking lots of deer and hogs with .357 mag, 10mm, .45 ACP and on up through 44 mag.

These people who think hogs are man eating machines with cape buffalo fortitude just crack me up.

I'm just curious exactly how many limping Texans you know, Duncan, and from where? I only know one that limps from a hog gash, and he got his in a pen trying to load a big boar in a trailer!

The best hog hunter I know never got a scratch, though his dogs did, and killed most of them (several dozen to perhaps a hundred) with a Buck "General". He has a whole photo album to prove it.

Don't get on your pompous high horse and knock something, Duncan, unless you have tried it yourself. Real world experience (backed by photographic evidence in this case) counts a lot more than Monday morning keyboarding...

Take Care,
BKD

[ReflexBlade]

Nice Pic!!!
Good Shooting Bert!

A similar incident here in South Africa, as reported in "Magnum" magazine (issue and date escape me)
A farmer in Natal Province is burning sugar cane, when an angry and supposedly frightened bush pig (very similar to American boar) runs out and he draws his CZ75 .40, and hammers it five or six times from about 7m into the lung/heart area with PMP 180gr JHP's.

The animal ran some distance(?) before dying, yet according to the farmer, he was very disappointed with the terminal performance of the bullets mentioned above, lacked expansion, but most seemed to have stayed in the pig's body.

Under the right circumstances, the .40 can work, although it's mot recomended for warthog or bush pig here though- just an anecdotal report.

Reflex:)

[Quake Guy]

Noooo!!! Wilbur what happened!

Was Bert using FMJ or what? If not FMJ, their is more pentration then I would have expected.

Anyway, let me repost a topic I didn't get much input on. Please read:

I'm trying to decide on a good trail gun and whether I should keep my G23 or trade it in on a G32. I have the old frame model, so by the time I do the frame upgade and barrel purchase, I might as well just get a new one.

Anyway, I want something that gives me a chance of stopping a black bear. I don't want to hear about .454 Casulls or Linebaughs. I realize I am picking a marginal solution, just help me pick out the best marginal solution. In the end, I am much more worried about two legged predators than four legged ones.

Give me adequate penetration for penetrating a bear skull and I will take care of the rest through accuracy and lots of rounds.

I like the flat shooting .357 sig for long distance shots that may be required in the outdoors. However, I wonder if 180 grain .40 S&W just isn't a better penetrator. (I just picked up some 170 grain FMJ Fiochi which given experience with Fiochi in other calibers may be the hottest available).

I would be using FMJ rounds regardless for better penetration. Reloading is currently not an option, mostly due to time constraints.

[HydraShok]

I'd like to shoot a hog with my G30. I have heard of someone on this board killing deer with his G36.

[W. Bell]

Sometimes you get the pig,

Sometimes the pig gets you.

[CarlosDJackal]

Originally posted by noway
Why did he choose a 40S&W glock for this hunt ?

This goes back to a post a while back about using a 40s&w caliber for hunting. A total of 7 shots ( assuming all connected ) to take down a Boar. A small 357/41/44mag or 10mm caliber weapon would have been a much better choice. And all of these calibers could have done the job with "one" well place shot at 15yrds.

I put a 180-grain soft point round in .308 into a 250+ pound boar at 25 yards and it still ran 50+ yards before dropping and doing the herky-jerk. The shot was made from a 26-inch barreled rifle and hit just behind the right side shoulder (right where I was aiming). It went in at an angle because the boar had just rounded a log and was getting ready to lead his dozen or so buddies to charge me (which is one of the reasons why I shot him - the other reason is I didn't like the way he looked at me).

You can use your 357/41/44/10mm/.454 or what have you, and it is still no guarantee that you would drop a boar. On the other hand, a friend's daughter dropped a 300+ pound boar with a .243 from a tree stand. The boar was in full flight and it just roled end-over-end with that one shot.

That's why I chose to hunt a boar. At least the boar has a chance at getting you in the process.

KY23, tell your buddy: nice shot!! I might just try this with either my G30/21 or 27 the next time. ;f

Originally posted by KY23
Hey guys...Bert was really upset with all your badgering...so he wanted to go out and really see what a Glock 23 could do. Here he is after he snuck onto a neighbor's farm and shot a waterbuffalo. It took three 13 round clips to put him down but he did it. After 39 heart lung shots the beast went down. Good job Bert. Next we are going to tackle a elephant with a 9mm Glock.

Take a look:
LMFAO

[RepublicofTexas]

Man is this still a free country or what?If the guy wanted to use a bb gun have at it!If he get's his legs cut out from under him then that will be a lesson learned.From what I seen in the pics that hog was dead.He chose a .40 and it did the job,although not my choice,but my choice has nothing to do with anyone but me.I personally carry a M657 and a 450 Marlin on hog hunt's,thats what I feel I need to do the job with.Nice pics and good shooting.

[Matt@thebeach]

Go on up to the General Glocking forum and sign up for the new hunting forum. They need 50 or so people to start it up.
Matt

[TheActor]

As a hunter I'd be ashamed of any kill that needed more than 1 shot. Guess I was brought up a bit differently.

[mwelch8404]

1. IIRC (it's been years since I've seen how small you can go w/ a handgun) you can hunt "big game" here in Utah with a .38 (not +p) 158 gr. It's a ft/lb at 50 IIRC.

2. I had a friend (years ago) "rocked" - I'd say treed but he was in Southern AZ, and well, no trees. His first shot (Javelina charging) w/ an '06 richoted of the head. While he was busy scrambling up out of the way his friends got a good deflection shot and put it down.

Is a cracked skull w/ an '06 a taked down - not. It STILL chased him.

3. More deer have been killed with a .22 (cal not G22). OK. maybe this is open to debate, but this was grandpappy's opinion. I happen to think he's right.

I really like this forum. I finally retired my reeeeevolver for a G23. I'm sure sold on the Glock. I started out to get a 226 or 2340, but a friend (local LEO) kept pushing me to try a Glock. IMO: Those that bash the Glock haven't shot them.

[GlockM23]

I had a friend (years ago) "rocked" - I'd say treed but he was in Southern AZ, and well, no trees. His first shot (Javelina charging) w/ an '06 richoted of the head. While he was busy scrambling up out of the way his friends got a good deflection shot and put it down.

Is a cracked skull w/ an '06 a taked down - not. It STILL chased him.


Are you talking about Jason? If not then damn, those javalinas must do that a lot.

BTW he kept the skull from the javalina that charged him, you can see the hit, then where the bullet skipped up and gauged a line, then the hole that finally killed it.

Talk about hard heads.

Think he was using a 9mm. (The javalina charged after it was shot with a rifle)

[Peccavis]

Originally posted by Mike Hennigan
Thanks for posting the info and pics -- it all adds to the knowledge base for the 40. Seems a lot of people insist on flaming you/Bert.
There are some who might have to carry a 40 and would like to know if it is a stopper.
Mike

I agree with Mike.

...and thank God it wasn't an elk.

[BrokenArrow]

What wimps! Real men use spears, arrows, or machetes!

Real, real men use their teeth and nails, but I figure I evolved a bigger brain and thumbs for a reason... ;)

[motorhome]

I just got back from a trip out west. Met a guy name Eddie Trapp in Charleston , Texas. He is a Wild Hog Hunting Guide and his card reads kill with knife, spear, gun, or catch alive.His phone number if you don't belive me is 903-395-2162.He guarantes a hog for 100 dollars or your money back. The most interesting part of this is I ask him what he uses for back up. You guessed it a Glock 23!!!!

[Peccavis]

Originally posted by motorhome
The most interesting part of this is I ask him what he uses for back up. You guessed it a Glock 23!!!!
Very interesting... Did he say what particular ammo he used?

[motorhome]

Did not ask what kind of ammo he used in Glock 23.He did say Texas was run over with wild hogs.He took a guy out that morning the guy killed a hog with a home made bow.Took 2 hours.He did say his Glock 23 was the most reliable gun he has ever owned.He never goes without his Glock.

[duncan]

Most Glocks are fine for []backup[/b] but for primary only the G20 in 10mm or G21 with a 40Super barrel.

Otherwise, odds are, it's won't be humane.

Running and gunning after game just isn't sporting.

[sarge]

I guess I better not even show the pic of the deer I shot with the G33.....(see the neck).....(dropped in his tracks).....

http://www.bobshuntingpage.com/chris-deer31.jpg

[garys_2k]

Good shootin', Sarge. What was the range of that inhumane shot?

[sarge]

Originally posted by garys_2k
Good shootin', Sarge. What was the range of that inhumane shot?

'Bout 5 yards;f

[bruce1331]

My hunting pistol is a 45 win. mag. I really belive it will do the job for me. I have had it for manny years, Now i am getting to old to hunt damm ,what i have missed in life but there is a few thangs i still rember . oh well that is life.bruce

[kilroy2721]

I have also hunted boar in Texas. My friend and I would use .38'specials. (dumb idea, but we were younger then). The other person would be backup with a shotgun using slugs in case it was needed. And half the time the boars would not drop instantly but would take a minute or so, just like a lot of deer. There is nothing wrong with using a .40 cal. on boars as long as it is legal.

[RSAglocker]

Last year a friend of mine shot a bushpig (even stronger than your boars;f ) with his g23. We were burning an old field when it broke cover and my buddy put 3 quick shots into it from about 20m. It ran about 30m before dying. The only problem we found was the lack of expansion with the ammo. He had his defensive loads in his glock when this happened- 180gr winchester rangers. Just makes you think- if they didnt expand in the pig will they expand in a human body?-especially with their petals.

[glockandgroovin']

:rolleyes:

[mbkmkk]

Originally posted by KY23
Hey guys...Bert was really upset with all your badgering...so he wanted to go out and really see what a Glock 23 could do. Here he is after he snuck onto a neighbor's farm and shot a waterbuffalo. It took three 13 round clips to put him down but he did it. After 39 heart lung shots the beast went down. Good job Bert. Next we are going to tackle a elephant with a 9mm Glock.

Take a look:



Dude, I have tears in my eyes. That was funny. KY23 you need to get an award for that stuff. I agree tackle the elephant but I think the 9mm is over kill.;f

[glockbert]

Yep I shot that hog with a .40S&W. ;f;f;f Would I do it again? You bet your ass I would! First shot was definitely the killer. There are so many problems going on in the world now and people are getting bothered over the welfare of a hog. Silly. I appreciate everyone's positive feedback ;c and I have gained a lot of confidence in my carry gun. For everyone else, the hog didn't suffer for longer than 5-10 seconds, I promise. The water buffalo was a different story....


Bert

"from my cold, dead hands"

[Ookster]

Great shot, Bert. Fry up a sausage link for me!;f

Ookster

BTW, pretty good chuck at that water buffalo too.

Im ignorant and retardered and I cant remember if I have alzheimers but #### I aint dyslexic. Nice picture KY23 but I have to agree with Duncan, the 40 slow&weak is no hunting round. On the other hand a 10mm at longer range would perform similiar. As a side note, the late Peter Hathaway Capstick once wrote of two men in colonial Africa fullfilling a bar room bet by slaying a full size jumbo with a .22rf. Through the ear I believe and dropped instantly.

[AC37]

Glockbert: nice shooting! Your next challenge is to take the elephant with a .25...LORCIN!!! ;f ;a

And KY23: You have a great sense of humor! LMAO!!!

[EyeSpyPI]

Nice shot Bert!

I wonder, when huntin' Hogs, if its Hog Fever?

I did enjoy seeing the picture of your kill.

Jeff

[devildog88]

Hey! Who cares what caliber your buddy used, the pig is dead ain't it.Tell your buddy good job from me. SEMPER FI!

[EL RATA]

I know this is an old thread, but I just saw it tonight.

Good Job, Bert! I get a kick outta these guys who've never killed anything but a sixpack mouthing off about "one-shot" ethics!

The only sure instant stop/kill is a CNS hit.

Bullets are cheap. Gas them till they stay on the grass. I've had to shoot 150 pound whitetail three times with a .270 to make sure it wouldn't run off. And they were all heart/lung shots.

How 'bout a 405 grain lead flatnose .45/70 through the middle of a doe's heart and she runs 65 yards in thick brush? BTDT. Guess what? She had a HEALING hole in her upper neck from a 12 ga. slug!!!

Don't think FMJ is legal hunting ammo here in Tennessee, but I ain't tellin'. You and KY23 have been through enough hell cuz of that pig!

The classic question:

At what point in the game's death did the load/gun fail?

[scorn]

I agree. It does notmatter what you shoot an animal with, if it drops in 25 yards from a lung shot you did great.
You could have shot that pig with a .308 and it still probably would have dashed 25 yards with the same exact placement.


A .40 will kill a 350 pound person just fine, and we expect it to stop that man in his tracks, so why not a 200 pound pig?
Fact is, the .40 did te job fine, it dropped the animal quickly. I think people got thrown off by the fact that Bert shot follow up shots, but the first bullet did the job.