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Glock!9

03-30-2002, 06:16

Hey guys can i ask your opinion on Kimber....
I own a G19 and a G36...The 36 is nice except i dont like the shortness in the handle. I cant carry a G30 cause my hands are too small. I Love the Kimber full size CDP II. Anyone know anything about them. other than the fact that their 1,000 bucks! http://www.kimberamerica.com/CDP_Series.htm

Polo

03-30-2002, 07:12

Haven't personally owned a Kimber. But FWIW, I know of many guys who swear by their CDP. Kimber has quite a loyal following for a reason--just like Glock has--albeit on a smaller level.

RE: M1911 PRICES
I'll tell you, it was the exhorbitant prices on quality 1911s in general that turned me the other way and led me to discover the Glock. Not only is it safer, lighter weight and more reliable, but also almost as importantly, a far greater value for your money. The price difference is not a little, it's substantial [as in $100s], and that means a lot to me especially since I have to work for my money like 'most' others.

After some time, I finally turned away in disgust from 1911s and happily brought home a Glock 30 with more to come. I just can't understand investing $1000+ in a factory [hand]gun. Just doesn't make sense. On a rifle? Sure.
So I know what you're feeling.

John Browning's M1911 is still the great pistol, and I'm extremely annoyed at how the "custom makers" and tinkerers have driven up prices so much so that an equally good or better modern IMPORT pistol is half the price! ;6

;m
Sorry for the rant!

Captain Bligh

03-30-2002, 07:37

Okay, as a Kimber owner, I'll say it. If you want to shoot .45, there is no better shooting experience than a single action 1911. Kimber, IMHO, produces some of the best 1911s and some of the best .45s on the planet. Bar none. That's right. Bar none.

I don't own a Glock .45 but my son is an avid Glock 36 shooter. When he picked up my Kimber for the first time, he was amazed at his improved group size and accuracy as compared to the Glock he had been shooting for years.

I don't own a Glock .45. It would be akin to blasphemy. John Moses Browning rules.

Let the flames begin.

Randy

glock27

03-30-2002, 08:03

Go shoot a G30, much better than a G36 IMHO.

don't tread on me

03-30-2002, 09:36

Wait for Glock to come out with a fullsized single stack .45. Buy a G-30 in the meantime!!! 1911 says it all....anitique!

Polo

03-30-2002, 09:55

Originally posted by Captain Bligh

I don't own a Glock .45. It would be akin to blasphemy. John Moses Browning rules.
Randy

That's what I used to think :)
Ounce for ounce, dollar for dollar, I've come to realize Glock rules the pistol world, bar none.

I will still own a quality 1911 Kimber or Springfield some day---once my discretionary income doubles!

Besides, variety is the spice of life.

No flames needed.

OMEGA5

03-30-2002, 10:24

I don't own a Kimber but I do own a Glock model 36 and a Colt Defender. Guns are almost identical in size and weight. The Colt holds 8, the Glock 7. The Glock is the absolute in dependability. The Defender is my baby cause I'm a 1911 fan from Nam to now. The Glock will feed anything, take any kind of abuse you can dish out and fire when needed. But, I do love my Defender.

Tphipps

03-30-2002, 16:46

From my sig you can see what I own. I have a soft spot for 1911's, and love to shoot them, especialy in competition. But I exclusively carry glocks for concealed carry, mainly my 30 or as in today fishing, my 36. Great carry guns. 1911's require a bit more care, and depending on what you buy, a bit more extramarket gunsmith work. I like Kimber, but I am about to sell mine. I am keeping my Colt series 70 and my Wilson. The Kimber is sort of between the two and I don't really need it. Don't get me wrong, it is a great gun, but it just doesn't fill any particular need for me, and I have other guns that do!

Tim

scoop

03-30-2002, 19:20

i have 4 1911 style pistols 2 colts and a kimber ultra carry 3 inch barell .ill tell you the kimber is pure quality.

TimC

03-31-2002, 02:25

Hmmm...my reliable 1911s did not cost anymore than the Glocks.:rolleyes:

Jeeps

03-31-2002, 02:29

No collection is complete without one.

Just buy American...as the 1911 is totally an Amercian gun designed around an American round!

steelerfan

03-31-2002, 03:18

Originally posted by TimC
Hmmm...my reliable 1911s did not cost anymore than the Glocks.:rolleyes:

My SA Loaded has been as reliable as any of my Glocks straight out of the box. It was $650 and it also already had really good night sights on it.

I'm a fan of both designs.

Glock!9

03-31-2002, 03:21

Thanks alot guys...the one i was planning on saving for is the CDP II the Custom gun very well Refined with all the extras on it.
I love my glock but i also Love 1911 Style i am a major history buff.
Kimber is an american company isnt it? its in Yonkers NY?

Stickman

03-31-2002, 03:24

If you have never fired a quality 1911, you are missing something. It is easy to rave about Glock quality and reliablity, but you have to face that Glock will never have the smooth trigger pull of a Kimber/ 1911. That just means that everything has a trade off. I'm sitting here wearing a 1911. When I go out on duty, I wear a Glock.

Glock!9

03-31-2002, 04:31

I acctually owned a Kimber 1911 .45 but it was a run of the mill compact Kimber very heavy gun! couldnt seem to carry it...but the CDP II custom is very light and full size..
i hear people say its not safe to carry an 1911 cause of the trigger then some of the cops i know tell me Glocks are unsafe! So much info never know who to believe!

J

sooner pete

03-31-2002, 16:20

Stickman do you wear the glock on duty by choice or by policy of dept?I notice a few of the moore,okla.leo's with 1911s and it's alarge dept.I would feel very secure carring a kimber as a weapon of choice. Thanks

WalterGA

03-31-2002, 16:32

I'd absolutely trust my life to a Kimber....IF I had some way of knowing for sure that I'd never need to fire more than one round per incident!

STUMP

04-01-2002, 01:16

I have owned 3 different model 30 and every one shot fine. The problem was that they were a little chunky for my hands and my pinky was pinched between the magazine floor plate and the frame. I have always like 1911's, so I bought a Kimber Pro Carry and it is my off duty gun. It has been absolutely reliable and more accurate than any of the .45 Glocks that I own. I do like Glocks, but if I'm gonna carry a .45, it will be a 1911.

If they weren't reliable and accurate, the FBI HRT and FBI SWAT along with Delta Force wouldn't use them.

The Quiet Man

04-01-2002, 02:00

I own a Glock #33 and its a great little weapon. I also own a stainless Kimber Ultra Carry .45 This Kimber is the most accurate weapon I have ever shot. I'm simply amazed at its performance and therefore, I have been carrying it daily. But I believe in carrying the gun that fits the purpose so if I'm going fishing as is my wont, I carry a stainless 4" .357 revolver loaded with 200gr. in case I meet Mr. Black Bear. I guess it comes down to personal preference or fitting the gun to the need........

dwestfall

04-01-2002, 03:20

catfish

04-01-2002, 08:01

I own both a Glock 30 and a Kimber Stainless Classic and enjoy shooting both guns very much. The Kimber may be a little more accurate at the far end of the indoor range but I can tell no diffence at typical self defense distances. More importantly, my G30 has never jammed or stove piped and the Kimber does each of these once in a while. I've had the Kimber checked and there is nothing wrong with it according to the gunsmith. I enjoy shooting the Kimber.
When out with my family I carry the Glock.:cool:

REDDAWN

04-01-2002, 16:11

I LOVE Glocks BUT, KIMBER is my CCW choice. I'll lay my Kimber Covert beside any gun out there.

B Coyote

04-01-2002, 16:38

I have a Classic Stainless and LOVE it. It's not failed me yet. *knock on wood*

I shoot it EXTREMELY well, much better than my Glocks...especially at 15 to 25 yards.

If you have the chance to buy a 1911, do so. I doubt you'll regret it. I sure didn't.

bc

ProCarryNAustin

04-02-2002, 04:50

I guess I'll add my voice to the choir here.

I've fired 30's and 36's and they were great guns. Fairly accurate. Reliable. Durable.

Having said all that, I spent my $600 on a Pro Carry with the aluminum frame. Weighs in at 28oz unloaded. Has a trigger that breaks like a glass rod. I haven't had it that long, but it has been 100% and the accuracy is humbling to say the least. The Pro Carry is a standard grip with a 4" barrel. I like the balance of this combination. It points better for me than the full sized pistols. So far I haven't encountered a down side. My first 5 shots at the range, nestled into sandbags, at 15 yards made a hole about 1.5 inches tall and about .45 wide. I'm no marksman, but it sure made me feel good!

Daniel

04-02-2002, 13:49

Originally posted by Glock!9
Hey guys can i ask your opinion on Kimber....
I own a G19 and a G36...The 36 is nice except i dont like the shortness in the handle. I cant carry a G30 cause my hands are too small. I Love the Kimber full size CDP II. Anyone know anything about them. other than the fact that their 1,000 bucks! http://www.kimberamerica.com/CDP_Series.htm

I have a full size CDP and am very pleased with it. I've added an 18.5# Wilson Spring and a shock buff and put some better looking grips on but thats about it. The slightly heavier spring changes the recoil more to my liking and together with the shock buff keeps the battery down on the aluminum receiver (not that I'm worried about that - just an added benefit). It's been reliable and is plenty accurate. The only thing I don't like is cosmetic. Can't stand the front slide serrations... useless accessory that IMO detracts from an otherwise good looking piece. I've bought a G21 a while back, big mistake - got rid of it. I have small hands and could never get a decent grip on that pistol. The G30 has about the same grip width and I don't like the short barrel and small magazine on the G36. Oh well, picky picky, guess I'll wait until Gaston gets the .45 right...;) Until then I'll go with the 1911 when I get the Big Dawg itch.

Glock!9

04-03-2002, 00:43

thanks guys i appreciated it!
I am going to save up for the Kimber!
just had a little girl born on monday so it will be a while longer than i wanted!

ParaGlock

04-03-2002, 08:07

Originally posted by Glock!9
just had a little girl born on monday so it will be a while longer than i wanted!
What, you didn't know she was on the way? :)

-- PG

Anvil

04-04-2002, 00:47

I've shot a Kimber Gold Match, and a Colt Gold Cup Trophy. I bought the Colt. Why? no idea. But my Colt is equal to or better than any Kimber I've handled.

Kimbers for the most part don't feel right in my hands. Except the Gold Match that is.... And even then you don't get a wide trigger.

I made my choice and I'm not looking back.

ParaGlock

04-04-2002, 05:29

Considering almost any new 1911 is going to take several trips to the gunsmith for several different "operations" to make it work right, if I were going to buy a new one I'd seriously consider a Charles Daly. Hell, it's a lot cheaper than the Kimber, and if it's going to cost $200 extra to "make it right", why not start with a cheaper platform?

This is not a stab at 1911s in general (I have two), nor at Kimbers in particular, but at the "quality control" employed by most manufacturers these days. (Can't let that quality get out of hand, you know! :)) Every day I read horror stories of brand new guns not even working, and the makers continue to churn them out, because everything is about "sales" now.

-- PG

04-04-2002, 05:42

take a look at SA's new ultra compact w/a 3" barrel...i like my SA champion LW... much better than an overpriced kimber - colt - wilson ...

Glock!9

04-04-2002, 10:37

Guys to be honest i am looking for a great shooting gun but also somthing with great workmanship that will last. i want somthing to pass down to my boy and so on. If there is somthing out there with as nice a workman ship as the Kimber CDP CUSTOM II i would consider it. i also want somthing light weight. i have heard Kimber pust better parts in their Custom guns is that not true?

P-990

04-05-2002, 15:35

All I have to say about the 1911 is that is is NOT my Walther P-990. The Walther is fairly slim, reliable, accurate enough, and light. The 1911 I have handled? Reliable, accurate. My hands are small and the grip is big, and the 1911 is a BIG, HEAVY mutha. Most of the lightweights are probably more portable, but you still don't have 16 +1 rounds of power, nor do you have an ambi mag release. My pet peeve with the 1911 is that I can not remember to slide the safety off when the buzzer sounds. Otherwise, it is a great gun. As a defensive weapon, it is still only a handgun, only better than a knife, a big rock, an umbrella, etc, but NOT a shoulder arm. .45 ACP is WAY over-rated!;)

IndyGunFreak

04-08-2002, 19:41

I just bought my first 1911, a Springfield Loaded, full size. It is awesome. I have had only one feed failure in the first 400rds. Extremely accurate. Paid 630 for the Springfield. About a 100 bucks more than a Glock 30(which I was also considering).

Couldn't be happier with the Springfield.

Be safe
IGF

scoop

04-08-2002, 23:51

thats bull that its going to take a couple trips and hundreds of dollers to get a 1911 running right?bull poop.have you bought one latley ?even the lowest priced ones operate just fine out of the box.i have had 6 various 1911s,5 colts and 1 kimber and only on one of the colts (1991) i had the sear and trigger ,worked replaced,for less than 100 bucks.the other ones were just fine with the kimber being the absolut tightist.no failures of any kind.o yes i did relace grips on a gun or two.

denfoote

04-09-2002, 00:06

;2 This is the reason I carry the G36. It's an Ultra Carry size pistol that has the advantage of NOT being a 1911!!!!!!! ;N

jason10mm

04-09-2002, 01:07

Don't worry guys, once the GLock has been around as long as the 1911 and has over a dozen different manufacturers, tons of aftermarket parts of varying quality, and magazines made by everyone and their mother, the GLock will be as "unreliable" and "expensive" as the 1911. You can't compare a basic Glcok to a moderately tricked out 1911 like the CDP and expect the price to be the same. Get a base model Kimber, Colt, or SA and see how it stacks up. Then trick out your Glock with decent sights, a good trigger, and a grip modification and see if it is much cheaper than a good 1911. So far Glock users have been content to use the mushy stock trigger, cope with the fat grips, deal with the bland appearance, and tolerate the cheap plastic sights (with some exceptions). 1911 users have long been fans of all the trimmings, tailored looks, and individuality you can design into a 1911. If the "tactical" fad ever blows over, Glock is going to have to undergo some changes to still dominate the US market. I suspect they will make another glock with an external safety if there are a few more high profile "accidental glock discharges" like the philly classroom shooting, else cops will abandon it for a more moron-unfriendly gun design. LAter.

B Coyote

04-09-2002, 02:00

I love my Glocks and my 1911's. A well done 1911 is a thing of beauty, but then again, so is a box stock Glock. That's the great thing about being an American...I can have both (for now.

bc

Adam DesRosiers

04-09-2002, 20:22

Thanks for all the chatter boys.
This is a great thread. I have 4 glocks and am about to buy a kimber. Not sure wich one yet, but sounds like most folks are happy with theirs. I sort of like the EclipseII. Anybody got one?

IndyGunFreak

04-12-2002, 07:15

Just a suggestion.

Wander on over the http://www.1911forum.com and check out the Kimber Forum. Been a few issues with the Eclipse, but it is indeed a sweet shootin pistol!

Good luck
IGF

telcom911

04-17-2002, 07:56

I like my Glocks. The Kimber is a whole different level of firearms. It is like comparing an '86 Impala to a brand new Ferrari. The Impala will do everything you need to do, buyt the Ferrari will do it with style. I carry Glocks daily for work, required on and off duty. My Kimber Custom II ($765 NIB w/2mags, range time and ammo)is the gun I shoot for fun, enjoyment, and when I really want to make nice tight groups. I can not wait until I can afford a really nice CDP, Maybe after that I will try some customizing on a Glock, but they will never be a 1911, just do not have that suave, sophisticated look.

G30citizen

04-21-2002, 05:24

Great board guys!! Who changed the Big Dawgs Club to "Kimbertalk"?:rolleyes:

Seventhflt

04-21-2002, 10:04

I own 19 different 1911s, one of which is a Kimber Custom Combat Carry Model and it's my favorite duty gun right now. I even parked my Glock 21 for the Kimber. I still have my Glocks but the Kimber is the one that gets carried on duty.

7th

mike11b

04-22-2002, 04:46

I own both a Kimber Custom CDP and a Glock 36.....and I'm not bipolar!!! The Kimber has it's uses, especially since it is a lightweight full size 1911. My 36 is a "summer gun" and my carry gun when I have some clothing limitations. I love both...and both a quality tools for getting the job done.

G30citizen

04-22-2002, 09:09

I've got a 1911, but it was my grandpa's and hasn't been fired in 40+ years. I just have a G30 for the house, the car, daily carry, vacationing, camping.... ;c ;c ;f

JAYTEAM

04-22-2002, 09:35

I have to agree with steelerfan. I paid about $600 for my loaded Springfield with night sights. Team it up with my DPMS pre-ban CAR15, and I'm one Army flashback from some serious CQB.

Glockasaurus Rex

04-24-2002, 12:08

I will carry a Glock over a 1911 any day. While the trigger on my Kimber is smooth, it is also too light for self defense. That smooth trigger might be just what the doctor ordered on the firing range or in competition, but not for "real life". I would not want to have a nervous finger on a 3 lbs trigger in a life or death situation. The Glock trigger is an excellent combat trigger for that reason. There's just enough resistance to keep you from having an AD at the worst possible moment. Just think of all that happens when adrenaline hits the system; tunnel vision, aggression, etc. The Glock trigger system gives me a chance NOT to pull the trigger. Sure it's easy to talk about all the trigger safety rules, etc, while we're sitting here, cool, calm, and collected. But when the s**t hit's the fan, the last thing we need are itchy trigger fingers resting on 3lbs triggers with no "creep or over travel". Leave those "match triggers" for the matches. Give me a Glock combat trigger any day. Remember,you can't get that bullet back once you launch it. You'de better make sure you wanted it to go,and not that "the gun just went off!" Of course that's just my humble opinion. Remember the best safety is between your ears.

glockfoo2u

04-24-2002, 15:30

Bought a kimber custom in dec. I Love it I have yet to buy a gun out of the box that shot that good. the workmanship is some of the best you'll see in a off thte shelf gun.

kmrcstintn

04-25-2002, 19:35

Glock not refined, but works to spec out of box...I have a Glock 30 that has worked flawlessly. I have a Kimber ProShadow II...almost the same as the CDP...if you get a Kimber, DO NOT GET A SERIES II with the firing pin lock...it changes the entire "smooth" feel of a good stock trigger that Kimber's are known for. The grip safety is really unforgiving of you are used to a softer grip on a 1911...you have to have a death grip and sink the grip safety all the way.

:(

I'm considering a trade in on a Springfield Loaded Operator (but I'm disillusioned with them also...had a loaded Ultra Compact which had lots of extraction/ejection problems and the rear sight always loosened up)...the dealer was so appalled at the amount of problems that I had that they offered me a full refund as a trade in allowance...what did I get? Glock 30 with night sights.

Will I get another 1911??? Not really sure...what's my back up choice if I don't? Glock 21 or Glock 34. They're ugly, they're double action only, they're not refined...but they work out of the box to spec without return trips to the factory or to gunsmiths for "tuning"

Glock!9

04-26-2002, 10:58

Well guys i got the Kimber CDP II i love it. such a beautiful gun.
its just as smooth if not more than my old standard kimber was. dont know why you would think the II isnt as smooth?

anyway thought i would tell ya. still carry the G19 for now.

J

mike11b

04-29-2002, 00:48

have fun with it....and people say it's impossible to fall in love with inanimate objects....

telcom911

04-29-2002, 01:35

Originally posted by P-990
accurate enough,

My Kimber is much more accurate then me. I can hit 3 inch groups at the 25 fairly reliably, the reason those are not one inch groups is completely the shooters fault.

I always like to make the comparison that if my Glocks were Chevy's, that my Kimber Custom would by a Ferrari. While the Glock is a great working gun, there is absolutely no comparison with a Kimber, none.

Expensive, not really that bad, my custom was $780, including leather, 250 rnds, and a spare mag, and range time. That is not much more then a nem Glock would have cost. Of course a Kimber can get alot more expensive when you start staking on options, but you can bet if Glock offered those options the cost would be comparable.

The 1911 pistols are just coming into their own, the Browning design was at least a century ahead of what the manufactures where making at the time,(not just my opinion) The new 1911 style pistols are just starting to become what Browning envisioned on paper. It is the manufacturing process, not the design that needed tweaking, and Kimber got it right.

While after market options to your Kimber are available, the gun needs no improvement. Out of the box mine outshoot every handgun I have ever fired, that includes some very expensive competition guns, I understand some guns need tweaking out of the factory, but I have never heard of anyone having problems with Kimber customer service.

Everyone should own one of these (just my opinion). It is the ultimate American gun firing the quintessential American round. This gun does not compromise, it does not fudge. Pure quality, I love mine and you will not regret owning one.

To learn more about URL=http://www.1911forum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=27]Kimber[/URL] : check out this link.

Link did not work, that is frustrating, just try www.1911forum.com

Unicron

04-29-2002, 07:26

Originally posted by kmrcstintn
I'm considering a trade in on a Springfield Loaded Operator (but I'm disillusioned with them also...had a loaded Ultra Compact which had lots of extraction/ejection problems and the rear sight always loosened up)...the dealer was so appalled at the amount of problems that I had that they offered me a full refund as a trade in allowance...what did I get? Glock 30 with night sights.

kmrcstintn,

Are you a "1911forum" member?

All,

Yep...I just bought a 1911 myself (Springfield Armory - Loaded Operator):

http://unicron.150m.com/pix/operator009.JPG
http://unicron.150m.com/pix/operator007.JPG

I love the 1911, but I will still put a whole lot more trust in my glocks.

With my new 1911 (my 1st one)...the rear sight screw was comming loose within the first 100 rounds, but I fixed that with some loctite. Also, I have a feeding problem with the last round in the magazine...it has locked up 10 times in 240 rounds. Alot of 1911 familiar persons has told me that there is a 500 round break in period...where the gun should "slick up" as I put more range time in it. I hope this is so!

asp

04-29-2002, 10:31

I have a G30 and a Kimber Ultra Carry. Obviously, both are excellent firearms. Although the G30 is a much milder shooter, I've found the trade-offs to be primarily size (width) and capacity. Of all the Glock models I've owned, the 30 is easily my favorite, but that little Kimber sure rides easy in a SmartCarry during shorts and t-shirt weather. When it's hot, thin is in.

shooter45

04-29-2002, 10:41

I have a Custom CDP II and love it very accurate too. I also love my Glocks. Matter of fact I am picking up my G17 NIB friday. Cant wait. But back to the Kimber it is a great gun I also own the Pro Eclipse.
But I like the CDP better.:cool:

Glider

04-30-2002, 12:35

Never shot a Kimber, but have had a Colt Combat Commander since 1978, had a Para P-13 (till the aluminium frame cracked.... bummer. It was a shooter) and also have a Colt CCO, the original one that came like it was from a custom shop. Seriously like the 1911--nothing beats a tuned SA trigger pull. Still shoot the Colts in IDPA. In my mind, the 1911 has a mystique to it, much like the Harley does for some or big old round recip's on aircraft do for others--all are simply classics, and always will be. If I had to have only one handgun, no question in my mind it would be my first 1911, my Colt Combat Commander. But that said.... gotta admit for day to day carry here in sunny Florida, I've gone to the Glock 30 or Glock 36. The trigger is just plain ugly compared to my Colts, but as fast. For my purposes, accuracy differences between the Colts and Glocks pretty much don't matter. Slow, any of them shoot better than I do. Fast and close, both give at least salad plate (read "COM Chest size") groups. And for a carry gun, I'm thinking close and fast, not long range, precise handgun-sniper work... I can carry against my skin and slime my Glocks and I'll never worry about them. And if I drop it in sand, or mud, or on rocks--so what? It's a Glock. No emotional attachment here--it a tool, it's utilitarian, and it shoots everytime I pull the trigger. It ain't a classic, but it suits the purpose with reliability and power; and is very carry-friendly. But for anyone carrying a 1911 for concealed carry, I understand 100%, did the same myself for a few years, drive on... stay in Condition Yellow.

cowpuncher/pi

05-02-2002, 12:15

Greetings
I own two 1911's. A kimber polymer full size and a Gunsite GSP 2000.
For 1138.00 you can own the GSP 2000. It comes with novak nitesights
is rounded for carry, 3 eight round mags, will shoot anything. I have had no problems. The kimber had none of the above at purchase. The GSP has a lifetime warranty and when you wear off the blue they will
redo for nothing but shipping. highly recommended! Better shooter than any kimber for the same money.

ryucasta

05-03-2002, 11:58

In my opinion Glock’s make great carry guns and hold their own well in IDPA competition. But in the world of IPSC Limited/Limited 10 competition they just don’t cut it when they are in a stock configuration.

It’s extremely unfortunate that there are very few competent Glock gunsmiths available like Matt at Custom Glock that really know how to tune a trigger because if their where more like him then its quite possible that Glock’s would also rule in that space.

The reason I state that, is because here in California we are limited as to the kind of gun we can purchase fortunately Glock’s always make the list and it has been my personal experience, that tuning a Glock to the same level of performance as a 1911-Limited/Limited 10 gun is actually lower cost proposition.

http://justice.hdcdojnet.state.ca.us/safeguns/safeguns_new.taf

Anyway that’s my 2 cents

duncan

05-03-2002, 18:10

You guys have convinced me to now look at Kimber!

Was at the range shooting my G21 and took a break.

Next thing I know, I had a Kimber Classic Target blued with adjustable target sights in my hand. Tag was $699. Really liked its feel, thin grip, and the weight.

Now is that a good target 1911 for a guy that doesn't want to completely bust the bank but wants a 1911?

And what is the deal with the raves about the CDPs and Ultra Carry's?

Tell me why the extra bucks are worth it.

Both are beautifully crafted with night sights and rounded edges. but what about they accuracy compared to a larger 1911.

I want a larger frame and longer barrel for accuracy purposes. Which Kimber for sheer range fun?

Texas_Preacher

05-04-2002, 09:09

Originally posted by don't tread on me
Wait for Glock to come out with a fullsized single stack .45. Buy a G-30 in the meantime!!! 1911 says it all....anitique!

Puhlease....

Glocks are nice weapons, I realy like mine. Light, dependable and inexpensive. They are NOT the be-all and end-all of weapons.

I own several 1911's and I do not have problems with any of them. Colt screwed the pooch when they sat on their... er... laurels and let production quality decline. When companies like Kimber picked up the baton and ran with it, it gave the entire industry a shot in the arm.

I would trust my life to every one of my 1911's, and have.

Texas_Preacher

05-04-2002, 09:10

Originally posted by Captain Bligh
I don't own a Glock .45. It would be akin to blasphemy. John Moses Browning rules.

Let the flames begin.

Randy

No flames, you aren't bright enough to understand them. WHy post in a Glock .45 forum if you don't have anything to contribute?

Go get your jollies elsewhere.

Captain Bligh

05-04-2002, 16:57

No flames, you aren't bright enough to understand them. WHy post in a Glock .45 forum if you don't have anything to contribute? Go get your jollies elsewhere.

Preacher, it's a public forum and a free country. Read the topic. I didn't post to an inquiry about a Glock .45. I posted to a thread entitled, "1911 .45?" The original poster asked about 1911s in general and a Kimber in particular. I own a Kimber and felt I had something to contribute.

I won't insult your intelligence as you did mine. But, I will say your post was hateful, mighty unfriendly, and unwelcoming--to say nothing of being off-topic.;L

Randy

Texas_Preacher

05-05-2002, 00:02

Originally posted by Captain Bligh

Preacher, it's a public forum and a free country. Read the topic. I didn't post to an inquiry about a Glock .45. I posted to a thread entitled, "1911 .45?" The original poster asked about 1911s in general and a Kimber in particular. I own a Kimber and felt I had something to contribute.

I won't insult your intelligence as you did mine. But, I will say your post was hateful, mighty unfriendly, and unwelcoming--to say nothing of being off-topic.;L

Randy

Hmm.... Off topic? Perhaps. I guess that would be open to interpretations, being that you did openly invite flames. Perhaps you don't see the dichotomy there....

The insult was a childish and for that I apologize. Your response to the original post was blatant baiting, off-topic and immature. I responded in kind and I should have known better.

That old saw about heat and kitchens come to mind.

mike11b

05-06-2002, 00:27

Duncan-

The Kimber CDP is a production pistol made in their Custom shop. The CDP stands for Custom Defense Pistol. Kimber makes them in all four sizes - Custom CDP (5"), Pro CDP (4"), Compact CDP (3.5"), and Ultra CDP (3"). I own the full size. What they give the consumer is many of the "after-market" add-ons for a carry gun(front and back strap stipling, polished throating for better feeding of ammo, carry bevel treatment [rounding off the "sharp edges"}, meprolight tritium night sights) as stock additions. the difference between the CDP, and say the Eclipse line, is the fact that the frame is aluminum, making the weapon lighter. This is the main reason why I chose the full size...as an all day carry pistol, I didn't want to feel like I had an anvil IWB. For me, the CDP is a tack driver....I love the accuracy. I carry a Glock 36 too.

Texas_Preacher

05-08-2002, 04:03

Originally posted by ParaGlock
Considering almost any new 1911 is going to take several trips to the gunsmith for several different "operations" to make it work right,

:rolleyes: Yeah... right. ANYWAY....

Originally posted by apollyon
take a look at SA's new ultra compact w/a 3" barrel...i like my SA champion LW... much better than an overpriced kimber - colt - wilson ...

I have one that I like alot... reliable and as acurate as my G30. This is not the lightweight model, it is the original all steel one that I bought when they first came out back in 95? 96?

http://www.bastaards.org/Misc/Pictures/Springfield_UC.JPG

ParaGlock

05-08-2002, 06:36

Wow, you must be bored, digging up stuff posted that long ago... Or just looking for trouble?

In any case, I happen to own two different 1911s. I have nothing against the pistol design. My comment has more to do with current QA/QC procedures at most of the big manufacturers, not with problems inherit to the pistol.

If you actually take the time to look through posts here (does anyone actually do that?) you'll find all the manufs. are turning out high numbers of lemons, and hoping that their Customer Service depts clean up the mess. So yeah, if you're looking at any new pistol (except a Glock, maybe :) <- that's a smiley, indicating a joke) you should be thinking about the quality of the individual piece.

FWIW, I managed to get a new pistol in good condition this past weekend: A Ruger Vaquero. Had to look at three before I found one I resonated with, though.

-- PG

Billman

05-12-2002, 06:04

FWIW, I have a Glock 21, an HK USPf .45, and a SA Loaded Operator.

I've put a few thousand rounds through the Glock and have never had a jam of any kind. After 900 rounds through the Springfield Armory, I've had about 20 failure-to-feeds. Ok, that's just my limited personal experience.

But if you read through the General Glocking posts, you might find one or two people per week that post as having a jam with their Glock. And it's usually something like "after 5000 rounds, I finally had a jam".

Now go over to 1911forum.com and you'll find multiple posts every day about someone having to send a gun back, or having feeding problems, or ejection problems, etc.

Add that up over time and I don't see how anyone could feel that an out-of-the-box 1911 is as reliable as the same condition Glock 21.

Having said that, I really like my Loaded Operator now that I got the extractor adjusted and it's running good. But I would be seriously ignorant to use that gun to possibly defend my life when I have a Glock 21 available. Accuracy and great triggers are nice, but what could be more important than reliability in a defensive pistol?

Texas_Preacher

05-12-2002, 06:33

I guess I am just spoiled.... out of all the 1911's I have owned, the only one that gave me any problems is the Springfield Ultra Compact.

The UC was so tight when new that after 50 rounds or so, I would start to have FTRTB problems because of gunpowder residue. I replaced the recoil spring with a heavier model and then went back to the original after 500 rounds. Never a problem since.

Even my new cheap pistol, the Rock Island Armory has been 100% reliable with 5 different brands of magazine and 6 different bullet manufacturers. I have been throwing everything I could at this little pistol and it has performed like a champ. The only down side is that it is not as accurate out of the box as my Springfields or my Kimber, but it matches my Glock in group size etc.

Like I said, maybe I am just spoiled.. or lucky. I just hate to see uninformed people taking potshots at a pistol. I defend the Glocks against the ignorant "it's dangerous and has no safety" crowd and I have defended the "1911's are unreliable and old" people as well.

Billman

05-12-2002, 08:30

Texas_Preacher, just so I'm clear as to what you're saying...if you went to the gunshow today and bought a new Glock 21, and a new base model Kimber or Springfield, and put 1,000 rounds through both guns, you would expect them to be equally reliable?

(I'll admit to being ignorant about 1911 style guns. But I'm not ignorant in general, so my opinions are open to change.)

jasonvp

05-13-2002, 00:03

Originally posted by Billman
if you went to the gunshow today and bought a new Glock 21, and a new base model Kimber or Springfield, and put 1,000 rounds through both guns, you would expect them to be equally reliable?

I think on average (note the emphasis) the low-mid range priced 1911s aren't going to be as reliable as the Glocks will be. That's not to say they're horrible when it comes to reliability. I just don't think they're as reliable.

But, they'll outshoot a Glock with any ammo, in any shooter's hands. If anyone thinks otherwise, they are sorely delusional.

The key to a 1911 that's both tack-driving accurate AND as reliable as a Glock is $$. That's unfortunate, but for the most part, I believe it's true.

I have three Les Baer 1911s in my safe at home. Every single one of them has been 100% more accurate AND reliable than any of my Glocks. Why? Baer takes the time to tune his 1911s for feed and extracting reliability. He does this while maintaining the pistol's 3-inch-group@50yd grouping. Should you want one that can do 1.5 inch groups, he can do that too. All in a pistol that's just as reliable as a Glock.

It is because of this worked-in accuracy and reliability that I carry one of my Baers under a tucked-in shirt; as opposed to one of my Glocks.

jas

Texas_Preacher

05-13-2002, 01:48

Originally posted by Billman
Texas_Preacher, just so I'm clear as to what you're saying...if you went to the gunshow today and bought a new Glock 21, and a new base model Kimber or Springfield, and put 1,000 rounds through both guns, you would expect them to be equally reliable?

(I'll admit to being ignorant about 1911 style guns. But I'm not ignorant in general, so my opinions are open to change.)

I won't say that.. I would expect the Glock (in THIS situation) to be more reliable than the Series II Kimber.

If I went to a gunshow this weekend, bout an original Kimber Custom and G21, I would expect the reliability to be the same. I have owned 2 of the originals and they have both been flawless, just like my G30.

Look guys, I like Like and own Glocks and I am NOT knocking them. They are the most revolutionary pistol to come down the pike since JMB stopped designing. My whole point was not to malign the Glock, but to put shut to the idea that the 1911 is inherently flawed and that every 1911 sufferes failures on a regular basis. That stereo-type is more overused than the "no-safety Glock" one.

Billman

05-13-2002, 04:18

I agree with what both of you said.

I would think that an out of the box Kimber or Springfield is more likely to need some type of tweeking to be as reliable as a Glock. I mean, there's a reason that every 1911 gunsmith offers a "reliability package".

kshutt

05-13-2002, 11:04

I'll take a Glock 21 over anything Kimber has to offer! I even choose my G21 over my Wilson 1911. The Wilson is twice the gun that Kimber has to offer. So, I guess that should answer your question.

shooter45

05-15-2002, 11:27

Just picked this one up yesterday. Better than my Kimber thats for sure.. Les Bear Concept VII

:cool:

http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/Shooter45/LBaer.jpg

ParaGlock

05-15-2002, 11:35

Hawkman

05-17-2002, 03:29

I strayed to the dark side and traded my Glock 30 for a beautiful Kimber Pro CDP. Put on a pair of slim grips, slid it into my Milt Sparks Executive Companion, and I was good to go.

Shot it for a few weeks, trigger felt great, accuracy was as good as I could do. Then - I got to missing my Glocks. So on a whim, I rented a 21 one day and shot it side by side with the Kimber. NO CONTEST! Glock won hands down - blew the center out of the bullseye in a noticeably tighter group than the Kimber, plus I had faster followups.

Still have the Kimber, but it's for "show". For "go", put away that stainless sissy pistol and get yourself a Glock!;f

ryucasta

05-22-2002, 10:44

My experience with Kimber handguns has not been positive. If you’re in the market for a 1911 I would recommend a Para-Ordnance, STI or SV. The SV and STI would be like a Mercedes Benz, Para-Ordnance a Buick Park Avenue and the Kimber would be more in tune with a Geo.

The Following P14 has a Tungsten Bull Barrel, Tungsten Guide rod and a 1.5 pound trigger just to name a few of its features total cost was slightly over $1,800.00 two years ago.

But if you really want something that’s reliable and not temperamental just buy a G21 and have Matt at Custom Glock work on it for you you’ll never regret it.

ProCarryNAustin

05-23-2002, 03:35

ryucasta

I have had the chance to handle and fire several Para Ordinance pistols as well as several Kimbers. In all the samples I have worked with, Para Ordinance fit and finish is not as good as Kimber. Accuracy is close, but the Kimber was better in this regard as well. I think most Kimber issues are due to cheap magazines (which they ship with the pistols) and the fact that they are a tightly built gun and require some shooting to break them in.

Daniel
Austin, Texas

ryucasta

05-23-2002, 04:07

ProCarry,

I won’t disagree with regards to the Para-Ordnance QA that’s always been one of their problems. When purchasing one I have taken delivery and sent it directly to my gunsmith to customize since I only use them for IPSC Limited competition and here in California we can’t buy frames any longer.

My negative experiences with Kimber was several years ago and it was with their handguns and rifles. Now things might have changed since then but the experience left a bad taste in my mouth and my wallet.