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A_Fletcher
06-18-2007, 18:27
If you active duty, reserve or retired Army Vets had a son (If you don't already) which MOS would you recommend for them and why?

Bren
06-19-2007, 05:48
Originally posted by A_Fletcher
If you active duty, reserve or retired Army Vets had a son (If you don't already) which MOS would you recommend for them and why?
I'd probably recommend they finish college and get a commission.

Are you asking for yourself? Some people might recommend a boring but safe MOS for their son (finance, administrative specialist or human resources), or else one with some real-world application (finance, human resources, computer stuff, etc.). On the other hand, for myself, I wouldn't go near a job like that for twice the pay. I am a 13B (cannon crewman) currently enlisted in the Army Reserve as a drill sergeant candidate, but considering reenlisting for cavalry scout or infantry (National Guard), depending on how things look for promotion, drill sergeant school, bonuses, etc.

A_Fletcher
06-19-2007, 10:30
Originally posted by Bren
I'd probably recommend they finish college and get a commission.

Are you asking for yourself? Some people might recommend a boring but safe MOS for their son (finance, administrative specialist or human resources), or else one with some real-world application (finance, human resources, computer stuff, etc.). On the other hand, for myself, I wouldn't go near a job like that for twice the pay. I am a 13B (cannon crewman) currently enlisted in the Army Reserve as a drill sergeant candidate, but considering reenlisting for cavalry scout or infantry (National Guard), depending on how things look for promotion, drill sergeant school, bonuses, etc.


Yes Sir, I am asking for myself. My life that I had planned took a big old crap and I can't find anything else that I can do.

Back to the topic lol. I was looking long and hard at Cav Scout. I know that if I went up to the recruiter and talked to him about it he'd say something like "Oh yeah! Chuck Norris started his career as a cav scout! You get all of these nifty toys! You get all the women and beer you want! Man, you can't kick them out of your way! Have you ever seen German women? Shoo--eee, you wouldn't believe it!" That's not what I want however, I want someone that's been there and done that that'll say "There were parts that sucked, like painting Humvees or having to go out to train and radio'ing in the LT's car (or something to that effect) but overall it was something I enjoyed and would do again." Or "Naw man, that sucked so bad I don't know why I ever enlisted to do something like that! The bugs bite your ass so bad that there won't be anything left and German women smell like month old baked in the sun runny dookie."

Thank you for your words, I appreciate the help!

md2lgyk
06-19-2007, 10:48
I'm retired military (though not Army). There are simply too many variables to answer your question. Just like society in general, the Army has all types of jobs: doctors, lawyers, police, firemen, truck drivers, plumbers, accountants, musicians, cooks, pilots, etc. etc. etc. It just depends on your aptitude and what you want to do.

For myself, I was in maintenance. You couldn't have paid me enough to be admin or HR, but that's just me.

Bren
06-19-2007, 14:11
Originally posted by A_Fletcher
Yes Sir, I am asking for myself. My life that I had planned took a big old crap and I can't find anything else that I can do.

Back to the topic lol. I was looking long and hard at Cav Scout. I know that if I went up to the recruiter and talked to him about it he'd say something like "Oh yeah! Chuck Norris started his career as a cav scout! You get all of these nifty toys! You get all the women and beer you want! Man, you can't kick them out of your way! Have you ever seen German women? Shoo--eee, you wouldn't believe it!" That's not what I want however, I want someone that's been there and done that that'll say "There were parts that sucked, like painting Humvees or having to go out to train and radio'ing in the LT's car (or something to that effect) but overall it was something I enjoyed and would do again." Or "Naw man, that sucked so bad I don't know why I ever enlisted to do something like that! The bugs bite your ass so bad that there won't be anything left and German women smell like month old baked in the sun runny dookie."

Thank you for your words, I appreciate the help!

All of that is true, bad and good. Take a look at the military.com forums and you'll find that both Cavalry Scout as an MOS and Germany are held in pretty high regard. If you want some high speed training and assignments, cavalry scout is hard to beat without going to a Ranger Bn or something. On the other hand, Infantry probably gives you the most opportunities to do cool stuff (i.e., there aren't many airbornee cavalry units if you want to go airborne).

Yes, there are parts that suck, no matter what you do in the Army - painting vehicles hardly qualifies as one of those parts. Spending a week in the field in Germany in January, where the ground is frozen so hard 30 ton howitzers can't dig their spades into it, with no fire or heat of any kind, sucks (that was my first field exercise in the army) but that's part of being a soldier.

Germany, on the other hand, is the greatest place I've ever been and it would be worth enlisting just for the chance to go there.

A_Fletcher
06-19-2007, 14:18
Originally posted by Bren
All of that is true, bad and good. Take a look at the military.com forums and you'll find that both Cavalry Scout as an MOS and Germany are held in pretty high regard. If you want some high speed training and assignments, cavalry scout is hard to beat without going to a Ranger Bn or something. On the other hand, Infantry probably gives you the most opportunities to do cool stuff (i.e., there aren't many airbornee cavalry units if you want to go airborne).

Yes, there are parts that suck, no matter what you do in the Army - painting vehicles hardly qualifies as one of those parts. Spending a week in the field in Germany in January, where the ground is frozen so hard 30 ton howitzers can't dig their spades into it, with no fire or heat of any kind, sucks (that was my first field exercise in the army) but that's part of being a soldier.

Germany, on the other hand, is the greatest place I've ever been and it would be worth enlisting just for the chance to go there.


Dude, if there was a way to swing it I'd have your favorite pizza place deliver a pizza and a 6 pack of your favorite beer (assuming you were of age, if not I'd spring for some pop and a bag of chips to go with it)! That was perfect and is exactly what I was looking for! Thank you so much for your help!

Currahee
06-19-2007, 17:07
A_Fletcher - I've never been a Cav Scout but I was posted to Ft. Carson so I've met a few. And I've spent some time in Germany so I can tell you it is a great place.

If you are serious about signing up, make sure you post about that on a popular military forum or in the General Non-Glocking forum here. It is really important to get good advice on dealing with your recruiter and the whole process or you WILL get screwed. I am happy to give you my opinions if you PM me.

I think it's great that you want to sign up and serve, my time in the Army (got out last year) was the most challenging and rewarding time of my life. I got alot out of it, so if it's something you want to do go for it - just be smart about it!

Take care

Biscuitsjam
06-19-2007, 18:04
Our unit is transitioning to being cav scouts from being tankers. We're still in an early stage and I'm not even MOS-qualified yet, so I won't even presume to tell you what its like.

Tanks are a heck of a lot of fun. It just gives you a thrill of power to be on those things. The main gun and coax machinegun are stabilized with a really fancy targetting computer. You can do donuts on uneven terrain and still hit a moving target at unbelievable distances. They start and stop on a dime (with no seatbelts, that can be painful), and can traverse some seemingly impossible terrain (and then get stuck where you think they couldn't...). The machineguns up top are fun, and I loved being able to go on patrol or on a training exercise without having to carry any of my gear on my back. In Iraq, we hooked up an MP3 player through the intercom and a snowcone maker to a power inverter.

On the other hand, it is extremely hot (no A/C plus no airflow inside plus hot hydraulics), and the loud noises cause a lot of hearing loss. It is also very easy to injure yourself with all the moving parts or engine fires. Tankers spend more hours per day on maintenance than they do on patrol and often have longer days than other units. Also, since they are smaller units, junior soldiers get called up on details more often. A lot of guys are glad to be off tanks just because they won't have to do so much manual labor to keep them running.

A tank is a personal heater - 800 degree exhaust keeps you warm in the coldest winters and makes it easy to cook food.

A tank is a good place to sleep out of the mud, and the back deck stays warm from engine heat on cold nights.

With a tank, your weapon carries you, not the other way around.

A tank is also impossible for the enemy to take out in Iraq or Afghanistan.

A tank carries several times as much ammo as an infantry platoon.

Personally, I liked tanks and wish we could keep them. In some ways, it was the easiest job in the world, operating as part of a team, but in others, it was always challenging and rewarding. I loved the challenge of operating them, the firepower at our fingertips, and the simple joy of making things go boom. Cavalry Scouting will be an exciting challenge also, and I'm looking forward to it.

Good luck whatever you choose.

Currahee
06-19-2007, 18:58
I might add to that:

An M1 tank is hard to knock out, but if it is unbuttoned (which it often is), crewmembers are often hurt or killed by small arms fire, grenades, IEDs etc. While buttoned up, mines can kill crew members. In Iraq, the tank company attached to us took just as many casualties as the infantry companies.

As a cav scout, you will most likely be in a Bradley. A Bradley is still relatively hard to knock out, but they can be destroyed and the crew members killed even while buttoned up. Personally I always breathed a sigh of relief when I was in the back of a Brad on the MSR, it feels alot safer than a Humvee or an M113.

So there is a real risk with armored vehicles, but they ARE safer than a Humvee. Personally I always felt safer dismounted than in any kind of vehicle, because I felt like the fight was on our terms. In a vehicle you are basically blind and it is easier for the enemy to engage you and you have no idea where the fire is coming from. Dismounted it is much easier to ID the threat and manuever on them.

Another thing is that mounted troops sometimes develop a "death before dismount" mentality that hurts them. Operating in vehicles means you often are restricted to berm roads and the like where you are funneled into the enemy's attacks. Your movements are more predictable and so you'll get hit with a lot of IEDs and ambushes that dismounted troops simply avoid.

The possibility of being hurt or killed in combat or in an accident while on deployment is definitely something to be aware of, but it shouldn't be the main factor in your decision. If you've always wanted to be a soldier, then you will regret it later in life if you didn't have the balls to sign up and see if you have what it takes. On the other hand, if you are not sure and aren't really committed then don't sign up. You will giving up all of your personal freedom and go through some really tough times, so you really have to want to be there.

Biscuitsjam
06-20-2007, 01:59
Our cav scout troop is going to be "motorized" with humvees. The other cav troop nearby was told that they are getting boats, although I don't know if that will happen. And, as already mentioned, there are "mechanized" (bradley) units, and at one time, we were supposed to get the Armored Support Vehicle (though I don't know if any cav units ended up with them). All the cav units have similar functions, but there can be some pretty big differences too.

The same is true of all MOSs, to greater or lesser extents. All tankers do pretty much the same thing (although the Stryker is now included in that MOS - and some tankers are in cav units instead of straight armor units), but Military Police, and especially Combat Engineers, can be pretty highly specialized.

Currahee
06-20-2007, 04:35
If there's a chance of being assigned to a Humvee as a Cav Scout, then go with either armor or infantry. F--- riding in a Humvee. That's the worst of both worlds.

fxdwngflyr
06-20-2007, 06:20
UAV driver.

New MOS and needs to be filled. Good opportunity for work with the NSA and CIA.

Biscuitsjam
06-20-2007, 10:52
Originally posted by Currahee
If there's a chance of being assigned to a Humvee as a Cav Scout, then go with either armor or infantry. F--- riding in a Humvee. That's the worst of both worlds. We were supposed to get a shipload of those Armored Support Vehicles while we were still in Iraq. Everything was sitting at the port in New Orleans when Katrina hit - damaged a lot of vehicles and shut down the Louisiana factory... We never got the ASV. If we had, we'd probably be an ASV unit now, of whatever MOS that would be. Instead, we get humvees.

Humvees suck, but I'd rather be in one than a M113 or Marine LAV. All of our training so far has been dismounted stuff, but I suspect we'll be patrolling in humvees if we get sent back over. I've thought about transfering to the other armory near here - river patrol sounds pretty neat. A lot of stuff is still up in the air with the whole tank -> cav transition though, so it isn't clear whether they'll actually get those boats in the end.

Some of that "Death Before Dismount" stuff you say about tanks is true, but the big reason behind that is a lack of manpower instead of a mindset thing. A two-tank patrol only has 6-8 guys on it, and you need to leave at least 4 of those guys behind to watch the tanks if you dismount. How much can you really do with 2-4 people on the ground? As a tanker, I only dismounted from my tank on a handful of missions - we'd normally bring other guys with us or call for them if we needed dismount troops. Being confined to the roads isn't great, but the tank's optics let you see insurgents off-road pretty well, and the armor provides some nice protection.

Also, it is important to note that many (most?) tankers are deploying to Iraq/Afghanistan without their tanks. Out of the 44 tank crews in my battalion, only 14 went with tanks - the rest were retrained as "dragoons" (basically motorized infantry). We met a lot of other tankers over there, who were likewise not on tanks.

nothing
06-20-2007, 13:23
I've spent time in Cav and Infantry so I can talk about both. Scouts roll in 3 primary configurations now. If you are in a Stryker BCT your platoon will have 4 Strykers. I have had very limited hands on with strykers, most of it was at the Scout Leaders Course at Ft. Knox. They were fast, quite, low profile and great optics. I don't know how well they will take a hit from an IED, but it has to be better than the M1114's I rolled with in Iraq.

If you are assigned to a Heavy BCT your platoon will have 3 Bradleys and 5 HMMWVs. This is the configuration I currently use. We have a HQ section with 2 HMMWVs and then 3 sections with a bradley and HMMWV in each. The bradly provides overwatch while the HMMWV's move forward.

If you are in an Infantry BCT you will roll with 6 HMMWVs.

As far as MOS goes, I love combat arms. I get to do stuff I could never do in the civilian world. Before you decide on an MOS ask yourself what are your goals? If you want something that transitions to a civilian job then combat arms is probably a waste of your time. In that case you should decide what you enjoy, electronics, computers, desk jobs, mail, personnel etc.

If you want the chance to do things you can't do anywhere else like blow stuff up, shoot lots of weapon systems, push yourself physically then Combat Arms is the way to go. Now you just have to decide on what CA MOS you want.

Biscuitsjam
06-20-2007, 14:06
Just a couple clarifications:
1. I don't know if that unit near me will actually get boats. That's what they were told, but so many things are up in the air with the tank -> cav transition that nobody really knows.
2. I don't know if we'd actually be a cav unit if we'd have gotten those Armored Support Vehicles. We might have transitioned to another MOS if we had received them.

Nothing, do you know how the Stryker cav units work? My understanding is that the crew is made up of 19K (tankers) and the dismounts are 19D (cav scouts).

I don't know a whole lot about the cavalry yet. This whole transition thing is a little messy and it'll be a year before I even go to MOS school.

Currahee
06-20-2007, 16:55
From what I've heard, Strykers can take an IED hit pretty well compared to a Humvee. The guys I've talked to who have fought over there told me that they love them.

To the OP - deciding on an MOS (especially the whole combat arms vs non-combat arms thing) will make a huge difference in your Army experience. Combat arms is a whole seperate world and culture. Think hard about why you are joining. If it is to blow stuff up, then you want combat arms. Job skills, you want non-combat arms.

Sam White
06-20-2007, 17:54
When I was in the Army I was on the opposite end of the spectrum from Currahee. I was in a REMF MOS. Currahee is right in what he says. If you join for a skill or a career field looking for something like a civilian job you will not like combat arms. Likewise if you're the hooah type you will hate being in a support type unit. We had some former 11B's in my NBC unit who ragged on the unit non-stop for being pogues.

nothing
06-21-2007, 09:52
Biscuitsjam: From what I've seen 19D's crew Strykers. It's kind of an odd setup to begin with. The crew consists of a driver, gunner and VC. The VC rides in the rear left hatch. I would have thought it would be more like the old M113 set up where the VC is the gunner.

I think a lot of the confusion comes from the old Cav regiments with M1's and Bradleys. The M1s were crewed by 19K and the Brads were 19Ds. The 19D's are the "real" scouts.

Biscuitsjam
06-21-2007, 10:18
Originally posted by nothing
Biscuitsjam: From what I've seen 19D's crew Strykers. It's kind of an odd setup to begin with. The crew consists of a driver, gunner and VC. The VC rides in the rear left hatch. I would have thought it would be more like the old M113 set up where the VC is the gunner.

I think a lot of the confusion comes from the old Cav regiments with M1's and Bradleys. The M1s were crewed by 19K and the Brads were 19Ds. The 19D's are the "real" scouts. Several of the 19K guys in my MOS class were sent off to learn how to operate Strykers, so that's why I was asking. On the other hand, multiple MOS's drive the Bradley, so it isn't unreasonable to expect the same with the Stryker.

fourdeuce2
06-27-2007, 12:37
I spent 15 years in the Army, most of that in the Infantry, and if I had to do it over, I'd probably do it pretty much the same. Some people go for a job they can use on the civilian side, but I didn't(although I did spend 3 years as a photographer, 84B). I went to Airborne School and while I was in my MOS(11C) I served in 4 Infantry battalions, an Armor battalion, and a Cavalry squadron. I also spent 2 years at the Infantry Officer Basic Course at Fort Benning, Georgia. I spent 6 years stationed in Germany and 4 years at Fort Carson, Colorado. I was hoping to go back to Germany again, but got out of the Army before I could go back. Since they've closed a lot of the units in Germany, there are a lot less opportunities to be stationed over there now.

msoprano
06-27-2007, 13:02
I was a scout in a light unit (in Germany), and a Cav squadron. Very proud MOS, especially the single scout platoons working with an Armor or Infantry Battalion.

There are things I like about both, but I much preferred the mighty Cavalry. Hopefully you can get a taste of both.

kawalerzysta
07-02-2007, 07:52
Originally posted by Biscuitsjam
Just a couple clarifications:
1. I don't know if that unit near me will actually get boats. That's what they were told, but so many things are up in the air with the tank -> cav transition that nobody really knows.
2. I don't know if we'd actually be a cav unit if we'd have gotten those Armored Support Vehicles. We might have transitioned to another MOS if we had received them.

Nothing, do you know how the Stryker cav units work? My understanding is that the crew is made up of 19K (tankers) and the dismounts are 19D (cav scouts).

I don't know a whole lot about the cavalry yet. This whole transition thing is a little messy and it'll be a year before I even go to MOS school.
There are few different types of Strykers. Recon version is manned by 19D(scouts). Tank version with 90mm gun is going to be manned with 19K.

kawalerzysta
07-02-2007, 07:54
Originally posted by A_Fletcher
If you active duty, reserve or retired Army Vets had a son (If you don't already) which MOS would you recommend for them and why?
MOS 19D, but I'm biased :)

greatwhite2006
07-11-2007, 21:51
If your looking for job skills, then 25S,Satellite Communications, is the way to go. Its the best MOS in the Signal Corps. (25B's will probably argue on this point)

The only bad thing is that the AIT is 1. 27 weeks (I think it went up though) and 2. Its at Fort Gordon, that place sucks.

Orkinmna903
07-11-2007, 23:04
Ait's only 27 weeks now? It was a hell of alot longer when i went through as a 31S in 98.

Orkinmna903
07-11-2007, 23:05
And you're right, Gordon sucks, but Lake Strom Thurmond was a blast for Weekends.

syne_24
07-17-2007, 23:10
Originally posted by greatwhite2006
If your looking for job skills, then 25S,Satellite Communications, is the way to go. Its the best MOS in the Signal Corps. (25B's will probably argue on this point)

The only bad thing is that the AIT is 1. 27 weeks (I think it went up though) and 2. Its at Fort Gordon, that place sucks.

How is the 25 series? I'm actually thinking of going back into the reserve (previously active duty). I was offered something in the 25 series, particularly 25U. Is there a lot of field training exercise or anything bad about it?

Medic!!!
07-26-2007, 06:54
Currently Iam a combat medic in the Army light infantry stationed in Baghdad.I do 90% of the 11B's job and all of mine.I like my job most of the time and recommend it highly if you dont have an aversion to blood and injured/dead people.My company takes good care of its medics.

al_r
07-26-2007, 14:57
I retired as a 25B, after a dozen or so MOSs, all in Signal; started out as a 31S. My AIT was 36 weeks, after eight weeks of COBET (they still have that?).
I really enjoyed my time in, the MOS is very appreciated.
Gordon isn't that bad, Atlanta is two hours away.

Also, everybody uses computers, so that training goes a long way in the civilian world - which is what I'm doing now.

shabz1319
07-28-2007, 17:45
13B Field Artilley - I have been in for 22 Years now and I have no regrets... Training is good via (Fort Sil, OK) Rank easily made... It really depends on what yu want but in the end you can't go wrong unlesss you choose 92G (COOK)!!! hahahaa

Airborne all the way!

fourdeuce2
07-29-2007, 14:17
Originally posted by greatwhite2006
If your looking for job skills, then 25S,Satellite Communications, is the way to go. Its the best MOS in the Signal Corps. (25B's will probably argue on this point)

The only bad thing is that the AIT is 1. 27 weeks (I think it went up though) and 2. Its at Fort Gordon, that place sucks.

84B(Still Photographer) is in the Signal Corps, too. The school is good, but I didn't much care for the MOS.;) After working in the MOS for about 2 years, I headed back to the Infantry.:tongueout:

cdrissel
08-26-2007, 11:04
11B

IMHO, all other MOS support the Infantry.

Again, IMHO. Go 82nd Airborne or one of the Ranger Bats. You will be working with the best trained and most highly motivated soldiers in the world.

AIRASSAULT18B
09-10-2007, 16:01
Go 11b & go to all the schools you can take. That was how I started out. Also being 11b allows you more versitility in the jobs available to you once you become a SR NCO. Go get those Blood Wings soon as your out of basic. (If the still give Blood Wings)

xxiv
09-10-2007, 17:52
Originally posted by AIRASSAULT18B
Go 11b & go to all the schools you can take. That was how I started out. Also being 11b allows you more versitility in the jobs available to you once you become a SR NCO. Go get those Blood Wings soon as your out of basic. (If the still give Blood Wings)

I take it you were in group, 18B?

AIRASSAULT18B
09-12-2007, 19:14
Yes I was . I have since retired.