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IPDBrad
06-26-2007, 05:12
The current property tax system is awful. The fact that the legislature allows it to continue shows that they don't care about the public, are ignorant, and have no idea of fairness.

The solution is very simple. If you are going to tax property, TAX IT FAIRLY.

Property tax doesn't need a subjective assessment on which a portion is taxed based on an assessors opinion.

The market determines the value of all homes and the tax should be determined based on the market value any time a home is sold.

If you purchase a home for $100,000, your tax is based on that amount for as long as you own the home. If you sell it for $200,000 then whoever purchases it, pays tax based on that amount. That way, you are not surprised by increasing taxes.

If my home appreciates and my taxes go up, I make no money on that appreciation UNLESS I sell that home.

The current system does nothing to support stable neighborhoods, improving one's property or making improvements to properties in transitional neighborhoods.

If anything, the current system is punitive to homeownership.

FThorn
06-26-2007, 05:28
Sounds like a platform to run for office!

FThorn
06-26-2007, 10:44
Tax hikes so bad they need officers to guard assessors' offices?

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007706260369

At least three of Marion County's nine township assessors will be given police protection because they are so worried about confrontations with irate taxpayers.

The Marion County treasurer's office expects to begin mailing tax bills Friday, and Marion County Sheriff Frank Anderson said he will provide police protection for township assessors who fear the bills will be enough to spark rage among some taxpayers.

"There are 12 people in this office, and I'm concerned for their safety and well-being," Lawrence Township Assessor Jeff Hill said. "The setting of tax rates is outside of our control, but we're the front line that people come to talk to when they don't like their property tax bills."
Residential property values have increased an average of 23 percent in Lawrence Township since 2003, Hill said. Statewide, Hoosiers are expected to see an average 9 percent increase in residential property taxes.

With some assessors fearing trouble, Anderson said he will have uniformed civil deputies with full arrest authority available to each assessor's office once the bills hit mailboxes.

Anderson also said the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department has been asked to be alert for trouble at any assessor's office.
"Public safety is paramount," Anderson said. "We will arrest them if they are disruptive."

The concern of tax and police officials is an indication that tax bills could increase as dramatically as many did during the last statewide property reassessment, in 2003. At that time, owners of some well-maintained homes in older areas saw their taxes double or triple as the state shifted to market value assessments.

Although property taxes are expected to increase an average of 9 percent statewide, residential property owners across Indiana will initially face an average increase of 24 percent until they get a rebate through the state later this year. The potential increase is the result of several factors, including the elimination of a state tax on business inventory and the statewide update of property assessments.

Washington Township Assessor Joline Ohmart said she hasn't requested protection but has "put out some feelers" and heard talk about it.
Ohmart took office in 2003, when bills went out after the last reassessment. There were a lot of angry people in the office looking for someone to blame, she said, but none became violent.

"I don't think it's a huge concern," Ohmart said. "But in this day and age, you never know what is going to happen."
Center Township Assessor Eugene Akers said he expects the public to be angry but has not asked for extra protection.
But Becky Williams, third-term assessor in Franklin Township, said she is worried about security. She lobbied for a reserve deputy, and she knows where the panic button in her office is.

"We're used to dealing with people who are upset, but every once in a while you get people who won't listen and it keeps escalating," Williams said.
"A few of the other townships had bomb threats. I don't want to take any chances with my staff and customers in the office."

Michael McCormack, the new Wayne Township assessor, said his office doesn't have a small-claims court with an armed constable or bailiff next door, as some other townships have, so he discussed police protection.
He said he knew tax bills would increase dramatically because Wayne Township lost more than $300 million in assessed value from business inventory tax changes and business closings.

"I knew my rates would go through the roof," McCormack said. "Now the treasurer's office is telling me they might be even worse than I expected. It scares me."
Wayne Township resident Gary Ward said his bill jumped 42 percent. He appealed his assessment because the assessed value on his three-bedroom ranch home went up 14 percent, to $117,700. He doesn't think he can sell it for that amount.
"When you assess people for $10,000 to $15,000 more than their home is worth, people will be on your doorstep," he said.

Ward said he calculated his bill after he went on a city government Web site called CivicNet last week and found the city had accidentally posted tax rate information allowing bill calculations. He said it was taken down the same day, but not before he figured his tax increase.
Ward said his bill jumped from $964 to $1,367 and would have gone higher if he didn't get special tax breaks for being a disabled veteran.

"My neighbors, when they see their tax bills, they're going to fall off their chairs," Ward said.

Star reporter Cordell Eddings contributed to this story.
Call Star reporter Brendan O'Shaughnessy at (317) 444-2751.

epsylum
06-26-2007, 10:58
At least we have that sweet dome right?

:upeyes:

IPDBrad
06-26-2007, 15:14
That Star story set me off on my rant, again. I have no problem paying taxes, but make them reasonable and fair. Heck, the middle class bites it again.

I really wish the state and US govts. would adopt a sales tax system for taxing. That would bring in so many untaxed revenue sources (the illegals, and criminal incomes). Taxing something that is earning you no income, then raising it is idiotic.

boilergonzo
06-26-2007, 20:48
How about we set up some arcane equation that takes the house at time of purchase, assesses a percent which scales up to hit homes with higher cost hardest, then depreciate it over several years to a flat annual fee, and then factor in some casino, gaming, or lottery reduction factor... oh, wait... we already do that with cars!

(says the man who bought a new car in Illinois, paid the full tax hit, then transferred to Indiana and paid several years of additional tax hits... if they only could have added an extra tax on my wiper useage, a radio tax for songs I listened to, and an additional fee for the color of paint it had I would have been in absolute hog heaven!).

Arbitrary systems are abused by the powerful. I can only wait and see what cruel afflications await me in the dreaded tax notice.

geminicricket
06-26-2007, 21:32
I live in a 2360 sq foot, 13 year old, 2-story, brick veneer house close to a highway, a Wal-Mart, and a church. My tax rate is and has always been around 2.2%. My property tax is about $4100/year now.
In the next county over, my rich sister told me of some Arabian prince who owns a luxurious house a few hundred yards away from her domicile whose tax bill is a bit over $9000 per month. My sister's house was built about 23 years ago, and looks about like it did back then. Her tax bill on her house only reaches $9000 in a year. She payed $500,000 for it 3 years ago and recently an empty lot across the street from hers was sold for $450,000.

All this information is to illustrate a point: You pay the piper if you want to dance.

KSFreeman
06-27-2007, 05:41
No change for me up here in Tippecanoe County. However, not looking forward to paying the piper when and if I move back to Marion County.:shocked:

boilergonzo
06-27-2007, 11:33
The most expensive house in Indiana (Hilbert mansion) valued at $25M and listed for sale at $20M has an annual tax bill of $92,000 per year ($7,666 per month). Roughly .46% of the home value. My house is taxed at over 1.5% of the value (if I correct for the market downturn, it will be even worse!). How does that make sense?

Assessments are made. The powerful, the aware, and the persistant can lobby the people in charge to try to make changes. The vast majority, however, accept the punishment and pay and grumble not realizing they have options or how to excercise their options. Why leave it to a person to make an assessment from the street (they can not come in, so all judgement of finished/unfinished basement is on data in records only...)?

Even if home taxes were based upon value, one can see a relative selling a house to a relative for next to nothing to dodge taxes. It is simply a flawed way to asses revenue. At least a local income tax (which I would not want) is more evenhanded.

The whole concept is flawed.

toots shor
06-30-2007, 23:47
Indianapolis needs new leadership, badly.

Rikki
07-01-2007, 04:45
I'd like to see them bump the sales tax to whatever it takes to get rid of property tax.
Then put a penny on gas and get rid of the BMV fees.

R. Emmelman
07-01-2007, 18:33
Originally posted by Rikki
I'd like to see them bump the sales tax to whatever it takes to get rid of property tax.
Then put a penny on gas and get rid of the BMV fees.

Rikki

Not to flame you but you are fixing the wrong problem. Local government needs to reduce spending not raise (or shift) tax. It is so easy to build that $8-million high school football stadium and stick it to the taxpayer. My personal rant is that I pay all this property tax and get very little in return. I don't use the public school system (in fact I spent several thousand of dollars to send my daughter to a private school and now home school). I have never used the county welfare system. And my street has not seen a maintenance rew in the 20 years I have lived here. Yet every six mounths I write a check to Marion county/Indianapolis to support those who do. Let's not raise taxes but force the city/county to spend what they have wisely.

*** rant off ***

IPDBrad
07-01-2007, 23:02
I would love to see a national sales tax, with requiste elimination of the income tax. This would tax those who consume more, tax those who don't claim income (illegals and those involved in illegal activities) and simplify April for many people.

R. Emmelman
07-02-2007, 05:08
Originally posted by IPDBrad
I would love to see a national sales tax, with requiste elimination of the income tax. This would tax those who consume more, tax those who don't claim income (illegals and those involved in illegal activities) and simplify April for many people.
That would be OK on a national level, but there still needs to be something done on a local one. When a municipality can build a multi-million dollar library, be two years over due, cost much more then planned, and then just say let's raise taxes, that's wrong! That seems to be the answer for everything, RAISE TAXES!

*** rant *** *** rant *** *** rant *** *** rant *** *** rant *** *** rant ***

:) ...now if we could just get a pay raise for IPDBrad.... :)

Gump
07-02-2007, 05:16
Originally posted by Rikki
I'd like to see them bump the sales tax to whatever it takes to get rid of property tax.
Then put a penny on gas and get rid of the BMV fees.

That's what I want to see too. It would be nice if those 12 illegal's living in the same apartment helped out the system too. I read one time that there is an estimated 300,000 illegals in Indiana. It would be nice if at least when they buy stuff, they were putting some of their money into the "kitty".
Hell, it cost me $.26 per hour to live in this house I built for half of what those jackasses apriased it for.

Rikki
07-02-2007, 06:15
Shifting the property tax burden to a state sales tax would make it fair for everybody, plus, out of state buyers would be helping with the load.(That was why the put casinos OOPS, err, RIVERBOATS on the state's "edges"- to get other state's folks money)
Just put a state sales tax in and you can fire all the assesors and that whole wad of loafers down at the courthouse.

mpholic
07-02-2007, 07:16
As far as a income tax replacing property tax I'm all for it but I don't see it happening. Too many people who don't own property (read transient apartment dwellers who skip out on their rent), so called "poor" people on welfare, etc. all have the same voting power as you and I. If the sales tax goes up they will complain they can't afford to buy anything. The politicians (who cater to these groups) will then create a tax credit for the "poor" and since most don't report their income they get "under the table" or the income they derive from the sale of illegal drugs they will qualify for the credit.

We will be back to square one with little ground gained for the middle class. Sure you might get a little extra tax income from the middle class guy who just chooses to rent instead of own but I don't think there are a lot of people in that demographic.

IPDBrad
07-02-2007, 07:49
I am not opposed to property taxes, just the way they are "assessed". The entire assessment system is a joke, and quite open to abuse. The market already assesses property and places the fairest value of all on that property.

I also think that the tax should remain static, changing only when the property changes hands.

Rich, you are so right about controlling costs. Government always has issues with this, after all, they do nothing to "earn" that money. And as we all know, you value things more when you earn them.

I am dumbfounded when the Mayor and other government officials say we need to raise taxes, yet, they continue to give abatements and build non-essential items. I guess we will have a lovely cultural trail though.

boilergonzo
07-02-2007, 09:23
I am not for a regressive tax scheme. But I do think a flat fair sales tax can be made in lieu of flawed property schemes. Minnesota does not tax food OR clothes. Okay! So in Indiana I propose that any clothes purchase under $500 is tax free (the poor will not bear the brunt of taxation, nor will folks with lots of kids in school get whacked). Anything over that amount (furs, fine suits, wedding dresses, etc.) are luxury items, and are to be taxed at the going rate.

No food tax. The poor and rich can eat all they want without tax. This would exclude alcohol, which will be taxed. If we wanted, we could even tax soft drinks, chips, and cookies, while leaving apples, celery, and chicken tax-free (I will admit, this has a Big Brother factor to guard against!).

Fuel taxes go up. Allow a waiver for low-income folks, and zap the rest of us. That will provide incentive for fuel efficient cars, and also put the brunt of road repairs on the people who use them the most. It also will tax out-of-state drivers to help gain revenue.

In short, taxing at the point of purchase simplifies tracking and assessment. It is more fair, because it is harder to dodge. It also ties revenue more closely to the economy, forcing frugal spending in tight times. Currently, policy makers are somewhat immune to economic turns (your property taxes never go down...). While easier to budget around, it is also too easy to get lazy and stop viewing expenditures with a laser-beam focus.

R. Emmelman
07-02-2007, 13:04
boilergonzo

So where do you put the line of "low income"? While I think I make pretty good money I am sure Mr. KSFreeman might not think so. That thinking is what got us into the mess we are in now. "Low" income and "high" income all depends on where you are looking from. A flat income or sales tax is the only fair way to do it.

However I still stand by my previous posting, that government should not get one more cent (really should be less) and cut their spending!

FThorn
07-02-2007, 13:05
if we HAVE to have taxes, it would be nice to have them on sales. That way, they can be avoided if desire.

I hate income and property taxes. Mainly because I have no fun, and if I could keep a little more money, might have SOME fun!

R. Emmelman
07-02-2007, 18:57
You should have to pay your taxes by cash or check on the November Monday before election Tuesday. I bet the politicians would keep them low ;)

boilergonzo
07-02-2007, 20:52
I'd hate to be called harsh because I made a mother of three working very hard for minimum wage driving a 1979 Buick twenty-eight miles one-way to one of her four jobs pay a gas tax. So I'll just toss out, "if you are below the level designated by the Feds as the poverty level and are gainfully employed, you get a tax-break on fuel". Feel free to brainstorm and fix my flaws!

In general, I have no issue with flat taxes, as they can be avoided. However, for fuel, I have heard arguments that make sense (the truly poor cannot afford a new hybrid gas-electric car, and it is unfair to pass punitive taxes). Hence the break for the sub-poverty-level working folks. Everyone else... well, we do need to be more energy conscious.

Property taxes, dog taxes, VAT, inventory, and Lucas Oil Stadium taxes are subjective, difficult to collect, unfair, or just plain odd.

IPDBrad
07-02-2007, 21:38
Originally posted by R. Emmelman
You should have to pay your taxes by cash or check on the November Monday before election Tuesday. I bet the politicians would keep them low ;)

Maybe they should provide tax penalties for districts where the politicians don't show for votes. I bet Julia would get booted out right quick. Or take away their taxpayer financed housing/sidewalks/garbage collection.

mpholic
07-03-2007, 06:02
Originally posted by boilergonzo
I am not for a regressive tax scheme. But I do think a flat fair sales tax can be made in lieu of flawed property schemes. Minnesota does not tax food OR clothes. Okay! So in Indiana I propose that any clothes purchase under $500 is tax free (the poor will not bear the brunt of taxation, nor will folks with lots of kids in school get whacked). Anything over that amount (furs, fine suits, wedding dresses, etc.) are luxury items, and are to be taxed at the going rate.

No food tax. The poor and rich can eat all they want without tax. This would exclude alcohol, which will be taxed. If we wanted, we could even tax soft drinks, chips, and cookies, while leaving apples, celery, and chicken tax-free (I will admit, this has a Big Brother factor to guard against!).

Fuel taxes go up. Allow a waiver for low-income folks, and zap the rest of us. That will provide incentive for fuel efficient cars, and also put the brunt of road repairs on the people who use them the most. It also will tax out-of-state drivers to help gain revenue.

In short, taxing at the point of purchase simplifies tracking and assessment. It is more fair, because it is harder to dodge. It also ties revenue more closely to the economy, forcing frugal spending in tight times. Currently, policy makers are somewhat immune to economic turns (your property taxes never go down...). While easier to budget around, it is also too easy to get lazy and stop viewing expenditures with a laser-beam focus.


I like the idea of no taxes on clothes so lower income people can't complain about raising sales tax although I would offer an alternate solution. Instead of a $500 ceiling per purchase I would like to see taxes on ITEMS over a certain amount. That way $20 Levis wuld be tax free, $100 designer jeans would be taxed. $50 store brand tennis shoes would be tax free, $200 Nikes would be taxed. This would allow lower income people to clothe themselves and their children with no taxes due and would encourage them not to buy high priced items they can't afford but their children pressured them into buying.

Rikki
07-03-2007, 06:20
The poor and rich alike can get their deductions off of their "income tax"- I'm talking specifically about doing away with property taxes by putting a tax on ANYTHING ANYBODY buys.

mpholic
07-03-2007, 06:35
Originally posted by Rikki
The poor and rich alike can get their deductions off of their "income tax"- I'm talking specifically about doing away with property taxes by putting a tax on ANYTHING ANYBODY buys.

As I stated above in a earlier post as much as I support this idea it isn't going to happen unless some sort of concession is made for the "poor" people. See above post.

eprn
07-03-2007, 21:18
I live in Dearborn County and we have a casino. My taxes still suck and they're going waaaaay up this year. Interestingly, we pay more for our schools here than anywhere else in the state. The school district just had to have new super-massive professional sports facilities out at the high school.

While my taxes are still much lower than they were in OH, I think public entities ought to have levies on the ballot rather than the automatic increases that happen here.

mpholic
07-05-2007, 06:21
From reading these posts, watching the news and talking to people from other school districts it's apparent the school systems are out of control with their spending.

Schools are educational institutions not professional sports venues nor or they performing arts centers. I wonder if just as much money has been spent on the science labs as on these gyms and theaters.

There needs to some sort of control on where the money goes. Money should only spent on sports, performing arts, band, etc. when the academics are 100%. If the math or science department needs new equipment it comes first. If shop class needs new tools it comes first. If the schools graduation rate is below the national average or the ISTEP scores are too low, they hire more teachers. Then and only then they can spend money on sports.

Rikki
07-05-2007, 06:47
"If the math or science department needs new equipment it comes first."-I agree with your concept and priority system...
But in all honesty,with the new computer generated molecule programs and physics systems available the "lab" is as outdated as the 1 hole privvy.

I am in favor of schools with only "pay as you play" sport programs and NO student bussing- these are done with success in some Cincinnati area schools.

mpholic
07-05-2007, 06:50
Originally posted by Rikki
"If the math or science department needs new equipment it comes first."-I agree with your concept and priority system...
But in all honesty,with the new computer generated molecule programs and physics systems available the "lab" is as outdated as the 1 hole privvy.

I am in favor of schools with only "pay as you play" sport programs and NO student bussing- these are done with success in some Cincinnati area schools.

True, I was speaking of equipment generically. Whether it be software or test tubes.

eprn
07-05-2007, 18:24
That's what kills me about our schools. My oldest son starts kindergarten next year, and his classroom will have >40 kids in it. All the classes are overcrowded.

Interestingly, though, there's plenty of space in the weight room which is larger than the weight room at the University of Cincinnati. The priorities around here are totally bassackwards.

It's irritating!

Seven High
07-08-2007, 13:58
Our school system is overcrowded here also. Mostly due to illegal alien children.

R. Emmelman
07-08-2007, 19:58
Well... I got my tax bill this week. A 50.6% increase. :steamed:

Does this mean I get 50.6% more government services? :animlol:

boilergonzo
07-08-2007, 21:24
Why, yes, it does! The State will be dramatically increasing its staff of monitors for maintaining oversight of the increase of outsourcing. It will also increase the Outsourcing Task Force to outsource more. We will bring inhouse expertise on outsourcing to better manage the workflow. This increase will be offset by outsourcing of the inhouse administrative and facilities maintenance, which will have inhouse monitoring of this outsourcing. Furthermore, we are going to consolidate our teachers, firefighters, and law enforcment into one body, which will report to a new department. The uniform color will be beige, will have nice patches, and we will provide a catchy acromym you will hate. On top of all these benefits, we have a few snazzy new games in the works for the Hoosier Lottery scratchoffs.

Thank you for your financial support! If we need more, we know where you live!

FThorn
07-09-2007, 06:09
Heard on WIBC that there will be a public rally against the new Property tax rates at the circle.

This weekend? I can't find the info quickly.

mpholic
07-09-2007, 07:01
Originally posted by R. Emmelman
Well... I got my tax bill this week. A 50.6% increase. :steamed:


Mine was 50% too. As much as I hate a tax increase I feel lucky compared to some of the people who appear to have had 200-300% increases.

IPDBrad
07-09-2007, 07:49
www.stopindiana.com

Has info on tax "revolt" and unpcoming protest.

R. Emmelman
07-09-2007, 09:21
Also....

http://www.advanceamerica.com/

http://www.advanceamerica.com/RPTicon.jpg

eprn
07-09-2007, 16:28
50%?

Fifty?

Holy cow!!!!!!

Sucks to be an incumbent next year.

epsylum
07-09-2007, 18:18
My parents are telling me that their property taxes went up ...... wait for it.......................




190%!!!!!!!

Yes, I did not mis-type that. They wish they were only 50%. They have heard from other people they work with have gotten the over double increases as well (not all, but some). This is completely idiotic. This is on top of their reassesment they had two years ago.


Drive down Meridian st by all the fancy houses by the governor's mansion. Almost every other house is now for sale.

Seven High
07-09-2007, 18:54
I recently read a very good newspaper article about the recent property tax issue by Brian Howey. He is a political reporter based in Indianapolis. I suggest that you find and read the article. I cannot locate a link. I would like to know the amount the govenor and other political big wigs property tax went up.

FThorn
07-09-2007, 18:56
http://www.journalreview.com/articles/2007/07/08/viewpoints/02howey.txt

R. Emmelman
07-09-2007, 19:05
Originally posted by eprn
50%?

Fifty?

Holy cow!!!!!!

Sucks to be an incumbent next year.
Went from $347.27 to $523.10 per half. :burn:

This for a house I can't sell at $74,900

KSFreeman
07-10-2007, 05:26
I hate to say it to pour cold water on the pity party, but not much happened to mine. I do live in an older house in downtown Lafayette but I cannot understand why Indy got hit so hard and we did not? Anyone know?

Anywho the person responsible for the property tax mess is in the mirror. We whine and cry for the government to "do something". We beg the government for "services". We whimper for the government to "protect us". We want health care from the govnerment and this and that. We allow the teacher unions to have government build them Taj Mahals that they call schools where students continue to be undereducated. In a cosmic sense, serves us right.

I'm all for abolishing property and income taxes and shifting the tax to consumption (i.e. sales tax).

mpholic
07-10-2007, 06:30
Originally posted by KSFreeman
Anywho the person responsible for the property tax mess is in the mirror. We whine and cry for the government to "do something". We beg the government for "services". We whimper for the government to "protect us". We want health care from the govnerment and this and that.

That's the biggest pile of horse puckey I have heard in a LOOOONG time. I didn't ask for more services. I didn't ask for more police (although in and of itself that is not a bad idea). I don't support government health care. I've never taken a dime of welfare, medicaid, or any of the other long list of government handouts. My kids didn't attend public schools. I did my best to vote for school board members who didn't support out of control spending (although those seem to be non existent anymore).

In addition to the out of control school district spending we are having to fill the void created by corporate tax abatements. Unfortunately this is a catch 22 sort of thing. If we don't give the companies these tax breaks then they go somplace and take their jobs with them. If we do give them the tax breaks and benefit from the employment they bring we have to shoulder the extra tax burden.

R. Emmelman
07-10-2007, 08:07
Originally posted by KSFreeman
I hate to say it to pour cold water on the pity party, but not much happened to mine. I do live in an older house in downtown Lafayette but I cannot understand why Indy got hit so hard and we did not? Anyone know? ...snip...
Indianapolis has 50% of the property tax go to schools. Heard on the news yesterday that the reason Indy got hit hard was because IPS had several capitol projects. :upeyes:

IPDBrad
07-10-2007, 10:03
I agree, partially, with Kirk.

We need to stand up now for tax reform in Indiana. This movement got a spark in 2003 and is catching fire now.

Granted, none of us asked for this, however, letting it go on or entrusting our Reps to handle it is akin to doing nothing. The system will continue unless change is demanded. It has been allowed to go on because so much of it is unknown to the public. Most of us probably pay property taxes as part of our mortage, only seeing the statement once a year, forgetting what it was the year prior.

Like Kirk, I didn't get hit the last two times, however, with the current system, it is only a matter of time.

More voices, more chance for a change.

mpholic
07-10-2007, 11:02
Originally posted by IPDBrad
More voices, more chance for a change.

Agree 100%

KSFreeman
07-10-2007, 11:22
I with you fellers.

However, someone, somewhere is voting for all these school white elephants. I drove by my old high school, Ben Davis, last gun show. Tell me there is no connection between your taxes and that burning pile of money!

mpholic
07-10-2007, 13:20
Originally posted by KSFreeman
I with you fellers.

However, someone, somewhere is voting for all these school white elephants. I drove by my old high school, Ben Davis, last gun show. Tell me there is no connection between your taxes and that burning pile of money!

Oh, there's definitely a connection. I've just done everything I can to try and stop that juggernaut (obviously it wasn't enough). Unfortunately I have watched the bulk of that construction. Expansion of the high school, construction of the 9th grade center, the conversion and expansion of Fulton into 7th and 8th grade center.

I live in the Wayne Township area and for the life of me don't know where the authorization for these expenditures come from. No referendums, no elective school bonds, nothing I can remember. We are afforded the opportunity to vote for the school board members. they very possibly had "public" meetings on these but did their level best to keep the dates a secret.

epsylum
07-10-2007, 16:23
Ben Davis is huge as well as the ever expanding Pike High School. I went to North Central and that place looks tiny in comparison.

eprn
07-10-2007, 20:44
The answer, friends, is simple. They just gotta stop the spending and let us vote on this junk. In Ohio, you needed levies for everything. I was on a Fire Department in a small town in the 'burbs of Cincinnati. If the village needed more money, they put a levy on the ballot. If it passed, good. If not, better luck next time (they could always get the cops to write more tickets). The public had a say in their property tax bills. These taxes needed to be renewed every so many years as well. Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea after all.

This tax situation is getting ridiculous.

glockman2005
07-19-2007, 09:25
I think you guys are missing the whole issue here. Property taxes, according the INDIANA Constitution is Legal ONLY for corporations,, Not private homes. Read your Indiana Constitution. Hold these commies feet to the fire and make them obey their own law! It is IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE in INDIANA to own property in this state under this illegal, commie law. Vote the bums out.

alphacat
07-19-2007, 23:16
I just got the bill in the mail today. It looks it's time for this old retired guy to look around for a cheaper state to move to.