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RMTactical
07-02-2007, 19:05
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=37&t=273360

reerc
07-02-2007, 23:12
Well, we do live in a dry ol' desert, folks.

:burn:

Sure been a hot, dry one so far this summer, eh?


Aye carumba!

:faint:

Sambolijah
07-03-2007, 11:07
those restrictions are kinda silly.

TMG
07-03-2007, 17:43
Originally posted by Sambolijah
those restrictions are kinda silly.
Why do you think it's silly? Almost every fire west of the lake, this year, has been caused by bullets. Low humidity, a lot of cheat grass, and high temps makes it easy to start a fire. Doesn't seem silly to me.

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Steve Koski
07-03-2007, 19:59
So you can still shoot in formal/developed shooting ranges, right?

RMTactical
07-03-2007, 22:14
Originally posted by Steve Koski
So you can still shoot in formal/developed shooting ranges, right?

That was my understanding.

Sambolijah
07-04-2007, 15:01
Originally posted by TMG
Why do you think it's silly? Almost every fire west of the lake, this year, has been caused by bullets.



Or so they claim. I just find it hard to believe, that's all.

ustate
07-05-2007, 22:47
Is the Hobble Creek range still open? How is it there if it is open?

Cokeman
07-08-2007, 20:57
How long until the ban is lifted?

camaro_dave
07-09-2007, 12:20
i called the utah county sheriff and they didn't have a time set when people can shoot again. but i called july 3rd so mayb they figured it out by now.

ustate
07-11-2007, 09:32
I read this morning that the shooting ban in Utah County is for at least 30 days and might be for the rest of the summer. Due to this restriction they have opened the Utah County Sheriff's shooting range for free public use. I'll include a link from KSL with the info.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1465658

thetoastmaster
08-10-2007, 19:29
I know one man in Saratoga Springs that caused a fire shooting. Heck, he even owns up to it.

I don't have a problem with this restriction.

I still wish there was a range in Salt Lake County that allowed position shooting...

Batesmotel
08-10-2007, 20:17
Tooele county also. Yesterday Tooele fire told me it will be in effect until it gets wet. We just need a few good storms.

Anyone who thinks it is silly dosen't live here. It was once said that a man can be shot in the west for walking toward a river with an empty bucket. It is dry this year. I think some of the problem is from steel jacketed or core bullets. The 19th SF started a small fire several years ago at Camp Williams shooting an AK with steel jacket ammo.

I have several Boy Scouts who want to pass off the shotgun merit badge but it will cost a fortune to go to a trap range so we are waiting for them to lift the ban.

UtahIrishman
08-10-2007, 20:24
Originally posted by thetoastmaster
I know one man in Saratoga Springs that caused a fire shooting. Heck, he even owns up to it.

I don't have a problem with this restriction.

I still wish there was a range in Salt Lake County that allowed position shooting...

The hunter education course at Lee-Kay does. I wonder if they could be sweet talked into doing the same on the 200/300 yard range?

Sambolijah
08-10-2007, 23:35
The Utah county sheriff's office range is open to the public during this shooting ban.

It's down spanish fork canyon, near Thistle.
Take highway 6 to 89. Down 89 maybe a mile, right side of the road.

It's free, and it's a pretty decent range.

TMG
08-11-2007, 18:24
Originally posted by Sambolijah
The Utah county sheriff's office range is open to the public during this shooting ban.

It's down spanish fork canyon, near Thistle.
Take highway 6 to 89. Down 89 maybe a mile, right side of the road.

It's free, and it's a pretty decent range.

It's actually one of the best ranges in the state. With the exception of not having an indoor classroom, it's Far better then SL County's range. IMHO..

Sambolijah
08-11-2007, 19:21
Originally posted by TMG
It's actually one of the best ranges in the state. With the exception of not having an indoor classroom, it's Far better then SL County's range. IMHO..

I agree. I normally just shoot on the west side of the lake.
This range is a much better option.

It has, IIRC, three or four pistol ranges, a shotgun range, and a 100 yard rifle range with target stands, benches and chairs, and shade.

I was impressed.

They have somewhat tight hours. I seem to remember that they close around 5?

TMG
08-12-2007, 18:33
There's only a few ranges that are open for public use. And yes, they are open on Fridays 5-9 and Sat. 8-5. But I dont think this will last much longer.

Some of the ranges that arent open to public use is the Pop-up Steel range, the 'running man' range, the regular turning-target system, and the Hot house. (the new one is being constructed and will be done in a few weeks) They also have a rifle/sniper range that I believe goes beyond 600 yards.

And to top it off, the new restrooms are nice and clean!!

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reerc
08-14-2007, 16:32
Story says bullets don't cause fires:

http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/233101/

Sambolijah
08-14-2007, 20:16
Originally posted by reerc
Story says bullets don't cause fires:

http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/233101/


Interesting article.

Not surprised they couldn't start a fire.

It never happened during any previous summers.
We had plenty of fires in the area then, too.

Yet we're supposed to believe that multiple shooters caused multiple fires THIS summer?

Bull ****.

UtahIrishman
08-14-2007, 20:52
That article seems reasonably conclusive to me. I can see where if you were laying prone in dry grass the muzzle blast, might (as in maybe) cause a fire. But that seems very inconclusive.

So what would a reasonable person conclude from an admittedly not entirely scientific but reasonable test?

Bullets don't cause fires period. Therefore there is no reason to continue the ban.

If they think that associated items that go along with shooting do, such as hot tailpipe exhaust, then they need to investigate further and perhaps look at those activities and not pinpointing shooting.

It is apparent that bullets themselves don't cause fires which doesn't surprise me.

phox_mulder
08-14-2007, 21:30
I started a fire once while shooting.

Just a wee little one, a couple stamps of the foot put it out.

I had recently attended a gun show and saw some 9mm tracer rounds,
I thought "cool, just like the movies" so I bought a package.

Took them out to the Lone Rock area and shot at some cans.
Didn't see anything that looked like a tracer.

One however went through the can into the sagebrush behind it, whoomp, up in flames.
Ran over and stomped it out, no worries.

Good thing I wasn't an idiot and try shooting them into the air to see if they would trace better.
Fire would have been a bit further away.

No, I haven't bought any since, and this was many years ago when I was a little less mature.


phox

RyDC
08-16-2007, 16:07
I started a fire once shooting too.

'Cept I was shooting a short-barreled blackpowder rifle (maybe a 20" barrel?) in the prone position. The bullet didn't catch anything on fire, but the leftover powder from the 80-grain charge I had in the barrel sure did. Stomped it out pretty quick.

I can see how powder might start fires, or even hot brass, but bullets made of soft lead? Give me a break.

Batesmotel
08-16-2007, 16:21
Lead/copper bullets have a very low chance of starting a fire but steel jacket/core ammo will spark on impact with rock or metal.

RMTactical
08-19-2007, 13:30
Any word on how long the Utah county sheriff's office range will be open to the public for?

Sambolijah
08-19-2007, 17:57
My understanding is until the ban is lifted. Could be wrong.
Maybe they won't lift the ban at all.

Sambolijah
08-19-2007, 18:55
double tap

Batesmotel
08-19-2007, 18:59
Tooele said they will lift it when it is wet enough. Hope we get more rain soon.

TMG
08-20-2007, 21:41
Originally posted by RMTactical
Any word on how long the Utah county sheriff's office range will be open to the public for?

Most likely, Either the last week of August or the firt week of Sept... Depends on what the Sheriff says.

xmirage2kx
08-28-2007, 11:29
Fires are not uncommon at "make-shift" shooting areas or unauthorized shooting area's. To date, two large fires have started as a result of firearms shooting activities in the unincorporated Utah County area.

Note the key word: activities.
Not shooting, not bullets, But "activities". Some activities that happen while shooting are: smoking and campfires. Let alone hot car engines, fireworks, and other things. Led/Copper cant start fires even heated to 500 degrees. Steel rounds may have a chance, but still is very slim as the metal is so soft.

Fires this year attributed to guns

Date/acreage/cost to fight

Feb. 10 - 3 acres - $2,257
March 17 - .1 acres - $50
May 26 - 4 acres - $240
May 30 - 12 acres - $645
June 12 - 10 acres - $945
June 24/29 - 8,495 acres - $1,000,000 (at least half of the acreage and cost attributed to shooting.)
July 14 - 244 acres - $200,000

Upon research only 2 of these were likely from shooting. And the largest only ˝ was “from shooting” Others were just started in/near common shooting areas.

Cokeman
08-28-2007, 18:56
I was told that KSL reported that Utah County lifted the ban today. Did anyone else hear this?

Sambolijah
08-28-2007, 20:32
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1713182

Very last sentence. Almost an afterthought.

Steve Koski
08-28-2007, 21:07
Thanks for the update guys!

RMTactical
08-28-2007, 22:35
Good to know, thanks!

Cokeman
08-28-2007, 23:14
I told my wife and she said "want to go shooting this weekend?" :thumbsup:

RMTactical
08-28-2007, 23:48
Originally posted by Cokeman
I told my wife and she said "want to go shooting this weekend?" :thumbsup:

That's an awesome wife.

My wife actually suggested shooting on our next date recently. That was nice to hear. :)

ustate
08-29-2007, 06:10
Here is an article about the ban being lifted from the paper this morning. The article does say thought the ban is still active for Utah County west of I-15.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695205321,00.html

DBL
08-29-2007, 11:47
Originally posted by ustate
The article does say thought the ban is still active for Utah County west of I-15.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695205321,00.html

Does that mean the shooting ban or the no campfires,tracer,military round ban?

jcbarlow
09-10-2007, 12:37
Originally posted by ustate
Here is an article about the ban being lifted from the paper this morning. The article does say thought the ban is still active for Utah County west of I-15.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695205321,00.html

It looks like that is lifted as of today (or the last day or so). Just read it on KSL. Looks like the last of the bans have been lifted.:banana: