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BigBangTheory
07-09-2007, 16:03
Sorry for this question yet again because I know I've read threads on this in the past, but like anything else, it can't be found when you need it.

I need some advice on sights. I recently installed trijicon sights, and much to my irritation (and waste of almost $100), can't see them worth a darn in the day because the front sight and rear sight sort of blend together into a fuzzy mass. Some years back I had a similar problem when bow hunting, and it was just because my eyes were getting older. Right now I'm thinking about a few different sights - either the XS Big Dots, or one of the Ameriglo sights. Ameriglo makes a "U-Rap" sight that looks like it has a huge open area in the rear sight, which is what I'm thinking I need. I've thought about fiber optic, but I understand they are useless in very low light. I like the TFOs but can't get over the lousy 90 day warranty.

Any comments and suggestions would be most appreciated - what do the older eyes out there like??

ffoltz
07-09-2007, 16:29
I have the XS big dots and I love them. I'm 65 and had the same problem.

M2 Carbine
07-09-2007, 17:01
In a couple months 70 year old eyes.:)

I've been wearing tri-focals for years. The center lens is focused at pistol front sight distance. The rear sight is slightly fuzzy and the target is pretty fuzzy. About the same as it was when you were 20 years old.
The down side is trying to get everything lined up for a fast shot.

I also use a lot of Red Dot sights on everything from 22 pistols to 12ga shotguns.
The down side is the bulky sight.

For low light I use lasers and laser/lights.
I've experimented and in the time it takes me to line up night sights I could shoot me 2-3 times using the likes of Crimson Trace Laser Grips or the Streamlight TLR-2 laser/light.

I'll post a few examples of my targets to show how well the tri-focals, Red Dot sights and lasers work for me.;)


Bearing in mind these targets are shot with the eyes and a less than steady hand of a 70 year old.

Laser.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/CTlefthand15shots.jpg

Laser. Trying to get the time under a second.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/38timedlaser.jpg

S&W J Frame, iron sights. Still trying to break a second.:upeyes:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/THRtarget38timed.jpg

BSA Red Dot on a PLR .223 pistol.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/THRtargetKTPLR.jpg

100 yards. Standing using two hands. Kimber Tactical Ultra, factory iron sights.
At 100 yards the target is really fuzzy.:rofl:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/100yardkimbershooting-2.jpg

BigBangTheory
07-09-2007, 17:34
One for the Big Dots - glad they helped you, that's encouraging for me. I certainly do not want to spend hundreds of dollars trying a half dozen sights.

M2 - that's awesome shooting - can't ask for better than that!

Any other suggestions or comments are greatly appreciated. This will be my home defense weapon and I surely want to be able to use it effectively.

john in jax
07-10-2007, 08:07
I have trouble seeing the stock/std. sights on all guns, but can still make out and shoot my XS 24/7 big dot sights. I've owned 3 sets on Crimson Trace laser grips (2 on revolvers and 1 on a 1911) and LOVED them.

It really is hard to beat a good laser. I think lasers really improved my shooting by showing every little wiggle, wobble and flinch. The lasers didn't just tell me what I needed to improve, it showed me exactly what I was doing and when I was doing it. IMO lasers are not only good for self defense shooting, but can be a great teaching aid too.

M2 Carbine
07-10-2007, 09:36
Originally posted by john in jax
I have trouble seeing the stock/std. sights on all guns, but can still make out and shoot my XS 24/7 big dot sights.

john, if you haven't tried it check out using a cheap pair of "reading" glasses.
Try them on at Wal Mart until you find a pair that will bring your outstreached fingertip in focus. Shooting with them will bring your gun sights in focus. The target will be blured but it is anyhow.

I've had instant results with people shooting on my range that could no longer focus on the gun sights and they were shooting with no glasses or their distant/reading glasses.
When I handed them my "computer/shooting" glasses their shooting immediately improved because they could see the sights.

As I said above, now I have the third lens in my glasses for shooting and the computer but for some years I had a set of "shooting" glasses in my range box.
Being focused at a little over 2 feet the glasses weren't any good for everyday use but it sure helps the target shooting when you can see the gun sights.

I was having trouble seeing the front sight on my M1 Garand last week. I can't use the tri-focal lens with most rifles. First chance I'm going to try a pair of "reading" glasses. I've tried sighting useing these glasses and the front sight is clear and my mail box, a hundred yards distant, is fuzzy but I have no doubt that putting a clip into it would be easy if these glasses keep the front sight clear.:)

+1 on the laser.
In the dark I make shots, that with good eyes in daylight I couldn't begin to make.
And mostly with the (good) lasers I'm as fast and more accurate than I am in daylight (but I do practice a lot).

BigBangTheory
07-10-2007, 16:27
Hey M2 Carbine,

Does the Crimson Trace add much to the grip of the pistol? My G30 fits me fine, but I wouldn't want to add much to the size of the grip. And how exactly does it stay in place?

G36Packer
07-11-2007, 17:20
First I got CT lasergrips. Then I added SureSights. Now I think I have the best of both worlds, for my eyes anyway.

Here are some threads about old eyes or SureSight.

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=713466
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=685649
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=676429
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=669261
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=350419
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=652911
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=632099
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=626888
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=547749
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=525392
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=474365

BigBangTheory
07-11-2007, 18:50
Wow, I must need a tutorial on the search engine. Thanks!

M2 Carbine
07-12-2007, 09:06
Originally posted by BigBangTheory
Hey M2 Carbine,

Does the Crimson Trace add much to the grip of the pistol? My G30 fits me fine, but I wouldn't want to add much to the size of the grip. And how exactly does it stay in place?

This is the CT on a friend's G19.
Presonally I don't like the Glock grip but it fits me better with the CT installed.
I believe the CT is installed on the Glock using a couple existing pin holes using the supplied CT pins.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Glocklasergrip.jpg

This how well the G19 and CT does for us.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/Glock19laser.jpg

RayB
07-12-2007, 12:23
Originally posted by BigBangTheory
This will be my home defense weapon and I surely want to be able to use it effectively.

*****

In a word, LASER. Yes, they work that well! ;)

An alternative to the Crimson Trace would be the Uni-Max, which is available for $163.99 from MidwayUSA... That's about what two sets of sights would cost you, and it's good on any rail-equipped gun. :)

http://www.lasermax.com/

http://www.midwayusa.com/

In another word, TAC LIGHT. I think you'll agree, to ID your target is critical! :shocked:

Consider the TLR-1 for $123.99, also at MidwayUSA. Great light for the money! :thumbsup:

--Ray

BigBangTheory
07-12-2007, 18:17
Excellent, thanks M2, and thanks for all the responses. Much appreciated.

gator378
03-23-2010, 22:03
Sorry for this question yet again because I know I've read threads on this in the past, but like anything else, it can't be found when you need it.

I need some advice on sights. I recently installed trijicon sights, and much to my irritation (and waste of almost $100), can't see them worth a darn in the day because the front sight and rear sight sort of blend together into a fuzzy mass. Some years back I had a similar problem when bow hunting, and it was just because my eyes were getting older. Right now I'm thinking about a few different sights - either the XS Big Dots, or one of the Ameriglo sights. Ameriglo makes a "U-Rap" sight that looks like it has a huge open area in the rear sight, which is what I'm thinking I need. I've thought about fiber optic, but I understand they are useless in very low light. I like the TFOs but can't get over the lousy 90 day warranty.

Any comments and suggestions would be most appreciated - what do the older eyes out there like?? 63 with Tri-focals, still have the dog for backup. Switched to J-point red dot. The G20 good to 50 yards on the steel targets and great in low light or almost dark. Extremely Fast both eyes open put dot on target and that is it. Best move i made. The XS big dot sights worked pretty good for me to,

phonejack
03-24-2010, 05:33
I am 63 and have the same problem. nightstand gun has crimson trace grips.(love 'em) and my day gun has a pair of reading glasses (1.75) laying beside it. changing glasses is a pain but it is a cheap fix.:fred:

DWARREN123
03-24-2010, 08:52
I have found that Truglo's TFO work pretty good. Fibre optic for light conditions and good glow for night or dark conditions.

Brucev
03-24-2010, 10:37
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AZ Husker
03-24-2010, 14:13
On my AR an EOTech made a world of difference. Both eyes open, put the dot on the target. No need to line up blurry sights.

geckocavemen
03-24-2010, 18:46
First I got CT lasergrips. Then I added SureSights. Now I think I have the best of both worlds, for my eyes anyway.

Here are some threads about old eyes or SureSight.

http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=713466
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=685649
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=676429
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=669261
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=350419
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=652911
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=632099
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=626888
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=547749
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=525392
http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=474365



I'm not sure when you purchased your suresights, but I stumbled across a thread while researching them a few days ago. Based on what the company has done, I have to say there is no way I would take a chance on sending that company a single penny of mine. Here is the thread.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=904849&highlight=suresight

RayB
03-25-2010, 20:59
I'm not sure when you purchased your suresights, but I stumbled across a thread while researching them a few days ago. Based on what the company has done, I have to say there is no way I would take a chance on sending that company a single penny...



If the triangle concept appeals to you, check these out:

http://www.advantagetactical.com/store.htm

--Ray

g34fan
03-26-2010, 10:31
I wasn't ready to go the laser route yet. I have a Glock 34 that I use for competition and lasers are not allowed. Ultimately I narrowed my choices to the XS Big Dots and the TruGlo TFO sights and went with the TFO's. Now I have them on both my G34 and my G26 that I carry. Equally bright in the daytime as they are at night. Got them at Optics Planet.

The other suggestion I would make are these:

http://www.optx2020.com/safetyReadingLenses.cfm

Ultimately making your sights brighter will help but if they're blurry you still won't be as accurate as you would like to be. I wear bifocal glasses and front sight clarity is best viewed with the reading glass portion of my glasses. Problem is the reading glass portion of my glasses is at the bottom. For shooting I need them at the top. I looked into getting prescription shooting glasses. The feature I was looking for is referred to as inverted bifocals. Needless to say, they are quite expensive. I have shooting glasses that I use with interchangeable colored lenses. These go on with a drop of water, can be moved anytime I need to and cost less than $20. My scores have improved dramatically.

HAMMERHEAD
03-28-2010, 08:44
Heinie Straight Eights!
The deep, wide rear notch combined with a crisp, clear front sight really help me and my old eyes.

Maxwell
03-28-2010, 16:04
I too am so glad to see this answered. With 60 year old eyes and 25 years behind a 'tube' grunting code as a programmer I had wondered about the XS Big Dot. On my AR, the Eotech really made a difference.

Getting old stinks but the alternative is really bad.

Maxwell

rogerthedodger
03-29-2010, 12:04
I too am so glad to see this answered. With 60 year old eyes and 25 years behind a 'tube' grunting code as a programmer I had wondered about the XS Big Dot. On my AR, the Eotech really made a difference.

Getting old stinks but the alternative is really bad.

Maxwell

Yep, me too. Cobol, RPG, a few others. I put the XS Big dot on my G23 for home protection. Like them a lot. I am going to try reading glasses to help with sight picture. I also like CT lasers a lot. I am 70 going on 59 haha.

Maxwell
03-29-2010, 20:12
rogerthedodger

In 48 months COBOL and I will see the end of the line, I'm retiring. However, after over 40 years of running track and 30 years of crew my body is pretty well broken.

But I am looking forward to trying the XS Big Dot sights.

Maxwell