LMT vs CMMG?

[NeverMore1701]

I've always heard that LMT is "top tier", but how does CMMG stack up? Others with compareable quality (besides Colt)?

[SlamFire1]

“Top Tier” is a buzz word developed by the Colt and LMT snobs to sensationalize their own rifles……With that said, I have 6 CMMG uppers built on various lowers. LMT produces really good stuff….but so does CMMG. I don’t get wrapped up or buy into the whole “top tier” thing. You can’t go wrong with either manufacturer.

[Mwildt]

Agreed, "top tier" is a worthless phrase.

That being said, I have a CMMG barrel on my build with a LMT BCG and I haven't had any problems what so ever. Both companies put out great products.

:thumbsup:

[stmcelroy]

CMMG, LMT and Sabre Defence would be my top choices of quality guns with out the Colt Price tag.

Next step down would be a properly setup Stag Arms.

Buy the best quality you can afford.

Steve

[crazymoose]

Basically, LMT and Sabre high-pressure test their bolts and barrels, where CMMG does not. This is what keeps CMMG from being considered "Tier 1." The Tier system is not made up at all, and is a pretty good benchmark. That said, CMMG is my favorite AR-15 maker. They have excellent customer service, and a great variety of configurations available.

FWIW, I've never been too hot on the idea of HPT'ing a barrel or bolt, anyway. It might ensure that the barrel is free of flaws, but it also places undue stress on the bolt and barrel.

[SlamFire1]

I agree....the pressure testing kind of just irks me! I pressure test my CMMG barrels every time I go to the range anyway :supergrin:

[RojasTKD]

I'd take one of each to go with my newly aquired Colt.

[Tim13]

Quick question to you CMMG drivers. I know that their warranty states that it's void if you use Wolf, or other "unsafe ammo", blah, blah, blah.... Do any of you use steel case Wolf in a CMMG rifle or with a CMMG upper?

Not fanning flames, just trying to get info. I'm going to be in the market for my first, and likely, only evil black rifle in about 3-4 months. CMMG has the upper that I'd really like to get, but I'm shying away from it based on their forum at ar15.com, and their heels dug in stance against Wolf ammo being shot in their guns.

Tim

[stmcelroy]

Originally posted by Tim13
Quick question to you CMMG drivers. I know that their warranty states that it's void if you use Wolf, or other "unsafe ammo", blah, blah, blah.... Do any of you use steel case Wolf in a CMMG rifle or with a CMMG upper?

Not fanning flames, just trying to get info. I'm going to be in the market for my first, and likely, only evil black rifle in about 3-4 months. CMMG has the upper that I'd really like to get, but I'm shying away from it based on their forum at ar15.com, and their heels dug in stance against Wolf ammo being shot in their guns.

Tim

How will they know what you shot in your gun?

Shoot what you want, if you destroy the barrel using Wolf ammo so be it, i'm sure it will take you 10K rounds to do so. At that point spend $2-300 and replace the barrel.

Steve

[NeverMore1701]

I'm a bit leary of the HPT as well. Where are good (customer service and price) places to shop for CMMG?

[Minuteman]

Originally posted by Tim13
Quick question to you CMMG drivers. I know that their warranty states that it's void if you use Wolf, or other "unsafe ammo", blah, blah, blah.... Do any of you use steel case Wolf in a CMMG rifle or with a CMMG upper?

Not fanning flames, just trying to get info. I'm going to be in the market for my first, and likely, only evil black rifle in about 3-4 months. CMMG has the upper that I'd really like to get, but I'm shying away from it based on their forum at ar15.com, and their heels dug in stance against Wolf ammo being shot in their guns.

Tim


So you want a top tier gun to shoot junk ammo? My Bushmaster manual also says something similar. So does my CMP Garand manual, and Glock, etc.

I won't shoot steel ammo in my guns anyway. That is not what they were designed for.

Premium ammo + premium gun = Premium performance.

If you want to shoot wolf, buy an AK-47. That's what they were designed for.

:patriot:

[Minuteman]

I've never understood the mentality of those who are snobby about arguing guns like the AR vs AK type, then turn around and run the absolute cheapest steel cased ammo and reload seconds; Then they complain the gun isn't reliable.

Duh!

I won't shoot steel jacketed or moly ammo in a chorme barrel either. I use Aluminum mags and brass or nickel plated premium ammo. Copper jacketed bullets. No laquers, poly's, moly's or steels.

:patriot:

[SlamFire1]

Isn’t shooting Wolf through a LMT against some type or religion or something? If you want to shoot Wolf, by an Olympic!

[NeverMore1701]

So, best sources for LMT and CMMG?

[Minuteman]

Originally posted by NeverMore1701
So, best sources for LMT and CMMG?

You can order direct from CMMG. www.cmmginc.com


:patriot:

[RojasTKD]

So, best sources for LMT and CMMG?

This guy has some LMT's for sale.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6301

[Slvr Surfr]

Originally posted by Minuteman
So you want a top tier gun to shoot junk ammo? My Bushmaster manual also says something similar. So does my CMP Garand manual, and Glock, etc.

I won't shoot steel ammo in my guns anyway. That is not what they were designed for.

Premium ammo + premium gun = Premium performance.

If you want to shoot wolf, buy an AK-47. That's what they were designed for.

:patriot:

You sure ?

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e341/helas_9/AR15/BushmasterAmmoAdvisory.jpg

[crazymoose]

Originally posted by Minuteman
I've never understood the mentality of those who are snobby about arguing guns like the AR vs AK type, then turn around and run the absolute cheapest steel cased ammo and reload seconds; Then they complain the gun isn't reliable.

Duh!

I won't shoot steel jacketed or moly ammo in a chorme barrel either. I use Aluminum mags and brass or nickel plated premium ammo. Copper jacketed bullets. No laquers, poly's, moly's or steels.

:patriot:


Don't take this sarcastically, but some of us buy higher-end ARs because we intend to shoot them a lot, and don't want issues. Cases of ammo go pretty fast when you shoot regularly, and steel is just a lot cheaper to buy. I shoot little else but Wolf through both my POF piston gun and my builds with CMMG barrels. Never any issues. If something brakes, I can fix it or replace it myself. Haven't had any unusual parts wear or breakage yet, though. It's been my experience that good ARs will handle cheap ammo pretty well... it's the cheaper guns that are iffy about cheap ammo. YMMV.

[Tim13]

Well, I didn't expect to get my chops busted for being a cheap ass when it comes to ammo.

I have no illusions of being an elite special forces dude with a top tier AR that only gets fed the highest quality brass available. I'm a work-a-day guy that likes to shoot. I shoot for fun at the range, and have no snobbery towards steel cased ammo. If a gun will eat Wolf, then that is what it will get. I'd rather buy 2 cases of steel case versus 1 case of brass for the same amount of money.

Thanks for the opinions on what ammo that I should buy...lol, but I only really wanted to know if the CMMG stuff will run steel case, more specifically, Wolf. I was wanting to know if their "NO WOLF" attitude was a cop out because their gear isn't up to snuff, and is picky about what works in it.

Since this will be my only AR, I'd like to get one that will cycle ANY commercial ammo available. I don't want to be tied to one brand of ammo that I have to pay through the nose for. I'm willing to pay more for the gun if it will run steel case. I don't want to get a CMMG upper, run some Wolf, have a problem, and then have them say "too bad." So one person so far admits to running Wolf without a problem in a CMMG upper. That is encouraging.

As it stands, my options are basically limited to a Bushmaster complete rifle to get the options that I really want, unless I am convinced that the CMMG stuff will handle the Wolf.

Tim

[crazymoose]

Originally posted by Tim13
As it stands, my options are basically limited to a Bushmaster complete rifle to get the options that I really want, unless I am convinced that the CMMG stuff will handle the Wolf.

Tim


It should handle Wolf fine. My CMMG builds do. As I said, good guns will almost always handle steel ammo fine. Crappier guns tend to choke more on the cheaper ammo, and that's where a lot of the bad reputations come from, IMO.

I have never seen, in person, a Colt, CMMG, LMT, etc. that would not eat Wolf.

[mangkukhan]

Something to take into consideration is that it is my understanding that CMMG provides the receivers for Stag, S&W, RRA, Bushmaster, and Colt. Stag Arms is their subsidiary and house brand. All these companies are high quality, and if they'll trust CMMG parts then no reason for you not to.

[bdh_1]

Originally posted by mangkukhan
Something to take into consideration is that it is my understanding that CMMG provides the receivers for Stag, S&W, RRA, Bushmaster, and Colt. Stag Arms is their subsidiary and house brand. All these companies are high quality, and if they'll trust CMMG parts then no reason for you not to.

That would be CMT, not CMMG.

[crazymoose]

Originally posted by bdh_1
That would be CMT, not CMMG.

+1

Last time I checked CMMG was among the companies using CMT parts. I know for a fact that they used CMG BCG's, don't know for sure which other parts are CMT.

CMT makes good stuff. Only issue I've ever had with them is that the staking on their carrier keys is often disgraceful, but that's an easy fix.

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by bdh_1
That would be CMT, not CMMG.

+1

Also, last I checked, Bushmaster hasn't been getting receivers from CMT. I believe they get theirs from LAR.

[mangkukhan]

oops, wrong acronym.

[bdh_1]

Personally, I don't think HPT necessarily is a bad thing. If only HPT is done then yes, I'd say it is undue stressing parts, as it is just banging on parts to make sure they don't break. Since most manufacturers conduct MPI testing post HPT, any voids or cracks will be found before parts are sent out to be put in service. Without HPT and MPI, parts are assumed good and manufacturing flaws will not be identified until the parts are shipped and used in service. HPT used in conjunction with MPI gives a much clearer picture of manufacturing problems prior to parts being placed into service, vice either test alone.