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antediluvianist
07-22-2007, 20:19
Here we go again, all the commentators on TV talking about "Poverty Alleviation" blah blah blah...opponents say the poor are still poor (no kidding?)...admin. people talk about economic progress (yes, oaverall there has been some).

But the population is just too big, and will keep expanding at a rate incompatible with really significant per-capita improvement. The World Bank projects 210 millionn Filipinos by 2050. Awful.
Just considering water, metro manila will be in crisis within 7 years.

Stop having big families, you free-loading, voting poor. How do you expect to better your lives if you have 4, 5, 6, 7 children?

riddler
07-22-2007, 20:45
Originally posted by antediluvianist
Here we go again, all the commentators on TV talking about "Poverty Alleviation" blah blah blah...opponents say the poor are still poor (no kidding?)...admin. people talk about economic progress (yes, oaverall there has been some).

But the population is just too big, and will keep expanding at a rate incompatible with really significant per-capita improvement. The World Bank projects 210 millionn Filipinos by 2050. Awful.
Just considering water, metro manila will be in crisis within 7 years.

Stop having big families, you free-loading, voting poor. How do you expect to better your lives if you have 4, 5, 6, 7 children?

I share your views! Somehow, somewhere in history we succumbed to the victim mentality. We felt that someone owes us something just for being Filipinos....when it is only us to blame for our predicament.

It is human nature to have some sort of control over something. I guess if all else is beyond such, then maybe some think that having children is their way of having control. The problem is, at what price to themselves, their kids, and to our nation?

Kaiser Soze
07-22-2007, 21:26
TSK. Sometimes I wish that only taxpayers could have the right to vote.

Valor1
07-22-2007, 21:26
Better stop buying or even gazing at FHM,MAxim, etc. Don't patronize the pirated hentai dvd's. :supergrin:

Glock_19_9x19
07-22-2007, 21:58
I'd say that the poor should undergo compulsory sterilization enforced by the state. That's the last resort..

Why can't we do what Brazil does to its poor? Nakakumpol sila lahat to one area of a city and they can't squat anywhere else. Kaysa nakakalat sila sa buong Metro Manila.


We should push them out of the metropolis. Relocate them to rural areas. Put them into communal farms. Instead of producing 7 or 8 kid per family, they can produce crops and livestock. In that way, mas makakatulong sila sa bansa natin..

My two cents. BTW.. I have no plans to run sa next elections :)

PMMA97
07-22-2007, 22:35
Originally posted by Glock_19_9x19
The poor should undergo compulsory sterilization enforced by the state.


Ay Wow... Hitler ikaw ba yan? :shocked:

isuzu
07-22-2007, 22:48
Whenever the government tries to introduce birth control programs, the church meddles in the affairs of the state. When SHTF, the church simply washes its hands.

Does the church in the Philippines have a clear program on how to address the population explosion; as Ante said, according to the WB, 210 million by 2050?

Take into consideration that wheat and produce prices here are expected to rise because farmers here are converting their wheat farms to canola and corn. They want to take advantage of the expected rise in demand for alternative fuels. Even Alberta, who has the world's third largest oil deposit, and Saskatchewan, who is a big wheat producer, are seeing a rise in canola farms.

riddler
07-22-2007, 23:04
Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
TSK. Sometimes I wish that only taxpayers could have the right to vote.

That is too much to ask. I would be content with letting only those who can read/write complete correct sentences vote!

Glock_19_9x19
07-22-2007, 23:32
Originally posted by PMMA97
Ay Wow... Hitler ikaw ba yan? :shocked:

Hindi po :) I said nothing about extermination. Think of all those homeless/jobless folks being given the chance to improve themselves and help our beloved country.

TTPower
07-22-2007, 23:45
Originally posted by Glock_19_9x19

Why can't we do what Brazil does to its poor? Nakakumpol sila lahat to one area of a city and they can't squat anywhere else. Kaysa nakakalat sila sa buong Metro Manila.


We should push them out of the metropolis. Relocate them to rural areas. Put them into communal farms. Instead of producing 7 or 8 kid per family, they can produce crops and livestock. In that way, mas makakatulong sila sa bansa natin..

My two cents. BTW.. I have no plans to run sa next elections :)

hhhmmmmmmm..... i like this idea :) gaganda pa manila! and it will drive the criminals out of the metro! question is how do classify who's in and who's out hehehehe

PMMA97
07-23-2007, 02:40
Originally posted by Glock_19_9x19
Hindi po :) I said nothing about extermination. Think of all those homeless/jobless folks being given the chance to improve themselves and help our beloved country.

I'm just yanking your chain bunkmate. :)

Your comment just hit me like a ton of bricks, I immediately thought of the Nazi party and their purportedly "good" intention of sanitizing the misfits of societies.

I came from a very poor family but my parents only had three offspring of which I am eldest. I am still "poor" because I am not rich but my wife and I agreed to only have two kids. I am just saying that this population thing is not about rich or poor. I think it's in one's state of mind. If one just go blindly making babies you will also be contributing to the problem.

There must be a drive to teach people that making babies beyond your pay scale or your ability to monitor, love and teach them the ways of life is a big no no. Kawawa ang mga magiging anak.

Just my .02 worth.

charlie-xray
07-23-2007, 03:16
Sir KS, I could not agree more strongly with you.

Let the politicians try and bribe a middle class earner, they'd be shamed for SURE.

Originally posted by Kaiser Soze
TSK. Sometimes I wish that only taxpayers could have the right to vote.

charlie-xray
07-23-2007, 03:19
You beat me to the punch on this one Isuzu, truly my sentiment.

Rhytmn and natural birth controls DOES NOT WORK, WILL NOT WORK AND IS NOT WORKING!!!!


Originally posted by isuzu
Whenever the government tries to introduce birth control programs, the church meddles in the affairs of the state. When SHTF, the church simply washes its hands.

Does the church in the Philippines have a clear program on how to address the population explosion; as Ante said, according to the WB, 210 million by 2050?

Take into consideration that wheat and produce prices here are expected to rise because farmers here are converting their wheat farms to canola and corn. They want to take advantage of the expected rise in demand for alternative fuels. Even Alberta, who has the world's third largest oil deposit, and Saskatchewan, who is a big wheat producer, are seeing a rise in canola farms.

charlie-xray
07-23-2007, 03:21
ITR and visual inspection of your assets and dwellings.

Or uso naman ito ngayon "text vote".

Originally posted by TTPower
hhhmmmmmmm..... i like this idea :) gaganda pa manila! and it will drive the criminals out of the metro! question is how do classify who's in and who's out hehehehe

antediluvianist
07-23-2007, 04:03
Well, the SONA is over and as usual no stand on population. A lot of blah blah about many other things but nothing about this huge problem staring us in the face. Can't disturb the church and lose all those votes.

cebuboy
07-23-2007, 04:06
if only we have leaders who got BALLS.....

Glock_19_9x19
07-23-2007, 04:11
That's the usual SONA....

Sir PMMA97, i sent you a PM

PMMA97
07-23-2007, 04:33
Originally posted by Glock_19_9x19
Sir PMMA97, i sent you a PM

PM replied to but unfortunately your inbox is full. :)

charlie-xray
07-23-2007, 04:45
We'll just continue to be a government sponsored human trafficker (OFW's) :steamed: :steamed: :steamed: :steamed: :steamed: :sadangel: :sadangel:

Originally posted by antediluvianist
Well, the SONA is over and as usual no stand on population. A lot of blah blah about many other things but nothing about this huge problem staring us in the face. Can't disturb the church and lose all those votes.

brawnless
07-23-2007, 05:45
Originally posted by antediluvianist

Stop having big families, you free-loading, voting poor. How do you expect to better your lives if you have 4, 5, 6, 7 children?


... by having MORE children? :supergrin:


Bane and Boon of Family Size

The marginalized poor would have little to loose and much to gain by having more children.

With more children, it would be easier to farm / beg. More manpower, more covered areas.

In case the child gets run over by a vehicle, the parents get paid. The children can easily be used as fronts in relocations / demolitions.

As the children grows older, they can be sold / pimped / sent to work abroad / used to take care of the younger siblings.

There is strength in numbers. As the family grows, the squatter colony grows. Vote rich and almost impossible to relocate.

Should the child be lucky enough to find a white collar job / get married to a rich foreigner, the parents would move up the food chain.

Ironically, it is the more educated people, the rich, the industralized countries that limits family size voluntarily.

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What is the probability that Mang Pandoy's only son would eventually earn more than him? Would the answer be the same if Mang Pandoy has 10 children instead of 1?

Would the case above have the same answers if applied to Bill Gates? :)

Also consider the following formula:

idle time + no money + boredom = :banana:

Allegra
07-23-2007, 05:49
Guys wag nyo naman kawawain mga hampas lupa na yan
:)

charlie-xray
07-23-2007, 06:16
They did it to themselves :wavey: :wavey:

Originally posted by Allegra
Guys wag nyo naman kawawain mga hampas lupa na yan
:)

KevlarSix
07-23-2007, 06:29
Originally posted by isuzu
Whenever the government tries to introduce birth control programs, the church meddles in the affairs of the state. When SHTF, the church simply washes its hands.

Does the church in the Philippines have a clear program on how to address the population explosion; as Ante said, according to the WB, 210 million by 2050?


I think the Catholic Church gets more powerful if there are more poverty here in the Philippines especially during elections where they endorse candidates. Candidates who will turn a blind eye on taxation of Catholic church owned lands (Which might be better off donated to the poor)

In more developed countries where there is less poverty, the church does not interfere with the affairs of the state.

charlie-xray
07-23-2007, 06:40
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Originally posted by KevlarSix
I think the church gets more powerful if there are more poverty here in the Philippines.

anticentipede
07-23-2007, 09:47
Such anti-Church sentiments.

The problem is not the population, the problem is the socialist policies of the government.

Thye government is the problem. Not the Church, the Church is the solution.

The solution is to follow God's teachings.

The Catholic Church is right, there should be no contraception, only natural family planning should be allowed.

What must be abolished is the minimum wage, the labor code and all govt welfare, including all welfare related govt agencies.

Then taxes must be lowered.

Do that and you end up turning a disadvantage into an advantage.

You also end up discouraging the free-loading mentality, which is promoted by welfare and the SSS.

Less taxes will also encourage the middle class and the rich to have more children , which will reduce the demographic imbalance between the poor and the upper classes.


The govt should never use govt money to help the poor, when govt helps the poor, the result is always high taxes and corruption.


Leave helping the poor, to the charitable orgs and churches.




Read this and learn:

How Big Government Breeds Vice: Perverse Incentives of the Welfare State
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/gs070207.html

Allegra
07-23-2007, 10:30
Wag nyo na problemahin yung overpopulation, pupunta rin lahat tayo sa abroad
Ang importante magtuto na tayo mag Koreano


edit-the Koreans I see here keep wearing their UP shirts. Nationalistic! :)

PMMA97
07-23-2007, 15:17
Originally posted by Allegra
Guys wag nyo naman kawawain mga hampas lupa na yan
:)

Aren't they are the same group of people that you help train working law enforcement? :supergrin:

Tejeron
07-23-2007, 17:29
STATISTICS ON BIRTH RATES:
In ITALY-zero birth rate.
In CHINA- they stop at one.
In SINGAPORE- they stop at two.
In the PHILS- they stop at six,
in the morning!

Allegra
07-23-2007, 18:23
Originally posted by PMMA97
Aren't they are the same group of people that you help train working law enforcement? :supergrin:


Dont mind me
I'm rarely serious :)

antediluvianist
07-23-2007, 18:43
"The Catholic Church is right, there should be no contraception, only natural family planning should be allowed."

Oh, well, that's the obvious solution isn't it? Obviously the ignorant and illiterate are adept at the rhythm method. That's why they have so many children.

choi_tan2000
07-23-2007, 18:47
well in the bible and the law it is always the unfortunate (poor ) are being protected............

i think it is not about excluding this people.. it is about how are we going to help them sometimes we keep on hating them but have we tried to help them ?? can we eat well while somebody is hungry outside our home. well thats what i can imagine after 2050 .. if we will not be doing something to help our countrymen..

if we are thinking of excluding the poors, wow where talking of almost 60-70 of filipinos (48million pinoys) wow i means civil war i think..

a lot of economist say its not realy population its the government ..imagine the 3 trillion infra project of this admin now...... 40-50 % of this goes to corruption .... its nearly 1.5 trillion ... it it can be mange well i think we can have some progressive program for the poor and population control..


we need a brilliant leader who can realy do what is right and not how to becaome popular..

baka merun dyan from BOG's hehehe

lets go microfinance bro's lets help this people.. lets work with them than junking them.. they need us too as well as we do

just me opinion

isuzu
07-23-2007, 19:51
Originally posted by anticentipede
Thye government is the problem. Not the Church, the Church is the solution.

What must be abolished is the minimum wage, the labor code and all govt welfare, including all welfare related govt agencies.

Then taxes must be lowered.


The govt should never use govt money to help the poor, when govt helps the poor, the result is always high taxes and corruption.


Leave helping the poor, to the charitable orgs and churches.

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The church should never meddle in the affairs of the state. Does the state meddle in the church's affairs? Whenever the church meddles in the affairs of the church and things go wrong, the church simply shuts up or disappears from the picture.

Try abolishing the minimum wage, and we may end up with a disaster. Others would say, "no more minimum wage, so we could lower the workers' wages." That safety net, although not perfect, would be taken away from the daily wage earner.

Take the labor code out, and the employee would further suffer.

Take out the welfare-related agencies. DSWD included. Not a chance. Charitable orgs and the church will only shell out money if they have it. If they don't, they'll have to source it. It takes time.

Lower the taxes? The country could even barely make out with the current taxes, corruption factored in the equation. But with the implementation of the e-vat, the country's ratings went up, we have a higher investor confidence, and the country would be able to pay off its obligations.

The government should help the poor, no matter what. They are also CITIZENS of the Philippines, and they have the right to seek assistance from the government; and the government has every right to extend assistance to its citizens.

That's why there's what we call a separation of the church and state.

Allegra
07-23-2007, 20:29
Forget the govt , lalo lang gugulo
Pag laki ko , I'll put up a microlending porgram for the poor housewives kasi sila naman nagtatarbaho not their POS husbands
And two , this I want to encourage BOGS sana
Magpaaral kayo ng DESERVING scholars
The fact that they are doing good in school means may talent at may ambition.

One of the top high schools here sa Pilipinas costs just 4t for a years tuition.
Naghahanap sila ng sponsors for some kids who passed the very hard entrance exams

choi_tan2000
07-23-2007, 21:39
thats were i am involve now sir microlending foe women

Glock_19_9x19
07-23-2007, 22:39
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charlie-xray
07-24-2007, 00:16
Let us straighten it out, nobody is wants to discount or dis-enfranchise the poor I was very poor once and just poor now so here's my take on it.

THE POOR SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH. Look at middle-class earners, ask them how many kids they want and why they always THINK WHAT TO FEED THEM? Why does the lower class of our citizenry doesn't think of this?

OK we all know the Church meddles in politics, BUT WHY are they very noisy when it comes to bringing down presidents (Marcos and Erap) but NOT when teaching the lower class of our society to THINK WHAT TO FEED THEIR 10 Kids while they drive around in their pedicabs.

I think the Church should meddle MORE, meddle more in the right aspects of it and for crying out loud Rhytmn and Natural method of birth control does not work especially if the ordinary Juan is intoxicated with St. Gabriels Gin or more commonly known as GINEBRA.

Or better yet concerning WELFARE, why can't it be made MANDATORY that the Church pay taxes or a certain portion of their earnings be made AUTOMATICALLY allocated for WELFARE if they are really serious in helping??? (Just thinking out loud and this is my opinion, if you don't like it I don't care)

antediluvianist
07-24-2007, 00:53
I will consider the Church sincere when we can see the Church paying for the decent upbringing, and education, of all those many children born from the prohibition against condoms. Let the Church put its money where its mouth is.