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Slindsay08
07-26-2007, 17:45
Does being Recon or scout/sniper have a more negative affect then being a regular Marine. Ive just wondered about it, didnt know if it would be bad like Army Delta, either way i am going to try for Recon and maybe eventually scout/sniper. (DEPed in 20070713) ship to bootcamp 20080610

RM
07-27-2007, 15:04
Just about any MOS in the Marines now is hard on family life, the tour before this one I did over 3/4 of it deployed. On my current tour, I am TAD or away from the house about half of ever month.

Slindsay08
07-27-2007, 15:29
But its manageable right.

RM
07-27-2007, 16:14
It is hard on relationship or marriage. It takes a very strong women to handle it, some people can make it work some cannot. The military has always been hard on marriages, but since the GWOT it has seemed to be worse.

Both partners have to understand that you will go gone more than half the time. Even in lower echelon units like battalions and squadrons, the seven months you are deploy is normally preceded by a 6 month work up in which you are training most of the time. So that six months to a year back prior to going back out isn't really six months at home.

Kingslayer
07-30-2007, 09:37
Originally posted by Slindsay08
But its manageable right.

Honestly, you won't know until you do it. That's the bad part. I've seen the strongest marriages fall apart and I've seen the ones nobody expects to last flourish. And these were only on 6 month peacetime deployments.

Throw in the stress of combat on the stateside half of the relationship and it's even harder.

I watched a show on military wives and what they go through. How they watch the tv half in hopes of seeing their loved one alive and half in horror they'll see their loved on dead. I'm glad my wife didn't have to go through that.

But if the relationship does make it, then you know you have a keeper without question.

Whiskey Six
07-30-2007, 10:45
"If the Marine Corps wanted you to have a family they would issue you one":rofl:

In any combat arms MOS you will be deployed often. Even when not deployed you will spend many nights away from the wife. During one two year stretch I was deployed for 14 months. Wife even had an affair while I was in Desert Storm. (no longer the wife):tongueout: Even at Camp Pend we were often in the field a couple of nights a week. Recon and Sniper won't be much different except for all the 2, 3,5,6,8 or more week schools you get to go to.

Bottom line... Wifey will be sleeping alone (hopefully) many, many, many nights while you are out having a blast.:thumbsup:

Semper Fi
Mark
0311, 0313, 0369

Slindsay08
07-30-2007, 11:58
Thanks for the info fellas. Its pretty much what i thought, but wanted it confirmed. Still havent decided if i ought to pursue a relationship in the Corps

"If the Marine Corps wanted you to have a family they would issue you one" -mcdonnellms

Thats how i see it.

Marine8541
07-30-2007, 13:58
Originally posted by Slindsay08
Thanks for the info fellas. Its pretty much what i thought, but wanted it confirmed. Still havent decided if i ought to pursue a relationship in the Corps

"If the Marine Corps wanted you to have a family they would issue you one" -mcdonnellms

Thats how i see it.

Unless you do a four and out you're looking at a very lonely and unfullfilled life. It's one thing to choose not to marry or not to have kids but do so without putting the blame on the Marines. Like King said it's a hard life on the wives and certain ladies are cut out for it and some are not. The same can be said for the Marines, some guys can't handle temptaion or being seperated either.

The USMC has advanced light years the last 30 years in the area of family support. Everything from MWR to schools, deployment support to all sorts of counsiling is available to families. Not to BS you it's a tough life but it's a good one.

I can only speak for Scout snipers on the rest of your question. We were in the field on training/work ups and schools at a much higher rate than line company Marines. Durining times of crisis and war we are deployed at a higher rate. It's not uncommon for Scout Snipers to cross deck to another BLT quickly for redeployment so they can be TO. BTW you don't try out for Scout Snipers until you get an invite. :thumbsup:

Slindsay08
07-30-2007, 18:57
No, i wasnt putting any blame on the Corps at all. If any of the blame would be pointed anywhere if i choose not to pursue a relationship in the Corps, any blame would be put on myself, as it would be MY choice not to have my girlfriend/wife or whatever go through the hardship. The Corps would have nothing to do with it. As for what i have thought about, i think i will do 20 or so and yes i would probably try a relationship with someone i deem capable.

I believe ya on the good life, ive heard of relationships going great in the service (as well as bad). I know it all depends on the people.

My real want is for Recon, i would be happy with that. But i wouldnt turn down the invite for scout/sniper if id get it ;) which doubtful i am, still a possibility

Whiskey Six
07-30-2007, 22:33
I sure wouldn't call my years in the Corps lonely or unfulfilled. These were some of the absolute best times of my life. For me, the time in the field was the best. That is what the Corps is all about. My time as a Platoon Sergeant and Platoon Commander in 1st Light Armored Recon Bn were some of the most challenging, rewarding and fulfilling years I have lived. I miss it daily.

Mark

Marine8541
08-02-2007, 11:37
Originally posted by Slindsay08
No, i wasnt putting any blame on the Corps at all. If any of the blame would be pointed anywhere if i choose not to pursue a relationship in the Corps, any blame would be put on myself, as it would be MY choice not to have my girlfriend/wife or whatever go through the hardship. The Corps would have nothing to do with it. As for what i have thought about, i think i will do 20 or so and yes i would probably try a relationship with someone i deem capable.



Yong man I love your enthusiasm but back off the throtle a bit. Consentrate on making it through boot and school and then go from there. Your worried about things that have yet to come. Enjoy the moment and follow your goals. I saw Marines who I was sure were four and outs who were 20+ year men and I saw gung ho Marines that ran out of gas or their goals changed and did four and out. Go for it and live the moment before planning out the next 20 or 30 years. The one thing I can promise you is that no one can tell if they are capable of making the cut and living the life until they do it.

Marine8541
08-02-2007, 11:47
Originally posted by mcdonnellms
I sure wouldn't call my years in the Corps lonely or unfulfilled. These were some of the absolute best times of my life. For me, the time in the field was the best. That is what the Corps is all about. My time as a Platoon Sergeant and Platoon Commander in 1st Light Armored Recon Bn were some of the most challenging, rewarding and fulfilling years I have lived. I miss it daily.

Mark

Mark I wasn't trying to say that anyone who was in and didn't have a family was leading an unfullfilled life. I was trying to tell him that making blanket desisions based on just what others say for the next 20 or 30 years of his life wasn't the smartest thing to do. I guess the way I worded it wasn't the smartest way either but I was trying not to burst his bubble. He's making life desisions for the next 30 based on not doing oner day in the Corps. How many John Waynes who were ready to do it all did we see not finish the job?

I should have told him to live the life before making a decision.

Slindsay08
08-02-2007, 12:31
No im not worried about it at all, its hard to explain why i asked but what i will/wont do doesnt have much to do with why i asked. lol as for my goals, only ones i have are to Become a Marine and make it into Recon. Ill be happy with just those, yet they will be on the top of the hardest things ive ever doen in my life. and as for the next 20-30 years, what kinda college credit i get will lead to what im going to do AFTER im outta the Corps (be it the 4 years or 20 years) which is become a police officer/sheriff/ or higher if possible, and own bar :)

Whiskey Six
08-02-2007, 13:17
Want to share a story. During my career I did a tour as a Recruiter. I had a young man walk into my office one day. "6'2 eyes of blue" is the saying that comes to mind. Absolute poster Marine. Valedectorian. All State athlete. Full ride athletic AND academic scholarship to Kansas University. Perfect score on the ASVAB. 300 PFT. Told me all he ever wanted was to be a Marine Grunt. Went to bootcamp and graduated as Platoon and Company Honor Grad. Graduated number one from Infantry School. I got a letter from him saying that he had found his true place in the world. Was made a fire team leader almost immediately upon assignment to a Batallion. Took Recon indoc and Scout/Sniper indoc and passed both easily. Came home on leave to get married. I went to his wedding and gave him my old beat up K-Bar as a present.

His absolutely stunning, covergirl model beautiful wifey didn't want him doing Recon or Sniper or anything much else. He got out after four years and now is divorced and roofing houses.

Be very certain of your choices. And if you want to try for Recon you better be able to swim like a fish. Just about anyone can train to pass the PT. It's the swimming that causes the most failures.

Semper Fi
Mark

Slindsay08
08-02-2007, 19:52
Thats one thing that would never happen, i dont care who she is but if they wouldnt be able to deal with what im doing then i dont need her. (sounds kinda mean but oh well)

Kingslayer
08-03-2007, 14:27
Originally posted by Slindsay08
Thats one thing that would never happen, i dont care who she is but if they wouldnt be able to deal with what im doing then i dont need her. (sounds kinda mean but oh well)

You can't say that. They might be able to deal with what you do in the beginning, but after a while it grinds on them. People change. You'll change. To say it won't happen is pretty short sighted.

My wife stuck it out through two peacetime deployments, tons of field ops, ship ops, and then test ops all over this country for months at a time. I honestly can't tell you if she could have coped with me being in Iraq, especially considering most guys in my MOS that I have talked to have done at least 2 tours there.

akapennypincher
08-09-2007, 09:28
Originally posted by Slindsay08
(DEPed in 20070713) ship to bootcamp 20080610

Think you ned to worry abvout finishing BOOT CAMP FIRST.... :wave: :wave: :wave:

Slindsay08
08-09-2007, 10:42
Im honestly not too worried about bootcamp, i am in the right shape, i already know alot of what im supposed to know. I really dont think its going to be as hard for me as it is with most people.

Marine8541
08-09-2007, 16:05
Originally posted by Slindsay08
Im honestly not too worried about bootcamp, i am in the right shape, i already know alot of what im supposed to know. I really dont think its going to be as hard for me as it is with most people.

Reading your posts in just this thread I can promise you you'll have more trouble than you think. I wish you well and I hope you the best.

akapennypincher
08-12-2007, 11:43
Originally posted by Slindsay08
Im honestly not too worried about bootcamp, i am in the right shape, i already know alot of what im supposed to know. I really dont think its going to be as hard for me as it is with most people.



When you get to Boot Camp become invisable, do nothing to stand out, and don't tell you D.I. anything you have said above. :rofl:

Kingslayer
08-13-2007, 13:56
We should get his address and send him cookies...

akapennypincher
08-13-2007, 17:24
Originally posted by Kingslayer
We should get his address and send him cookies...


Or PORN Magazines (Male porn Mags) :hugs:

corpdriller
08-23-2007, 03:15
Originally posted by Slindsay08
Im honestly not too worried about bootcamp, i am in the right shape, i already know alot of what im supposed to know. I really dont think its going to be as hard for me as it is with most people.

The physical part of boot is the easiest. Especially now when recruiters won't send you if you can't pass a PFT.

The hardest part is the 12 week mindscrew. That's where the most drops come from.

You just keep telling yourself each minute/hour/day/training evolution that you will make it. Get a few buddies and help each other. That's the only way to make it.

My platoon started with 60 and graduated 43. 3 or 4 of those were pick-ups. I can't even remember the drops.

Man.....such a long time ago.

mitchshrader
08-23-2007, 03:34
do one thing.

you get through boot camp, you worry about your next assignment, not relationships or retirement.

one bite at a time. it's a big bite, chew slowly.

akapennypincher
08-26-2007, 12:39
Originally posted by mitchshrader
do one thing.

you get through boot camp, you worry about your next assignment, not relationships or retirement.

one bite at a time. it's a big bite, chew slowly.


Great advice... :soap:

Slindsay08
08-29-2007, 13:53
okay, thanks guys, ill take your advice and chew slowly. So far there are 2 other guys from our Pool thats going same time as me, dont know how many from the whole RSS are going to be going though, but with the other 2 i think that will help alot with motivation.