Army wants me to join [Archive] - Glock Talk

PDA

View Full Version : Army wants me to join


wil129
08-10-2007, 07:32
HI everyone yesterday I have taken my neighbor's son the the Army recuiter, while he was doing what he needed to do another recuiter asked if I wanted to join, I told him I am 37yrs old so he began to tell me that a person can join up to 42 yrs old. Before I start asking him questions has anyone just come out of bootcamp how rought is it or so, and since I have a BBA in finance will this increase my pay?

xxiv
08-10-2007, 13:43
Yeah you'll go in a an E4 probably due to your education. Damn college specialists!

What MOS (job) would you want to do in the military. I went through Infantry OSUT (one station unit training) so I can only give you advice on how that was in 2002.

Meat-Hook
08-14-2007, 19:30
I got out in '87, so go with what xxiv and others say as their information is a lot more recent and relavent than my outdated stuff.

In general, the Army/all branches of the military are a dictatorship for lack of a better term. In other words new recruits entering military service go thru a "transition" from civilian mindset and expectations over to a soldiers mindset.

During the physical and mental transition, recruits may struggle with the concept that they have "rights, civil rights" ect, and cant be spoken to that way nor told to do this-or-that. They have to get used to the concept that this is not a 9-5 job. That your hours on the job may be endless. And no....you dont get paid overtime. That you are there to do whatever needs to be done for however long it takes, for the "needs of the Army" or whatever it takes to accomplish the "mission". Period.

When I was in, the standard was that the Army was required to give you 2 hours of sleep every 24 hours if the mission required it. From what Ive read in the past I dont believe that to be still true. I think Ive read that (in present day Basic Training) the Army cannot use bad words/swearing/harsh language ect, on recruits and that recruits are entitled to 8 hours of sleep????????? Ive also heard of things called "stress cards"?? I dont know if that is still being used and in effect?????

Barracks life sucks. And so married guys usually live much better lives than all the single guys since they get to live in a house on/off base.

The Army can be a nomads life. Where the Army may tell you to pack your gear and move you to Germany/Korea, wherever. Just when you were feeling comfortable where you were already stationed. You never know when you are going to get that suprise. Especially if you have plenty of time left on your enlistment or you are a career soldier.

Of course there are plenty of positive things about the Army too. And Id say match your MOS to what makes you the most happy. Not just what the Army says your qualified for based on your ASVAB results or what the recruiter is steering you towards. So if you have a BBA in finance, then you can be sure thats exactly where they will direct you too. Heck, they may even want to to become an officer?? But it all depends on what what you are satisfied with? If finance is your calling and you are satified with that as an Army MOS then thats a benefit to all. If not? then consider other options/MOS.

because once you sign on the line and get sworn in, thats it. Your committed! And no,...the Army will not change its mind nor let you change yours. They will not allow you to change your MOS or anything else for that matter once you are sworn in. Its carved in stone and there is no turning back.

"Before I start asking him questions has anyone just come out of bootcamp how rought is it or so, and since I have a BBA in finance will this increase my pay?"

What are your questions?? This is a safer enviroment to ask them than a recruiters office. And you have a much greater pool of information rather than just 1 recruiter whose final objective is you get you to enlist. In this forum, nobody meets a quota. Nobody has recruiting goals to meet. They just tell it like it is and this information may pay off for you should you decide to enlist.

Speaking of:

"HI everyone yesterday I have taken my neighbor's son the the Army recuiter,....

Theres a story there.
;)

Why did you take your neighbors son to an Army recruiter instead of his father?

Very patrtiotic of you BTW. Are you prior service??? If so, when did you serve??

I did a similar type of thing to my best friends son. I didnt walk him down there myself. Even though I told him that if he decided to go to give me a call. Spent hours discussing the benefits and rewards of joining the United States Army and what a great start in life it was for any young man. I thought for sure my words had fallen on deaf ears.

Out of the blue one day, his mother/father call me up to break the news. He enlisted.

With no warning. Airborne/artillary.

The Army gave him his orders and a plane ticket to boot camp to start off his new career as a soldier. And what day was he due to fly out to Basic as one of Americas new soldiers??That was the morning that I turned on the TV to see one tower on fire and moments later to watch live on TV as the 2nd plane slamned into the 2nd tower. America was going to war.

September 11th, 2001.

Did your neighbors son enlist? If so, details??

Please keep us posted. This is an interesting thread.

Sam White
08-14-2007, 20:54
I went to Basic in 2002. There were no "stress cards." I do not know anyone who's actually seen one. Although the cadre weren't "supposed" to yell/swear/taunt us, our cadre swore at us and called us everything they could think of. They told us the Basic Combat Training standard for sleep was a "suggested" 8 hours. I don't recall ever sleeping anywhere close to that amount in Basic. They told us "the Army says you can function as a soldier with 4 hours of sleep per day." Yes, you will most likely get E4 right away with college. But you will be treated as a private in Basic and AIT and will have to prove yourself at your unit. Many seem to have a problem with "college specialists" and will tell you so. FWIW, I was a "college specialist."

xxiv
08-15-2007, 00:16
Originally posted by Sam White
I went to Basic in 2002. There were no "stress cards." I do not know anyone who's actually seen one. Although the cadre weren't "supposed" to yell/swear/taunt us, our cadre swore at us and called us everything they could think of. They told us the Basic Combat Training standard for sleep was a "suggested" 8 hours. I don't recall ever sleeping anywhere close to that amount in Basic. They told us "the Army says you can function as a soldier with 4 hours of sleep per day." Yes, you will most likely get E4 right away with college. But you will be treated as a private in Basic and AIT and will have to prove yourself at your unit. Many seem to have a problem with "college specialists" and will tell you so. FWIW, I was a "college specialist."

Yep, never saw or heard about anybody actually using a stress card. Drills were still stomping helmets into mud during IMT drills and generally breathing fire into your face. At Benning anyway, and as always, some Drills are worse than others. Luck of the draw.

The college E4 thing. If a college E4 keeps his mouth shut and realizes he holds no more power than a private E1, then no problem. If he tries to flex like the other E4 SPC/CPL's then he's going to get put in his place with the quickness. Nobody likes a college E4 who has an attitude and should be an E1/E2. Personally I'll be honest, I don't like the idea of soldiers skipping private ranks. Being a private is essential for proper indoctrination and assimilation into a unit. It's a passage.

Currahee
08-15-2007, 05:03
Socially you will be stuck with a bunch of 18-20 year olds. All the people your age will have much higher rank and you'll have no one to hang out with. Unless you REALLY want to join I would say "Don't do it!!!"

Blitzer
08-15-2007, 05:14
If I had it to do over I would have got an Electronics Degree and signed up for the Air Force's ROTC program or gone to 90 wonder school and gotten an Officer's rating. An Electronics officer lived a good life.

I scored very high on my entrance exams and nearly aced the spatial relationships test section. I had nearly any job I wanted except that I needed corrective lens; which kept me out of the Missile maintenance and Nuclear programs. I went enlisted, RADAR systems repairman.

I was supposed be to scheduled for a new RADAR tactical system that that TAC had fielded. Someone dropped the ball and I shipped out to Germany without taking the 6 months course while I was stationed on the very same base for my Basic RADAR school! I never went to the new RADAR school and wasn't qualified to work on the new field equipment or the AWACS planes. There was no way I could get sent to the new school from the filed. So I spent the next 3 1/2 years doing crap work, read flying a desk and guard duty as a result. So watch your butt if you go in.

Years later I found I could have hired an attorney and gotten out on a breach of contract.

Work in your civilian or degreed specialty. ;)

wil129
08-15-2007, 10:45
[i
"HI everyone yesterday I have taken my neighbor's son the the Army recuiter,....

Theres a story there.
;)

Why did you take your neighbors son to an Army recruiter instead of his father?


My neightbors father only cares about one person sadly himself he is not a friendly person or violent either. His son is very intelligent he took his ASVAB and scored high sorry don't know what score was or the Military score system.

Very patrtiotic of you BTW. Are you prior service??? If so, when did you serve??


No prior service.thought about it but went to college instead.



Did your neighbors son enlist?

Not yet taking physical

If so, details??
Will let yall know what he decides.

Please keep us posted. This is an interesting thread. [/B]

Meat-Hook
08-16-2007, 01:54
My neightbors father only cares about one person sadly himself he is not a friendly person or violent either. His son is very intelligent he took his ASVAB and scored high sorry don't know what score was or the Military score system.
**************

And you are 10 X times the man his father is. God bless both of you. Especially you for taking this young man/future soldier under your wing.

"No prior service.thought about it but went to college instead."

Amen to that. Not that prior service puts you above the rest of society. It might. It might not. I remember seeing guys in my ranks dealing huge amounts of drugs. Stone cold drug dealers.

But hey,...their "prior service"

:upeyes:

Each and every one of them should have been shot by a military firing squad if I had my way.

Contrast that with civilians who "never served". Guess who Id pick?

So keep up the good work 129. This is the making of a story. If you are able to make it all the way thru military testing process,..and your neighbors son at the same time ((what a story!)),..please keep us posted.

Li'll bit of potential "WOW!" factor going on here.

If you choose not to,..no dishonor. Not one bit.
-----------
Meat-Hook

wil129
08-16-2007, 07:55
Update neighboes kid scored a 52 on ASVAB on Monday tomorrow(Friday) he goes to MEPS for a physical, as for me I went ahead and took the ASVAB and scored a 42 I really don't know what the test numbers mean though. They want me to take a physical to,but I am married so have to see what the wife says about this. The kid is ready to go recuiter told him he could possibly be shipping out for basic on the 27 of August. What does MEPS stand for?

Slindsay08
08-16-2007, 09:55
Military Entrance Processing Station

16vmkII
08-16-2007, 10:24
Are we talking Reserve/Guard or Active Component? You have a degree, a wife and kids and you're actually thinking about joining the Army at the age of 37?

I am judgemental, so when I see an adult over the age of 30 who joins the Active military component (for a reason other than deep patriotic reasons and the war's been going on for years now, so that excuse don't really fly no more), I see a person who PROBABLY sucks at life. This soldier is usually emotionally and financially and personally unstable and will become a drain on their fellow soldiers and command. They will realize that they still can't run from their problems and in fact have just compounded their life issues, with low pay, long hours, future deployments and a culture that just doesn't give a **** about your personal problems.

But that's just my opinion and it is probably going to piss off those in GT.

Currahee
08-16-2007, 10:35
Originally posted by wil129
Update neighboes kid scored a 52 on ASVAB on Monday tomorrow(Friday) he goes to MEPS for a physical, as for me I went ahead and took the ASVAB and scored a 42 I really don't know what the test numbers mean though. They want me to take a physical to,but I am married so have to see what the wife says about this. The kid is ready to go recuiter told him he could possibly be shipping out for basic on the 27 of August. What does MEPS stand for?

42 & 52??? - you are both prime Infantry material!!! :rofl:

16vmkII
08-16-2007, 10:53
Originally posted by Currahee
42 & 52??? - you are both prime Infantry material!!! :rofl:

I want to know what their GT scores are....

I have a feeling the MOS's offered will consist of one of the following:

Laundry and Bath Specialist

PS, I like your sig SGT Currahee :supergrin:

wil129
08-16-2007, 11:39
Well according to the recuiter a score of 42 is considered an "A"
if I decide to join the jobs I qualify are Accounting Specialist or other admistrative serices. And with the score of 52 he choose a job in Electronic Maintance.

wil129
08-16-2007, 11:41
Originally posted by 16vmkII
Are we talking Reserve/Guard or Active Component? You have a degree, a wife and kids and you're actually thinking about joining the Army at the age of 37?

I am judgemental, but when I see an adult over the age of 30 who joins the Active military component (for a reason other than deep patriotic reasons and the war's been going on for years now, so that excuse don't really fly no more), I see a person who PROBABLY sucks at life. This soldier is usually emotionally and financially and personally unstable and will become a drain on their fellow soldiers and command. They will realize that they still can't run from their problems and in fact have just compounded their life issues, with low pay, long hours, future deployments and a culture that just doesn't give a **** about your personal problems.

But that's just my opinion and it is probably going to piss off those in GT.
I respect your opinion I didn't say I was gonna join, just that the Army recuiter wanted to know if I would be intestered in joining thats all

Currahee
08-16-2007, 11:44
A thick skin is the first thing you'll need if you do join :thumbsup:

16vmkII
08-16-2007, 11:49
Originally posted by wil129
I respect your opinion I didn't say I was gonna join, just that the Army recuiter wanted to know if I would be intestered in joining thats all

And you expressed interest by A) Listening to the Recruiter and B) Going to MEPS and taking the ASVAB. Unless you two took the practice ASVAB in the recruiting office...

16vmkII
08-16-2007, 11:51
Originally posted by wil129
Well according to the recuiter a score of 42 is considered an "A"
if I decide to join the jobs I qualify are Accounting Specialist or other admistrative serices. And with the score of 52 he choose a job in Electronic Maintance.

Just curious, but what was your GT Score?

<---I'm not trying to be argumentative or a jerk..I swear! I don't know how the scores work beyond line and GT (and I'm a Soldier). :)

wil129
08-16-2007, 11:59
Originally posted by 16vmkII
And you expressed interest by A) Listening to the Recruiter and B) Going to MEPS and taking the ASVAB. Unless you two took the practice ASVAB in the recruiting office...

I took the practics test in recuiter office and they said I scored a 42

16vmkII
08-16-2007, 12:10
Originally posted by wil129
I took the practics test in recuiter office and they said I scored a 42

Thank you for the clarification. If I had what you had (degree, kids, age), I would go Airforce rather than Army. It is a different culture. This isn't meant to be insulting, but rather to help you. I think it would be more 9-5 than what the Army will offer you. With your degree, you could possibly go the Officer route in the Reserve or Guard and get a feel for what the military life can be like (kind of, but still not that accurate of a comparison to the active side of the house).

Whatever you choose, I do wish you the best and success.

Tim

Currahee
08-16-2007, 12:16
I would recommend staying away from the Army at your age and the point in life where you are. I had a soldier who was 37, real nice guy but physically it was just too much for him. He was KIA. Why put your family through that? military life is a BIG change not just for you but for your spouse and children.

16vmkII
08-16-2007, 12:19
Originally posted by Currahee
I would recommend staying away from the Army at your age and the point in life where you are. I had a soldier who was 37, real nice guy but physically it was just too much for him. He was KIA. Why put your family through that? military life is a BIG change not just for you but for your spouse and children.


Sorry to hear about your soldier. :sad:

Currahee
08-16-2007, 13:05
Thanks brother. My wife and I are naming our first born son after him. He was a great guy.

16vmkII
08-16-2007, 13:41
Originally posted by Currahee
Thanks brother. My wife and I are naming our first born son after him. He was a great guy.

Reading that just made me a little misty eyed. Thank you for honoring a fallen brother in such a meaningful and lasting manner.

wil129
08-22-2007, 12:27
Update my neighbors son is going to bootcamp on Aug 27th. He went to MEPS on Monday and is leaving this weekend. His job or MOS is a information technology specialist. I think he said he is going to FT Jackson for basic but not sure.

Currahee
08-22-2007, 13:09
"Relaxin' Jackson"

Why bother joining if you aren't going to get to blow stuff up? That's just my opinion.

You still thinking about it?

wil129
08-22-2007, 13:41
No I am not gonna join

shawnt64
08-27-2007, 09:04
i joined about a year ago. turned 42 in basic training hahaha basic isn't any fun and your ait might be a little bit of a pain, but now that i am in the regular army i love it. most of my hobbies are exercise related, ie mountain biking and weight lifting, so i didn't have too much of a problem with pt. i did have a few muscle aches just make sure you buy the best running shoes available like the niki shocks. 15t is probably the best mos in the enlisted ranks by the way :thumbsup:

i tried to get a few of the guys from the political forum to join up with me but i didn't get any takers ;)