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RTMonforte
08-11-2007, 23:34
tanong lang mga BOGS friends

sa features, alin pogi sa ngayong g19 o g21sf (except cal. ha)

may g19 na kasi ako, gusto ko sana 45 naman, pogi kaya siya

thx,

picture please

theTactician
08-11-2007, 23:52
my vote goes for the newer g21sf

royal glockster
08-12-2007, 08:15
Originally posted by RTMonforte
tanong lang mga BOGS friends

sa features, alin pogi sa ngayong g19 o g21sf (except cal. ha)

may g19 na kasi ako, gusto ko sana 45 naman, pogi kaya siya

thx,

picture please

no comparison..parehong silang glock eh, therefore parehong pogi.:supergrin:

I have a g19 ang love it, i like to have a g21sf though so that i will have a glock in .45acp aside from my cheap 1911...hehe:banana:

vega
08-12-2007, 11:43
You have extra pogi points on G12SF:
1) Ambi mag release.
2) Picatinny rail.

RTMonforte
08-13-2007, 06:21
Originally posted by vega
You have extra pogi points on G12SF:
1) Ambi mag release.
2) Picatinny rail.

nakita ko sa MCS ang "FS" model, bakit po d nabago ang picatinny rail, sabi nila yon na daw ang G21FS.

tnx

vega
08-13-2007, 06:41
Originally posted by RTMonforte
nakita ko sa MCS ang "FS" model, bakit po d nabago ang picatinny rail, sabi nila yon na daw ang G21FS.

tnx
There are two versions of G21SF, one which is CA compliant:
1) Non ambi mag release
2) Non picatinny rail.

Make sure you get the real SF. You cannot convert the non-ambi to ambi.

RTMonforte
08-13-2007, 19:44
Originally posted by vega
There are two versions of G21SF, one which is CA compliant:
1) Non ambi mag release
2) Non picatinny rail.

Make sure you get the real SF. You cannot convert the non-ambi to ambi.

im planning to buy na nga kahapon, kaya lang ang nakita ko ambi lang ang nabago,pero yong picatinny rail ay hindi,may tatak na rin siyang SF,

RTMonforte
08-14-2007, 00:01
ganito ba sir

batangueno
08-14-2007, 06:23
Originally posted by RTMonforte
ganito ba sir
Is that the stock grip, or was it modified already?

zorkd
08-14-2007, 06:40
the trigger looks smooth without the trigger safety.

mikol
08-14-2007, 07:56
Originally posted by batangueno
Is that the stock grip, or was it modified already?
eherrmmmm....wag mo nang pag interesan yan at marami ka nang handguns.
yung 10/22 nalang ang asikasuhin mo... :devildance: :tbo: :supergrin:

Kaiser Soze
08-14-2007, 10:16
It depends on your needs sir, try gripping the 21SF first, although it's slightly slimmer the G21, it's still pretty fat for most people's hands.

vega
08-14-2007, 14:02
Originally posted by RTMonforte
ganito ba sir
Your pic was already modified.

Dapat ganito.

http://www.topglock.com/images/glock21slim.jpg

RTMonforte
08-14-2007, 18:07
Originally posted by vega
Your pic was already modified.

Dapat ganito.

http://www.topglock.com/images/glock21slim.jpg

opo, siyanga po,

salamat po,

pero bakit iba po ang sa MCS, meron ba dito sa manila ng ganyang model,

meron kayang g19fs

tnx

vega
08-15-2007, 07:06
Originally posted by RTMonforte

pero bakit iba po ang sa MCS, meron ba dito sa manila ng ganyang model,

meron kayang g19fs

tnx

Tanong mo na lang sa MCS bakit iba ang model nila, Baka katulad ng Mariner, sa Asia lang yata mayroon.

G19FS? Slim naman ang G19, hindi na siguro. Yung G21SF sagot ni Gaston sa XD45. Slim kasi ang XD tapos 14 rounders pa.

batangueno
08-15-2007, 07:21
Originally posted by mikol
eherrmmmm....wag mo nang pag interesan yan at marami ka nang handguns.
yung 10/22 nalang ang asikasuhin mo... :devildance: :tbo: :supergrin:
:laughabove: konti lang nga eh...si vega ang madami. :supergrin:

When i got a hold of a G21SF last gunshow parang nothing special. Maybe because i'm used to the g17 grip and did not actually compared it to a g21.

RTMonforte
08-15-2007, 08:12
salamat mga sir,
pag isipan ko muna, baka mapunta ako sa new xd45 kun meron na si stronghand,

any comment about new xd45,di na raw kinakalawang at coated na raw ng melonite katapat ng tennifer ni glock

tnx

vega
08-15-2007, 17:27
Originally posted by RTMonforte
salamat mga sir,
pag isipan ko muna, baka mapunta ako sa new xd45 kun meron na si stronghand,

any comment about new xd45,di na raw kinakalawang at coated na raw ng melonite katapat ng tennifer ni glock

tnx
Copied from he manf's website. http://www.burlingtoneng.com/melonite.html

Melonite Processing:
The MELONITE® Nitrocarburizing Process

MELONITE is a thermochemical treatment for improving surface properties of metal parts. It exhibits predictable and repeatable results in the treating of low and medium carbon steels, alloy steels, stainless and austenitic steels, tool and die steels, cast and sintered iron.


Melonite Processing : Salt™ Bath Nitriding System
As the first job shop on the west coast to offer Melonite processing, Burlington uses its salt bath experience to diversify its servicing to the Southern California metal finishing industry. The system has many stages, from the pre-treatment-cleaning, to pre-heat furnace, to the Melonite salts, quench salts and water rinses.


Melonite Processing:
Melonite QPQ
Melonite™ and Melonite QPQ™ are thermochemical processes intended for the case hardening of iron based metals. These processes are categorized as molten salt bath ferritic nitrocarburizing. During these processes, nitrogen, carbon, and small amounts of oxygen are diffused into the surface of the steel, creating an epsilon iron nitride layer (e - FexN).

Tenifer Processing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenifer
Tenifer is a trademarked name for the end result of a chemical bath nitriding process that embeds nitrogen into an iron-containing alloy to create a corrosion-resistant finish that is a dull grey in color and extremely hard. The generic term for this type of process is carbonitriding. Other trade names for carbonitriding include Melonite, Sursulf, Arcor, Tufftride, and Koline.

And lastly: http://www.finishing.com/324/69.shtml
Tennifer and Melonite are trade names for firearm finishing processes that involve salt bath nitriding; so your request is somewhat like asking for a side-by-side comparison of Coke and Pepsi, Jim. Further, the heart of the matter is probably licensing rights rather than technology. I do not have any special inside information, but I believe that Glock will not let the supplier of this finish license it to any other firearms manufacturer; therefore, other firearms manufacturers are using a similar finish but from other chemical suppliers.

Historically, firearm parts were black oxided, which is an oxidation process which is only a few millionths of an inch thick, does not offer corrosion resistance, and doesn't alter the underlying steel. Salt bath nitriding is a case hardening process that leaves a fairly thick, corrosion resistant, hard surface.

So what would be your conclusion? Pareho lang sila?

Actually, the question should be: Is Tennifer spelled with double "n" or single "n"?

RTMonforte
08-15-2007, 18:48
Originally posted by vega
Copied from he manf's website. http://www.burlingtoneng.com/melonite.html

Melonite Processing:
The MELONITE® Nitrocarburizing Process

MELONITE is a thermochemical treatment for improving surface properties of metal parts. It exhibits predictable and repeatable results in the treating of low and medium carbon steels, alloy steels, stainless and austenitic steels, tool and die steels, cast and sintered iron.


Melonite Processing : Salt™ Bath Nitriding System
As the first job shop on the west coast to offer Melonite processing, Burlington uses its salt bath experience to diversify its servicing to the Southern California metal finishing industry. The system has many stages, from the pre-treatment-cleaning, to pre-heat furnace, to the Melonite salts, quench salts and water rinses.


Melonite Processing:
Melonite QPQ
Melonite™ and Melonite QPQ™ are thermochemical processes intended for the case hardening of iron based metals. These processes are categorized as molten salt bath ferritic nitrocarburizing. During these processes, nitrogen, carbon, and small amounts of oxygen are diffused into the surface of the steel, creating an epsilon iron nitride layer (e - FexN).

Tenifer Processing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenifer
Tenifer is a trademarked name for the end result of a chemical bath nitriding process that embeds nitrogen into an iron-containing alloy to create a corrosion-resistant finish that is a dull grey in color and extremely hard. The generic term for this type of process is carbonitriding. Other trade names for carbonitriding include Melonite, Sursulf, Arcor, Tufftride, and Koline.

And lastly: http://www.finishing.com/324/69.shtml
Tennifer and Melonite are trade names for firearm finishing processes that involve salt bath nitriding; so your request is somewhat like asking for a side-by-side comparison of Coke and Pepsi, Jim. Further, the heart of the matter is probably licensing rights rather than technology. I do not have any special inside information, but I believe that Glock will not let the supplier of this finish license it to any other firearms manufacturer; therefore, other firearms manufacturers are using a similar finish but from other chemical suppliers.

Historically, firearm parts were black oxided, which is an oxidation process which is only a few millionths of an inch thick, does not offer corrosion resistance, and doesn't alter the underlying steel. Salt bath nitriding is a case hardening process that leaves a fairly thick, corrosion resistant, hard surface.

So what would be your conclusion? Pareho lang sila?

Actually, the question should be: Is Tennifer spelled with double "n" or single "n"?

salamat po sa info...tnx

GLOCK na lang uli ako:thumbsup: :thumbsup: