View Full Version : Students for Concealed Carry on Campus Protest
http://facebook.com/event.php?eid=2359003596
From Monday, October 22, 2007 at 12:05am until Friday, October 26, 2007 at 11:55pm
Description
Students who are already concealed carry license holders in many states are forced to disarm when coming to school, even though we are allowed to go nearly anywhere else in the state while armed. We want to extend our ability to protect ourselves and those around us onto campus, where we spend a majority of our time.
Wear an empty holster to class all week to demonstrate that you are just one more trained individual that is forced to disarm, showing that there is one less person to defend those on campus in a worst case scenario.
Even those who do not have a license but support the cause are strongly encouraged to participate. Power in numbers, and a nation of students concerned about their safety is a strong message from a lot of people
SMSTRICK
08-20-2007, 05:54
Originally posted by Ferth
http://facebook.com/event.php?eid=2359003596
From Monday, October 22, 2007 at 12:05am until Friday, October 26, 2007 at 11:55pm
Description
Students who are already concealed carry license holders in many states are forced to disarm when coming to school, even though we are allowed to go nearly anywhere else in the state while armed. We want to extend our ability to protect ourselves and those around us onto campus, where we spend a majority of our time.
Wear an empty holster to class all week to demonstrate that you are just one more trained individual that is forced to disarm, showing that there is one less person to defend those on campus in a worst case scenario.
Even those who do not have a license but support the cause are strongly encouraged to participate. Power in numbers, and a nation of students concerned about their safety is a strong message from a lot of people It does the heart good to know that there are young people of this generation who are willing to stand up for their rights of liberty and self defence. :)
pulaskipusher
08-20-2007, 06:47
When I was a full time college student I would go to school after work and would disarm leaving the holster (concealed). It is the weirdest damn feeling wearing a light piece of plastic on your hip... Once or twice I almost made it to the building before realizing, Duhh, leave the piece in the car.
In one of my classes was a fellow gun-nut. He also didn't like not being able to carry at school.
I'm taking a break from college but will return in the spring, unfortunatlly Idaho is a state where school policies are trumped by the state's gun free zones, not that it really matters seeing how the school's would never allow CCW. So I guess I'll end up carrying pepper spray instead.
nehpets99
08-20-2007, 09:17
Holy crap I can't believe this made GT. My friend is the one who started the event and I was the one that suggested it be 10/22 (lucky for us it started on a Monday so we can do it week-long). The hope is to show our campuses that school policy and/or state law (as is the case in OH) reduces responsible adults to just an empty holster when the cross the imaginary line onto campus.
While I'm really looking forward to this, it's sad that there're only 71 people (including myself) who have been confirmed as participating. On behalf of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC), I would ask everyone here, if they're a college student or know pro-gun college students (they don't have to have their CHL...I was 100% in support of this before I got my CHL), to spread the word and help do their part. The point of this is to generate debate and awareness. We're hoping our classmates ask us why we're doing this so we can say that our states/universities are restricting the rights of adults who have passed background checks, who aren't mentally incompetent, who have gone through training, certified, etc. We don't necessarily have to reveal we have a CHL, just that we're against states and universities turning our campuses into gun-free (ahem, unarmed victim) zones.
Thanks, Ferth, and if you or anyone else wants, PM me and I'll invite you to the event.
Originally posted by nehpets99
While I'm really looking forward to this, it's sad that there're only 71 people (including myself) who have been confirmed as participating.Where else have you publicized it? The link currently referenced gets blocked by many corporate internet filters as a dating/social site. (Makers of such software often unjustly generalize & lump stuff together, it's a human thing...)
Right thing for right reason; get the lead out & publicize it!
:patriot:
I was just thinking about this the other day. I start classes again on Monday and I hate not being allowed to carry on campus... My school is a pretty nice school with almost no crime, but then again, Virginia Tech was too...
I will be wearing an empty holster on 10/22.
nehpets99
08-20-2007, 12:56
Originally posted by Aphotic
I will be wearing an empty holster on 10/22.
Wear it all week!
WIG19: good point...how else can we get the word out besides addressing individual campuses? That's my question...right now the best we can think of is word of mouth...I'll try getting in touch with my university's republican group and see if that does anything...
Let me rephrase:
"I will be wearing an empty holster ALL WEEK, the week of 10/22."
And I'd go to the individual state forums on this site... A lot of college-age kids post in each state's forum. I know for a fact they do in the Indiana section. Post a thread titled, "Important! College Students PLEASE Read!" and explain what's up. I guarantee you you'll get hits and they will tell their friends.
john_glock_mi
08-20-2007, 13:45
Good to see college age people standing up for their carry rights. Too often all I imagine college kids caring about is body pearcings, tatoos, saving some animal, or some other equally stupied liberal cause.
Originally posted by nehpets99
Wear it all week!
WIG19: good point...how else can we get the word out besides addressing individual campuses? That's my question...right now the best we can think of is word of mouth...I'll try getting in touch with my university's republican group and see if that does anything... Have you contacted Ohioans for Concealed Carry (http://www.ohioccw.org/)? Have your collegial colleagues contacted their respective state organizations as well? Also, NRA-Institute for Legislative Action (http://www.nra-ila.org/default.aspx) might be interested in hearing it, might do a story on it, and run it across their ticker.
Regardless of whether you feel you should have to, you will need to be the most normally-mature, reasoned, civil & articulate people you can be (should be a goal for everyone, right?). It may not be your side that garners the publicity you're seeking, or asks you for a quote that ends up as 3 sec. of audio. You want to be prepared for distorted reporting from the other end of the spectrum with things like:
[pan of students peacefully strolling across campus]
"Things look normal at this nearby campus..."
[closeup of empty holster on hip]
"But some of these local college students think they need to be packin' heat."
Keep the issue-points in black & white, contrasted strongly with inability (or inherent lack of responsibility) of police or the university to protect you. YOU - you're not Rambo or Charles Bronson, just taking your inherent responsibility under the Second Amendment seriously since you're already permitted most other places.
And so on.
Best of luck & PLEASE keep us informed of how it proceeds!
:patriot:
wardboy5
08-20-2007, 14:04
If my high noon holster arrives by 10/22, rest assured, I will be wearing it the entire week as well. I too, am a college student who shares the same concerns as many others about our safety on campus. I found some fliers posted on this site in early May regarding the VaTech incident titled: "Gun Free Zone" with an X through the "Gun" and it was overwritten with "Safety." They carried a good message about how safety and no guns on campus policies negate each other. I'll try and post it on this forum asap. You'll want to put a few up around campus come 10/22
WIG19:
You raise a very good point and this isn't something that anybody should be taking lightly. My college is in a very low-demographic/high-crime area and the security on campus is a complete joke. Granted, I've only heard of two minor thefts in four years there, but as I said before... You never know when or where a tragedy like Virginia Tech will take place.
I know I will get flamed for this, but I consider myself one of the most responsible firearm owners in the world. I can honestly say that I've never done anything that would endanger anyone, for any reason. Unfortunately, I don't feel that way about a solid 50% of the firearms owners I know. A lot of guys my age who carry get on some kind of power trip and think that carrying a gun makes them cool or hard.
I can't even begin to tell you how many girls I've dated that have said things like, "I hate guns! My ex had a gun in his car and he threatened me with it one time..." or "My ex-boyfriend carried a gun and he would always tell me it was for protection but then when I broke up with him he said he was going to kill me/himself with it..."
It's exactly that kind of immature, irresponsible bull**** that makes guys like me less-than-enthusiastic to be the poster-boy for a new generation of firearms enthusiasts.
So yeah... We NEED to stand up for our rights and show people that we deserve to be able to carry firearms, but at the same time, we have to make sure we weed out all the retards that pull the crap I mentioned above.
When that happens, things get complicated reeeeally fast.
Originally posted by nehpets99
Holy crap I can't believe this made GT. My friend is the one who started the event and I was the one that suggested it be 10/22 (lucky for us it started on a Monday so we can do it week-long). The hope is to show our campuses that school policy and/or state law (as is the case in OH) reduces responsible adults to just an empty holster when the cross the imaginary line onto campus.
While I'm really looking forward to this, it's sad that there're only 71 people (including myself) who have been confirmed as participating. On behalf of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC), I would ask everyone here, if they're a college student or know pro-gun college students (they don't have to have their CHL...I was 100% in support of this before I got my CHL), to spread the word and help do their part. The point of this is to generate debate and awareness. We're hoping our classmates ask us why we're doing this so we can say that our states/universities are restricting the rights of adults who have passed background checks, who aren't mentally incompetent, who have gone through training, certified, etc. We don't necessarily have to reveal we have a CHL, just that we're against states and universities turning our campuses into gun-free (ahem, unarmed victim) zones.
Thanks, Ferth, and if you or anyone else wants, PM me and I'll invite you to the event.
As the treasurer for the College Republicans for my school and being as the President of our CR club was the one who invited me to the event, when we get back to school next week I'm sure we'll start working to make this a decent sized event at our school. I'm hoping it gets the attention of the administration. I sent a letter to the President of our school at the end of last semester. I got a nice letter back, but no changes (though I did appreciate that he cared enough to write me back).
It might be worth it to start an actual SCCC club in order to try to get some money from the Student Fee Distribution Club (SGA). I'll run some things by my friend when I get back to school.
EAJuggalo
08-20-2007, 23:58
It's been discussed on a couple of the local forums about having not just the students but as many permit holders as possible participate in this event.
nehpets99
08-21-2007, 00:21
Originally posted by EAJuggalo
It's been discussed on a couple of the local forums about having not just the students but as many permit holders as possible participate in this event.
If there are other folks out there that support this right and want to donate their time, they're welcome to. As of now, however, no formal talk or rally has been planned since it's a national campaign, so pretty much all we'll be doing is going about our day-to-day routines, just with an empty holster that (at least at my school) people probably won't notice let alone comment on. So like I said if you'd like to come down to SW Ohio that week and just sit around with an empty holster and a sign or something saying you support responsible students with guns on campus (or something like that) then by all means go for it.
The guy who started this is going to perhaps drop a line to NRA-ILA...I think he's been in touch with OFCC but I can't remember offhand...he's trying to get in touch with Springfield Armory to see if they'll sponsor us in some way and donate holsters (IIRC).
cjlandry
08-21-2007, 06:41
Originally posted by wardboy5
If my high noon holster arrives by 10/22, rest assured, I will be wearing it the entire week as well.
If it doesn't are you gonna borrow one to wear? I bet you could find someone to lend you one. If not, I'll send you a cheapy for free, just so you can participate.
MarcoPolo
08-21-2007, 07:47
Count me in as well. If there are any students in this event who NEED a holster to wear, i'd be happy to send one.
(I assume you want the holsters visible, so i've got an OWB holster I'd be happy to send)
devildog2067
08-21-2007, 08:01
I guess this is my excuse to buy that Mitch Rosen I've had my eye on...
SilentGLOCK
08-21-2007, 10:51
Reminds me of the Open-Carry marches that were successful in Ohio several years ago.........
A MAJOR Factor in this will be getting the WOMEN'S Groups behind this as being RAPED on Campus is a daily activity at most schools and they need to take a stand as their usual "take back the night candle crap" doesn't work - Concealed Carry DOES!
Inferno18
08-21-2007, 10:54
It is good to see and hear that our young people are waking up. However it will do no good, the only way you are going to change Universities is to charge the administrators with treason and hang them. Once you hang a few of them, the rest will get the message. Nothing else is going to work.
nehpets99
08-21-2007, 15:23
Originally posted by Inferno18
It is good to see and hear that our young people are waking up. However it will do no good, the only way you are going to change Universities is to charge the administrators with treason and hang them. Once you hang a few of them, the rest will get the message. Nothing else is going to work.
Lucky for my university then that it's state law and not JUST university policy...
Something like this was discussed on the OFCC forums, but what about open carrying? The Ohio Revised Code says NOTHING about firearms that AREN'T being concealed...but if anything I'd wait till AFTER I graduate to try that, and even then till AFTER I receive my diploma...
Thank you all for your pledges of holsters! I will put a message up on the event's facebook page that if anyone needs a holster they can either register here and post or they can get a hold of me and I will PM some of you.
In other news, I'm ecstatic to see that 10 more people have said they're going to be wearing an empty holster (according to facebook) in the past 24-48 hours.
glockpacker
08-21-2007, 16:24
I'd also get a t-shirt made that says "I'm a disarmed victim."
DJTHEMAC
08-21-2007, 18:55
Just joined the group. I would participate but I graduated in May, maybe I will register for one class so I will have a legitimate reason to be on campus.
jeep45238
08-21-2007, 19:07
Howdy, I'm Mike, the guy who started it. I got the idea from another person on Ohioans For Concealed Carry and ran with it.
Thanks for the support, it's greatly appreciated and needed.
I'm currently waiting to hear back from Springfield Armory about getting some of their XD Gear holsters, and am contacting NRA-ILA.
As campus leader at the University of Cincinnati, I'm going to be contacting the Campus Repbups while starting a 2nd amendment/shooting club.. Should be a busy year.
I'm a college student who is very concerned about campus carry rights, especially after the Virginia Tech massacre, which showed how much gun violence banning guns can prevent. I don't have my CWL yet, since I'm still 20, but I plan to have the paperwork in before the end of the year. Maybe I can get the College Republicans here on board with this.
I started a cause on Facebook's Causes application - "Support Concealed Carry Rights on College Campuses" - Support Concealed Carry Rights on College Campuses (http://apps.facebook.com/causes/view_cause/2773?recruiter_id=1206540). I'd like to get a formal petition going eventually, as well.
glockpacker - the T-shirt idea is fantastic.
By the way, hi, I'm Mark and I lurk around your forums from time to time.
jeep45238
08-21-2007, 19:34
Mark, here's your petition bud!
http://www.petitiononline.com/UCVP/
Edit: forgot the link!!!
Originally posted by jeep45238
Thanks for the support, it's greatly appreciated and needed.
I'm currently waiting to hear back from Springfield Armory about getting some of their XD Gear holsters, and am contacting NRA-ILA.
I wonder if that old Sidearmor is still layin' in the box....?
I'd bet nearly everyone who's been carrying for any length of time has "the box" of tried & discarded holsters.
:patriot:
If your school has a Criminal Justice department, chances are they're members of the ACJA and likely go to at least the regional conferences. If so, they might have a bunch of OWB holsters laying around for competitions. I know my school has eight, which I plan on securing the use of soon after I get back to school.
lastevolution
08-22-2007, 16:49
I'm probably the only one from A&M that'll do it.
Good time to show off my Tucker HF1.
wardboy5
08-22-2007, 18:03
cj: my holster is "supposedly" 8 wks out, which means it could arrive before 10/22. If not, i will certainly obtain one for this rally. After the VaTech incident, and all that followed, it made me want to do something resulting in forward movement about the insecure campus polices. What really hit home was when a girl was murdered (yes murdered, beat to death) two apartment complexes down from mine, and I can walk to class in ten minutes from where i live. So worry not, by 10/22 I will at least be wearing a holster and talking to those on campus who have the power to solve this problem.
I'm all for CC on campus, being a student and Army Guardsman myself I hate the feeling of having my personal protection left to a handful of "campus police". One downside that comes to mind, though, is if CC does become a reality on campuses won't your cover be blown, therefore defeating the purpose of CC in the first place?
nehpets99
08-22-2007, 18:21
Originally posted by NWanner
I'm all for CC on campus, being a student and Army Guardsman myself I hate the feeling of having my personal protection left to a handful of "campus police". One downside that comes to mind, though, is if CC does become a reality on campuses won't your cover be blown, therefore defeating the purpose of CC in the first place?
How will one's cover be blown...?
jeep45238
08-23-2007, 07:40
If you're concerned about revealing your status as a CCW holder, simply lie and say you don't have one but you support it.
Anyways, http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2359003596
Please make sure you're signed up on it. We're near 100 folks so far, but I accidentally deleted 10-15 folks who ARE attending while I was taking out those who aren't to attempt to make it a little bit easier for folks to know the status of the protest.
Also call it a rigged system to attempt to show folks that it's not something to be ashamed of to support.
Originally posted by jeep45238
If you're concerned about revealing your status as a CCW holder, simply lie and say you don't have one but you support it.
Anyways, http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2359003596
Please make sure you're signed up on it. We're near 100 folks so far, but I accidentally deleted 10-15 folks who ARE attending while I was taking out those who aren't to attempt to make it a little bit easier for folks to know the status of the protest.
Also call it a rigged system to attempt to show folks that it's not something to be ashamed of to support.
Yea that makes sense, I would just hate to be the only one participating and have all the staff and campus police mark me as a trouble maker or something.
jeep45238
08-23-2007, 08:22
If you're not doing anything wrong, then there's no issues. I'll be contacting my police dept. and the administration and telling them about this and explaining that it is a non-violent protest.
A holster isn't illegal to have, nor should it be seen as a threatening item. It is simply a way to show that you support this, and that in every class you're in it's one less that could have an immediate defensive response in a worst case scenario.
Remember, CCW isn't about going after and taking out the bad guy. It's about staying alive.
lumberjack
08-23-2007, 11:40
I support the idea, however I won't be carrying a visible holster.
If someone needs to borrow an OWB holster, I'd put one up, assuming it gets returned promptly.
Security on campus is left up to campus police; on EMCC's campus the rent a cops can no longer carry a gun due to the fact that one shot herself in the backside (or foot, not sure which) while she was evacuating her bowels. How pathetic is that?
I'd go ahead and mention the rally/protest to the head of the campus so they can inform the rent a guard/actual cops, assuming your campus has them. An overzealous security guard could turn a peaceful protest into a quagmire.
I joined the Face Book event (Carl Rutherford, MSU).
Lastly, if someone who you know is a supporter of concealed carry, but states they don't care to wear a holster, don't push it as they may wear one regulary.:thumbsup:
PromptCritical
09-19-2007, 03:54
I got referred to this from ARFcom.
I attend school in Oregon. State law appears to say that CHL holders can legally carry on campus, concealed or otherwise.
However, this has never been tested, and in fact, the local public school board (non-university) has decided to ban carry until someone decides to fight the issue in court.
I am quite sure that if I was discovered to be carrying, they would try to have me arrested, and if that didn't work, they would make my academic life miserable.
I would be willing to join this unofficially since I don't have a facebook account. IS there any suggestions as to what type of holster we should use? All I have are CCW holsters and a couple tactical thigh rigs...
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