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r2d4
08-21-2007, 13:19
I hope you all can clear up something for me about cc in nc. I am a non-drinker but, can I carry in a place such as TGIF? I just got my permit here and want to abide by the law. I have read them I am still not as clear as i would like to be.:supergrin:

MrsKitty
08-21-2007, 14:32
Anywhere that serves alcohol is off limits.

concealedcarry
08-21-2007, 18:44
Actually, in NC it is off limits to carry ANY firearm into any establishment that serves and sell alcohol including non-licensed premises such as bootleggers. This is per Reece Trimmer's video presented in the NC Concealed Handgun Carry Classes. (Trimmer is pretty much the authority in NC)

Glocks&Ducs
08-21-2007, 21:11
Originally posted by concealedcarry
Actually, in NC it is off limits to carry ANY firearm into any establishment that serves and sell alcohol including non-licensed premises such as bootleggers. This is per Reece Trimmer's video presented in the NC Concealed Handgun Carry Classes. (Trimmer is pretty much the authority in NC)

I'm not sure if you meant for it to come this way. But it sounds like you are saying any place that sells alcohol is off limits to carry. And that isn't the case. The place must sell AND serve the alcohol.

And it isn't per Reece Trimmer's video. It's per NC criminal statutes.

Bogey
08-21-2007, 21:18
Off limits in an establishment that sells alcohol by the drink.

NO restraunt carry if the places sells drinks. :sad:

Stoopidestist law in the freakin' world.

r2d4
08-22-2007, 07:14
Thanks for the help. How about movie theaters?

Glocks&Ducs
08-22-2007, 07:41
Originally posted by r2d4
Thanks for the help. How about movie theaters?

From my understanding. Nope. You can't carry to an assembly where a fee has been charged for admission.

r2d4
08-22-2007, 08:11
ouch. any legislation pending to update these restrictions? :shocked:

kirgi08
08-22-2007, 08:49
Also any School sponsored event,Dance/Sporting,that's off campus.Not to mention public transport,city owned property and Religious property.Most of the time a/n CCW is more trouble than it's worth.If you carry on any of the above having a/n CCW,it's a Felony.JMTCs.Be Careful.

r2d4
08-22-2007, 13:54
Sooo,its every useful for the out of state trips then.:supergrin:

concealedcarry
08-22-2007, 19:54
Originally posted by concealedcarry
[ including non-licensed premises such as bootleggers. This is per Reece Trimmer's video presented in the NC Concealed Handgun Carry Classes. (Trimmer is pretty much the authority in NC) [/B]

Duc
I meant it as I sent it. I DID say "serves and sell". Go back and read it again. Also, Trimmer includes the non licensed premises in his presentation. We all know it is law but the statute does not specifically state non-licensed ABC premises as a gun free zone. That is why Trimmer states it in the video. AND he still is the leading authority in the state when it comes to concealed carry laws.

It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not.

NC Bullseye
08-22-2007, 22:16
Originally posted by r2d4
ouch. any legislation pending to update these restrictions? :shocked:

Yes there is. Check out NC LEG (http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillSearch/BillSearch.asp?typeToSearch=ALL&chamberToSearch=&sortBy=relevance&sessionToSearch=2007&searchCriteria=concealed+handgun&submitButton=Go)

Note H831 and S1094

There are others but these apply to your original question. Just a curious question. Did you get a copy of the red book from the NC Justice Academy when you took your CHP course?

Glocks&Ducs
08-23-2007, 07:23
Originally posted by concealedcarry
Duc
I meant it as I sent it. I DID say "serves and sell". Go back and read it again. Also, Trimmer includes the non licensed premises in his presentation. We all know it is law but the statute does not specifically state non-licensed ABC premises as a gun free zone. That is why Trimmer states it in the video. AND he still is the leading authority in the state when it comes to concealed carry laws.

It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not.

If YOU go back and read. I'm wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you. But you started off your statement saying "actually", as if what misskitty said was incorrect.

But let me get this straight. You are trying to interject that it is illegal to carry any firearm in a bootlegging operation or facility? I say so what. Whether you have a firearm or not. If you are caught in a bootlegging operation, you are done anyway.

And once again. Trimmer and his video isn't the basis for anything. The video was produced following NC statutes as the basis for the scenarios or what was being taught. I would make sure I was read up on the statutes, not on the someone else's video. Whether that person is an authority or not.

r2d4
08-23-2007, 12:25
NC bullseye thanks for the info and the link. As I understand the legeslation I will be able to carry in an eating establishment that sells alcohol on Dec 1 2007. I took my class a year ago and only recently got my ccw. Where can I get one of those booklets?

ConqSoft
08-23-2007, 12:36
Originally posted by NC Bullseye
Yes there is. Check out NC LEG (http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillSearch/BillSearch.asp?typeToSearch=ALL&chamberToSearch=&sortBy=relevance&sessionToSearch=2007&searchCriteria=concealed+handgun&submitButton=Go)

Note H831 and S1094

There are others but these apply to your original question. Just a curious question. Did you get a copy of the red book from the NC Justice Academy when you took your CHP course?

Good info. Thanks

Glocks&Ducs
08-23-2007, 12:47
Originally posted by r2d4
... Where can I get one of those booklets?

It should have been the book you used to take the class.

ConqSoft
08-23-2007, 12:53
Originally posted by Glocks&Ducs
From my understanding. Nope. You can't carry to an assembly where a fee has been charged for admission.

I wonder if I could skirt around this with the free tickets to pre-release movies we get from time to time? No one was charged to go to the movie...

NC Bullseye
08-23-2007, 13:42
Originally posted by r2d4
NC bullseye thanks for the info and the link. As I understand the legeslation I will be able to carry in an eating establishment that sells alcohol on Dec 1 2007. I took my class a year ago and only recently got my ccw. Where can I get one of those booklets?

You won't be able to carry in an establishment that sells alcohol for on site consumption unless one (or both) of these bills are passed into law. Right now it looks like we may have to wait another year since I believe they are in recess until next year (I may be wrong, just did a quick look at teh schedule). So no, don't just start carrying in Chili's or Outback just yet.:) As for the red book, it's called Concealed Carry Handgun Training and should have been given out at your CHP training. If you didn't get one, I'd contact the instructor and request one. I give one out in all of my training courses and it keeps me from having to answer the same questions over and over again. Just an additional note, they have updated the red book and the new copyright date is 2006 on the inside of the front cover.

As for the discussion on the Reece Trimmer video, please don't get wrapped up in a battle over semantics. Yes Trimmer does not make the laws, BUT he was deeply involved in the development NC CHP program and his video is used in the training of new state certified CHP course instructors. Heck you couldn't find a quality bow tie wearer unless he was in on the ground floor of the program. Lets just say that the video from Trimmer is used to impart the knowledge and get on with it? He does give lots of info that isn't written word for word in the course or law but very valuable for the legal insight. Don't forget the idea of adding an additional charge for concealed carry in a illegal drinking establishment is just another way of helping make the case against a bad guy. In the same light as the fact it's illegal to sell pot without collecting state and federal sales tax.

NC Bullseye
08-23-2007, 13:50
Originally posted by ConqSoft
I wonder if I could skirt around this with the free tickets to pre-release movies we get from time to time? No one was charged to go to the movie...

You have to ask yourself if you REALLY want to have to pay for the lawyers and dedicate the time from work to make that point. You are still being charged admission, just the charge is a ticket and not cash since someone without the free ticket couldn't just walk in. I would think the good possibility of loosing your ability to own a firearm and loosing your concealed carry permit forever isn't worth seeing a movie. Shucks, save yourself a ton of hassle and wait for the DVD and head to Circuit City! While you're waiting though, start sending letters and emails to your state representatives. That is how things get changed to be more realistic.

ConqSoft
08-23-2007, 13:57
Originally posted by NC Bullseye
You have to ask yourself if you REALLY want to have to pay for the lawyers and dedicate the time from work to make that point. You are still being charged admission, just the charge is a ticket and not cash since someone without the free ticket couldn't just walk in. I would think the good possibility of loosing your ability to own a firearm and loosing your concealed carry permit forever isn't worth seeing a movie. Shucks, save yourself a ton of hassle and wait for the DVD and head to Circuit City! While you're waiting though, start sending letters and emails to your state representatives. That is how things get changed to be more realistic.

No, this is a pre-release where NO ONE pays. It's a promotion that marketing companies do. We get them every now and then. So, it's truly a free event for all that are in the theatre.

But, it was just a theoretical question anyway. :)

ConqSoft
08-23-2007, 13:58
Originally posted by NC Bullseye
Just an additional note, they have updated the red book and the new copyright date is 2006 on the inside of the front cover.


Cool, I have the latest copy.

I took my class about a month ago, and R. Steven Johnson (one of the authors) was my instructor. He was GREAT. That was the best class I have ever taken.

r2d4
08-23-2007, 14:03
Thanks again. I will be watching to see if it goes through or not.:thumbsup:

NC Bullseye
08-23-2007, 14:11
Originally posted by kirgi08
Also any School sponsored event,Dance/Sporting,that's off campus.Not to mention public transport,city owned property and Religious property.Most of the time a/n CCW is more trouble than it's worth.If you carry on any of the above having a/n CCW,it's a Felony.JMTCs.Be Careful.

Just wanted to question a few points. Yes, the school sponsored events are an off limits per state CHP laws but public transportation, city property, and religious property are not addressed in NC state CHP law. Public transportation is addressed in federal law but city property (other than corrections or law enforcement facility) is based on local regulations. As for the religious property, that is up to the church and would need to be posted as no firearms, concealed or otherwise in order to be off limits for CHP carriers.

Not trying to start a sparing match here, just trying to show how much you have to read to keep within the law. I prefer that when in doubt. Don't carry. Look up specific questions. Don't trust generalities. It's nice to see that people are asking questions about NC CHP's that means their interested in doing things right.

NC Bullseye
08-23-2007, 14:15
Originally posted by ConqSoft
Cool, I have the latest copy.

I took my class about a month ago, and R. Steven Johnson (one of the authors) was my instructor. He was GREAT. That was the best class I have ever taken.

You have been taught by one of the best! Now, don't forget to practice, practice, practice. Oh, and then practice a bit more! ;) And keep checking the laws.

spober
08-30-2007, 15:37
whats the point in even having a cary permit.seems like your better off carrying in plain site.seems like there are more resrictions with the permit not to meantion the fees.i just fail to see the advantage.
most of my carry is in the car so i simply have the gun in open site on the center console or front seat.when i visit friends i place it on my hip ect...

ConqSoft
08-30-2007, 15:46
Because I don't like to advertise that I have a weapon. It's my trump card, and I want to play it when I'm good and ready to play it.

Glocks&Ducs
08-30-2007, 18:15
Originally posted by spober
whats the point in even having a cary permit.seems like your better off carrying in plain site.seems like there are more resrictions with the permit not to meantion the fees.i just fail to see the advantage.
most of my carry is in the car so i simply have the gun in open site on the center console or front seat.when i visit friends i place it on my hip ect...

The restrictions that apply to concealed, are based on the same restrictions of open carry. Just because you are open carrying, doesn't mean you can carry in places that a concealed carry person can't. And carrying on your front seat is open to interpretation, as to whether or not it is concealed. An arresting officer can say he couldn't see the gun as he was approaching your vehicle, especially at night, therefore, he can claim it was concealed.

Not to mention, with a CHP, you can legally buy guns on the spot. Before I got my CHP, I had to get a permit for every handgun I bought, or had to wait to get called in for long guns. In my county, we are limited to two permits to purchase per application. So every time I applied for permits, I had to pay $10 for the police check, and $5 per permit. Then I was limited to 5 permits per year. So if I wanted to purchase 5 guns in one year, I was assed out $30 for police checks, and another $25 for 5 permits. That is halfway towards the cost of getting my CHP(not including the cost of the course, which I shouldn't have to pay again for the rest of my life, provided I renew my CHP on time), and the CHP is good for five years. You do the math.

Lastly, I don't have to carry a gun in the open to show everyone how much of a badass I am. My gun is a tool, not a status symbol. And I don't have to worry about getting arrested because some soccer mom, or retard liberal, complained that I was terrorizing the public by carrying a gun in plain sight.

ConqSoft
08-30-2007, 18:17
There are a few instances where the law is crazy though, like, you can't carry concealed into a bank but you can open carry in a bank. (As long as the bank doesn't have a sign/policy against it.)

Bogey
09-04-2007, 18:22
Originally posted by ConqSoft
There are a few instances where the law is crazy though, like, you can't carry concealed into a bank but you can open carry in a bank. (As long as the bank doesn't have a sign/policy against it.)

Open carry in a banmk? In NC???

I gotta look that one up. :headscratch:

ConqSoft
09-04-2007, 18:38
Originally posted by Bogey
Open carry in a banmk? In NC???

I gotta look that one up. :headscratch:

Yep, completely true. But a lot of them have signs posted disallowing weapons anyway.

kirgi08
09-05-2007, 07:32
There is not enough Love nor Money to make me go armed into a/n bank,no matter what the law is PERIOD.:shocked:

NC Bullseye
09-05-2007, 10:56
Originally posted by kirgi08
There is not enough Love nor Money to make me go armed into a/n bank,no matter what the law is PERIOD.:shocked:

Just out of curiosity why? If it were legal to carry concealed and you have a CHP why the fear?

Honorabledog
09-06-2007, 05:02
Just a note that i have a ccw and I also carry open sometimes. You can carry into banks as stated and alot of stores, etc. I just wanted to say that when I open carry its not to prove I'm a badass. Where I live alot of people open carry. Even the Spanish population. And when I carry concealed its not so I can surprise someone with my gun after a situation has sparked. I open carry to prevent any threat. Seems most BG won't mess with someone they KNOW has a weapon. Nip the problem in the bud I say.:thumbsup: Open Carry is certainly not respectfull in every situation, but if properly dressed and well behaved most don't notice.;)

kirgi08
09-06-2007, 06:56
It's not that the law allows me to,your a/n NC resident,in my part of the world there's a/n charge"Going Armed To The Terror Of The Public". Which means a/n upstanding citizen can go to a/n Magistrate and state,That my carrying a/n Firearm really/disturbed/scared/terrified them.I get arrested,the courts keep my weapon,I hire a lawyer(for who knows $$$$)get a court date and maybe someone ta post my bail. Remember the officer/deputy interprets the law according to his/her views or Department Policy.Which means I get a Anti-Gun officer I'm Screwed.Yes I can go to court and probably win(Vast Experience).Lawyers don't refund win or lose,and I WILL NOT USE A/N Public Defender.So I pay what? $1000/2000 in fees where does that put me in the Red/Black on the balance sheets. It makes no sense to me to take the RISK.JMTCs,'08;) :thumbsup:

NC Bullseye
09-06-2007, 12:25
Originally posted by kirgi08
It's not that the law allows me to,your a/n NC resident,in my part of the world there's a/n charge"Going Armed To The Terror Of The Public". Which means a/n upstanding citizen can go to a/n Magistrate and state,That my carrying a/n Firearm really/disturbed/scared/terrified them.I get arrested,the courts keep my weapon,I hire a lawyer(for who knows $$$$)get a court date and maybe someone ta post my bail. Remember the officer/deputy interprets the law according to his/her views or Department Policy.Which means I get a Anti-Gun officer I'm Screwed.Yes I can go to court and probably win(Vast Experience).Lawyers don't refund win or lose,and I WILL NOT USE A/N Public Defender.So I pay what? $1000/2000 in fees where does that put me in the Red/Black on the balance sheets. It makes no sense to me to take the RISK.JMTCs,'08;) :thumbsup:

I am very much aware of NC law, I just was curious as to why you wouldn't carry "IF" it were legal here. I wholeheartedly understand the going armed to the terror law also, I wasn't trying to make fun of your statement, just wanted to know since I teach the class and any thing I can glean from others on why they feel a certain way about carrying helps me be a better instructor. Thanks for the feedback!

BTW what does the "A/N" mean in your posts?

kirgi08
09-06-2007, 15:24
I use the a/n as a message break.It gets people to stop for a second and consider what I posted.Also no Offense intended,where I live open carry is legal as with you.We have so many Anti-Gun it's a PITA most times,the Dumb-*ss questions ,the stares.And with my job a CCW won't work anyway.'08.;)