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ess45
09-15-2007, 11:50
My first AR and first to build, Recce inspired rifle
Lower with upper receiver

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00023.jpg

Upper receiver and parts
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00025.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00028.jpg

Comments (+and-)welcome
To all AR builders out there, any suggestions,comments,tips,precautions before i start assembling.
Spec:
Lower receiver- Stag, LPK- Stag, charger- Stag
Upper receiver- Sabre Defence
Barrel- WOA 16" SS Recon with matching bolt, midlenght
BCG- Young M16
Hand rail- Larue
Gas block- Vtor
Other parts- on order
Thank you

Sweater
09-15-2007, 13:42
Good luck with your build.I have a AR project too.You are lucky you live in FL., I have a LMT lower im going to match with a postban Stag upper,looking at a TROY or Midwest handrail.I dont have any picture yet.Good luck again.----Sweater of NJ.

ess45
09-15-2007, 14:04
Thank you Sweater. What kind of AR are you planning to build, and good luck to you too.

revo
09-15-2007, 23:14
Only one bit of experience - it's more expensive to buy individual parts and then assemble them yourself.

it's far cheaper to buy a complete rifle off the shelf.

i've assembled a few lowers but i've no patience to assemble the upper. i typically buy the an assembled upper and slap them into a complete lower. but that's me.

all my lowers are bushmasters. my uppers are FN (fabrique national) and ASA (defunct American spirit arms) so far.

cebuboy
09-16-2007, 00:00
Nice setup, where is the rest? :)

Sweater
09-16-2007, 04:21
I agree with Revo,thats why i bought a complete lower,and will get a complete upper,at least i can just put the two together, then i can shoot it.----------Sweater

ess45
09-16-2007, 07:37
Revo and Sweater:
That was my original plan. To build a budget best value for the money AR. And that is to buy a Stag stripped lower and Buy a complete upper kit ( the Stag upper kit is $633 shipped,with 6 position stock kit,lower parts kit and 1 magazine)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/stagkit.gif

But after reading the posts from several AR forums and looking at the picture threads i decided i like to have a stainless steel barrel for better accuracy, midlenght gas system for reliability, less recoil, less wear and a Larue handrail for the look. And the only way i can do that is to build my own.

cebuboy:
thank you. the other parts are coming. the harder part of building your own is choosing the parts. there are so many to choose from and that was the main cause of the delay in ordering the parts.
Upper receiver- the only parts missing are the flash hider and iron sights (already decided on Phantom for the FH, Iron sight- have not decided yet but leaning on Troy if my budget will allow.
Lower part: parts missing are the stock ang grip, decided on Magpul Miad and CTR, Color? could not decide between OD green or flat dark earth. I think i will go black instead.
Optics: probably Eotech, For magnified optic, no idea yet.

batangueno
09-16-2007, 07:49
Wow very nice. :thumbsup: Please post a pic of the rifle once you've completed it.

ess45
09-16-2007, 09:39
Sure will batangueno. Ty

cebuboy
09-17-2007, 03:30
Originally posted by ess45

cebuboy:
thank you. the other parts are coming. the harder part of building your own is choosing the parts. there are so many to choose from and that was the main cause of the delay in ordering the parts.
Upper receiver- the only parts missing are the flash hider and iron sights (already decided on Phantom for the FH, Iron sight- have not decided yet but leaning on Troy if my budget will allow.
Lower part: parts missing are the stock ang grip, decided on Magpul Miad and CTR, Color? could not decide between OD green or flat dark earth. I think i will go black instead.
Optics: probably Eotech, For magnified optic, no idea yet.

Hehehe, good thing being stateside is the amount of stuff that is available for the AR:) The troy buis is a good choice, although a bit pricey. You also wont go wrong with the MIAD and the CTR, both are top notch products but stocks and grips are more of a personal thing:) so is the color. EOtechs are nice too, I'm currently saving up for one. For magnified optics, the ACOG is nice, just cant afford it :( so much more for the shortdot.

I also prefer chorme lined bbls, especially the light carbine bbl by noveske, ahhhh if I could only get one...

let us know how it shoots.

bulm540
09-17-2007, 17:36
SAbre Defense are Nice, made right here In Nashville.

ess45
09-18-2007, 11:46
Update:

I'm changing the lower receiver to Mega. The quality and finish of the Mega Machine is much better than the Stag.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC000477.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC000422.jpg

AZ ERIC
09-18-2007, 12:58
It's not always cheaper if you bought a complete rifle off the shelf, especially a customized one like yours. A rifle like that is not a standard shelf model. Someone would have to order all those parts and assemble them. They would most likely charge you MSRP and a fee for putting it all together. If that person is a manufacturer, he would have to charge you an additional $200 federal tax for assembling a firearm if he sold you the upper and lower at the same time.

Iíve put together over 30 AR15s ranging from $600 to $3,500 and it looks like you are on the right track to having a cool rifle.

I agree with you regarding Mega. Their finish feels like there is a teflon additive and it's a nice dark black color. Iíve got a couple of their matching uppers and lowers. I like their logo. It looks like Mega made that lower for another company so it doesnít have Megaís logo.

Donít forget a nice trigger.

Be careful with the bolt catch pin. Iíve seen a few receivers scratched up trying to get that in. I like to place a sheet of cardboard on the side of the receiver to protect it while punching in the pin. Also watch out when installing the trigger guard pin. Iíve seen a few of the wings on the receiver broken when the pin isnít perfectly lined up with the hole or when someone gets too aggressive with the hammer.

Good luck.

ess45
09-18-2007, 16:02
Thank you for the tip AZ Eric.

The Mega receiver is a special run for Sig Forum members.

Any suggestion for the trigger?

Can i PM you if i encounter any problem?

Thanks again.

AZ ERIC
09-19-2007, 13:59
ess45,

Feel free to PM me with any questions.

For the trigger, first determine if you want a single or 2 stage trigger. Rock River is the most basic and one of the most affordable 2 stage trigger. I use Geissele on my 3 gun rifle and can't say enough good things about it but it is expensive. There's also those modular triggers like JP, Timney and CMC.

ess45
09-19-2007, 15:27
Thanks AZ Eric.

ess45
09-21-2007, 10:58
Update

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/Mega2.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/Mega1.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/Mega3.jpg

Sweater
09-21-2007, 20:34
Nice,, me im waiting for my Troy Quadrail , still contemplating for a 10" or 12".Good luck again.--------Sweater

ess45
09-21-2007, 21:21
Thanks Sweater and good luck on your build too.
I would like to have an SBR too, but would not like to go to all the hassle and paper works not to mention the $200.

Received the grip,stock and FH today.

atmarcella
09-21-2007, 22:12
Originally posted by AZ ERIC
ess45,

Feel free to PM me with any questions.

For the trigger, first determine if you want a single or 2 stage trigger. Rock River is the most basic and one of the most affordable 2 stage trigger. I use Geissele on my 3 gun rifle and can't say enough good things about it but it is expensive. There's also those modular triggers like JP, Timney and CMC.

i thought jewell triggers were the best...

ess45
09-22-2007, 13:47
Another update:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00067.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00065.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00069.jpg

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00070.jpg

Baka hindi ko na lagyan ng Buis(backup iron sights)
Reasons: ageing eyes, will only be shooting evil, aggressive papers at 50 to 100yards max, cost(a good BUIS is 200-250 dollars)....... OK..how many of you bought a type writer when you bought your computer/printer setup.

Will shoot next weekend for function test and barrel break in (will follow breakin method of Kreiger barrels).
Will just put a scope for sight. Pero baka next month pa ( over the budget na)
Will do accuracy test and load development once i have a good scope,reloading dies and other supplies and hopefully a good trigger.

Any body here know if i can use the scope from my Ruger 10/22.The scope is Mueller APV 4.5-14X 40AO.
Thanks

cebuboy
09-22-2007, 21:00
nice gun, especially the meat tenderizer lower. :grin:

yes you can use the scope from your 10/22, not having a buis is like driving without a spare tire :) you wont know when you need it...

batangueno
09-22-2007, 21:45
:shocked: Wow it came out really nice. :thumbsup:

ess45
09-22-2007, 22:17
Thank you cebuboy :thumbsup: and batangueno :)

cebuboy
09-22-2007, 23:22
Youre welcome ess:) your build reminds me of one of mine:)

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i208/amochua/gunpix/DSC02462c.jpg

ess45
09-23-2007, 07:59
WoW. Really like the look of the standard front sight base. Just don't have the skill and tools to install one. :thumbsup:

ess45
11-15-2007, 10:18
The final version:

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00134.jpg


With the scope in (Meopta Meostar R1 1.5-5X20), i was finally able to do some serious shooting.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00139.jpg

50 yards off bench using sandbag, slow firing. Handloads using Winchester brass, powder- 24 grains Varget, primer CCI, bullet- 69 grains Nosler HPBT, OAL 2.240.

I know the grouping is not really that impressive but will probably improve with better trigger (the stock trigger is around 6.5 lbs measured with RCBS trigger pull scale), a bullet powder load combination that the gun likes and lots of practice. Overall i am satisfied and no malfunction of any kind. If i can get the same grouping at 100 yards, i would be very happy.

horge
11-15-2007, 17:03
Bravo!
Very handsome AR.
(I'd still want BUIS, somewhere down the road, hehe) :)

isuzu
11-15-2007, 17:47
How many rounds have you fired so far? Seems that the shots group to the left. A little adjustment of the sights might help. The more you shoot it, the tighter the groups will be.

ess45
11-15-2007, 18:52
Thank you horge

isuzu- I've only shoot around 50 rounds, mostly my own handloads and a few factory loads

isuzu
11-15-2007, 19:07
Thank you horge

isuzu- I've only shoot around 50 rounds, mostly my own handloads and a few factory loads

It's a pretty accurate rifle for the initial 50 rounds. Once you get the right ammo dialed in for your rifle, you'll be amazed of how accurate the .223 ammo is at long distances.

mtho
11-15-2007, 19:24
Bravo!
Very handsome AR.
(I'd still want BUIS, somewhere down the road, hehe) :)


parang me buis naman ah, di lang nga accessible

revo
11-15-2007, 21:51
cross-dominant ka ba ?

ess45
11-15-2007, 22:19
cross-dominant ka ba ?

What do you mean by cross-dominant?



horge and mtho- hindi ko talaga sana lalagyan ng Buis kasi mahal din, saka hindi naman combat rifle ang gamit nito, pero parang hindi kasi completo kung walang BUIS. Yung Larue scope mount madaling tanggalin at ibalik without changing your Zero setting.

MozambiqueDrill
11-15-2007, 23:00
Great job! To all who have done AR builds, great job!

Say "ess45", what city in Florida? I'm in Boca Raton.

ess45
11-16-2007, 11:17
Great job! To all who have done AR builds, great job!

Say "ess45", what city in Florida? I'm in Boca Raton.

Thank you.

I'm in Ocala.

revo
11-16-2007, 17:13
in that pick, you shouldered the weapon on your left side. is your left eye your shooting eye or is your right eye your shooting eye ? cross-dominant means one side shoots but the opposite eye aims.

ess45
11-16-2007, 18:10
No, I'm not cross dominant.