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bush pilot
10-01-2007, 22:19
Here's the scenario:
Your single engine plane has gone down in the backcountry of Canada or Alaska. You have survived the impact and now you have to stay alive until a rescue flight spots you or you can walk out. You have the resources of the airplane and 1 gun. What type of gun would you choose?
Remember, this is NOT a SHTF situation, you're not in a bunker sniping at black helicopters, you're not in an alley. This is surviving in the woods with only 1 gun. What's your choice and why?
Iron Nose
10-01-2007, 22:21
Winchester Model 94 30-30
AK74 5.45x39 or .223
because all i need to clean it with is my sock.
you can hunt game defend against bears or even take a swim
with it.:thumbsup:
oh yeah more ammo
Remington 700 .308 for taking down game to survive in the woods. Who says I want to be rescued? Maybe I was landing my bush plane and felt like I needed a walkabout?
Originally posted by CU4X4N
Remington 700 .308 for taking down game to survive in the woods. Who says I want to be rescued? Maybe I was landing my bush plane and felt like I needed a walkabout?
fat chicks like cake?
November
10-01-2007, 22:32
Marlin 981T. Holds lots and lots of .22s, has a full-sized stock, good for signalling and harvesting small game.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j242/hawkingnovember/981T.jpg
My Glock G20. Light, compact, 15rds of 10mm power.
My Saiga 12 (I would say Rem 870 but the Saiga weights less :supergrin: )
Along with birdshot, 00 buck, a few slugs, and a few 12ga flares :supergrin:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/-GuNuT-/AK%20Pics/DSCN2767.jpg
EDIT: new look. Sorry for the crappy pic!
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/-GuNuT-/AK%20Pics/DSCN2872.jpg
Originally posted by November
Marlin 981T. Holds lots and lots of .22s, has a full-sized stock, good for signalling and harvesting small game.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j242/hawkingnovember/981T.jpg
Bad for protecting from large game.
November
10-01-2007, 23:06
Originally posted by GSD17
Bad for protecting from large game.
You watch too many movies.
How about one of those Over under guns like the Springfield Armory M6 Scout survival rifle
It has a 22 hornet and a 410 shot gun
The 22 hornet is a rather serious round. (55 gr Blitz bullet @ 2400 F/S producing 703 ft lbs.) and The 410 would be good for foul and rabbits.
You might be able to shoot 410 slugs, or maybe 45-70.
I think that is what I want. In fact I am going to GB and see if I can find one right now.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=81620495
Originally posted by -gunut-
My Saiga 12 (I would say Rem 870 but the Saiga weights less :supergrin: )
Along with birdshot, 00 buck, a few slugs, and a few 12ga flares :supergrin:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/-GuNuT-/AK%20Pics/DSCN2767.jpg
gunut.....
Weighs less until you put in that magazine....Heh,heh,heh! Overall, though, I'd say you got all the bases covered with that Saiga!
hograh
UtahIrishman
10-01-2007, 23:18
My BLR would be just fine. Lightweight, yet powerful enough.
Assuming I have enough ammo and other supplies I might just convert what's left of the plane into a cabin and stay for a while. :supergrin:
hodgeman
10-01-2007, 23:23
A twenty two is the most commonly encountered survival arm on bush planes. Until a couple of years ago a firearm was mandated by the FAA on every AK flight until the Canadians stopped letting them easily cross the border.
I've had a soft spot for the Wild West Co-pilot since I visited Jim's shop a number of years ago. 45-70 takedown that will also take 2.5" 410 shells. These are very nice.
If you crash a bush plane in AK large bears are way down a very long list of things that stand a very good chance of killing you...
brahmabull8413
10-01-2007, 23:39
Stainless Marlin Guide Gun.
Originally posted by hogship
gunut.....
Weighs less until you put in that magazine....Heh,heh,heh! Overall, though, I'd say you got all the bases covered with that Saiga!
hograh
Yeah I would probably use the 5 round mags :supergrin: :thumbsup:
mitchshrader
10-01-2007, 23:48
tanker mauser in .30-06
Marlin .45-70
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Images/photo_1895GS.jpg
HiVelSword
10-02-2007, 00:00
Re barreled Marlin 1894 in .44 mag. with a 50/50 ratio of specials and heavyweight .44 mag. The specials are for small game because vaporizing a bunny with a 340 grain bullet doesn't do my belly any good.
AK_Stick
10-02-2007, 00:15
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ak_stick/100_0526.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ak_stick/IMG_3912.jpg
one of those two goes with me any time I fly.
Any quality .22 rifle. Must have a removable scope and good iron sights and be reliable.
Ruger 10-22
Marlin or Savage
Browning
Reminchester
Doesn't much matter what brand.
A Cricket would do in a pinch.
Savage OU 30-30,12ga. Slugs and shotshells ,oo buck and 30-30 ammo.
gladiator
10-02-2007, 04:41
Yes A 22 rifle would be good for small game , but it will not stop A bear, at least A 30/30 or better 30-06 or my pick A Marlin 45-70 guide gun , an take large game.
Marlin 45-70 Guide Gun.
jawjaboy
10-02-2007, 04:54
Back country Alaska or Canada huh?
A quality revolver, 4" barrel minimum, .44 Mag minimum.
Or
A quality lever gun, 18"-20" barrel, .44 Mag minimum.
NailShooter
10-02-2007, 05:07
A nickel plated/marine type 12 ga pump w/ extended magazine and sling would make me feel pretty warm and fuzzy. A box of assorted shells from birdshot to slugs would complete the package.
Nail
glockawakka
10-02-2007, 05:31
A good solid handgun. Most likely a Ruger single action, 4 5/8s barrel, any of the 4 calibers. Plus a chest holster. Something I could reach with both hands. Just cause your alive doesn't mean you'll have both arms and I can't shoot a long gun one handed. Ammunition would be heavy for caliber, either Punch or LBT Flatnose.
karateman
10-02-2007, 06:54
AR-7.........
I would have said AR7, but I owned one. There was no feed ramp at all, just a flat barrel for the .22s to bump up against and get jammed sideways.
I had a slight feed ramp ground into the barrel, and later had the magazine blow out the bottom of the weapon and crack the frame when I fired. My own little kaboom, I guess, possibly due to the unsupported case (and I'd only removed about 1/8th inch).
It would work ok as a single shot, but there's better options for that. The M6 over under would be a good idea. maybe in .22/.410.
James Markov
10-02-2007, 07:20
Do you have any pics of the blown rifle?-I have heard grinding a feed ramp into the barrel was safe :shocked:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-7
lastevolution
10-02-2007, 07:47
Remington 700 .308 as stated by someone else.
Seems to me we had this same topic not too long ago. I recall going to various bush pilot forums and asking around what they actually carried. Most carried 12 ga. pump shotguns and/or 44 mag revolvers.
The thought process was that the shotgun could take any game you were likely to come across and was good enough for bears.
The thought process behind the revolver was that you would keep it with you all the time and not set it down or loose it easily. It is unlikely to get trapped/lost in the wreakage of your plane if you went down.
Many carried a 22 pistol if they carried a shotgun. Many who carried the revolver also took along a 22 rifle as backup/game getter.
I think my 870 20" with rifle sights and 8 shot tube would be it for me.
Birdshot for small game, slugs for big game or protection.
A close second would be my Pimpoose.:supergrin:
Originally posted by AK_Stick
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ak_stick/100_0526.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ak_stick/IMG_3912.jpg
one of those two goes with me any time I fly.
Not when you're in the US and flying on duty. :upeyes:
Sorry, no pics of the AR7. It took very little metal off of the barrel; just enough that you could see the edge of the .22 shell past the rim when you slipped one into the barrel, and shallow enough to touch the plastic coating on the barrel.
I'm just guessing that was the cause; I didn't shoot it that much mainly because of the feed issues. It didn't feed all that great after the modification anyhow.
karateman
10-02-2007, 12:30
Well for me, I got mine fairly used, but in excellent condition. I myself have only put about 500rds through it. But have not had any problems. Only have the 2 8rd mags that came with, but looking to get some of the 15rd ones from sportsman guide.
ftlupton
10-02-2007, 13:06
870 12 ga, no question for me. Can use slugs,#8 shot for small game. Good for almost anything that might come along.
ftlupton
Originally posted by November
You watch too many movies.
No sir, I don't.
I am sorry, but I doubt you are going to drop a grizzly with a .22.
Irish Knight
10-02-2007, 13:51
Originally posted by GSD17
I am sorry, but I doubt you are going to drop a grizzly with a .22.
What? You're telling me you can't drop Boo-Boo the bear with a .22?
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc101/MAJ58T/booboo.jpg
Seriously though, I would take either my WASR AK chambered in .223 or my M44 Mosin Nagant.
I am certainly not saying that it cannot be done, but the odds are certainly stacked against you.
HollowPoint .45
10-02-2007, 14:21
Folding stock Mossberg 590
Stowes and carries easily when folded, also shootable when folded (unlike take down rifles)
Wide sellection of ammo. Most Alaskan guides like a 12 ga. slug for stopping a bear.
Add a 50 round bandoleer with 25 rounds of high brass number 6 shot for hunting/foraging, 10 rounds of slugs for bears, and 15 rounds of 00 full power buck for wolves and smaller predators.
I've got a long hike ahead of me, but I'll see you in a day or twenty. :supergrin: :thumbsup:
osiruscyn
10-02-2007, 14:50
.477 t-rex
20 Guage pump shotgun is my choice for one gun Bush surviving.
Good ones weight less than six pounds and fifty rounds of 1 1/4 ounce 3" number 5 field loads and fifty rounds of Brenneke slugs will keep you fed and safe for a very long time and the whole package will weith about four pounds less than a 12 guage package.
Switch down to 1 ounce #6 field loads and you can trim almost another 2 pounds off the overall weight of the package.
HiVelSword
10-02-2007, 15:47
Originally posted by osiruscyn
.577 t-rex
I fixed it for you. ;)
osiruscyn
10-02-2007, 16:21
Originally posted by HiVelSword
I fixed it for you. ;)
thanks, i'm a little on the slow side. like the retard side. Not the good side.
Marlin 1894 in .44 magnum. It can loaded up to take down bear, or powered down with .44 specials and take out bunnies.
Andrewsky
10-02-2007, 16:24
Originally posted by AK_Stick
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ak_stick/100_0526.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/ak_stick/IMG_3912.jpg
one of those two goes with me any time I fly.
What do you have there?
Originally posted by Gokyo
How about one of those Over under guns like the Springfield Armory M6 Scout survival rifle
It has a 22 hornet and a 410 shot gun
The 22 hornet is a rather serious round. (55 gr Blitz bullet @ 2400 F/S producing 703 ft lbs.) and The 410 would be good for foul and rabbits.
You might be able to shoot 410 slugs, or maybe 45-70.
I think that is what I want. In fact I am going to GB and see if I can find one right now.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=81620495
WOW!!!
that looks like an awesome gun...i love the combo.(.22 and .410):thumbsup: :wavey:
ftlupton
10-02-2007, 16:45
In this situation you are most likely to be living off small game, birds etc. not moose. Too hard to process and store on your own unless you are going to be there for months and have a good shelter to live out the winter. Otherwise you are going to be working every day for rescue and that means small game, easy to get, process and eat plus preparing water and fire. That's why a shotgun is almost the perfect tool to survive.
ftlupton
Spikehorn11
10-02-2007, 16:50
Originally posted by ftlupton
870 12 ga, no question for me. Can use slugs,#8 shot for small game. Good for almost anything that might come along.
ftlupton
You said it. Here in NY you can't use a rifle for deer hunting in certain zones. I have taken several deer at 100 yards with my 1100 smooth bore.
hardeyes
10-02-2007, 17:00
Hello;
I'd take a Marlin guide gun in 45/70 w/ Garrett 500gr sledgehammer-bulldozer-earthmover rounds, And a mad dog knive.
My reason, Ya ever see the 'edge', Where that brown bear stalks them guys, :shocked:
hardeyes
MTelkman
10-02-2007, 17:01
I am also going to go with the Marlin 1894 lever action .44mag. Heavy 300 grain bullets will stop a bear or take elk, deer, etc. and light 44 specials for the smaller critters. Ideally, it would also have a removable extended eye relief scout 2.5x scope and it would be rebarreled to be able to shoot the really heavy 340 grain bullets.
A 44mag revolver would be a close second because I could ALWAYS have it on my person.
Third choice would be a .22 rifle. In a survival scenario you describe a .22 is probably all you would really need unless you had to protect yourself from an attacking bear. For the most part that is a very small possibility.
I may be biased though since I own a Marin 1894 44mag and it is by far the most versatile and easy to carry/shoot rifle in my safe.
annielulu
10-02-2007, 17:07
Any 12 gauge pump shotgun with lots of 00 buck and slugs.
ruger alaskan or S&W 500 survival kit
Glock-Twenty
10-02-2007, 17:36
If my Benelli M1S90 were too bulky then I'd take my Taurus Judge. It's light, and shoots both 45LC and 410 shotgun. Take a variety of ammo with you and you have a gun that can do quite a lot in a pinch. But I'd still rather have a fullsized 12ga in the woods.
usmc0341
10-02-2007, 17:42
Originally posted by K-DOG
Marlin .45-70
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Images/photo_1895GS.jpg
+1 not sure I would wanna be in bear country with anything smaller!
TahoeBear
10-02-2007, 19:07
Marlin 1894 SS in .44 magnum
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/dmchinnock/photo_1894SS.jpg
StoneDog
10-02-2007, 19:28
Original Ruger .44 Carbine - if I can figure out the FTF's and FTE's with mine that would be my choice. 5 rounds of .44 as fast as you can pull the trigger. If that doesn't stop a Kodiak then nothing I am able to shoot will.
Jon
Originally posted by K-DOG
Marlin .45-70
http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Images/photo_1895GS.jpg
It would be a toss up between the Marlin, a Glock 20 w/ hardcast loads or a 12ga pump with 00 buckshot and slugs. I would be fine with any of the above.
incognitus
10-07-2007, 23:17
How about the H&R Survivor in the 410/45LC.
Its not the lightest thing but you can't beat the simplicity of its break action -- easy to clean and few parts to break. And the transfer bar system makes it farely safe -- no rounds going of because you trip and fall while scrabbling through the brush.
The barrel is rifled so you can us both the 45LC and 410 slugs. It also comes with a screw in choke so you can use shotshells.
The butt has a storage compartment were you can store the choke, some ammo and maybe a mini survival kit like John McCann descibed in that Nov 95 issue of field & streams. IMHO it makes a great grab and go gun
http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/ShotgunsAndRifles/survivor.aspx
Oh, yeah and the two things you really can't beat about the H&R weapons they're usually under $200 and they are US made.
And one more thing, its break action so it can be taken down for easy storage.
Incognitus
TheGlock23Guy
10-07-2007, 23:21
Originally posted by Greg F.
My Glock G20. Light, compact, 15rds of 10mm power. You have got to be kidding me. Out of all the great options out there, You choose to take a handgun? Especially one in 10mm.
TheGlock23Guy
10-07-2007, 23:22
For me personally, I would go with a Ruger 10/22 with a brick of 1000 22lr rounds, Open sights with a scope mounted with quick release rings.
GroovedG19
10-07-2007, 23:38
My 12ga. pump action Stoeger P350.
notoriouskeef
10-07-2007, 23:52
12 gauge with bird, buck, and slugs. Nothing you can't do.
Matt
*Edit to add* I might consider this. One shot and I won't have to clean any game, just pick up the pieces:supergrin:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/images/m-82-dvic539.jpg
WorrGlock
10-07-2007, 23:53
Originally posted by ftlupton
870 12 ga, no question for me. Can use slugs,#8 shot for small game. Good for almost anything that might come along.
ftlupton
Backed up with my G20 and I am set for most anything.
Guns are like potato chips noone wants just one. :tongueout:
Omaha-BeenGlockin
10-08-2007, 08:18
A 12ga pump gun with a variety of loads.
Don't I get to have a knife in this situation????? I'd almost want to have a good knife vs a gun if limited to one thing.
Don't need a long gun, the critters out there are zero threat... Might want a wunder nine in case I run into a nasty Homo Sap, though...
Other than that I want is a good knife, hand saw, small axe, flint sparker, tinder (steel wool), fishing line, hooks and small jigs, wire for rabbit traps, tylenol, sunblock, DEET, warm clothes, good hiking boots, space blanket, air pillow (I need a pillow), mirror, soap, change of clothes, some dehydrated food, chlorine tablets, canteen, cook pot, and something to read....
denny - not afraid of the boogy bear...
hardballing
10-08-2007, 10:14
12 guage pump shotgun with adjustable, not screw in, choke. Remington, Mossberg, Winchester 1200/1300 Defender, whatever in that same genre. AND a huge overshoulder bag of mixed shells.
Three solid months in the Alaskan wilderness, this is what i really used. 1. Remington 300 win mag. 2. Remington Wingmaster 12 gauge pump. 3. Smith and Wesson 44 mag with hot loads. I was born in Fairbanks and grew up in Alaska, and spent my whole childhood stomping around the Alaska bush. These weapons served me quite well over the years. Today i would have my 454 Casull or a Smith 500 mag on my hip. If i could only have one firearm to survive in the bush, it would be a good 12 gauge pump with bird shot and slugs. It would be all you would really need as a long gun in such a situation.
Originally posted by TheGlock23Guy
You have got to be kidding me. Out of all the great options out there, You choose to take a handgun? Especially one in 10mm.
what's wrong with a G20?
it's light, accurate, and holds 15rounds of a great bullet.
it sounds like a good idea to me..especially if you are trying to hike your way out of the woods.(weight is a HUGE factor)
with an extra mag, you can hold 30rds of ammo..that's all you would need for a hike,and for a Survival Gun.
USDefender
10-08-2007, 17:57
Originally posted by November
You watch too many movies.
You need to go to your local zoo & take a gander at the VERY LARGE AND SCARY Grizzlies that in habit the country described by the OP.
I was just thinking that my 7.62 x 54 AK might not be big enough to make me comfortable in such country.
Think I'll take a Guide gun in, at least, .44 magnum.
Marlin 1895 ((link)) (http://www.gunshopfinder.com/marlin/marlin1895G.asp)
1895 w/glass ((link)) (http://www.outdoorguides.com/outdoor/optic_pic2/xslevma.jpg)
TheGlock23Guy
10-09-2007, 00:32
Originally posted by eddief4
what's wrong with a G20?
it's light, accurate, and holds 15rounds of a great bullet.
it sounds like a good idea to me..especially if you are trying to hike your way out of the woods.(weight is a HUGE factor)
with an extra mag, you can hold 30rds of ammo..that's all you would need for a hike,and for a Survival Gun. Not saying anything is wrong with the gun itself. But the situation was about being stranded, Deep in Alaska or Canada Backcountry. While a 10mm will kill most prey, If your lost for a month or two, Those 15 rounds are going to go by very fast, For me personally a 1000 rounds of 22LR will provide me with plenty of small game, Hopefully long enough to make it out of that situation. Not too mention with a 10/22 with Quick Release Rings and a 4X Scope i can make very accurate shots on small game out to a 100 yards. Easily enough for a meal.
Having grown up in Germany, I'd take a "Vierling", but one designed for sale to Americans. I'd have to decide if I wanted 2 12 gage barrels over a 30-06 or .308 (either will do) or two rifle barrels over a 12 gage. The center barrel, which makes it a "vierling", can be either .22 or .22 mag.
anyplainjoe
10-09-2007, 12:58
Hmmmm....
Glock 10mm
or
Ruger Mk 1, 2 or 3
or
Ruger 10/22
or
12 gauge pump with a variety of loads
H&K .45 AUTO
10-09-2007, 14:37
First choice for a long gun would be a Marlin Guide Gun in .45/70... I sure wish I had mine still but I got a LNIB H&K USP .45 with night sights and 2 12-rounders for it straight across.
Of the guns I still have though, it'd have to be my Cetme due to the .308 caliber and the fact that I have 30 some odd mags and lots of ammo for it.
If limited to a handgun... Probably my Dan Wesson 1911 in 10mm.
seamaster
10-09-2007, 23:09
Grew up in Canada and the Northern Forests were my play ground. In my experience, the most versatile gun for this wilderness is the 870.
I have a Wingmaster with wood stocks and 20" barrel with bead simple bead sight. My Brother has the same but with 28" barrel but he most often used mine or put my barrel on his. Both have thousands of rounds thru them, still working effectly.
My experience with Winchester is that it jambed often. The Mossberg needs the slide fully slammed to the front or it will jam and it's plastic safety breaks in the center.
870 with 20" barrel, slugs and bird shot.
Don't recommend the pistol grip without a butt stock on a 12 ga because it's dangerous and useless for hunting. You will raise it to sight something and you will pop yourself in the teeth...seen it happen, and more than once!
Seamaster
Rexzilla
10-09-2007, 23:38
I would go with the Marlin Guide gun also probably 45-70. I would want something fairly compact with some punch in woods country. You go for the optimal threat which is bear.
I don't like these what if scenerios....the gun you need is the one you have WITH YOU.
Goldstar225
10-10-2007, 06:59
12 gauge pump with a variety of deep penetrating slugs and shothells. This will serve to provide dinner or keep you from becoming dinner.
Originally posted by Gokyo
How about one of those Over under guns like the Springfield Armory M6 Scout survival rifle
It has a 22 hornet and a 410 shot gun
The 22 hornet is a rather serious round. (55 gr Blitz bullet @ 2400 F/S producing 703 ft lbs.) and The 410 would be good for foul and rabbits.
You might be able to shoot 410 slugs, or maybe 45-70.
I think that is what I want. In fact I am going to GB and see if I can find one right now.
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=81620495
That's a very good choice.
But I'd take one of the Savage M24 .22 LR over 12 ga shotgun.
As I was walking out I'd have the 12 ga barrel loaded with a brenneke slug just in case a bear decided to eat me or I cam across something bigger I wanted to shoot and eat. I'd use the .22LR to shoot small game for food.
Savage 30-30-12ga. over and under syn.stock matte finish. Slugs,shot buckshot and 150gr. 170gr. 30-30 ammo.Plus choke tubes for 12ga. Some may like the 223-20ga. East of the big muddy.
4" s&w 629
after a crash you would probably stay put for a day or 2 hoping for a rescue.
if no rescue was coming, then you'd have to walk. i wouldn't want to tote a long gun for much distance over rough country. i would rather have both hands free.
Mikeyboy
10-10-2007, 13:09
The "Improved" Springfield Armory M6 Scout Carbine.
.22lr or .22 hornet for small game
.410 for flying game or defense
.45LC for bear defense
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/M69601.asp
usmc4641
10-13-2007, 18:57
Dan Wesson .357 mag
Plenty of .357/ .38 spl FMJs and JHPs
also I guess a smattering of .38 spl shotshells (for killer bees i guess)
I am purty good with it till about 100yds or so, and I reckon it has enough power to protect me from most stuff. And it will definitley handle smaller game.
Almost forgot to add that I have the .22 lr cylinder for it with the .22 barrel liner.:supergrin: That would be in the case too.
my marlin 45/70 SSGG, WITH (future purchace) .457 Wild West Mag mod. shoots 457 WWM rounds, standard 45/70 and 410 shotshell
bersaboy
02-21-2008, 17:58
Taurus Judge
or
Smith and Wesson 625
or
629
cmspeedy
02-21-2008, 18:03
No doubt about it 45-70 if in Canada or Alaska. Bear defense, any North American game, open sights, durability....it's proven itself time and time again in the brush. 30-30 if I was further south and out of bear country (I can pack more ammo).
If I were in Louisiana (home) just give me a .223 or maybe even a .22. I could pack 10,000 rounds of ammo and survive................................................forever.
mfetty77
02-21-2008, 18:04
I would say a larger caliber revolver, at least a .44 magnum. In a belt holster with 3 or 4 boxes of good quality ammo.
betyourlife
02-21-2008, 21:05
Glock 23
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