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crazy_hans
10-12-2007, 08:25
Guys did you watch the news today? Itís about the police officers that were complaining because they were unduly exposed to embarrassment when they were asked what Miranda rights are and they failed to answer. According to the police officer in the interview not all cops know it because some of them, I guess including him, is not working as a field officer so they need not know it! The funny thing here is that he is the one who was unable to answer the question and he even had the guts to complain about it. Iím not saying that all police officers are like him because I met some who are really good like Sir Saki and a lot of others who are adept to what they are enforcing. I just remembered what I watched in the news way before (this was after the shooting incident in Pasig or Makati with suspected carnappers when a cameraman caught it on video) when a police officer was asked what is the rules of engagement, the officer just answered I donít know because Iím an engineering graduate. If my memory serves me right I think a high ranking officer was also asked and failed to answer as well. Given these circumstances I do believe that we are in big trouble since these are elementary rules. I guess there is no reason for me to be surprised when people complain about checkpoint abuses. I hope that the new pnp chief would look at this matter a little closer. Anyway Iím just sharing my thoughts, no intention to offend anyone.:)

chowchow
10-12-2007, 09:20
Walang proper training. Thats the bad part. The realities of today.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HjOgaxAPJl4

Ayan si kenkoy na pulis, "yes sir , yes sir" na lang kung na Bitag. Paturo muna kayo ni Ben, :laughabove:

jerrytrini
10-12-2007, 12:41
Mayroon din palang Miranda Rights sa Pinas? or is it called something else?

A recruit's mind is programmed to respect the rights of the victim and the suspect, particularly when arrest is imminent. I do not have any idea how PNP declares its Miranda Rights but US trained LEO's do know when to say these rights. In fact there is no excuse not to know it because our field officer's notebook has the English and Spanish versions on the back cover.
My 2 cents.

Glock_19_9x19
10-12-2007, 21:10
Were those the WPD cops sa tv lastnight? "Manila's Finest" indeed :animlol:

crazy_hans
10-12-2007, 22:24
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jerrytrini
[B]Mayroon din palang Miranda Rights sa Pinas? or is it called something else?

yes sir meron po copied from the us case pati nga terry vs. ohio copied na din.

crazy_hans
10-12-2007, 22:25
Originally posted by Glock_19_9x19
Were those the WPD cops sa tv lastnight? "Manila's Finest" indeed :animlol:


:laughabove:

isuzu
10-12-2007, 23:21
Akala nila "Mirinda, Sprite." :rofl:

chowchow
10-12-2007, 23:32
http://www.gmanews.tv/largevideo/latest/12832/Saksi-MPD-worst-in-basic-police-protocol

blueeagle
10-13-2007, 04:37
i bet they would know what is "merienda" doctrine. hahahaha :banana:

charlie-xray
10-13-2007, 04:57
truly saddening, but NOT ALL cops are like that.

PMMA97
10-13-2007, 06:48
Meron palang Miranda Rights dito sa Pilipinas?

Anybody who has the Tagalog version?

vega
10-13-2007, 07:50
Originally posted by PMMA97
Meron palang Miranda Rights dito sa Pilipinas?

Anybody who has the Tagalog version?
Mayroon kang karapatan na manahimik.
Kung ayaw mong manahimik,
kami ang magpapatahimik sa'yo.

:)

nrmcolt
10-13-2007, 09:28
Originally posted by vega
Mayroon kang karapatan na manahimik.
Kung ayaw mong manahimik,
kami ang magpapatahimik sa'yo.

:)

:laughabove:

crazy_hans
10-13-2007, 10:04
guys let's make this more interesting by including RA7438 i don't know why that cop is so angry when his CO did him a service pa nga.if they don't know what miranda rights is i bet they have no idea what this law is.anyway any question regarding this law and its PROPER interpretation should be addressed to lawyers like sir catsmeow and the likes.i'm not one so don't ask me po hehehehe.:) :)

REPUBLIC ACT No. 7438

AN ACT DEFINING CERTAIN RIGHTS OF PERSON ARRESTED, DETAINED OR UNDER CUSTODIAL INVESTIGATION AS WELL AS THE DUTIES OF THE ARRESTING, DETAINING AND INVESTIGATING OFFICERS, AND PROVIDING PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS THEREOF

Section 1. Statement of Policy. - It is the policy of the Senate to value the dignity of every human being and guarantee full respect for human rights.

Section 2. Rights of Persons Arrested, Detained or Under Custodial Investigation; Duties of Public Officers. - (a) Any person arrested detained or under custodial investigation shall at all times be assisted by counsel.

(b) Any public officer or employee, or anyone acting under his order or his place, who arrests, detains or investigates any person for the commission of an offense shall inform the latter, in a language known to and understood by him, of his rights to remain silent and to have competent and independent counsel, preferably of his own choice, who shall at all times be allowed to confer privately with the person arrested, detained or under custodial investigation. If such person cannot afford the services of his own counsel, he must be provided with a competent and independent counsel by the investigating officer.lawphi1ü

(c) The custodial investigation report shall be reduced to writing by the investigating officer, provided that before such report is signed, or thumbmarked if the person arrested or detained does not know how to read and write, it shall be read and adequately explained to him by his counsel or by the assisting counsel provided by the investigating officer in the language or dialect known to such arrested or detained person, otherwise, such investigation report shall be null and void and of no effect whatsoever.

(d) Any extrajudicial confession made by a person arrested, detained or under custodial investigation shall be in writing and signed by such person in the presence of his counsel or in the latter's absence, upon a valid waiver, and in the presence of any of the parents, elder brothers and sisters, his spouse, the municipal mayor, the municipal judge, district school supervisor, or priest or minister of the gospel as chosen by him; otherwise, such extrajudicial confession shall be inadmissible as evidence in any proceeding.

(e) Any waiver by a person arrested or detained under the provisions of Article 125 of the Revised Penal Code, or under custodial investigation, shall be in writing and signed by such person in the presence of his counsel; otherwise the waiver shall be null and void and of no effect.

(f) Any person arrested or detained or under custodial investigation shall be allowed visits by or conferences with any member of his immediate family, or any medical doctor or priest or religious minister chosen by him or by any member of his immediate family or by his counsel, or by any national non-governmental organization duly accredited by the Commission on Human Rights of by any international non-governmental organization duly accredited by the Office of the President. The person's "immediate family" shall include his or her spouse, fianc� or fianc�e, parent or child, brother or sister, grandparent or grandchild, uncle or aunt, nephew or niece, and guardian or ward.

As used in this Act, "custodial investigation" shall include the practice of issuing an "invitation" to a person who is investigated in connection with an offense he is suspected to have committed, without prejudice to the liability of the "inviting" officer for any violation of law.

Section 3. Assisting Counsel. - Assisting counsel is any lawyer, except those directly affected by the case, those charged with conducting preliminary investigation or those charged with the prosecution of crimes.

The assisting counsel other than the government lawyers shall be entitled to the following fees;

(a) The amount of One hundred fifty pesos (P150.00) if the suspected person is chargeable with light felonies;lawphi1©alf

(b) The amount of Two hundred fifty pesos (P250.00) if the suspected person is chargeable with less grave or grave felonies;

(c) The amount of Three hundred fifty pesos (P350.00) if the suspected person is chargeable with a capital offense.

The fee for the assisting counsel shall be paid by the city or municipality where the custodial investigation is conducted, provided that if the municipality of city cannot pay such fee, the province comprising such municipality or city shall pay the fee: Provided, That the Municipal or City Treasurer must certify that no funds are available to pay the fees of assisting counsel before the province pays said fees.

In the absence of any lawyer, no custodial investigation shall be conducted and the suspected person can only be detained by the investigating officer in accordance with the provisions of Article 125 of the Revised Penal Code.

Section 4. Penalty Clause. - (a) Any arresting public officer or employee, or any investigating officer, who fails to inform any person arrested, detained or under custodial investigation of his right to remain silent and to have competent and independent counsel preferably of his own choice, shall suffer a fine of Six thousand pesos (P6,000.00) or a penalty of imprisonment of not less than eight (8) years but not more than ten (10) years, or both. The penalty of perpetual absolute disqualification shall also be imposed upon the investigating officer who has been previously convicted of a similar offense.

The same penalties shall be imposed upon a public officer or employee, or anyone acting upon orders of such investigating officer or in his place, who fails to provide a competent and independent counsel to a person arrested, detained or under custodial investigation for the commission of an offense if the latter cannot afford the services of his own counsel.

(b) Any person who obstructs, prevents or prohibits any lawyer, any member of the immediate family of a person arrested, detained or under custodial investigation, or any medical doctor or priest or religious minister chosen by him or by any member of his immediate family or by his counsel, from visiting and conferring privately with him, or from examining and treating him, or from ministering to his spiritual needs, at any hour of the day or, in urgent cases, of the night shall suffer the penalty of imprisonment of not less than four (4) years nor more than six (6) years, and a fine of four thousand pesos (P4,000.00).lawphi1©

The provisions of the above Section notwithstanding, any security officer with custodial responsibility over any detainee or prisoner may undertake such reasonable measures as may be necessary to secure his safety and prevent his escape.

Section 5. Repealing Clause. - Republic Act No. No. 857, as amended, is hereby repealed. Other laws, presidential decrees, executive orders or rules and regulations, or parts thereof inconsistent with the provisions of this Act are repealed or modified accordingly.

Section 6. Effectivity. - This Act shall take effect fifteen (15) days following its publication in the Official Gazette or in any daily newspapers of general circulation in the Philippines.

Approved: April 27, 1992.lawphiil

atmarcella
10-14-2007, 20:05
Originally posted by charlie-xray
truly saddening, but NOT ALL cops are like that.

majority of people working for government are just plain incompetent, if the're not then they're thieves, but not all of them are.....just the majority:shocked:

CatsMeow
10-14-2007, 20:48
Originally posted by vega
Mayroon kang karapatan na manahimik.
Kung ayaw mong manahimik,
kami ang magpapatahimik sa'yo.

:)

:rofl: :rofl:

I know there is such an animal as the Miranda rights here in the Philippines since I asked that specific question in first year law school.:)

CatsMeow
10-14-2007, 20:51
Originally posted by atmarcella
majority of people working for government are just plain incompetent, if the're not then they're thieves, but not all of them are.....just the majority:shocked:

I work in government, but I'll let that pass, since I 100% agree with you!:thumbsup:

chowchow
10-14-2007, 21:18
Excuse me for this comment but karamihan nasa PNP ay gusto nan dyan kasi maka pera sila sa mga sideline. PA , PAF at PN walang pera at mahihirap pa ang kalaban . Buhay bundok ...

jerrytrini
10-14-2007, 21:39
My brothers, please be civil in you comments, mayroon mga police officers dito sa forum.

chowchow
10-14-2007, 22:30
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/beng2xboy/d2k_14.jpg

fashion model si pareng sekyu

riddler
10-14-2007, 23:18
corruption in the PNP?????? Please don't get me started!!!!!

75% of the cops there are corrupt, 20% have not been caught and the other 5% have yet to try! To add insult to injury, a big majority are inept, lazy, undisciplined, abusive, and ignorant too.

But in fairness, I do know one good and effective cop growing up. He is Tony Ferrer aka Agent X44.

chowchow
10-14-2007, 23:23
Sarap ng buhay ng pulis pards.

blueeagle
10-14-2007, 23:44
masarap ang buhay ng mga opisyal ng pulis! those at the lower rungs are applying as butchers abroad where they earn as much as 90K a month ( at least in our neck of the woods). those who don't make it are up to their eyebrows in debt and are receiving only a couple of hundred pesos a month of their salary, kaya ayun --- anything to keep body and soul together! :sad:

blueeagle
10-14-2007, 23:47
Originally posted by chowchow
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/beng2xboy/d2k_14.jpg

fashion model si pareng sekyu
at least, he is a harder target to hit compared to a regular sized sekyu. hahahahahah:rofl:

CatsMeow
10-15-2007, 00:56
Just curious, Jerrytrini, what are the requirements for one to become a LEO over there?:)

atmarcella
10-15-2007, 07:06
Originally posted by CatsMeow
I work in government, but I'll let that pass, since I 100% agree with you!:thumbsup:

im sorry, i just paid grease money to someone from the BIR thats why pissed off ako....

jerrytrini
10-15-2007, 10:00
To answer CatsMeow;
Qualification exam (HS stuff), Interview before two civilians and 1 police sergeant, Psych Evals, Medical Evals, Essay no less than 500 words (a topic will be given to you), another Psych Evals, PT consisting of 25 yard run carrying a 140 lb load, 1.5 run in less than 12 minutes.

Once you complete these, a seven month classroom instruction awaits you: Knowledge of the Law, several tests of one's integrity (they check your background then ask you questions about it, more law and more law. Then tests 3X weekly. One is allowed to fail two tests but must complete remediation then take those tests again if he/she fails it, the recruit is terminated. Imagine if you are on your 7th month and fail twice.It happened in my class. We were about to graduate when one of us had to let go because he also failed the remediation. My class started with 101 recruits but 84 graduated. During probation 6 were terminated. After probation 3 were terminated and several more resigned in lieu of termination.

My class started at 0430 daily, run for 1.5 then go to class then more run or ground fighting, shooting (pistol and shotgun). Use of force lethal and non-lethal, crowd control,
handcuffing techniques, first aid, defensive/offensive driving, rescue, baton techniques and so on and so on.

When this is said and done, another 12 months of probation awaits. This is the street experience. Many recruits fail these due to: lying and denying, drunkenness, lack of integrity, inability to grasp common sense when danger is present, etc etc. Our internal affairs is always looking over our shoulders. The biggest deal in my department is SERVICE WITH INTEGRITY. These are just the basics.

crazy_hans
10-15-2007, 11:17
Originally posted by jerrytrini
To answer CatsMeow;
Qualification exam (HS stuff), Interview before two civilians and 1 police sergeant, Psych Evals, Medical Evals, Essay no less than 500 words (a topic will be given to you), another Psych Evals, PT consisting of 25 yard run carrying a 140 lb load, 1.5 run in less than 12 minutes.

Once you complete these, a seven month classroom instruction awaits you: Knowledge of the Law, several tests of one's integrity (they check your background then ask you questions about it, more law and more law. Then tests 3X weekly. One is allowed to fail two tests but must complete remediation then take those tests again if he/she fails it, the recruit is terminated. Imagine if you are on your 7th month and fail twice.It happened in my class. We were about to graduate when one of us had to let go because he also failed the remediation. My class started with 101 recruits but 84 graduated. During probation 6 were terminated. After probation 3 were terminated and several more resigned in lieu of termination.

My class started at 0430 daily, run for 1.5 then go to class then more run or ground fighting, shooting (pistol and shotgun). Use of force lethal and non-lethal, crowd control,
handcuffing techniques, first aid, defensive/offensive driving, rescue, baton techniques and so on and so on.

When this is said and done, another 12 months of probation awaits. This is the street experience. Many recruits fail these due to: lying and denying, drunkenness, lack of integrity, inability to grasp common sense when danger is present, etc etc. Our internal affairs is always looking over our shoulders. The biggest deal in my department is SERVICE WITH INTEGRITY. These are just the basics.

wow!so much exams physical and mental no wonder magagaling kayo.i like watching actaul videos of bg being tackled by LEO's here coz it kind of takes 5 or 6 men to put handcuffs on a suspect even when the bg is just about their size.that's why when i saw lady cops showing off sa media everone knows that its all for the show.

CatsMeow
10-15-2007, 18:56
Thanks, Jerrytrini. It's far more stringent than what newly-minted cops here go through. No wonder bad eggs there are more the exception than the general rule.:thumbsup: I'd rather YOU be the one to pull me over rather than any pinoy cop.

Just now I saw some cops pull over two guys on a motorcycle. One cop was turning over a guy's wallet to him, and in doing so opened it wide and said: "o, tan-awa, tingali makaingon ka nga gikawatan ka namo." (See, look, perhaps you might say we are stealing from you) I had to chuckle...:supergrin:

Some years ago I was near UN Avenue buying lotto tickets, when in front of the Manila Pavilion hotel I saw a taxi rear-end a red car. And out of the red car came a bunch of police officers. It isn't hard to imagine what the taxi driver was thinking...:supergrin:

CatsMeow
10-15-2007, 19:05
Originally posted by atmarcella
im sorry, i just paid grease money to someone from the BIR thats why pissed off ako....

I do understand, I have personal knowledge of certain cases where bribery in the millions was used to swing decisions... if murder were not a crime against God and against the law...:upeyes:

PMMA97
10-15-2007, 19:10
I think you also MUST be a US citizen before you could become a police officer.

jerrytrini
10-15-2007, 19:23
Sometimes a driver would really violate a simple traffic rule, try to bribe or intimidate the police officer, but the violator himself is an Internal Affairs officer doing a traffic audit. His findings will be forwarded to the offier's C.O. either for award or punishment. Then there is the "Lost Wallet" with $100.00 and driver's license. This wallet was supposedly found in the street by a citizen who turns it over to my partner. The finder of the wallet was actually a CBS Investigator doing a sting on selected police departments in America. The wallet including the money and DL were returned to the rightful owner after an exhaustive search for the owner.
This was on TV 4 or 5 years ago. The female officer who made the effort to return the wallet and its contents was my partner who is now married to a Pinoy. Internal Affairs sting operations happen everyday in my department. The officers who violate the trust of the citizenry and the Department are immediately suspended and/or terminated. This is one way to weed out bad apples.
During normal traffic stops, we do not go through someone's personal property or even search the car's interior. All we say to the violator is "I am Officer----the reason I pulled you over is because you failed to----may I see your DL, Insurance and Registration PLEASE. The driver hands these over then I say thank you. After he is cited, I would always say, "Please drive safely".

CatsMeow
10-15-2007, 19:32
Jerrytrini, with the proliferation of CCWs over there, what is your procedure on this aspect? Do you wait for the motorist to declare that he's packing or do you ask him yourself?

jerrytrini
10-15-2007, 19:45
During traffic stops, we do not care if you are packing or not so long as you do not give us a reason to ask you or search your car (Probable Cause). If ever we find something of interest in your vehicle then that is another story.

Before we get out of our B/W, we check the car's status. We would know via radio or mobile computer. Sometimes you will see on live TV cops with guns drawn because they have been alerted that this driver is either a fleeing felon or with a warrant or the car is stolen.

CatsMeow
10-15-2007, 19:53
I did ask this because there was a spirited discussion on this issue in the gun magazines and forums; it seems that some guys, after being pulled over, told the LEO that he has a piece... the issue is what should a LEO say to the motorist when this happens, and what the motorist should do in this situation...

low profile
10-15-2007, 20:00
Originally posted by jerrytrini
Sometimes a driver would really violate a simple traffic rule, try to bribe or intimidate the police officer, but the violator himself is an Internal Affairs officer doing a traffic audit. His findings will be forwarded to the offier's C.O. either for award or punishment. Then there is the "Lost Wallet" with $100.00 and driver's license. This wallet was supposedly found in the street by a citizen who turns it over to my partner. The finder of the wallet was actually a CBS Investigator doing a sting on selected police departments in America. The wallet including the money and DL were returned to the rightful owner after an exhaustive search for the owner.
This was on TV 4 or 5 years ago. The female officer who made the effort to return the wallet and its contents was my partner who is now married to a Pinoy. Internal Affairs sting operations happen everyday in my department. The officers who violate the trust of the citizenry and the Department are immediately suspended and/or terminated. This is one way to weed out bad apples.
During normal traffic stops, we do not go through someone's personal property or even search the car's interior. All we say to the violator is "I am Officer----the reason I pulled you over is because you failed to----may I see your DL, Insurance and Registration PLEASE. The driver hands these over then I say thank you. After he is cited, I would always say, "Please drive safely".

:thumbsup:

shows how screwed up our country is:sad:

chowchow
10-15-2007, 20:27
Uso pa ba yung P 200 between the driver's license when handing it over to traffic cop? "Pang kape lang yun, boss." :hugs:

jerrytrini
10-15-2007, 20:31
We do not search a vehicle unless the driver is arrested, the car is going to a tow yard (inventory)or the car is suspected to have been used in a crime. I don't ask if a driver is carrying a firearm, if he tells me so then good for him. Unless this weapon is in plain view, then I would escalate the method of investigation.
May I suggest that all the BOGs do a "Ride Along" in police cars. Most departments allow ordinary citizens to observe a shift. In fact almost each week my division has a "Rider Along".
My daughter did it for 8 hours in one night, an extra point for her college credit.

CatsMeow
10-15-2007, 20:49
Thanks Jerrytrini for your input on American law enforcement; indeed a far cry from the PNP.

My former boss was in a car over there which got pulled over for speeding, and the LEO that did so was most courteous and polite, although he said he feared the pistol on the LEO's belt.:supergrin:

low profile
10-15-2007, 21:12
Originally posted by chowchow
Uso pa ba yung P 200 between the driver's license when handing it over to traffic cop? "Pang kape lang yun, boss." :hugs:

100 lang ang laki ng 200

saki1611
10-15-2007, 22:26
Originally posted by chowchow
Uso pa ba yung P 200 between the driver's license when handing it over to traffic cop? "Pang kape lang yun, boss." :hugs:

in makati city nowadays, it would be hard to bribe the traffic enforcers/police because of the commissions they receive from the penalty imposed in every ticket they cited.

CatsMeow
10-15-2007, 23:01
Originally posted by chowchow
Uso pa ba yung P 200 between the driver's license when handing it over to traffic cop? "Pang kape lang yun, boss." :hugs:

Around this time, it's "Merry Christmas". Happened to me at Shaw Boulevard.:supergrin:

Also, while shooting at a fishpond in Pampanga, one cop-bodyguard saw my carry load (Eldorado Starfire) and inevitably "Pa-arbor naman sir".:supergrin:

Still, it helps to have great relationships with PNP personnel, warts and all..:)

jerrytrini
10-17-2007, 08:07
At the departure area, while the customs or PNP (not sure which) officer was going through my travel docs, he said, "Sir baka mayroon kayong perang iwanan sa akin?" I pretended I was hard of hearing, so I asked him in a loud tone, "Ulitin mo nga hindi kita marinig?" He then quickly smiled and walked away.

atmarcella
10-17-2007, 19:22
in the airport they should put up a sign saying:

"welcome to the philippines...run like hell by filipinos...in essence....welcome to hell":thumbsup:

chowchow
10-17-2007, 21:39
in the airport they should put up a sign saying:

"welcome to the philippines...run like hell by filipinos...in essence....welcome to hell":thumbsup:



>>>>>>>>>>

Was that said by Pres M L Quezon long ago? It gives a low esteem sa Bayan.

mikey177
10-17-2007, 22:57
...Our internal affairs is always looking over our shoulders...

Who watches over the shoulder of the Internal Affairs guys? For an internal audit system to work in our PNP, there has also got to be some check and balance, to ensure that the watchers themselves do not become corrupted, diba?

chowchow
10-17-2007, 23:03
Magka areglado at konsabo lahat sila, wala parin. Sabi pa nila , if you dont do (a little of corruption) it, di walang mangyayari/asenso sa buhay. You be the judge.

kcboy
10-17-2007, 23:22
i know not all cops are stupid and bad, but honestly, i feel that there are more bad cops than good cops.

CatsMeow
10-18-2007, 00:32
It's basically a character flaw of Pinoys, caused I believe by the absolute dearth of proper education and values both in the home and in school. That's why we really feel like shooting jeepney drivers, for example; they couldn't care less about society in general and traffic in particular. Ditto for kotong cops.

I read somewhere that the Filipinos only learned discipline, example falling in line, at the point of a Japanese bayonet.

Proper education and discipline is the key. Example, at Saint Louis School (remember ChowChow?) one girl lost some 5-centavo coins, the ones with wavy edges. SHE GOT THEM BACK PRONTO!

This is why we can only pine for the discipline of Jerrytrini and American law enforcement, or dream about joining him!

MRV_G17
10-18-2007, 02:16
I read somewhere that the Filipinos only learned discipline, example falling in line, at the point of a Japanese bayonet.
2yrs back, i had a chat with our Labor Attache here in Tokyo. I asked him if it will be possible for filipinos to be as disciplined as the japanese.
at point blank he answered me "THAT IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE".

he told me a very interesting story, a story that i didn't realize could be true:
he said, "When the spaniards came to Philippines, they gave us religion, which the filipinos adopted it"

"when the americans came in, they gave us education, the filipinos adopted it"
"but... when the japanese came in, nobody knew what we inherited from them"

I did asked him "why? i can't seem to recall any japanese contributions"

he told me "there is! they introduced DISCIPLINE which the filipinos simply ignored"

I really wish we could straighten out our system in our country. I dont want to work here forever and I dont want my kids and grand kids grewup under a corrupt country.

here in Tokyo, any gov't official got involved in scandal, they volutarily resign from their positions.

back home, our govt official simply smile at the camera and say "Im Sorry".

chowchow
10-18-2007, 12:05
Its all about money , money and money behind the power and fame (position). Thats why its really hard to enter the Kingdom of God. Lol. Kasam narin tayo dyan.