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horge
10-15-2007, 02:36
In the oily, turbulent wake of the previous
BoG Quiz Part I (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=489023),
BoG Quiz Part II (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=492534),
BoG Quiz Part III (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=513410),
BoG Quiz Part IV (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=556859),
and
BoG Quiz Part V (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=629222)...
comes now the sixth installment.


I'm offering a prize to whoever gets the most number of correct answers first,
based on points indicated below. The prize is nothing fancy, just a very compact
Lansky 'Mini Crock Stick" knife sharpener. (one of the pieces shown below)
http://i16.tinypic.com/4kmkf88.jpg





BoG Quiz part VI



http://i24.tinypic.com/21c5u6t.jpg
1. What firearm was used to kill (our Philippine National Hero) José Rizal?
When was this firearm officially introduced in the Philippines?
(5 points)


2. What firearm cartridge is associated with Rizal's inamorata, Josephine Bracken?(3 points)
http://i20.tinypic.com/9uapm1.jpg
Carminia Gutierrez portrayed Josephin Bracken in
the 1998 movie José Rizal


3. Until when does the Current Amnesty for Loose Firearms run?
(4 points)


4. Identify the folowing five handguns, from their profile images
(1 point per ID, for 5 points total)
http://i20.tinypic.com/9qjzow.jpg

5. Identify the following movie/TV firearms, from the images provided:
(1 point per ID, for 3 points total)
http://i20.tinypic.com/2qiuv4y.jpg

http://i23.tinypic.com/9jhe74.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/34qvc09.jpg

5b. Which of the folllowing is probably the loudest when fired:
.45 ACP, 9mm Parabellum, or .380 ACP?
(3 points)

6. Who are these two men, and why are they smiling?
(2 points)
http://i20.tinypic.com/2ps1uon.jpg

7. What is the penal difference between conviction for illegal possession of
a .44 Magnum revolver, and conviction for illegal possession of a .380 ACP pistol?
(3 points)

8. What law prevents Twin Pines Inc. from openly selling its select-fire M14's and AK47's,
to non-LEO's and non-military citizens of the Philippines?
(3 points)

9. What is a stem bind?
(2 points)

10. Name the three earliest marketed smokeless powders for firearms,
and WHY they're named whatever they're named.
(1 point each, for 3 points total)


Give it your best shot!
:)

New_comer
10-15-2007, 02:39
VOLTES V!!!! :supergrin:

But that's the only one I recognized... :sad: :thumbsup:

Allegra
10-15-2007, 02:55
Was about to give up until I recognized the digital ammo counter sa rifle. Aliens!

di naman siguro zaido?

horge
10-15-2007, 03:11
But... you have to actually NAME the firearm!
(sigue na nga, 1/2 point each to Allegra and to New_Comer...)
:)

And, I'll be LBC'ing or FedExing the prize to the winner,
on my own hard earned peso. Paul (batangueno) complained
that the past BoG Quizzes were a little too easy daw...

:supergrin:

CatsMeow
10-15-2007, 03:33
Ok will give it my best shot:

1) Remington Rolling Block in .43 Spanish; late 19th century, issued to Filipino soldiers when the Spanish Army got the Mauser.

2) No idea

3) One year from its publishing (forgot the date)

4) Beretta Jetfire .25 or .22 short; Glock 34; Steyr-Mannlicher 8mm; FN Browning M1910; don't know the little guy.

5) Dressed-up Thompson M1 in Alien; second looks like a dressed-up Hi-Point; don't know the Voltes V gun

5) .45 ACP (you got two 5s)

6) The first guy looks like Gen. Mikhail Kalashnikov; the second, Bill Ruger? Of course Gen. Kalashnikov should smile, the AK-47 is the most widely distributed firearm in the world.

7) The penalty for possessing the .44 magnum is greater than the .380 since the former is high-powered, the latter low-powered, also for the former it goes to the RTC; the latter to the MTC.

8) PD 1866

As for the rest, sorry no idea.

horge
10-15-2007, 04:31
:shocked:
I have two 5's...
Thanks! I renamed the second one "5b.", and....

CatsMeow got parts of #4 and #6 right!!
:thumbsup:

Scores:
CatsMeow - 2 points
Allegra - 1/2 point
New_comer - 1/2 point


4. Identify the folowing five handguns, from their profile images
(1 point per ID, for 5 points total)
http://i20.tinypic.com/9qjzow.jpg

That is indeed an FN Browning Model 1910 at lower right
A very handsome (.380 ACP or .32 ACP) pistol
----Four more handgun ID's left in the pic!!!

6. Who are these two men, and why are they smiling?
(2 points)
http://i20.tinypic.com/2ps1uon.jpg
That's indeed Mikhail Kalashnikov on the left.
The AK-47 is indeed one of the most successful rifles in history...
Why WOULDN'T he be smiling?
----Who's the other gentleman, then? :)

Nice going, CM!
Keep trying, guys!! :)
All 10 questions are still live (but partially chipped):

1. What firearm was used to kill (our Philippine National Hero) José Rizal?
When was this firearm officially introduced in the Philippines? (5 points)
Keep trying!

2. What firearm cartridge is associated with Rizal's inamorata, Josephine Bracken?(3 points)
Keep trying!

3. Until when does the Current Amnesty for Loose Firearms run? (4 points)
Keep trying!

4. Identify the folowing five handguns, from their profile images
(1 point per ID, for 5 points total)
http://i20.tinypic.com/9qjzow.jpg
The one on the lower right is done.
Four more of those handguns to go!

5. Identify the following movie/TV firearms, from the images provided:
(1 point per ID, for 3 points total)
http://i20.tinypic.com/2qiuv4y.jpg
http://i23.tinypic.com/9jhe74.jpg
http://i24.tinypic.com/34qvc09.jpg
you have to name the firearm in the movie!

5b. Which of the folllowing is probably the loudest when fired:
.45 ACP, 9mm Parabellum, or .380 ACP?
(3 points)
Keep trying!

6. Who are these two men, and why are they smiling?
(2 points)
http://i20.tinypic.com/2ps1uon.jpg
Who's the guy on the right?!

7. What is the penal difference between conviction for illegal possession of
a .44 Magnum revolver, and conviction for illegal possession of a .380 ACP pistol?
(3 points)
You gotta specify the difference!

8. What law prevents Twin Pines Inc. from openly selling its select-fire M14's and AK47's,
to non-LEO's and non-military citizens of the Philippines?
(3 points)
Not PD 1866. Keep trying!

9. What is a stem bind?
(2 points)
Keep trying!


10. Name the three earliest marketed smokeless powders for firearms,
and WHY they're named whatever they're named.
(1 point each, for 3 points total)
Keep trying!

zorkd
10-15-2007, 04:49
some of my answer are just guesses.

1. Model 1893 7mm Mauser Rifle
2. Model 1893 7mm Mauser Rifle
3.
4. beretta 950 jetfire 25acp, glock17L, derringer of some sort, Steyr-Mannlicher 1905, FN Browning 1910
5. Armat M41A from Aliens, unidentified (possibly early star wars), voltes bazooka from Voltes V
5b. 45 acp is the loudest according to "average decibel output" charts, but because of the open bolt, in my experience the 380 seems louder. 380 will "sound" loudest.
6. mikhail kalashnikov on the left, eugene stoner on the right. they are smiling as in this photo they are holding each other's gun.
7. prision correccional in its maximum period and a fine of not less than Fifteen thousand pesos (P15,000) for the 380acp, prision mayor in its minimum period and a fine of Thirty thousand pesos (P30,000) for the .44 as it is considered "high powered firearm"
8. R.A. 8294
9. when the round gets caught at the lip of the magazine.
10. IMR = improved medium rate, Unique, cordite (because it looked like cords)

cebuboy
10-15-2007, 05:45
3. until Sept. next year

4. the small one looks like a beretta bobcat, the one with the stripper clip looks like a mannlicher 1901, the glock is the 17/22L longslide:), the small one looks like a colt first model derringer and lastly the browning 1910 7.65

5. the gun with the counter looks like the gun in starship troopers, the one below is from lethal weapon series that fires AP rounds. of course its the voltes bazooka of voltes V.

5b. 9mm is louder.

6. thats Mikhail Kalashnikov and Eugene Stoner:)

batangueno
10-15-2007, 06:58
Mukhang hinirapan mo na talaga horge ah. Voltes Bazooka rin lang ang alam ko....hahaha:supergrin:

batangueno
10-15-2007, 07:11
3. Until when does the Current Amnesty for Loose Firearms run? (4 points)

June 13, 2008

batangueno
10-15-2007, 07:18
9. What is a stem bind?
(2 points)

Failure to feed jam. Cartridge rim binds up under the extractor.

horge
10-15-2007, 07:21
zorkd scores! so does cebuboy!
zorkd got much of #1, part of #4, bits of #5
the balance of #6, all of #7 and a third of #10 ;)
cebuboy got chunks of #4 and #5 and toasted #5b


Scores
zorkd - 10 points
cebuboy - 4 points
CatsMeow - 2 points
Allegra - 1/2 point
New_comer - 1/2 point

1. What firearm was used to kill (Philippine National Hero) José Rizal?
When was it officially introduced in the Philippines? (5 points)
http://i22.tinypic.com/ngyb6h.jpg

zorkd got this one, though Catsmeow came really close!
Rizal was executed by a squad of Filipinos armed (by one 'insider' account)
temporarily with the Mauser Model 92 (7.65mm).
http://i22.tinypic.com/33vyd1x.jpg
It seems some Spaniards thought it 'neat' to use their fairly new rifles
on their 'Public Enemy No.1'.
The Filipino riflemen themselves had Mausers trained on them from behind,
at point blank range by a squad of Spanish infantry.
The balance of info remaining is too easy to Google up, so (zorkd only gets 2 out of 5 points)...
The Fusil Mauser Español Modelo 1892 had been named the issue rifle of
the Spanish Ejercitos, per Real órden de 30 de Noviembre de 1892, issued in
the name of Alfonso XIII by his mother, the Reina Regente Maria Cristina.
Some 2,070 units of the rifle were shipped to the Philippines through early 1894,
clearly in time for use in the public execution, and for the violent revolution
that followed.

4. Identify the folowing five handguns, from their profile images
(1 point per ID, for 5 points total)
http://i20.tinypic.com/9qjzow.jpg
zorkd got two right, for 2 points:
a Glock 17L (longslide) and a Mannlicher Model 1905,
at upper right and lower left respectively! His answer on the
latter was just specific enough to count :)
cebuboy got the Colt No.1 in the center... nice call, for 1 point![/b]

5. Identify the following movie/TV firearms, from the images provided:

M41-A Pulse Rifle - Allegra and zorkd take a half-point each for this
http://i24.tinypic.com/241lafq.jpg
From James Cameron's movie "Aliens", the M41-A Pulse Rifle
is an air cooled, fully automatic combat rifle, firing caseless 10x24mm AP
(from a 95+ round U-bend magazine) in either semi automatic, five round burst, or
fully automatic mode. The Pulse rifle has a small battery powered digital display
indicating the number of rounds left in the magazine. It has a retractable stock
and an underslung 30mm PN grenade launcher.

Voltes Bazooka - New_comer and zorkd take a half-point each for this!
http://i23.tinypic.com/i6dzt5.jpg
From Nagahama Tadao's anime series "Voltes V", the Voltes Bazooka is a retractable,
automatic RPG launcher, built into the forearm of an extremely large robot that
is the star of the show.


5b. Which of the folllowing is probably the loudest when fired:
.45 ACP, 9mm Parabellum, or .380 ACP?(3 points)
cebuboy nailed this one...
A lot depends on brand/type of cartridge, but a comparison made
at Ball State U (Indiana) said to be generally-representative,
lists the three cartridges and their dB output thus:
9mm Parabellum 159.8 dB
380 ACP 157.7 dB
.45 ACP 157.0 dB
http://www.freehearingtest.com/hia_gunfirenoise.shtml

6. Who are these two men, and why are they smiling?
(2 points)
CatsMeow and zorkd split the points on this one!
That's Mikhail Kalashnikov and Eugene Stoner.
They're admiring each other's contributions to firearms technology:
the AK-47 and the M16.
http://i24.tinypic.com/1zebjx5.jpg
Two of the most successful rifles in history...
Why WOULDN'T they be smiling?

7. What is the penal difference between conviction for illegal possession of
a .44 Magnum revolver, and conviction for illegal possession of a .380 ACP pistol?(3 points)
zorkd brutalized this one for a solid 3 points...
Per Presidential Decree No. 1866 (29 June 1983; AMENDED 6 June 1997)
A .44 Mag revolver is a high-powered handgun, meaning it dispenses a cartridge
greater in caliber and/or power than a 9mm Parabellum. The penalty specified for
illegal possession of the same is 30,000 pesos in fines, and/or prision mayor
in its minimum term (8 years). A .380 pistol lower is a low-powered handgun, and
the penalty for illegal possession thereof is 15,000 pesos in fines, and/or
prision correcional in maximum (6 years). The 'difference is thus (speaking
very roughly, since sentencing is subject to the judge's discretion):
2 years and 15,000 pesos.

10. Name the three earliest smokeless powders for firearms,
and WHY they're named whatever they're named.(1 point each, for 3 total)
zorkd got the most recent of the three, for 1 point!
Cordite - a British ripoff (Fred Abel and James Dewar) of one
of the other two smokeless propellants, using guncotton and
petroleum jelly in place of collodion and camphor.
Cordite was rendered into a paste which was then extruded into long noodles
that hardened into rigid strings, or cords... hence the name.

Nice going!
Keep trying, guys!! :)
6 questions are still live (some partially chipped):

3. Until when does the Current Amnesty for Loose Firearms run? (4 points)
Keep trying! It ain't June 13, 2008!

4. Identify the following five handguns, from their profile images
(1 point)
http://i20.tinypic.com/9qjzow.jpg
Just the one in the upper left remaining!

5. Identify the following movie/TV firearms, from the images provided:
(1 point)
http://i23.tinypic.com/9jhe74.jpg
you have to name the firearm and the show!

8. What law prevents Twin Pines Inc. from openly selling its select-fire M14's and AK47's,
to non-LEO's and non-military citizens of the Philippines?
(3 points)
Not P.D. 1866, nor R.A. 8294 which amended the former.
Keep trying!

9. What is a stem bind?(2 points)
Still too general, Paul.
Keep trying!

10. Name the the other 2 earliest marketed smokeless powders for firearms,
aside from cordite, and WHY they're named whatever they're named.
(1 point each)
Keep trying!


....and some o' you may be wondering: in these BoG Quizzes,
I usually give out bonus questions, sometimes about the BoG itself, so where are the bonus questions?

Well, I'll think about adding just one bonus question,
a real monster of a puzzler, worth maybe 10 points,
tomorrow evening... heheheh.
:rofl:

cebuboy
10-15-2007, 08:04
4. the beretta is the model 950.

cebuboy
10-15-2007, 08:07
3. its october 30 2008.

New_comer
10-15-2007, 10:43
3. Until when does the Current Amnesty for Loose Firearms run? (4 points)
Here's how EO 585 is written which btw was promulgated December 11, 2006:
SECTION 1. Any natural and juridical person who possess loose firearms may surrender the same to the Philippine National Police for custody and apply for the corresponding license as required by existing laws within one (1) year from the effectivity of this Order, excluding the election period (January 14, 2007 to June 13, 2007), which was declared by the COMELEC pursuant to COMELEC Resolution 7707. Concerned holders of said firearms may avail of this amnesty only within the period. Each firearm submitted for licensing shall have its own distinct firearm description.
So if it's a year without the election ban, the order should have expired December 10, 2007 (counting promulgation date as day 1). But since there is a 151-day exclusion due to the May 2007 elections, that should still be added. So total days elapsed should be 364 + 151 = 515 days after promulgation date of December 11, 2006.

That day falls on Friday, May 9, 2008!

Am I right?

horge
10-15-2007, 15:18
:)

Newsflash, BoGs: EO 585 is no longer current!

Taurus
10-16-2007, 01:06
Re No. 5: I think I've seen that AK47-ish rifle last night in Firefly, used by one of the Baldwins. If I recall correctly, Horge mentioned that he liked the series Firefly. Or was it someone else?

cznayr
10-16-2007, 01:23
5. Eraser: Rail gun

cznayr
10-16-2007, 01:38
10. Ballistite and Poudre B.

cznayr
10-16-2007, 02:00
3. EO 585-A Signed 28 August 2007. extends the gun ban by one year after publication of the EO in a nationwide daily.

New_comer
10-16-2007, 02:29
Originally posted by horge
:)

Newsflash, BoGs: EO 585 is no longer current!

Originally posted by cznayr

3. EO 585-A Signed 28 August 2007. extends the gun ban by one year after publication of the EO in a nationwide daily.

True.

The order went like this:
Firearms amnesty extended; fees hiked
By Jaime Pilapil
Manila Standard, September 4, 2007

The National Police yesterday announced that President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo has signed Executive Order 585-A, which extends the nationwide gun amnesty by one year starting this month. The order also increased the fee for the registration of loose firearms (high-powered and low-powered) at P5,000 and P3,000, respectively.

The President last Aug. 28 signed the order, which takes effect 15 days after its publication in a newspaper of national circulation, police said.

So that would be 15 days after September 4, 2007 plus 366 days(leap year kasi next year!)

Huling tawad: Friday, September 19, 2008

Kung 365 days, Thursday, September 18, 2008! :supergrin:

CatsMeow
10-16-2007, 02:39
Originally posted by cznayr
5. Eraser: Rail gun

Nope. The rail gun in Eraser is much longer and had a foregrip, and a wide muzzle brake, plus a fantasy thermal optical sight that could see through walls and through bodies!

Anyway for No. 10: Hercules and Bullseye. Beats me why they're called that way, but I guess the latter was intended for target shooting.

New_comer
10-16-2007, 02:55
10. Name the three earliest smokeless powders for firearms,

1. In 1886, a French chemist, Paul Vieille invented the first smokeless powder, called Poudre B (Poudre Blanche = white powder)
2. Alfred Nobel patented Ballistite in 1887 whilst he was living in Paris. It was composed of 10% camphor and equal parts of nitroglycerin and collodion.
3. As mentioned na earlier, Cordite. "Abel and Sir James Dewar, who was also on the committee, developed and jointly patented in 1889 a new propellant consisting of 58% nitroglycerin, by weight, 37% guncotton and 5% vaseline.

Using acetone as a solvent, it was extruded as spaghetti-like rods initially called "cord powder" or "the Committee's modification of Ballistite" but this was swiftly abbreviated to "Cordite"."

So ang Ballistite at Cordite, mag-kapatid pala. :supergrin:

CatsMeow
10-16-2007, 03:06
Anybody answered No. 2 correctly? I'd really love to know the connection between Rizal's innamorata and a cartridge.

Sigourney Weaver, aka Leftenant Ripley, (that's how the British-tongued characters pronounced it)observes Rule No. 3! :thumbsup:

New_comer
10-16-2007, 03:15
9. What is a stem bind?(2 points)

"Stem bind is usually the culprit in a failure to return to battery. Actually, that's misleading, since a little stem-bind is always present in the 1911. That's what slows the slide as it goes to battery and prevents damage to the lower barrel lug and slidestop crosspin, and gives the round time to get under the extractor. Excessive stem bind is more accurate...or what is technically known as the "Three-Point Jam"... binding between the breechface, the barrel throat, and the underside of the barrel chamber." - m1911.org

New_comer
10-16-2007, 03:20
4. Identify the following five handguns, from their profile images I believe thats a Glock 17L (long slide) The G34 would be a bit shorter.

http://i20.tinypic.com/9qjzow.jpg

http://www.remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/17l/17l.gif

CatsMeow
10-16-2007, 03:34
Yeah my bad. Brain addled by work at that time. Also left my Jane's Guns Recognition Guide at home.:supergrin:

With respect to said book, I hope Mr. Ian V. Hogg has corrected some of its errors, for example, a SIG P226's mag release is NOT at the heel of the butt.

New_comer
10-16-2007, 07:39
2. What firearm cartridge is associated with Rizal's inamorata, Josephine Bracken?(3 points) She helped the revolution after Rizal's death, helping operate a reloading jig for spent Mauser cartridges under General Pantaleon Garcia in Imus and thn in Maragondon. If the KKK were using the Mauser 92 then, Josephine would be very much acquainted with the "8 mm Mauser" or 7.92 x 57 I round, the standard of the Spanish forces at around that time.

-source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Rizal

New_comer
10-16-2007, 07:53
8. What law prevents Twin Pines Inc. from openly selling its select-fire M14's and AK47's, to non-LEO's and non-military citizens of the Philippines?
(3 points)
EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 171, SECTION 2. "As a general rule high-powered rifles and paltik firearms may not be allowed for licensing. However, the Chief, PNP may allow the licensing of some high-powered firearms..."

authored by prez GMA October 19, 2003

horge
10-16-2007, 09:06
New_comer, cznayr and Taurus score!
Taurus got half of what's left of #5
cznayr got half of what's left of #10, and gets half of #3 as well!
New_comer got the other half of what's left of #10, along with the leftovers of #3, all of #9 and #2.


Scores:
zorkd - 10 points
New_comer - 8 1/2 points
cebuboy - 4 points
czryan - 3 points
CatsMeow - 2 points
Allegra - 1/2 point
Taurus - 1/2 point
:)


2. What firearm cartridge is associated with Rizal's inamorata, Josephine Bracken?(3 points)
http://i20.tinypic.com/9uapm1.jpg
Carminia Gutierrez portrayed Josephine Bracken in
the 1998 movie José Rizal

New_comer got this one.
On the outbreak of revolution against Spain, a still-grieving Josephine Bracken
assisted Filipino patriots in Cavite by helping operate a reloading jig,
using locally-mixed propellant, to supply the Mauser 92 rifles in the
possession of the Revolutionary Army (the very same type of rifle used to
execute her husband José Rizal). After the revolution failed, and its leaders
agreed to self-exile (in exchange for cash), this unsung hero of the Revolution
left the country and remarried, but the cruel sorrows of her life were not yet spent.

She died in 1902, alone, of tuberculosis.
Buried in an unmarked grave, she never knew, although Rizal's masterpiece farewell poem
Mi Ultimo Adios was first published in 1897, that her beloved
Rizal had immortalized her, as "mi dulce extranjera, mi amiga, mi alegría".


3. Until when does the Current Amnesty for Loose Firearms run? (4 points)
cznayr gave the basic answer, but New_comer gave the actual target date! 2 points to each!
The current Amnesty, specified by Executive Order No. 585 (11 December 2006)
was to run until 11 Dec 2007, excluding this year's election-related gun-ban from
January 14 to June 13. However, the recently issued Executive Order No. 585-A
(28 August 2007) extends the amnesty period, apparently to mid-September of 2008, excluding the
latest gun ban linked to the Sangguniang Kabataan and Barangay elections. The recent
E.O. also raises the fees charged in Amnesty applications.
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=politics6_sept4_2007

'Course, the nagging question is... HAS it been formally published in a
major newspaper?.
:)

5. Identify the following movie/TV firearms, from the images provided:
Taurus got the name of the show, 'Firefly' for half a point!
What's left is to name this oft-modified favorite weapon
of Adam Baldwin's (not really "one of the Baldwins", heheh)
character 'Jayne Cobb'!

9. What is a stem bind?(2 points)
New_comer nabbed this one.
Very strange nomenclature for a severe pistol failure is what it is...
Affecting locking breech pistols, here's how it ruins the day, and possibly worse:
the cartridge enters the chamber at an angle, and drags on the top of the barrel throat at
the corner. The barrel rises too early or too abruptly while the slide is pushing on the rear
of the round, increasing the angle that the cartridge has to overcome in order to get up and
over to the chamber. The bullet ogive strikes the chamber roof, causing a bind at three points:
-on the side of the case, just below the mouth
-at the bullet ogive
-and at the breechface.
hence the other (far more scrutable) term for this situation: a three point jam.
Excessive extractor tension can contribute to the problem, but isn't a cause by itself.
The "stem" is the cartridge itself that's in a bind at these three points. A telltale sign
of a stem bind is a small, crescent-shaped mark about 1/8th inch long and about 1/8th inch
below the case mouth. It can be a light mark...not much more than a scrape...or it can be
fairly deep, like a small gouge and well-defined, depending on how hard the bind is. Some
can actually deform the case. Most just leave a light mark. Breaking the corner at the top
of the barrel throat doesn't usually cure a hard stem bind. It just "softens" the mark.
Stem-bind-related failure to get into battery is possibly the single most frequent motive
for disastrous, remedial overthroating of barrels.


10. Name the two other, earliest smokeless powders for firearms,
aside from Cordite, and WHY they're named whatever they're named.
(1 point each, for 2 total)
czryan and New-comer split the points on this:
Poudre B - short for poudre blanc, or white powder. Developed in 1886
by Frenchman Paul Vieille, who successfully marketed it to the French Navy.
It was formed as a paste, and rolled into sheets that were then flaked.
The Lebel rifle was developed to exploit the new propellant.

Ballistite - named after its intended application, ballistic projectiles.
Developed in 1887 by Alfred Nobel (of dynamite and of Nobel Prize fame),
just too late to get the French navy contract. Nobel hawked it instead to
the enthusiastic Italians, and France kicked him out for it.
The M1890 Vetterli rifle was developed to exploit this new propellant.




Nice going!
Keep trying, guys!! :)
3 questions are still live (some partially chipped)
and there's the Bonus Question below:


4. Identify the following five handguns, from their profile images (1/2 point)
http://i20.tinypic.com/9qjzow.jpg
Just the one in the upper left remaining!

5. Identify the following movie/TV firearms, from the images provided:(1/2 point)
http://i21.tinypic.com/33wvb7p.jpg
you have to name this firearm!

8. What law prevents Twin Pines Inc. from openly selling its select-fire M14's and AK47's,
to non-LEO's and non-military citizens of the Philippines?(3 points)
Not P.D. 1866, nor R.A. 8294 which amended the former.
E.O. 171 has lapsed, along with the Amnesty it prescribed.
Keep trying!

Bonus question:
Which BoG member 'nearly' shot another BoG member in public,
in front of nearly a dozen witnesses, and why?
(10 points)
(3 points for ID of the would've-been shooter
3 points for ID of the would've-been victim
3 points for WHY.
1 point for the firearm involved.)

New_comer
10-16-2007, 10:21
5. Identify the following movie/TV firearms, from the images provided:(1/2 point) Jason Cobb's "Jayne's" very favourite gun a "Callahan fullbore autolock" named VERA :supergrin:

New_comer
10-16-2007, 10:38
8. What law prevents Twin Pines Inc. from openly selling its select-fire M14's and AK47's,
to non-LEO's and non-military citizens of the Philippines?(3 points)
Not P.D. 1866, nor R.A. 8294 which amended the former.
E.O. 171 has lapsed, along with the Amnesty it prescribed.
Keep trying!
Silly me...

Of course it's EO 585-A. Same Section 2 din, word for word! :supergrin:

horge
10-16-2007, 16:56
By process of elimination ba?...:rofl:

New_comer pads his score!
NC finally killed off #5, and got enough of #3"


Scores:

New_comer - 11 points
zorkd - 10 points
cebuboy - 4 points
czryan - 3 points
CatsMeow - 2 points
Allegra - 1/2 point
Taurus - 1/2 point
:)



5. Identify the following movie/TV firearms, from the images provided:
Taurus earlier got the name of the show, 'Firefly' for half the point!
New_comer finally named the weapon itself:
Callahan Full-Bore Auto Lock
http://i21.tinypic.com/33wvb7p.jpg
From Joss Whedon's short-lived TV series "Firefly", the Callahan full-bore autolock
is the make and model of character Jayne Cobb's treasured and frequently customized
assault weapon, with a customized hair-trigger and double-cartridge thorough gauge.
Though it's not obvious, this would seem to indicate that the weapon can dynamically
switch bore sizes depending on the size of cartridge the user desires.
Jayne named the weapon "Vera".

8. What law prevents Twin Pines Inc. from openly selling its select-fire M14's and AK47's,
to non-LEO's and non-military citizens of the Philippines?
(3 points)
New_comer shot a little past the mark, but got enough of the target
to get 2 out of 3 points.

The closest thing to a law with that effect is a clause in Section 2 of Executive Order No. 585 (s'2006),
as extended by E.O. No. 585-A (2007), that rules out any amnesty licensing for
high powered loose firearms (which by the PNP-FED's definition includes all select fire guns):

"(E.O.585)
SECTION 2. As a general rule, high-powered rifles/paItik firearms
may not be allowed for licensing, however, the Chief, PNP may allow
the licensing of some high-powered firearms. Those who will
surrender the same will not be prosecuted for illegal possession of
firearm while in the act of surrendering the said firearms."

The reason for the restriction seems to have been criminals abusing the amnesty
to buy NEW high powered firearms, which are then passed on to pseudo-Muslim terrorists
and Communist crime rings. The PNP-FED is operating within its legal discretion,
and (see above) allows HPR amnesty licensing on a case-to-case basis.

Of course, one wonders how newly-purchased HPR's can morally qualify for an "amnesty";
and, if HPR licensing is up to the PNP Chief's discretion anyway, even when no amnesty is in effect,
why HPR's "can only be licensed during an amnesty".



Nice going!
Keep trying, guys!! :)
Just 1 question is still live (in a fragmentary sense)
and there's the Bonus Question below:
I'll close this Quiz out on Friday, and post all the answers
(and mail out the prize shortly thence)

4. Identify the handgun at upper left from its profile image (1 point)
http://i20.tinypic.com/9qjzow.jpg
It's a Beretta alright, but what model?
(It's lower-powered than a .32, and even weaker than a .25)

Bonus question:
Which BoG member 'nearly' shot another BoG member in public,
in front of nearly a dozen witnesses, and why?
(10 points)
(3 points for ID of the would've-been shooter
3 points for ID of the would've-been victim
3 points for WHY.
1 point for the firearm involved.)

New_comer
10-16-2007, 18:09
[QUOTE]4. Identify the handgun at upper left from its profile image (1 point)

It's a Beretta alright, but what model?
(It's lower-powered than a .32, and even weaker than a .25)QUOTE]

It's the Beretta JETFIRE 950 25ACP. The Bobcat 22lr does not have the solid trigger as shown in the question.http://www.beretta.com/dati/ImmaginiProdottiBeretta/2/98_elenco.jpg Bobcat 22lr

horge
10-16-2007, 18:10
Nope!

And the solid trigger is indeed an important clue
to identifying this obscure little Beretta
:)

CatsMeow
10-16-2007, 19:21
It's a Beretta M950 .22 Short! I should know, I actually saw one fired! At a stray cat, but he missed.:supergrin:

zorkd
10-16-2007, 20:33
#4 last unidentified pistol, a beretta jetfire but in the less common variant of .22 lr

horge
10-17-2007, 03:33
Yes, CatsMeow!
It is indeed an M950-pattern in .22 short.
Of course, it was better known back then, not as
the M950 .22 corto, but as the Beretta 950B Minx. :)
In .25 Auto, it was better known as the Beretta 950B Jetfire.


New Scores:

New_comer - 11 points
zorkd - 10 points
cebuboy - 4 points
CatsMeow - 3 points
czryan - 3 points
Allegra - 1/2 point
Taurus - 1/2 point


So, all that remains is the Bonus Question ;)

batangueno
10-17-2007, 07:15
Bonus question:
Which BoG member 'nearly' shot another BoG member in public,
in front of nearly a dozen witnesses, and why?

horge :supergrin:

In PBD range, when trying to show your 1911 or bersa to doc alvin. Can't remember the other details anymore.:supergrin:

horge
10-18-2007, 06:02
And batangueño joins the scorecard!

New_comer - 11 points
zorkd - 10 points
batangueño - 7 points
cebuboy - 4 points
CatsMeow - 3 points
czryan - 3 points
Allegra - 1/2 point
Taurus - 1/2 point


Yes, I nearly shot Eyecutter. (that's 3+3 points right there)
Yes, it was with my Bersa Thunder 380, at P.B.Dionisio range in Q.C. (1 point)

The 'why' of it all is important, and worth 3 points.
That means zorkd can still overtake New_comer
for the prize. Everybody else is now out of the running,
and you can all blame Paul!

I'll spill the beans, and the remaining 3 points therewith,
tomorrow, as scheduled, hehe. Winner PM's me a mailing addy
so I can send the prize via door-to-door delivery.
I'd appreciate it if the winner posts here to let us know
of proper delivery!

horge

batangueno
10-19-2007, 06:33
The 'why' of it all is important, and worth 3 points.
That means zorkd can still overtake New_comer
for the prize. Everybody else is now out of the running,
and you can all blame Paul!

hahaha...ngayon nga lang nakatama sa quiz mo eh. :)

horge
10-19-2007, 06:50
Hey Paul!

I'll make it official now.
New_comer wins with a top score of 11 points.
New_comer, PM me a mailing address I can door-to-door the Lansky
pocket sharpener to. :)



----
Years ago...
I nearly shot EyeCutter when he asked to see my Bersa Thunder 380,
in particular its wooden gripstocks, which I'd handcarved. I was dead tired
but so eager to show him how nice it looked, with the contrast between the
light wood and the black magazine-floorplate, so I rapid-slapped in a
loaded mag. Unfortunately some unwanted muscle memory kicked in
and I racked the slide:

I thus had a hot weapon right there, with EyeCutter seated just across the
table from me. Doc was too nice to chew me out right there and then,
but I knew what had happened. He knew it. Everyone knew it.

Sure, the manual safety was still on.
Sure, my finger was off the trigger.
But I had made my weapon hot when I had no intention to.

I cleared and safed the weapon pronto.
I didn't have the integrity to own up to the serious error right then and there, no....
I tried to cover it up, and it was only when I got home that I admitted it online,
posting it here on BoG.

....so, the reason I nearly shot EyeCutter (worth 3 points)
is in a word, carelessness.

--------------

New_comer
10-19-2007, 23:29
Hey Paul!

I'll make it official now.
New_comer wins with a top score of 11 points.
New_comer, PM me a mailing address I can door-to-door the Lansky
pocket sharpener to. :)


Fantastic! Mailing address coming up... :woohoo: ;)

horge
10-20-2007, 00:04
:)

Thanks for the addy.
It being a weekend, I'll take care of it this Monday or Tuesday.
Keep in mind I'll be sending it to "Mr. Newcomer", so advise
everyone at the address not to reject it for that reason! Hahaha.
I'll likely be using LBC door-to-door, next-day delivery.

Post to this thread when you get it, err... that you got it. :)

zorkd
10-23-2007, 03:45
well played.

horge
10-24-2007, 16:42
There's always the next BoGQuiz, Zorkd! :)

And, Nuke, I broke m'word m'afraid.
Only sent the sharpener out via Air21 yesterday afternoon.
http://i22.tinypic.com/2m6wt1f.jpg

You should be getting it anytime today.
Post here to confirm receipt, ey? :)

Thanks to all who participated, and I hope to entertain you again
in a couple of weeks.

h.

New_comer
10-24-2007, 17:11
No problemo!

Looking forward to your next quiz... ;)