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9mm Lover
10-22-2007, 14:38
Polymer, metal? What brand? black, gray?
I have a bunch of mags from different manufacturers but can't say any particular one has been trouble free. However I'd like to stock up on 30 rounders although I already have quite a few of them. Right now I'm trying to determine what particular brand to go with. Let's hear your experiences with different brands. Thanks.
Marine8541
10-22-2007, 15:31
I have never had a problem with C products aluminium or steel.
http://www.cproductsllc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=cp&Category_Code=MAG
I have never had an issue with my Magpul P-Mags. I have had all 3 generations and they have all worked fine.
MrMurphy
10-22-2007, 15:36
Plain old USGI.
Okay Industries and Adventure Line making up most of our armory's stock without any real problems. Got some new ones in that don't have a maker's mark anywhere I can find too.
G21forME
10-22-2007, 15:46
Bushmaster and brownells, never had a single problem with either. I just picked up 3 of the latest p-mags to try out, what i like about those is they come with a dust cover.
G21forME, Which Bushmaster mags? D&H used to make their mags but now CProducts does.
Anyway, I really like my D&H 30rd teflon mags, never an issue with them. I also like my NHMTG 20rd straight mags, never an issue with those either, all stock springs (SS) and followers, green in the 30s and black in the 20s.
Try 44mag.com, I've ordered lots of mags from them and they've been great.
01coltcolt
10-22-2007, 15:55
Okay Inc. they make the following NHMTG, Okay inc, Contract for SIG, Contract for Colt, Parsons, and adventure line.;););)
Then their is always the best HK.................
Get the 10 pack of D&H mags from Bravo Co. for $109 or the 100 pack for $999!
The D&H from Bravo CO are great mags and so are the Okay Ind.
AK_Stick
10-22-2007, 19:40
I've got a couple of Colt's a couple of Bushmaster's, 10-15 USGI, 5-8 D&H, a Mag pull, and 3 H&K's, and they all work the same.
The H&K's are my least favorite, because they're expensive, and dont realy do anything the others don't except not fit in some mag pouches, but mine were free, so I won't complain
SinCityGlocker
10-22-2007, 20:42
HK, HK, and HK. These are by far the best AR mags I have ever seen. All mine are stamped LE only, but I have purchased them all over the place. They run almost 60 bucks a piece, but they are the best AR mag you will ever find. I don't know why AK Stick wasn't impressed, but I am. The follower stays level in any situation. the followers in my colt mags dive at the front if you push on the fron of the follower, then stick till you whack the mag on something. The colts are the worst I've seen. The bushmasters are vry high quality and I like them pretty well.
Branspop
10-22-2007, 21:26
Brownells...
cactusman
10-23-2007, 00:13
D&H 30-round mags with Magpul followers
NHMTG 20-round straight mags
I have old Colt 20rd mags, old USGI 30 rd mags, and C-Products new mags, all seem to work very well with my gun.
9mm Lover
10-23-2007, 02:33
So far C Products, Okay, D&H seem to be most popular ones. I had problems with Pmags (1st Generation I'd assume) that I bought as soon as they came out. I recently bought new ones that are probably "2nd or 3rd" generation but did not have a chance to use them yet.
I have Colt 20 rounders and they are OK too. But my main focus is 30 rounders.
HKs are a lot of money but I will keep an eye out for a good deal on them.
Rinspeed
10-23-2007, 05:13
Plain old USGI.
Okay Industries and Adventure Line making up most of our armory's stock without any real problems. Got some new ones in that don't have a maker's mark anywhere I can find too.
Both of these have woked 100% for me. I don't see paying more when there are so many USGI mags out there.
C-products due to price, reliability and durability. I think the HK mags are a waste of money and I made sure I didn't have any in my kit. I don't know if it was a bad batch or what, but I got 10 brand new HK mags and they jammed like crazy while attempting to shoot full auto out of Bushmasters. C-products, Kay Industries and the Bushmaster mags had no problem, so I know it wasn't the weapon.
$60.00 for AR mags ? Whew. Dude, my $12.00 C-Products mags are 100% reliable. What does a $60.00 mag do more than that ?
Marine8541
10-23-2007, 09:15
$60.00 for AR mags ? Whew. Dude, my $12.00 C-Products mags are 100% reliable. What does a $60.00 mag do more than that ?
Not a thing. Like Stick I liked the HK mags but for the cost no way. A CP mag does everything a HK mag will do.
Like everything HK their mags are made from unobtainium. Hk only wants to sell its products to the govenment at govenment prices. The magazine ban is over for everyone but HK. Someone tell me why an Hk mag is 6x more than a USGI mags, could it be greed?
I have owned as many as 6 Hk's at one time but I've gotten tired of Hk's attitude and now only own one.
If you think a $60 mag is a good deal in a no-ban world I have some great toilet paper, it's only $20 a roll.
Like everything HK their mags are made from unobtainium. Hk only wants to sell its products to the govenment at govenment prices. The magazine ban is over for everyone but HK. Someone tell me why an Hk mag is 6x more than a USGI mags, could it be greed?
I have owned as many as 6 Hk's at one time but I've gotten tired of Hk's attitude and now only own one.
If you think a $60 mag is a good deal in a no-ban world I have some great toilet paper, it's only $20 a roll.
Link: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...d-we-hate-you/
HK- because you suck. And we hate you.
An open letter to the gun community from HK’s marketing department: In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards…
But it doesn’t matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks… If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you.
At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civilians. Because you suck, and we hate you.
Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesn’t fit any accessories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isn’t it? Yeah, you know you want one.
And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans don’t need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus we’ve fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you don’t believe us, it is because you aren’t a real operator.
By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because you’re civilians, so we won’t sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you’ll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you’ll come back, you always do.
Buy our stuff.
Sincerely
HK Marketing DepartmentHK. Because you suck. And we hate you.
I don’t know if you can tell, but I’m not the biggest fan of H und K. I posted that letter on THR a long time ago as a joke, but it sure did manage to tick a lot of people off. Ironically, the tag line, HK. Because you suck. And we hate you, has been popping up in various places ever since.
Sure, they’re decently reliable, decently accurate guns, but they’re massively overpriced and overrated by legions of fan boys. One of the most frustrating things about dealing with gun people on the interweb is that folks tend to pick a brand, and then base some of their self-esteem on that brand. Kind of like rabid sports fans who feel the need to burn cars if their team wins, or loses, or they just felt like burning stuff. Say something negative about that team to one of those rabid fans, and you’re probably going to get beat up. Likewise, if you say anything negative about the Teutonic superiority of HK, people get mad at you.
Well, I love hate mail, so here goes.
For each of their wunder guns, you can get something else that costs a lot less, and works better, and has ergonomics designed by people that actually shoot. HK came about when some Nazis fled to Spain and built the Cetme. But Cetme doesn’t sound very tough, does it? So they went back to Germany and became H and K, and if you call it H and K, fan boys will get mad, and insist that it is HK, because manly Teutonic operators and Navy SEALs don’t have time to say the word And. So HK rose to prominence by building the G3, which is what the Germans call the Cetme.
Now the G3 is a decent rifle. It is a cheap, stamped sheet metal, battle rifle. It has terrible ergonomics, with a hard to use safety, (and this is coming from a guy with gorilla hands), and difficult to use charging handle. It is reliable, because of the roller locking bolt that destroys your brass, and recoils worse than other competing .308 rifles. The FAL smokes the G3, and the only reason the G3 exists is because the Germans were too proud to pay royalties to those uppity Belgians.
The G3 can be really accurate, if you weld a bunch of metal to the sides of it, stick on a nice barrel, and jack the price up $10,000. And no, that’s not a typo. The PSG1 is absurdly priced, and the cheaper version, the MSG90 is proof that if make anything absurdly heavy enough, it can be accurate.
There is a collapsible stock available, which is awesome, if you like getting hit in the face with a piece of rebar, which is what their $400 stock feels like when you shoot it. Germans must be tougher than we are or something.
Other stamped, sheet metal guns exist, but HK fan boys mock those as commie garbage. See, if you build a cheap gun, but it is from Germany, then it is superior, but if you build a stamped gun in the eastern block (a hundred miles from Germany) then it is commie garbage.
But what brought HK to international fame and the cover of Dick Marcinko books (for example, Rogue Force Delta Green Team 7 Ninja Force Alpha II: The beginning) was the G3s little brother, the MP5. Take a G3, shrink it, and chamber it in 9mm. At the time, CQB doctrine was to use 9mm subguns. Now the MP5 is a neat little gun. I have two. They work well, and if compared to the other subguns of the day, like the Uzi or the Mac, then the MP5 was a lot easier to use, easier to hit with, and was decently reliable.
The MP5 became famous when the SAS used them to kick the living hell out of some bad guys at the Iranian embassy. This was marketing gold, and HK rode the wave. Pretty soon everybody wanted an MP5. It was what all the cool kids were using. Soon every video game and action movie was filled with HK stuff. HK may have overrated guns, but they’ve got the best marketing department in the gun business, and they milked that fee cow until it was dry.
But the MP5 isn’t as great as people make them out to be. They still malfunction. (if you’re favorite gun hasn’t malfed, you haven’t shot it enough). The mags are hard to insert on a closed bolt. Safety still sucks. Most versions don’t have a bolt hold open. Honestly, if I had to get into a gunfight with a subgun, then I would rather have my PPsH.
HK long guns were mostly unobtainable to US civilians, primarily because HK hates the civilian market. If you don’t believe me, go talk to them at SHOT show, and watch them sneer at regular people. They can’t help themselves. But like all unobtainable things, like Ferraris, and super models, regular folks start to imagine these unobtainable things as perfection, when really they’re just an expensive car that spends most of its time in the shop, or a chick with mental problems and Bulimia. That’s what happened with HK. Their products took on this aura of coolness amongst the fans, that just isn’t real.
For example, go to any thread on the internet where somebody brings up “What is the Best Rifle EVAR!” and there is a poll. On the poll will be some HK long guns that 99.85% of the gun owning public has never seen, let alone shot, but those guns will have the most votes, because the HK marketing department told you how awesome they are.
Read up about the XM8 on most gun boards. According to the interweb, the XM8 is the finest combat implement of all time. In actuality it is a plastic AR18, that tends to melt, break, and is universally loathed by the Army staff that had to test it. It takes bizarre attachments, so no US accessories will work. They took the G36, which is basically a blah rifle, used by a handful of countries that don’t ever actually shoot people, and uglied it up so that it looks like the demented lovechild of Bloaty the Pizza Hog and a Super-Soaker.
Or the HK416. According to the internet, the HK416 is the best gun EVER! It is called THE AWESOME. Lightning bolts of coolness fly from the gun and smite your enemies with Teutonic fury! However you can’t have one, because you’re a civilian, ergo, you suck. And HK hates you.
The 416 is basically an AR with a gas piston, which has been done by like ten companies now, but somehow the HK is better, because it was on Future Weapons, and HK won’t sell it to civilians. In fact, a couple of 416s slipped out into civilian hands, and HK freaked out about it. There is no legal reason that 416 uppers can’t be sold, but HK despises regular people, and the idea of you having their long guns offends them.
You can get civilian HK long guns, once in a while, when HK feels like it, but they’re usually hyper-neutered and over priced. Hell, the last ones were actually grey, because you know, black is too dangerous, or something.
HK’s new subgun is the UMP. They tend to break. One of our local PDs traded all of theirs in after they broke all the stocks. Cool idea, because everybody loves .45, but bad execution.
HK’s flagship pistols, the USP line, are decent polymer handguns. They are extremely reliable, that is the plus side. On the down side, their triggers universally suck, but they don’t have to. HK likes to use a square peg in a round hole, (literally) that makes the trigger pull a lot heavier and grittier than it needs to be. Why? Beats the heck out of me. The USP series should be reliable, they’re enormous.
The most annoying thing about the HK pistols is how they cost almost twice as much as every other polymer handgun on the market. Somehow being made in Germany means the USP series is worth $800-$1000, when all of the polymer guns made within a thousand miles are $400-$600. Only most of those guns tend to have better triggers, are just as reliable, and are usually more accurate.
Then there is the Mk23. Which is huge, accurate, reliable, (which it damn well better be, since it is the size and weight of a Mini-14) costs as much as a used car, huge, and is universally despised by the SF that it is issued to. Talk to anyone that is in an SF unit. The Mk23s they’ve been issued sit unused in arms room. Did I mention that it is HUGE? But that’s okay, because the HK fan boys will explain that it is an OFFENSIVE handgun. (scratches head) whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.
They are reliable, but so is a $125 Makarov. Only the Mak has a better trigger.
I have two guys that I work with that have been to the HK armorer’s school. If you think I’m biased, you should talk to them. They especially love working with the Germans. One fellow was yelled at because he had two magazines clamped together on his MP5, because “NEIN! That is not the H und K way!” Even though he had bought the mag clamp from HK. When you ask why the original MP5 doesn’t have a last shot bolt hold open, they’ll yell at you and say, “NEIN! Why would you want your enemy to know your gun is empty!” Hell, Hans, I just want to know when my gun is empty!
One friend of mine took his personal MP5, and cut an extra notch into the collapsible stock, so it would be shorter for when he was wearing his armor, and also it removed the nasty wobble that all HK collapsible stocks have. It is an easy fix, and a no-brainer that the HK should have been doing for years. Fritz at the armorer’s school damn near had an aneurism when he saw this blasphemy against his ineffectual German gods.
Look, gun owning public, just because you saw it on Future Weapons, or read about it on the internet, doesn’t make it true. For the love of John Moses Browning, before you formulate super strong opinions about a weapon, you should have at least shot the damn thing first.
Do I have anything positive to say about HK? Yes, the sneer of disdain they give you at SHOT is priceless and entertaining
PlasticGuy
10-23-2007, 10:18
I've got well over 100 mags (I've got one of those huge plastic/rubber bins full). I've purchased them all over the place, and my only requirement for buying them is that they are military issue somewhere. I've honestly had good luck with almost all of them, though some are better than others.
My 20 rounders are almost all Colt/Okay Industries, and they work well in almost everything I've tried them in. The only problem I've had with them is that rounds want to nosedive in one of my AR's and one of my Daewoo's. These two rifles work with every 30 rounder I own, so I don't think it's a rifle issue. I know that 20 rounders are supposed to be mythical in their reliability, but I've had two rifles that didn't like them at all. I haven't tried any of the newer 20 rounders with anti-tilt followers, so I don't know if that would solve the problem or not. I would assume so, but I haven't tried yet.
The majority of my 30 rounders are stamped "NHMTG", and have worked very well for me. I had one stepped on in a class, and it was bent too severely to work anymore. Other than that, I've never had a serious problem with one that couldn't be traced back to the gun it was in. I have an assortment of several other 30 rounders, stamped with dates from last year all the way back to the mid 1980's, and most have been good. I have one Colt mag with a very old black follower that will only work in one of my AR's and my Sig 556.
I've tried the P-Mags, and had a chance to use one for an hour or so when I was at Thunder Ranch this summer. It worked fine. It wasn't as smooth as the HK's, but it was pretty smooth. The two shooters to my left were using them for most of the class, and they didn't have any malfunctions with them at all. The only thing that worries me about them is how much their feed lips and mag catch cut-out will wear over time. The only way to know durability is to test them hard for a few years, and they aren't a few years old yet. I'd label them as having potential, but I'm going to wait another couple of years before I give them my endorsement.
The best, in my opinion, is the HK. Yes, I know they're $60. No, I don't like paying $60 for an AR-15 magazine. I know that if someone other than HK was making them they would be $40 instead of $60. However, no one else is making them so you either pay the money or don't. I paid the money, but only for one load-out (10 mags). They are stronger mags, feed smoother, load easier, and the follower is even more anti-tilt than the Magpul followers. I won't buy 100 of them, but the 10 I have are the first mags I'll reach for in a crisis. While some of my AR's and other 5.56 combat rifles have a particular brand/capacity/ammo that they won't work 100% with, so far all of them have properly fed every type of ammo out of my HK mags. I also suspect that when I put a boot onto one of them in the heat of action, it will be much more likely to survive than the Okay mag I stomped to death last year.
I'm not a huge fan of HK. I hate their attitude and business practices, and I think other companies are making better rifles for less money right now. However, the HK mags I own have been more reliable than anything else I've ever used.
RMTactical
10-23-2007, 19:06
I like USGI mags. They work well for me. D&H are essentially the same as LaBelle. USGI spec with a teflon coating. And with the prices, they are hard to beat.
Try bravocompanyusa.com
Glockdude1
10-23-2007, 20:03
USGI, Bushmaster, Brownells, (20 & 30rd'ers), Thermold and Okay mags make up the collection I have. All have never given me any problems.
9mm Lover
10-23-2007, 20:10
4 Pmags that I was having problems with are dated 03-07. According to their website "Magpul will replace all PMAGs™ dated 6/07 and earlier". So we'll see when the new bodies arrive. The ones that I bought recently are dated 8-07. I hope they'll be alright.
klmmicro
10-23-2007, 20:28
Another for Brownells. I had to rebuild my mags and went with the grey bodies. They are holding up well and reliability has been 100% with green followers.
Nastynewt
10-23-2007, 20:51
i only have the NHMTG mags all work great and for $12 i like them even more
Branspop
10-23-2007, 21:04
Link: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...d-we-hate-you/
HK- because you suck. And we hate you.
Das war lustig
take a look and see if you can find any of the british imperial defense services 30 rounders with the green followers. they never fail, even at full auto. last ones i grabbed were out of, i believe michigan, and were still in original british wrappings, ie, new. as i recall cost was in the low $20's. mcole
Glockdude1
10-24-2007, 11:37
Has anyone bought a HK AR15/M16 mag? If so, was it worth it? Many I see for sale are always around $50 each.
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/083327000/83327234/pix834740187.jpg
RMTactical
10-24-2007, 13:18
The HK mags are not worth their price tag. You can get 3-4 nice USGI mags for the price of one HK mag.
Not to mention they are heavy as hell...
AK_Stick
10-24-2007, 19:03
And they don't fit in all mag pouches....
H&K's are great mags, but there isn't a justification for the price tag. They're not that much superior.
A D&H with a magpul follower is every bit of the magazine the H&K's are, for less than half the price, and are lighter to boot.
Zapfenstreich
10-24-2007, 20:18
Get some Magpuls. They're muy bueno.
Brownells. Cheap (even cheaper with Mil/LEO discount) and have had no issues at all with them.
I sold the few HK mags I had to buy more of them, now THAT was a great use for an HK magazine :laughing:
I have never had a problem with C products aluminium or steel.
http://www.cproductsllc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=cp&Category_Code=MAG
+1. I buy the C products aluminum bodies (with the grey dry-lube coating) bare direct from them, along with stainless steel springs and floorplates, and then build 'em the MagPul Gen-II no-tilt followers. That way, I get exactly the mags I'm looking for for around $12 a piece.
Besides C Products, I am a big fan of the MagPul PMAGs; $15 each for the standard ones and about $20 for the ones with the mag-level window so you can count your remaining rounds. I haven't had any problems with mine to date, and the snap caps on top of the feed lips are nifty.
I also have a few of those steel Imperial Defence 30-rounders. Jeez, you could run over one with a truck and not warp it! They are a little heavier and thicker than standard aluminum USGI mags, so if you try to put two in certain pouches, they can be a bit tight, but they seem very dependable. I got mine from CDNN for $13 each complere with MagPul no-tilt followers.
Glockdude1
01-21-2008, 20:20
Brownells. Cheap (even cheaper with Mil/LEO discount) and have had no issues at all with them.
I sold the few HK mags I had to buy more of them, now THAT was a great use for an HK magazine :laughing:
:wow:
I have never had a HK mag, but I have Brownells 20 & 30rd mags. Brownells mags are great.
:thumbsup:
Get the 10 pack of D&H mags from Bravo Co. for $109 or the 100 pack for $999!
I own quite a few of these mags and they all work flawlessly.
Has anyone bought a HK AR15/M16 mag? If so, was it worth it? Many I see for sale are always around $50 each.
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/083327000/83327234/pix834740187.jpg
Overpriced ripoff.
liliysdad
01-21-2008, 20:46
Without wading through the whole thread, I am a CProducts fan. That being said, any USGI mag with a Magpul follower should be good to go. I am currently testing a few of the "Asian Steel" 30rd mags that CDNN is selling.....will let you know when I know more.
Minuteman
01-21-2008, 20:49
My favorite are my Colt 20 round USGI, mags. Also Okay and Center are excellent. I would buy any USGI. I will never put a steel mag in my aluminum mag well.
Tom Krein
01-21-2008, 20:53
I have used the Brownell's mags a LOT! I have 10 of them and they have all been good, no problems.
I just got 4 of the Pmags to try out. So far impressed!!
Tom
USGI - (all mine are pre-94)
Tier 1 - Absolute #1 - Okay. LaBelle, Colt (Okay) are really good but not worth a premium.
Tier 2 - Adventureline, Parsons, FN
Tier 3 - Center, Sanchez
Most Durable - Brit steel 30's with MP followers.
Jury's still out on P-Mags.
HK can go piss up a rope, along with COLT.
HollowPoint .45
01-21-2008, 21:58
NHMTG with green followers have always been flawless for me.
Also have good luck with the 30 round AR-Stoners from MidWay. They get put on sale for $10.00 each about every 3 months. I've been throwing in a couple with every order. :supergrin:
NeverMore1701
01-21-2008, 22:20
Another here for C-Products, D&H, and Okay.
aaronrkelly
01-22-2008, 00:55
Put me down for D&H magazines, I pay the extra $2 for the Magpul followers....not necessary but makes me feel good.
I like to feel good and considering everyone elses going rate, $2 to feel good aint bad.
I'm just getting into AR-15's
All my mags are either USGI by OK Industries (usually find at Gun Shows for $10 ea) or PMAGS by Magpull (local shop has them for $14.95 ea).
Haven't had a problem with any of them yet.
P Mags have never failed me. I own 10 of them.
TheAdvocate
01-22-2008, 07:58
Link: http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...d-we-hate-you/
nice rant... i could almost feel the tinfoil hat.
+1 to CPro mags
I have 30 new C Products gray teflon mags that are 100% reliable. They are on sale again through 44mag.com for $10 each
I have several dozen Brownell 20 and 30 shot magazines with stainless steel and with chrome silicone springs.
I have five or six MagPul PMags.
I have several Brownell 30 shot magazine bodies with CMMG stainless steel followers and braided chrome silicone wire springs.
If you want a magazine with all the attributes of the H&K magazine without the overinflated price, this is the way to go.
None of these magazines have caused any problems in several cases of ammunition loaded and fired.
As much as I want to hate the PMags, the more I use them the more impressed I am becoming with them.
I was always impressed with the Brownell magazines and that opinion has not changed.
I've been getting Brownells magazines. Later I'll throw Magpul followers in them
No problems at all
Magpul P Mag, followed by USGI mags with the orange Magpul followers.
I've got all sorts of mags, from those steel English ones to an old Army issue one that I have had since the early 80's and I still use it in matches. I haven't had a problem from any of them. I did once buy a polymer mag and it never worked, so I don't buy those.
John NYPD
03-03-2008, 18:31
CProducts Aluminum 20 & 30's with magul anti-tilts --- 100%
NHMTG Aluminum 30's with magpul anti-tilts --- 100%
D&H Aluminum 20 & 30's with magpul anti-tilts --- 100%
Recently started using Polymer MAGPUL PMAG 30 --- 100%
Waiting to try out a few PMAG 20 rounders when they come out.
John
From John Farnums website:
"25 Jan 08
M-16 magazines, a perennial issue... This from a friend in the rifle manufacturing business:
"Here at the factory test-range, we shoot hundreds of thousands of rounds every year. Even well-made aluminum magazines eventually flair-out at the top. At that point, they become scrap metal!
Our preference is stainless-steel magazines! Our favorite manufacturer is C-Products (_www.cproductsllc.com_ (http://www.cproductsllc.com) ). A steel magazine will last many times longer than those made of aluminum or plastic. Indeed, most plastic magazines split at the back (near the notch for the bolt hold-open) within five-thousand rounds.
Magpul claims their new plastic magazine adequately addresses all these issues. I sincerely hope they're right!
6.8SPC magazines from C-Products are also stainless-steel, and will outlast most rifles they're used in."
Comment: Based on my friend's sage advice, and in view of the fact that it is an election year, I've laid in a good supply!
/John"
CProducts Aluminum 20 & 30's with magul anti-tilts --- 100%
NHMTG Aluminum 30's with magpul anti-tilts --- 100%
D&H Aluminum 20 & 30's with magpul anti-tilts --- 100%
Recently started using Polymer MAGPUL PMAG 30 --- 100%
Waiting to try out a few PMAG 20 rounders when they come out.
John
C Product Mags have been more problem prone than most other makers. The ones that work, work well. However, out of all the ones you listed, C Products has the most lemons.
I know they are a few dollars cheaper but IMO they are not worth it. 25 % of the C Products Mags I ordered a year ago were defective. There have been far more reports of C Product Lemons than all other makers(excluding USA and the like) I would not buy from them again.
moonshot
03-25-2008, 23:30
Don't know who actually "makes" them (I think it's C-Products), but how reliable and durable are Bushmaster's curved 20rd mags with the gray 2nd generation Magpul followers? I have a few of these, and they seem fine, but I hear they are not USGI and therefore not very good.
I also have a few straight 20rd mags, but most have the black plastic follower known to tilt. I have not found replacement followers which a) fit properly and b) still won't tilt. The replacement alloy followers I bought sit at an angle when mounted in the mags and cause the top one or two rounds to pop out if I so much as look at the mag funny. Doesn't happen with the black plastic follower.
I'm waiting for the PMASG-20's to come out. I've got a few PMAG-30's, and they seem great - no issues so far, but will they last through the long haul? The mags we buy over the next six months may be the last we get for a long, long time. They better last!
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=847723
Big Mad Dawg
03-26-2008, 05:05
D&H are my favorite mags.
I have a few different brands at home I keep them clean and maintained and the seem to work well.
I think you must have way more money than good sense if you buy H&K but then I believe that Colts are over priced for what you get too.
moonshot
03-26-2008, 17:39
Don't the D&H 20rd mags all say "LE Only" of some such nonsense on the mag bodies? I won't buy any that do.
If anyone has info on Bushmaster's curved 20rd mags, please let me know. I have six new in wrapper, and while it's a hassle, I can return them to the store for a full credit. There are plenty of other supplies I could buy with that credit. I have heard that they are not USGI. I don't know if that is true, or if that is even important.
D&H are my favorite mags.
Mine too. I especially like the Teflon Coated Mags.
Before the iron curtain fell around Maryland, and we could get magazines inside the state, I was lucky enough to have a bunch of USGI 30 rounders fall into my lap. I was asked if I could use them. "Well, yeah. Duh."
Freebies always work.
I also bought some Israeli "Orlite" magazines that have been 100% reliable.
Edited because I forgot I already posted in this thread. ;)
deMontacute
03-26-2008, 18:56
Personally, I have CProducts and NHMTG, and both have been 100%. I intend to get some PMags soon to try them out...
Glockdude1
03-26-2008, 19:04
I have never had an issue with my Magpul P-Mags. I have had all 3 generations and they have all worked fine.
:agree:
jdeere_man
03-26-2008, 20:30
Anybody recommend Stoner Mags? They're on sale for like $10 w/ magpul antitilt followers at MidwayUsa
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=219593
9mmkungfu
03-27-2008, 23:33
HK mags. And, I'm selling a few of them for 50% less than retail:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=848714
Magpul mags seem to be the best, even better than the overpriced HK mag:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UCFXcOOb4jc
magnumize
03-28-2008, 05:01
Mine are from the bargin bin at funshows.Metal+green followers+marked Colt on the bottom.......
reptiman
03-28-2008, 16:04
Don't the D&H 20rd mags all say "LE Only" of some such nonsense on the mag bodies? I won't buy any that do.
If anyone has info on Bushmaster's curved 20rd mags, please let me know. I have six new in wrapper, and while it's a hassle, I can return them to the store for a full credit. There are plenty of other supplies I could buy with that credit. I have heard that they are not USGI. I don't know if that is true, or if that is even important.
I don't have any Bushy 20 rounders but I have plenty of their 5,10 and 30 rounders and have never had any sort of problem with any of them so I personally wouldn't hesitate to rip them open and use them. Or sell to me at a decent price :cool:.
SweetG21
03-28-2008, 16:14
I have Cproducts, Pmags, D&H, Tapco, and DSA(Double Star) mags. The only one so far that ever had an issue was one of the DSA mags. One of the feed lips sat lower than the other. The right side was welded lower that the other. Caused feeding issues with 3 rounds or less.
Other than that, no problems.
aaronrkelly
03-28-2008, 16:17
D&H 30rd magazines, doesnt matter the finish.....never a failure from them.
If your the type that doesnt have to have milspec mags (like me) then Ive also never had a failure out of my PMags either.
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