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ecmills
10-24-2007, 21:19
The gun with the Dawson / Heinie combination is my IDPA gun: A G34.

The gun with the Sevigny Competition sights is my carry gun: A G19.

The gun with the Warren Tactical fiber-optic (FO) sights is a friends G34. He just bought it for IDPA use, and I installed the sights for him. While I had his slide, I went ahead and took some pictures of the 3 guns together.

More info on the Dawson/Heinie setup: http://www.gunracing.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1101241117

The Sevigny Competition set: (Good pictures here)
http://www.warrentacticalseries.com/sights.htm

The Warren Tactical set: (His website only really shows the Sevigny flavor)
http://www.warrentacticalseries.com/sights.htm


These first few pictures are taken very close to the rear notch. Just like holding the gun up against your face, the rear notch looks HUGE and the front post looks abnormally tiny, but they're good comparison pics.

IT'S TAKING ABOUT 3 MINUTES TO UPLOAD EACH PICTURE. THIS COULD TAKE A WHILE. ONE DOWN, THIRTEEN TO GO...

ecmills
10-24-2007, 21:27
Pic #2, another 'distorted' view of the three sight pictures side-by-side.

ecmills
10-24-2007, 21:35
(EDIT: Referring to the third picture, below)

This would have been a beautiful picture, but I 'missed' slightly and didn't catch it.

This is pretty much exatly what you see through the sights: I positioned the camera lens about an arm's length away from the rear sights. All 3 sets offer fairly similar sight pictures, as you can see...

OKAY. I'm done! It's been 20 minutes, and I'm still on the third picture... Uploading 'em elsewhere right now, and I'll just link the stupid things!

ecmills
10-24-2007, 21:51
Here's all of the pictures, no waiting:

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_02.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_03.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_04.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_05.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_06.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_07.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_08.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_09.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_10.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_11.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_12.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_13.jpg

http://home.off-road.com/~mithrandir/sights/3sights_14.jpg

ecmills
10-24-2007, 21:56
Oh, and here's two more of my guns from outdoors, a couple of days back...

These two pics show how critical camera distance is. The Sevignys look about right, while the Heinie/Dawson set (which has a similar amount of air on either side of the front sight) looks like the rear sight is REALLY wide.

http://home.off-road.com/%7Emithrandir/sights/3sights_15.jpg


http://home.off-road.com/%7Emithrandir/sights/3sights_16.jpg

Joe D
10-25-2007, 05:19
Dave sent me a set of his sights to try on my G34. I have never used a thin front before. The Sevigny rear notch is just too wide for me. I stuck a Heinie rear on just to see how it looked. I think I may like it better as the notch is not as wide. I will shoot it for a while then try the Sevigny rear.
OTOH I have a G35 in for a trigger job. It has a set of Dawson Precision sights that I like. The front is thin like the Sevigny, but the adjustable rear has a much more shallow rear notch. The width is the same as the Heinie rear.
In dry firing the G34 I find myself searching for the correct up and down alignment with a deep rear notch and tall thin front.
The G35, with the Dawson set, seems to align much faster.

ecmills
10-25-2007, 06:49
I've heard that complaint before, but I've never had the problem myself. Actually, I personally have the opposite problem. With a narrower rear, I spend more time getting my sight picture back than with a wide one.

My Heinie race-cut rear is opened up to the same width as the Sevigny/Warren sets. The sights pictures are extremely similar.

Honestly, I think it's mostly a matter of getting used to all the open space surrounding the front post. I was worried about it during 2 days of dryfire following my first 'race sight' installation. Then I shot them in a match and picked up quite a bit of speed. Haven't looked back.

Where'd you send your gun for the trigger job? Vanek? I thought you were the same Joe D that posted all those DIY trigger-mod tips on brianenos.com, but if you're sending your gun out, maybe not.

Joe D
10-25-2007, 08:19
Same Joe D. A fellow shooter gave me his G35 to do a trigger job on. I am going to try the Sevigny front, Heinie rear at a match Saturday. I measured the notch in the Dawson rear. It is .115" wide by .090" deep.

Ah2BFlyn
10-25-2007, 09:04
Great pictures... I'm new to this forum and Glocks, I plan on participating in IDPA. Wasn't able to purchase a new G34 in MA, so I purchased a pre-ban G17 with stock sights. Based on your pictures I'm leaning toward the Heine Race-Cut/Dawson FO. Question... if I buy from Gun Racing how much will it typically cost to do the installation?

Thanks in advance for your help.

ecmills
10-25-2007, 13:31
The Dawson/Heine set is my favorite. Highest quality, and they all have VERY similar sight pictures. That said, they run over $100 with the race-cut rear sight, to widen it up as much as the Warren & Sevigny ones.

If I were doing it again, and wanted the BEST sights, I'd go with the Dawson/Heinie set I'm currently using. But if you're stretching your budget to get any sights, the Sevignys will let you shoot just as fast for about $40 less.

You can install the sights yourself if you can round up a brass punch, some red loctite, and a vise bolted to something sturdy. Here's how I've installed 11sets of Glock sights, without a $100 sight-pusher:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9153000&postcount=7

Ah2BFlyn
10-26-2007, 08:10
Thanks for the informative response, I really appreciate it.

walrus108
10-26-2007, 14:11
Great pics!

A little off topic BUT, where do you get the cardboard target backing in the background?

proraptor
10-26-2007, 18:13
Can you measure how wide the rear cuts are and how wide the front blades are for each set please? Id appreciate it

gary newport
10-26-2007, 19:54
Great pics!

A little off topic BUT, where do you get the cardboard target backing in the background?


That's a standard IDPA cardboard target. Go on the IDPA website to find places to order them:
http://www.idpa.com/target_supply.asp

SanduneCC
10-27-2007, 00:19
ecmills,
How wide is the front of your Dawson FO? Also, does the Heine/Dawson combo shoot to POA at 15yd? 25yd? Thanks.

ecmills
10-29-2007, 12:07
Can you measure how wide the rear cuts are and how wide the front blades are for each set please? Id appreciate it
I'll do it sometime this week. Maybe tonight, if I have time.

ecmills,
How wide is the front of your Dawson FO? Also, does the Heine/Dawson combo shoot to POA at 15yd? 25yd? Thanks.
The Dawson front is .105" according to their website.

All 3 sight sets shoot perfectly to point-of-aim. The bullet lands in the center of the sight picture left-to-right, and right at the top of the front sight.

SanduneCC
10-29-2007, 12:39
Thanks bud.

sidewinder6
10-29-2007, 13:50
With all the discussion on this forum about sights, I have to say this is one of the best posts I have seen. I hope the moderators consider making this a sticky. Nice pics and thanks for the work that went into this. THIS is why we all read these boards.

sam815
10-29-2007, 15:00
ecmills,

You covered it like a true master!

carcrazysammy
10-29-2007, 18:33
This site rocks!! I have a G34 and shoot IDPA with it. The race cut Warrens are what I am looking for but I have a stupid question. How do you adjust the elevation on these sights? My factory sight is also adjusted fully right, I am looking at the picts and think the sight might drift slightly off the slide. Newbie here, thanks. Sammy

Custom Glock Racing
10-29-2007, 22:08
All 3 are very good sight sets. For me personally I would use a standard Heinie rear with the DP front or a RC rear with the WTS front sight. I like the sevigny rear but prefer to match it with a .125 front.

ecmills
10-30-2007, 08:32
...The race cut Warrens are what I am looking for but I have a stupid question. How do you adjust the elevation on these sights?... My factory sight is also adjusted fully right.
This may be hard to swallow, but... You don't.

You center the rear sight in the dovetail, and you're done. The pulling low & left issue that you have is not becuse your gun needed sighted in. It's because you're a new shooter and you're pulling shots low & left. EVERY new right-handed Glock shooter does this. I've never seen it be the guns fault.

If you leave your sights offset like they are, you'll never fix your trigger-control issues. If you really don't believe me, have one of your local IDPA Masters (preferably one who shoots a Glock) fire your gun. It'll hit high and right the way your sights are currently messed up... Or just shoot the gun left-handed, and it'll do the same thing for you.

diverge
10-30-2007, 21:24
Great pics. I have the dawson/heinie(race cut) on my G35 and I love it.

I have the Sevigny 2 dot carry on my G22. I did not realize they angle back until after I brought them. I was worried they would be more likely to catch on clothing when I draw but haven't had any problems.

recon
10-31-2007, 18:27
Great info here! Just have to decide which one!

GlockRik
10-31-2007, 20:24
Lots of good info, thanks for posting.

Rik

ecmills
10-31-2007, 21:45
I shot one of the guns with the Warrens on it last night. Now that I've used them all, I'd rank them like this:

1. Dawson/Heinie
2. Sevigny
3. Warren Tactical

They're all good sights, the Warrens just have a little bit less space in the rear notch than the others.

blackbag
11-01-2007, 09:48
Highly informative post! It will definitely help with decision making. By the way ecmills, do you have access to the tritium versions of the same sights, looking for new carry sights for my glock 17?

ecmills
11-01-2007, 15:08
The guy I installed the Warrens onto that 21SF for has a set of their night sights on a G23. He's got a green front, and a yellow rear centered below the notch, similar to a Heinie "straight 8" setup.

After playing with them, personally? If I wanted a night sight setup, I'd put a set of Sevigny Carry sights with a tritium front blade on my gun, and run an all-black rear. That's if I wanted to carry night sights, which I don't.

bimmerboy
11-06-2007, 17:18
Anyone know how wide the notch is on the race cut Heine's?

ecmills
11-07-2007, 08:05
I believe I saw somewhere that it's about .155 - But I'm not sure. Check warrentactical.com and see if he says how wide the rear notch is on the Sevigny Competition sights, because they appear to be the exact same width.

bimmerboy
11-07-2007, 16:54
The Sevigny rears are .150 wide according to one of the dealers.

Standard Heinie rear is .125.

Hmm... not sure which one to start with. To save a bit of money I'm thinking about going with a standard Heinie rear and the .90 Dawson front post. This gives about the same amount of light as the race cut Heinie rear and a .105 Dawson front post. I'd save $34 that way.

ecmills
11-07-2007, 19:17
Why not buy Sevigny's? They're really nice sights, and they're cheaper than Dawson or Heinie gear.

I personally think the others are a little stouter and worth the extra money, but I'm very happy with the money I spent on the Sevignys sitting on my G19.

ecmills
11-14-2007, 12:28
UPDATE:

I finally got around to measruing the sights with a dial caliper...

DAWSON F.O. FRONT:
.105" Wide

HEINIE RACE-CUT REAR:
.155" Wide notch

WARREN & SEVIGNY COMPETITION SIGHTS:
.115" front post
.150" rear notch

hokieglock
11-14-2007, 12:36
thanks ec, i've got factory adjustables on my limited g35 right now. your post has motivated me to get the warren sights.

J.P.
11-14-2007, 22:35
Great post!

The best combination I've used is the Sevigny Comeptition with fiber optic front.
Very easy to acquire and the fastes I've tried.

JOMAC
11-15-2007, 03:33
ecmills, i just have one question for you. Would the width of the rear notch or front sight need to be changed for different barrel lengths or would the sight picture be the same for the same sights on different guns like going from your G34 to G19? Thanks for your help and this great thread!

ecmills
11-15-2007, 12:50
The sight picture on my 34 and 19 are identical, as near as I can tell, with the same sights. The 1.5 to 2 inches of difference in the sight radius isn't enough to see the difference.

AZRaptor
11-24-2007, 01:07
ecmills,

Do you have the height of the Dawson front? The Sevigny rear says it needs a .215 front.

RG-Glock17
11-24-2007, 16:38
Great thread!
I've been looking for this type of sight comparison for quite a while.
I've been considering the Sevigny sights for my G17, but wasn't sure.
This will help me decide.

Thanks! :)

proraptor
11-25-2007, 10:42
Weird.....I just got the new ameriglo pro sight (looks similar to the sevigny rear) and the notch is .165 wide....It was only like $30 also which is a steal and the back end is also serrated which is nice! Me and a buddy installed it in about 10 minutes with a hammer, a wooden dowel, and calipers. Im not sure if they have them on their website yet but you might want to take a look at them....

I want to pair it up with a dawson front fiber optic....What size should I go with?

ecmills
11-25-2007, 18:59
The F.O. fronts in those pictures is .105 wide. I'd recommend a .105 or .115 wide front.

I just went and looked at the Ameriglo catalog (link (http://www.ameriglo.net/weapon_site/catalog/2007.pdf))... Wow, I had no idea that they offered all those widths, and depth options.

AZRaptor
11-25-2007, 21:08
Ok, I found specs on another site that lists the Dawson .105 FO as being .225 high. There is also a Dawson .125 FO which is .155 high. So it looks like both are a "no go" with the Sevigny rears.

Anyone know how the Sevigny FO front compares with the Dawson one?

proraptor
11-26-2007, 23:17
OMG...nevermind I must have measured it wrong....The amriglo pro rear is .180 wide....What width front dawson FO should I get for that? Im thinking the dawson .125

ecmills
12-15-2007, 23:27
I'd go with a .115 or .125 personally. Either would be okay.

Custom Glock Racing
12-16-2007, 15:25
Ok, I found specs on another site that lists the Dawson .105 FO as being .225 high. There is also a Dawson .125 FO which is .155 high. So it looks like both are a "no go" with the Sevigny rears.

Anyone know how the Sevigny FO front compares with the Dawson one?

The 105x225 DP will work with all WTS sights. WTS also makes their own FO front that are 115x215

AZRaptor
12-16-2007, 16:01
Thanks for the clarification CGR, that's good to hear.

ecmills
12-17-2007, 23:10
To further echo what he's said, I wanted to try all-black sights on my 34.

I swapped the G19 to a Sevigny rear, with the Dawson front,
and the 34 has a Heine rear, with a Sevigny front.

They're both shooting point-of-aim still. :)

proraptor
12-22-2007, 11:10
I have the ameriglo pro rear and bought a .125 blade from glockworx and kind of like it....havent shot it yet though

bimmerboy
03-26-2008, 17:31
I have the ameriglo pro rear and bought a .125 blade from glockworx and kind of like it....havent shot it yet though

I'm also thinking about getting the Ameriglo Pro series with a .180" wide rear notch. I'd like to stick with a tritium front sight so that means the thinnest I can go is .125". I'd probably stick with Ameriglo Pro series for the front as well.

Have you shot the Pro rear with a .125" front yet? Comments?

I wonder if a .125" front is too wide for gun games. The stock Glock front is way to fat for gun games. It measures around .140 or 9/64" on the metal scale that I used.

gary newport
03-26-2008, 17:53
I wonder if a .125" front is too wide for gun games. The stock Glock front is way to fat for gun games. It measures around .140 or 9/64" on the metal scale that I used.

:dunno: I'm using the Trijicon steel copy of the Glock plastic front sight, together with the steel Glock rear on the G21SF in gun games. Oddly enough, I can actually see this front sight!

proraptor
03-27-2008, 12:15
I'm also thinking about getting the Ameriglo Pro series with a .180" wide rear notch. I'd like to stick with a tritium front sight so that means the thinnest I can go is .125". I'd probably stick with Ameriglo Pro series for the front as well.

Have you shot the Pro rear with a .125" front yet? Comments?

I wonder if a .125" front is too wide for gun games. The stock Glock front is way to fat for gun games. It measures around .140 or 9/64" on the metal scale that I used.

I wasnt a fan of the ameriglo pro rear as the notch was just too wide for me...Not to mention I didnt like the front sight...It was too thick

I ended up buying some fixed dawson fiber optic sights witht he wide notch in the rear. The sights are top notch and the sight picture is beautiful

dsmw5142
04-06-2008, 20:10
BTT :rollsmiley: for an excellent thread that shouldn't be lost... helped me pick out my new G35 sights (dawson/heinie)

Robert14
04-09-2008, 08:47
To the origional poster. I just picked up a G35 and have started looking for sights, your post couldn't have come at a better time. Do all of these combos shoot point of aim? Several of the sight manufacturers websites state that the G35 may print up to 2.5" high with some sight changes & they can sell you different front sights to compensate if yours does this....after you purchase the first one... Your thoughts please.

Also do you recommend a good hoster for carry / IDPA? (sorry, I know I am straying from the topic with this last question)

bimmerboy
04-21-2008, 20:24
Thanks partially to the info from this post, here are my new plain Heinie Race Cuts.

I can easily upgrade to a Dawson fiber front but figured this was a good place to start.

Let me know if you can't see the pics...

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6858/p1090237qa0.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8205/p1090235ya4.jpg

WJR
04-23-2008, 20:32
I bought the Heinies Straight 8 Slant Pros with Race Cut for my G21SF and they are great.

No pictures, yet, but hopefully I can take some soon. I loved them in my first range trip this past week.

WJR

ecmills
05-05-2008, 11:42
To the origional poster. I just picked up a G35 and have started looking for sights, your post couldn't have come at a better time. Do all of these combos shoot point of aim? Several of the sight manufacturers websites state that the G35 may print up to 2.5" high with some sight changes & they can sell you different front sights to compensate if yours does this....after you purchase the first one... Your thoughts please.

Also do you recommend a good hoster for carry / IDPA? (sorry, I know I am straying from the topic with this last question)
I've installed a couple sets of Warren sights for a local shooter with a coupe of 35s and 22s. The sights are identical in height to the Sevignys, and they've shot point-of-aim on everything from a 21SF, to 35, to a G19.

The round lands at the top edge of the front sight, where it belongs. No 6-o'clock hold.

They're accurate at all IDPA distances (0-35 yards).

My favorite IDPA holster is a comp-tac locking paddle (have to request it be made IDPA-legal when ordering), then either a belt or paddle holster, again from Comp-Tac. I carry my G19 in either a C-TAC or Paddle all day, every day.

gotboost562
05-05-2008, 23:17
I've installed a couple sets of Warren sights for a local shooter with a coupe of 35s and 22s. The sights are identical in height to the Sevignys, and they've shot point-of-aim on everything from a 21SF, to 35, to a G19.

The round lands at the top edge of the front sight, where it belongs. No 6-o'clock hold.

They're accurate at all IDPA distances (0-35 yards).

My favorite IDPA holster is a comp-tac locking paddle (have to request it be made IDPA-legal when ordering), then either a belt or paddle holster, again from Comp-Tac. I carry my G19 in either a C-TAC or Paddle all day, every day.

Is this the proper way to aim when using the Warren/Sevigny sights:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/gotboost562/Sevigny2.jpg
Or is it this way:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/gotboost562/Sevigny1.jpg
Is the second one what you refer to as the 6-o'clock hold?

ecmills
05-06-2008, 00:25
The top one is the correct way to shoot all of these sights. Just like the stock sights.

A 6-o'clock hold is not the second picture. It's what bullseye shooters do. Since they aim at a consant-size black circle at a fixed distance, they set their sights up so that the BOTTOM of the bullseye is resting on top of the front post. It's much more precise than trying to place the tip of the black blade in the center of the circle.

Works great in slow-fire, at a fixed range, where quarter-sized groups are the goal. Not so much for practical shooting.

gotboost562
05-06-2008, 01:14
The top one is the correct way to shoot all of these sights. Just like the stock sights.

A 6-o'clock hold is not the second picture. It's what bullseye shooters do. Since they aim at a consant-size black circle at a fixed distance, they set their sights up so that the BOTTOM of the bullseye is resting on top of the front post. It's much more precise than trying to place the tip of the black blade in the center of the circle.

Works great in slow-fire, at a fixed range, where quarter-sized groups are the goal. Not so much for practical shooting.

I got it, something like this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/gotboost562/Sevigny3.jpg
I guess I am more used to my XD with 3-dot sights. With most 3-dot sights like Trijicons, etc. isn't the proper way like this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/gotboost562/Sevigny4.jpg

gary newport
05-06-2008, 13:46
I got it, something like this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/gotboost562/Sevigny3.jpg
I guess I am more used to my XD with 3-dot sights. With most 3-dot sights like Trijicons, etc. isn't the proper way like this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/gotboost562/Sevigny4.jpg

Aligning the three dots is a quick way to be on target at combat ranges. Ideally, if the three-dot sights are correctly manufactured, the top of the front sight will be centered and aligned with the top of the rear sight when the dots are aligned and equidistant from each other.

ecmills
05-19-2008, 08:59
I got it, something like this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/gotboost562/Sevigny3.jpg
I guess I am more used to my XD with 3-dot sights. With most 3-dot sights like Trijicons, etc. isn't the proper way like this:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/gotboost562/Sevigny4.jpg

Yes... and no.

The first picture illustrates a "6 o'clock hold" perfectly. That's what I was describing for bullseye matches.

On the second picture, that's actually wrong for these sights and your XD, but it works well enough. The point of impact is really even with the top edge of the front sight, not even with the dots, just like my sights. However, the difference between the two is only a fraction of an inch of vertical seperation, so you'd never notice the difference. If the dots are lined up, the sight blades are lined up, period. It's just that your bullet lands 'on top' of the front sight, not 'behind the dot' like you think it does.

Make sense?

sfrank
05-31-2008, 22:19
What do I need to do to fix my trigger-control problem. New shooter to Glock and am looking for different sights but having the same poblem of shooting low and left.
Thanks
Steve
This may be hard to swallow, but... You don't.

You center the rear sight in the dovetail, and you're done. The pulling low & left issue that you have is not becuse your gun needed sighted in. It's because you're a new shooter and you're pulling shots low & left. EVERY new right-handed Glock shooter does this. I've never seen it be the guns fault.

If you leave your sights offset like they are, you'll never fix your trigger-control issues. If you really don't believe me, have one of your local IDPA Masters (preferably one who shoots a Glock) fire your gun. It'll hit high and right the way your sights are currently messed up... Or just shoot the gun left-handed, and it'll do the same thing for you.

ecmills
06-08-2008, 19:18
Shoot some, and dry-fire a LOT...

sfrank
06-08-2008, 20:02
Thanks,
That's what I'm doing. I shoot a 1911 and wanted to try something different and cheaper so I went with the G-34. Really like the gun but it is taking some getting use to. I have been paying close attention to my trigger pull and u are right, the front sight pulls low and left if I'm not on the trigger right.
I'm breaking in a new holster so I'm working on several things at once. Got a steel match in two weeks and I don't want the boys with the 1911 digging me to bad. They already are tearing me up for buying the Glock. Hard to teach old dogs new tricks. :rofl:

Bren
06-13-2008, 07:05
Dave sent me a set of his sights to try on my G34. I have never used a thin front before. The Sevigny rear notch is just too wide for me. I stuck a Heinie rear on just to see how it looked. I think I may like it better as the notch is not as wide. I will shoot it for a while then try the Sevigny rear.

I put the Sevigny sights on a Glock 17 and thought just the opposite - I was expecting more space in the rear. Maybe it would have been better on a 34, since what I wanted was plenty of room on the sides of the front sight.

sidewinder6
06-13-2008, 11:51
Warren Sevigny Carry with Tritium front. New on my old 34.

http://i28.tinypic.com/34fdw6x.jpg

GLOCK PR
06-15-2008, 13:11
Warren Sevigny Carry with Tritium front. New on my old 34.

http://i28.tinypic.com/34fdw6x.jpg

Where did you buy them? How much $$$$$?

They are :wow:

sidewinder6
06-16-2008, 10:44
http://www.cpwsa.com/warren_sevigny_sights.htm

Better yet, here is how they shoot. 10yds from the holster slow fire.

http://i30.tinypic.com/2n8zmtv.jpg

timmer
06-17-2008, 07:55
http://www.cpwsa.com/warren_sevigny_sights.htm

I ordered the same set from Chris last Wednesday and received them on Saturday. I will post some pictures when I install them on my G22.

Tim

sfrank
06-27-2008, 21:12
Call Dawson they set me up with a 017-012 rear and a 019-004 front.
Great people to work with, just told them what I wanted and they had the answer for my old eyes. http://www.dawsonprecision.com.
They work great. I shoot steel and have no problem with this setup. :smoking:

BigRed82
06-28-2008, 17:12
ecmills and everyone else that have contributed to this thread, Thank You. It was primarily due to this thread that I decided to put Warren sights on my Glocks several months ago, and I have been very pleased with them. This thread has been very useful to me in my sight selection, so I feel obliged to help contribute some more pics for others who can't quite decide.

Here are the three Glocks that I have them installed on. I went with Sevigny Competition sights on my G34 with FO front; I put the plain front on the Competition rear on my G19, and I installed the Warren Tactical rear and FO front on my G26.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_0957copy.jpg

G34:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_0961copy.jpg


G19:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_0965copy.jpg


G26:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_0970copy.jpg


For precise, slow fire accuracy - I like the plain black sights the best.

For fast acquisition and good accuracy - I like the Warren Tactical w/ FO Front the best.

If I were to order over again, I would install the Warren Tactical rears with FO fronts on all of them.

BigRed82
06-28-2008, 18:26
Here are three more pics - one of each - with a higher F setting to give a better idea of the sight picture. The rear sights were a bit too much out of focus on the first three.

I have the camera distance about the same as when I shoot. I'm 6'4" with long arms, so shorter arms may see more light between the rear and front than in these photos. Comparing the sight picture of holding the sights right next to the picture on my monitor - they are almost identical.

G34 w/ Sevigny Competition rear w/ FO front
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/IMG_1060crop.jpg

G19 w/ Sevigny Competition rear w/ black front
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/IMG_1068crop.jpg

G26 w/ Warren Tactical rear w/ FO front
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/IMG_1070crop.jpg

BigRed82
06-28-2008, 18:59
And here are a few more shots from different angles.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_0971copy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_0974copy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_0976copy.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_0975copy.jpg

Lawdawg112
06-30-2008, 17:28
Just got my warren rear with the red F.O. front. I really like them. I like how the rear is angled off on the sides so you can see more of the target when you bring it up.

Macintosh#1
07-06-2008, 22:36
Thanks for the excellent information. I much prefer the Warren Tacticals over any of the others.

Glockdoc48
07-07-2008, 19:52
Excellent thread, everyone. My question: what is the difference between a white tritium dot and a red FO dot as far as shooting performance goes?

ecmills
07-07-2008, 20:36
Excellent thread, everyone. My question: what is the difference between a white tritium dot and a red FO dot as far as performance goes?
The fiber optic glows in daylight, and is similar in performance to a plain black sight at night.
The tritium element glows at night, but appears basically black during the day. The white ring around it does give the shooter a focal point, though.

I prefer plain black steel sights on my guns. Although a tritium front without a white highlight would be great. They just don't offer one in the .115" width I prefer.

Glockdoc48
07-08-2008, 19:04
Thanks ec. I am leaning to the WTS carry with the tritium dot front and plain rear.

gotboost562
07-09-2008, 15:29
I just picked up a used G34 that had a set of Dawson sights on it. It has the non-adjustable plian black rear and fiber-optic front. I have just started shooting competitively in my local steel matches. I shot it for the first time last night and really like it.

The rear notch seems much wider and the front blade seems thinner than the set of Sevigny Competition sights I have on my G17. With the sights on my 34 it seems I need to put the fiber optic in the middle of the target to get the POI. I need to work on my trigger control as still shoot low and to the left. Anyone else notice and differences between shooting with the Sevigny's and the Dawson's? Thanks.

recon
07-09-2008, 21:06
Thank you BigRed82 for those great pictures! Finally someone put something up so I can at least see what the sights look like and see how they look on the glocks. Looks like Warren Tactical/FO for me. Thanks again!

beardsatan
07-28-2008, 00:26
I was playing with someone's Glock at IPSC last weekend and I was amazed at their sites. I didn't think to ask them at the time what they were (too busy admiring the 2lb trigger) and I have been looking for them ever since.

Apparently it's the Warren Tactical with the fiber optic front. Needless to say I just bought a set.

How hard are these to install? Could I do it with basic knowledge of the pistol or should I just take it to a smith?

Also GREAT pics

soundwave
07-28-2008, 14:50
Great thread.

Anyone prefer the green FO option on there Dawsons/Warrens? I see tons of red at matches, but have never seen anyone using the green FO.

samuse
08-21-2008, 09:45
does anyone use the Dawson F.O. front with the factory adj. rears on the 35? I'm getting a 35 and was wanting to try it.

revel8
08-22-2008, 10:02
a little off topic, but is there somewhere i can buy one of those tiny fiber optic rods ? it would work excellent on the front of my J frame...

Speedrock
08-22-2008, 14:57
a little off topic, but is there somewhere i can buy one of those tiny fiber optic rods ? it would work excellent on the front of my J frame...

Brownell's carries a wide selection of a number of the mfg's. F/O rods in packets, some in at least two diameters along with various colors.

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"Anyone prefer the green FO option on there Dawson's/Warrens? I see tons of red at matches, but have never seen anyone using the green FO."

Switched to green a long time ago. FWIW, most fronts come with both red & green rod extras. Green seems to be more translucent and "brighter", yet less distracting in full-on Sun when red can seem to "Halo" or simply "glow" TO much......

samuse
08-24-2008, 10:04
I still can't make up mind on which sights. Maybe I just need to jump and get some. Almost anything would be bettter than the factories. Does the serrations on the Heinie rears help anything? I'm pretty much torn between the Heinies and the Sevigny's. I like both, but will the serrations on the Heinies help with anything such as glare?

ecmills
08-24-2008, 17:16
No. It's just two different solutions to the same problem. The rear of the Heinie sight is serated because the back of the sight is sloped toward the front of the gun, and without the serrations that could be very distracting in the wrong lighting.

Warren/Sevigny sights simply make the rear of the sight slope toward the rear of the gun, keeping the back of the sight in the shade. I've used both, and they both work great.

Speedrock
08-25-2008, 23:42
"I still can't make up mind on which sights. .... Does the serrations on the Heinie rears help anything? I'm pretty much torn between the Heinies and the Sevigny's. I like both, but will the serrations on the Heinies help with anything such as glare?"

What is your "true" or main use?

The serrations on Heinies are coarse and "dull" compared to Dawson or especially 10-8's new Glock sights available in two notch widths.
On any of the Heinie "SlantPro" series one can get/experience "glare", given the right {"wrong"} conditions. If these are for Gun Games, "Sight Black" is not exactly out of fashion.
Heinie still makes their original rear that is back-drafted or undercut, {whatever you want to call it} that is also serrated. It was, and is, a direct copy of the superlative Bo-Mar patented rear leaf adj. sight, in a fixed configuration.
Scott Warren's sights are made from very tough steel and are top-notch in every respect, {including an honest & fair price!} but one has to live with the super-wide rear notch that's probably best left to the "Game Field".
While Heinie's .125" rear which is not a "square" notch but a deep "slit" that provides a rather excellent sight-picture has a great deal going for it as an all-around, do-everything sight-set.
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gotboost562
08-30-2008, 19:53
I just picked up a used G34 that had a set of Dawson sights on it. It has the non-adjustable plian black rear and fiber-optic front. I have just started shooting competitively in my local steel matches. I shot it for the first time last night and really like it.

The rear notch seems much wider and the front blade seems thinner than the set of Sevigny Competition sights I have on my G17. With the sights on my 34 it seems I need to put the fiber optic in the middle of the target to get the POI. I need to work on my trigger control as still shoot low and to the left. Anyone else notice and differences between shooting with the Sevigny's and the Dawson's? Thanks.

The more I shoot my 34 and 17, I prefer the Sevigny Competition sights. I am debating about changing the sights on the 34 now. Anyone else notice this?

Austin794
08-30-2008, 20:05
Xs Big Dots!

4MUL8R
09-03-2008, 19:20
Wonder why the Warren Tactical has a rounded notch bottom but the Sevigny competition has a perfectly square cut? I like the WTS angled sides, as it draws my eye to the front post. But, the rounded bottom with a square edged front blade seems odd. I guess it is rounded to go with the FO front, visually?

samuse
09-07-2008, 19:10
Well I threw a set of Sevigny comp. F.O. on my 19 today. I really like the sight picture and seem to get a vey fast aquisition of it. I haven't had a chance to shoot it, but will tomorrow. Hope I got 'em on straight. I used a 30 lb dumbell, a 16 oz ball peen, a 1/8 round punch, a sheet of paper and a Lone Wolf Glock tool to put 'em on. Oh yeah, and some red threadlocker.:supergrin:

Speedrock
09-08-2008, 13:46
"Wonder why the Warren Tactical has a rounded notch bottom ...
I like the WTS angled sides, as it draws my eye to the front post.
But, the rounded bottom with a square edged front blade seems odd...."

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Chip,

Best and most detailed explanation, re current "U"-Notch rears, is on Hilton Yam's site. He has obviously done his homework, research and.....not just copycatted a trend!

Have two of his new rears on Glocks and use with all-black, finely-serrated narrow fronts. Think his reasoning is spot on from own experience with his sights, plus he is using an ultra fine serration on their blades which makes the "eye" "move" to the front sight even more naturally or instinctively.

The specifics of his "U"-Notch design begins below the 2nd photo with the 1911 to the right. Also notice he gives Scott Warren due credit!


"None other than revolver great Ed McGivern cited the benefits of such a setup":

http://www.10-8performance.com/id15.html

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samuse
09-11-2008, 18:03
Shot my 19 with the Sevigny's today. All I can say is what a relief! I can shoot my gun now. The sights seem to be dead on. Very fast aquisition and the rear sight dissappears. I had to stop and LOOK at the rear sight a few times to make sure I was lined up and not just getting lucky. So far I think I love 'em.

4MUL8R
09-11-2008, 19:15
does anyone use the Dawson F.O. front with the factory adj. rears on the 35? I'm getting a 35 and was wanting to try it.

I purchased a Dawson FO that is ready-made for the Glock adjustable rear sight. It is very short compared to other sight combinations. I decided that since I was not going to keep the plastic Glock rear sight forever, that I would return it to Dawson, anticipating a Heinie / Dawson or similar configuration some day.

If you do this sight arrangement, be sure you can deal with the white U and the red dot of the Dawson. I am not sure that I could. I think the very bright white U would not work with the small red dot FO sight.

rexambar
09-14-2008, 15:21
Excellent thread helped me a lot
I finally decided heinie (slant pro race cut) sight set for my G17, with .156 rear wide and .125 black serrated front.
I also ordered "in case" both Dawson FO .115 and .125 front sight but finally decided with the Heinie set. I'm not saying Dawson fo front sight were wrong but it is me I shoot better with all Heinie.
thanks
rex

MustangGreg66
09-23-2008, 00:24
This is a great thread. I'm shooting USPSA with my G35 and have been itching to change the sights. I'm torn between a dawson adjustable or the Sevigny Competition. I like the adjustability to put the bullet right where I want it for a given zero.... but not really wanting to pay for it. Are there any better places to buy these sights than stright from dawsonprecision.com ? I don't see many in the classified adds, people must really like em :p

bimmerboy
09-30-2008, 20:30
I went with the Heinie race cut in all black. With this setup, i can always upgrade the front to the Dawson FO. But the black front is awesome for outdoor shoots. Not so good indoors.

The Warren's just seemed too busy with its special shape. The Sevigny's were next on my list by the Heinie Slant Pro's were well regarded and IMO lookined nicer on the gun.

Front site is .125" wide and rear notch is .156" wide.

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bimmerboy
09-30-2008, 20:50
The fiber optic glows in daylight, and is similar in performance to a plain black sight at night.
The tritium element glows at night, but appears basically black during the day. The white ring around it does give the shooter a focal point, though.

I prefer plain black steel sights on my guns. Although a tritium front without a white highlight would be great. They just don't offer one in the .115" width I prefer.

ecmills, what did you like more about the Sevigny's over the Heinies?

Tony44
10-03-2008, 06:55
Where is the best place to buy a Sevigny Competition w/fiber optic front sight set?

mallet72
10-03-2008, 09:01
can anyone tell me what sites these are.

gary newport
10-03-2008, 14:07
can anyone tell me what sites these are.

Not specifically. Those white-outline night sights could be (a) Glock, (b) Meprolight, (c) Trijicon or (d) Ameriglo.

Do the sights have any markings on them?

Edited to add: on second look, the front sight looks skinny, relative to the size of the dot. That could suggest Ameriglo -- or it could be an artifact of of the somewhat fuzzy photo.

ecmills
10-04-2008, 19:17
ecmills, what did you like more about the Sevigny's over the Heinies?
Never shot straight Heinies. Just the Dawson/Heinie combo

The Dawson rear has a shallower notch than the Heinie or Sevigny rear sights. When I ran the Dawson FO front with these rears, the dot is actually high-of-center in the notch with the sights aligned. Centering the dot in the rear notch (vertically speaking) results in a low hit.

Plus, I just plain shoot better without a fiber front to distract me. IMO, if you're not of bifocal-age, you're better off with black-on-black. Every time I swap back to a fiber (tried it twice), I suffer a noticeable loss in accuracy.

Where is the best place to buy a Sevigny Competition w/fiber optic front sight set?Go to www.warrentactical.com and click the dealers link.

gary newport
10-06-2008, 16:54
Never shot straight Heinies. Just the Dawson/Heinie combo

The Dawson rear has a shallower notch than the Heinie or Sevigny rear sights. When I ran the Dawson FO front with these rears, the dot is actually high-of-center in the notch with the sights aligned. Centering the dot in the rear notch (vertically speaking) results in a low hit.

Plus, I just plain shoot better without a fiber front to distract me. IMO, if you're not of bifocal-age, you're better off with black-on-black. Every time I swap back to a fiber (tried it twice), I suffer a noticeable loss in accuracy.

Go to www.warrentactical.com and click the dealers link.

And if you are of a certain age, black-on-black sights just don't cut it! :cool:

ecmills
10-06-2008, 21:58
Exactly. I've been around my share of Master and GrandMaster shooters who have a few decades on me. They shoot circles around me, and if they're not using a F.O. front sight, it's because they're shooting Open. :supergrin:

I simply wanted to clarify that an FO front is NOT required for competition use. I think a lot of new shooters are under that impression. A quick glance at what the younger pack of M/GMs are running at Nationals (both IDPA and USPSA) will show a strong preference for all-black sights, from what I've seen.

vrex
10-10-2008, 13:50
Never shot straight Heinies. Just the Dawson/Heinie combo

The Dawson rear has a shallower notch than the Heinie or Sevigny rear sights. When I ran the Dawson FO front with these rears, the dot is actually high-of-center in the notch with the sights aligned. Centering the dot in the rear notch (vertically speaking) results in a low hit.

Plus, I just plain shoot better without a fiber front to distract me. IMO, if you're not of bifocal-age, you're better off with black-on-black. Every time I swap back to a fiber (tried it twice), I suffer a noticeable loss in accuracy.

Go to www.warrentactical.com and click the dealers link.


Im thinking about changing the sevigny comp rear sight on my g34 to a heinie standard cut, I like the more narrow notch in the rear, but I have heard the heinies can make the g34 shoot high. I was going to use my warren .115 wide black serrated sight in the front. Do you think this combo will work?

evi1joe
10-10-2008, 22:12
Any recommendations? -- I want a Heine Slant-Pro straight-8 tritium rear sight, BUT a front sight that has fiber optic AND tritium (kinda like the Tru-Glos). I actually LOVE the Tru-Glo sights, except I hate 3 dots...I prefer an "i" set up--a line with a dot on top or the Heine 8 type sights. But so far, I only see tritium OR fiber-optic Heine/Dawson front sights to go with my Heine rears (heh, a redundant pun).

4MUL8R
12-09-2008, 06:14
Can anyone tell me the proper Dawson FO front sight to use with the Warren Tactical on a G34? I think this would be the best combination for me.

Hound_dogs_01
12-14-2008, 15:57
OK I have decided to go with the heinie race cut titrium for my G35...I hate the damn glock sights... Will these sights serve me well? http://www.gunracing.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1139283813

Alex

Speedrock
12-14-2008, 18:19
"Im thinking about changing the sevigny comp rear sight on my g34 to a heinie standard cut, I like the more narrow notch in the rear, but I have heard the heinies can make the g34 shoot high. I was going to use my warren .115 wide black serrated sight in the front. Do you think this combo will work? "

Hell NO!, .................You're screwed!

Only FWIW, am on a 3rd G34 now and never have had described problem. But "roll my own" PF loads which are generally in the 135 range simply to insure the slide cycles quickly and positively, etc.

Heinie's std. front is .216" tall. {he makes .235" & .250" high fronts to correct for those pistols that might shoot high, but generally are the .40 caliber Glocks & G19} Scott's plain-black, front is .215" so..........

All of the Heinie rears have had or installed have had around a .129" notch, not the spec'd .125". {If it matters?}

Again, OFWIF, currently have a Warren front and Hilton Yam's superb "10-8" rear which does have a true .125" rear notch and a "U-Notch" to boot!

Personally favor it for the very fine, crisp serrations and that it can be purchased separately with little or no $$ penalty. {also available in a .140" U-notch, however also favor the narrower notch for the longer sight-radius of the 34}
If you do switch to Heinie's, consider his "Original Style" rear: # 320R {non "SlantPro"} as it is "back-drafted", same as Warrens.

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=6868&title=SIGHT%20for%20GLOCK~

So, the "short ans." to your Question, would be: "Yes!"

p.s. Wish Scott would intro his rear's in a more "traditional" width, too!
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BigRed82
01-28-2009, 05:26
I just wanted to knock this back up to the top as I think the info is rather useful to the community.

I have been unsuccessful in my attempts to locate any Yost retro sights for the Glock, so I am still using my Warren Tactical w/ green FO front.

The only thing that I don't really like about all of the sights we are discussing here is the .215 height. I much prefer the .165" height.

I would love to have some .165" Warren or 10-8 sights. Alas, it is not a perfect world. :(

Haldor
01-29-2009, 12:25
This may be hard to swallow, but... You don't.

You center the rear sight in the dovetail, and you're done. The pulling low & left issue that you have is not becuse your gun needed sighted in. It's because you're a new shooter and you're pulling shots low & left. EVERY new right-handed Glock shooter does this. I've never seen it be the guns fault.

True words. My first Glock (G19) shot low and left. The way I fixed it (me) was to spend a lot of time dry firing and adjusting my trigger finger position until the gun stopped moving when I stroked the trigger. In my case I wasn't putting enough finger on the trigger. What worked best for me was to put the first joint of my finger on the trigger. Replacing the grooved trigger with a smooth trigger really helped also (not an issue if you have a full size Glock).

Another way that gave me good accuracy was to use the very tip of my finger. Bend the finger sharply (like you are trying to use the end of your finger nail to press the trigger). This worked ok for slow bulls-eye firing, but didn't work for me when drawing from the holster.

Everybody's hands are different so you just have to experiment until you figure out what works for you. Dry firing is the best way to do this. Sight on a small object at a distance and keep watching the sights while you stroke the trigger. If the sights wander during the trigger stroke then change your grip or trigger finger position until it doesn't.

Speedrock
01-29-2009, 16:16
"I have been unsuccessful in my attempts to locate any Yost retro sights for the Glock, so I am still using my Warren Tactical w/ green FO front.

The only thing that I don't really like about all of the sights we are discussing here is the .215 height. I much prefer the .165" height.

I would love to have some .165" Warren or 10-8 sights. Alas, it is not a perfect world."
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There's a reason the Yost Glock sight set isn't available/popular! Comes with a .200" tall front "blank" {tho' v finely serrated!} one has to file or mill down to working height, which is WAY below even your preferred front height! So short, it leaves you out for any available trit. or F/Optic alternative. Have had two sets and one wasn't even machined properly. {rear notch}
Brownell's has, or had, them. Nice idea, poor execution...

Currently using Hilton's 10-8 rear which he wisely set-up to use other available .215" fronts. Have been Superb so far in the .140" notch width. {also available in .125"} Much better than the ultra wide Warren's when using on a 5"+ slide, IMO, as place a high value on accuracy and speed. Can be had direct from 10-8 {He now has his own fronts in different styles and heights not unlike Heinie's, etc.} or now stocked by Brownell's in at least one width.
Going to be difficult to get away from .215's unless care to go with Novak's "Carry" which will use around the height you like? They have a .140" notch now along with two styles of F/OP fronts.

If desire a "short" front site, consider MMC's, they use around a .165" front and have a wide-notch rear but since, in part, are adj. cost $$$

rem2429
02-10-2009, 10:28
bump for a sticky
Thanks to everyone for this thread, most informative.
Any idea about putting these on a 21 which requires a different rear sight than the 9/ 40 cal guns?

Janno05
04-02-2009, 07:18
Sorry for bringing back an old thread, but this one is awesome. I have a quick question, do any of you use a dawson FO front sight on your carry gun? I know they are not as durable, but it would seem that if that was the case competition shooters would not use them. I am thinking about getting a set for my G19, which is my do everything glock.

Ecmills- 10-8 performance has a tritium front sight that is .125'' with no outlines.

gatorglockman
05-31-2009, 14:48
I wanted to revive this old thread because it is par excellence. I bought the Sevigny/Warren combo from Dawson and literally just got done installing them. Waiting for the threadlock to cure before I reassemble. This thread help me confirm my decision.

I placed the sights on my G34 IDPA gun. It is also my first fiber optic frt sight, so I am excited to see what it does for me on the range. Since this was my first sight replacement job, it did take a little time for me. File, nylon punch, light hammer, threadlock and a makeshift vice was all that was needed. I took my time, so it took me around 1 hr to do.

Once I see how these treat me, I may go with the Sevigny/Warren Night sight combo for my G17 CCW........however the threads on Ameriglo and Trijicon are pretty suweet as well......so I am not sure. One thing I am sure of, the fiber optic and wider notch rear will likely help me in IDPA. I am a middle aged dude....so the eyes are in the period where a little extra pop (red dot) may help my focus speed up some.

Thanks again for the post, pics and comments guys!

recon
06-01-2009, 18:09
Should be a STICKY!

Speedrock
06-02-2009, 10:27
"I placed the sights on my G34 IDPA gun. It is also my first fiber optic front sight, so I am excited to see what it does for me on the range. Since this was my first sight replacement job, it did take a little time for me. File, nylon punch, light hammer, threadlock and a makeshift vice was all that was needed. I took my time, so it took me around 1 hr to do.

"One thing I am sure of, the fiber optic and wider notch rear will likely help me in IDPA. I am a middle aged dude....so the eyes are in the period where a little extra pop (red dot) may help my focus speed up some."

Thanks again for the post, pics and comments guys!
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One Hour? That's decent! Took your time and did it right and file fit your sights instead of just "beating" them in the DT with hammer 'n punch. :dunno:

"Finding" a red "tube" on those "light" brown IDPA targets in virtually any lighting is wonderfully quicker no matter how old the eyes are... {FWIW, own are far the wrong side of middle-aged}

Again, FWIW, the red seems brighter but the green works very well too...

Hope they cut into your PD's too! :cool:

gatorglockman
06-02-2009, 10:40
"I placed the sights on my G34 IDPA gun. It is also my first fiber optic front sight, so I am excited to see what it does for me on the range. Since this was my first sight replacement job, it did take a little time for me. File, nylon punch, light hammer, threadlock and a makeshift vice was all that was needed. I took my time, so it took me around 1 hr to do.

"One thing I am sure of, the fiber optic and wider notch rear will likely help me in IDPA. I am a middle aged dude....so the eyes are in the period where a little extra pop (red dot) may help my focus speed up some."

Thanks again for the post, pics and comments guys!
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One Hour? That's decent! Took your time and did it right and file fit your sights instead of just "beating" them in the DT with hammer 'n punch. :dunno:

"Finding" a red "tube" on those "light" brown IDPA targets in virtually any lighting is wonderfully quicker no matter how old the eyes are... {FWIW, own are far the wrong side of middle-aged}

Again, FWIW, the red seems brighter but the green works very well too...

Hope they cut into your PD's too! :cool:

Thanks man! Yeah...I had read other threads with folks saying they did sights in 15-30 min. I was like...man either I am slow or too anal about this. Your response made me laugh and feel better about my smithing' skills. I have learned the hard way, waste makes waste and makes me mad as the hulk. Bottom line was that the job was done right and I am happy with it.

Can't wait to get to the range. I have been dry firing in different light conditions to practice and get used to the difference with limited light.

When I go outside, all I can say is wow! For my mid aged eyes, this does make a difference along with the different rear sight cut.

Once I fire a few matches and practice, I will determine if I go a similar route on my G17.

ecmills
06-04-2009, 22:26
You can't do them any faster with a delrin or nylon punch. I use a brass punch, no trimming whatsoever, and drive it in like a clueless hack... apparently. :upeyes:

It does take me about 5 minutes to install a set of Warren or Sevigny sights. But I've done a dozen sets. I don't file down the sight, because I don't want it to move. Period. I don't torque down the setscrew, because it's not needed with a sight that fits so tightly.
I apply a small drop of loctite to the screw, and run it down until it's flush with the rear sight. I don't torque it down into the slide, because they'll be hell to remove some day if the loctite causes you to strip that tiny hex screw and you can't get it out.

jerryrigger
01-10-2010, 11:30
This thread should be a sticky-GREAT info and pics.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have a picture of their Glock 10-8 sight picture? I'm trying to decide between a number of these sights for my G23 (leaning towards Warren Tacs or Sevigny Carrys at the moment, as this is more a CCW gun, though I do prefer a wide notch even for this purpose), and pairing it with a tritium front. I had Warrens on a P229 and really liked them, but they were paired with a Siglite front, so I'm not sure I really got the max out of them. I'd love to see a picture of the 10-8 .140 notch rear sight if anyone has run that on their Glock to this point so I can decide if those might suit me a little better than the Warrens. Thanks for the help!

jhayesvw
01-19-2010, 22:46
great thread.
the pics really help.

snipe1
01-22-2010, 23:46
Bump!

jhayesvw
02-01-2010, 22:34
well, i took the plunge and ordered a set just now from www.dawsonprecision.com

019-023 and 528-006 rear.
dawson FO front and warren tactical rear.

my buddy has this exact setup on his 17 and it shoots great.
i will post how i like them

cdunn
02-02-2010, 19:02
[QUOTE=jerryrigger;14516710]This thread should be a sticky-GREAT info and pics.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone have a picture of their Glock 10-8 sight picture?
I'm also looking for some new sights, and leaning towards the 10-8, any info would help,like is there machining involved in installing them?

jhayesvw
02-05-2010, 19:36
got my warren/dawson sight set today. installed the front in like 1 minute. the rear i have on 1/2 way. its TIGHT LIKE A TIGER. i guess i need a sight pusher or bigger balls to get it on all the way.

tomorrow morning the rear will be on the rest of the way. my buddy has a sight pusher.
i will give a range report too. not sure about pics as youve already seen them basically.

jhayesvw
02-06-2010, 17:10
got the rear on today
shot it too, its gonna take some getting used to all
that light on each side of the front sight.

its shooting pretty well.

MBG20
02-13-2010, 12:50
i need to know if the sevigny carry has enough rear sight to be able to use it to rack the slide on a belt or other object? im thinking about getting these http://www.heinie.com/product_info.php?cPath=9_11&products_id=149 because of the rear sight design, but not sure if ill like the serrated rear...

Boxerglocker
02-13-2010, 14:15
i need to know if the sevigny carry has enough rear sight to be able to use it to rack the slide on a belt or other object? im thinking about getting these http://www.heinie.com/product_info.php?cPath=9_11&products_id=149 because of the rear sight design, but not sure if ill like the serrated rear...

The front machined surface of the Sevigny carry's have about 1/4 inch radiused corners. There is enough surface to catch a surface for one handed racking, but not as much as the Henie as the corner is sharper/squarer thus more pronounced.

MBG20
02-14-2010, 12:16
The front machined surface of the Sevigny carry's have about 1/4 inch radiused corners. There is enough surface to catch a surface for one handed racking, but not as much as the Henie as the corner is sharper/squarer thus more pronounced.

thanks for the reply.... after some more reading i found where folks are putting about 1" - 1 1/2" of griptape on top of the slide infront of the rear sight. they say it makes it easy to rack the slide on your pants leg or where ever...ill prolly go with the warren tacticals or the carry with some grip tape in front..

BigRed82
03-14-2010, 16:52
I just installed a new set on my Gen4 G17, so I figured I'd post some pics for those still in the decision making process. These are the Warren Tactical 2-dot tritium sights.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_2934.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_2944.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_2942.jpg

Same setup now on the G26 as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_2970.jpg

PIDDLER
03-16-2010, 21:22
I just ordered WTS set 10 minutes ago. A really BIG thank you to ECMILLS for posting this very helpful info. I'll chime in with the "sticky" suggestion also!!!:wavey:

FJR
04-08-2010, 20:55
got the rear on today
shot it too, its gonna take some getting used to all
that light on each side of the front sight.

its shooting pretty well.


jhayesvw,

Could you please post a few pictures of your Dawson front and Warren Tactical rear?

I am trying to decide between the Dawson or Warren FO front. Thanks in advance.

Tarowah
04-11-2010, 16:20
I am looking at the Warren Tactical plain rear and .215 fiber optic sight set for my G19 but I have a couple of questions.

I use my G19 for GSSF shoots and it is also my CCW gun, should I even be looking at a Fiber Optic front sight for a carry gun? Or does the optic tube stay in place well enough that losing it isnt an issue?

FJR
04-15-2010, 20:23
If anyone is able, could you please post a few quality pictures of your Dawson FO front and Warren Tactical rear? Specifically with the sights lined up properly from the shooters perspective.

I'm trying to decide which way to go, Dawson or Warren FO front before I place an order.

Thanks in advance.

FJR

whatsupglock
08-27-2010, 08:11
archive

jamaicanj
12-08-2010, 07:20
Fantastic thread. Thanks for all the info

shooter918
12-09-2010, 10:18
nice...

recon
12-13-2010, 18:50
Just got a Glock-34. So opinions are wanted on what is a good one for the 34.

samuse
12-15-2010, 13:34
I am looking at the Warren Tactical plain rear and .215 fiber optic sight set for my G19 but I have a couple of questions.

I use my G19 for GSSF shoots and it is also my CCW gun, should I even be looking at a Fiber Optic front sight for a carry gun? Or does the optic tube stay in place well enough that losing it isnt an issue?




I think fiber optic front sights are fine for every day carry. If the gun is in a holster that covers the muzzle, then what could knock the rod out?

If the rod does come out or get broken, it won't hurt anything and only takes a minute (tops) to replace. All you need is a set of toenail clippers and a cigarette lighter.:wavey:

I carry (concealed) everyday and my carry guns look the best because they ride around in a holster all the time. My match/range guns have the most wear from being in and out of the holster, sweat on, banged on barricades etc.

People act like their carry guns get dragged around by a string tied to their ankle all day.

smm_94
12-18-2010, 13:56
Has anyone tried the 10-8 sights yet?

jayhuh
12-20-2010, 20:00
Hey BigRed82 or anyone else with experience installing these sights on their own. What type of sight pusher did you use to install Warren rear sights? MGW makes two types, one for Glock slanted sights and one for flat sided rears. Thanks.

I just installed a new set on my Gen4 G17, so I figured I'd post some pics for those still in the decision making process. These are the Warren Tactical 2-dot tritium sights.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_2934.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_2944.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_2942.jpg

Same setup now on the G26 as well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v396/jaronhudgins/Firearms/CRW_2970.jpg

rockabillyrider
12-20-2010, 20:15
Thanks!!!!

smm_94
12-22-2010, 12:57
I have the sevigney carry rear and a hienie front with the fiber optic dot. I took off the warren f/o front. Im gonna shoot this combo and see how I like it. I have reservations about the durability of the f/o front. I am running this on a rtf glock 17.

tooomey
11-30-2011, 08:22
GREAT Thread!! It seems I am a little late on the Glock sight upgrade! Anyways I just got into IDPA and I am interested in Plain black back with Dawson FO front which seems like the most preferd set up.. But most people seem to be shooting OUTSIDE where is my is Indoors! Would you recommend the FO for indoors? If not what do you guys think??

Speedrock
11-30-2011, 11:35
Has anyone tried the 10-8 sights yet?

Have used Hilton's sights for training and IDPA, USPSA, etc. for over 3 years. They're still on the G34 which says a lot for them !

Not claiming they're that much better than the Heinie's or Warren/Sevigny's have used previously but his "U"-Notch does seem to be a significant advantage or enhancement.

Never conscious of the bottom of the notch as have been with some other sights. The serrations work & the sight-picture is as "crisp" as one would expect from the top-tier steel sights available.

These are also the first sights that have not had to use sight-black at some Matches due to glare of the forward angled rear. {excluding back-drafted Sevigny}

Not sure, but believe it's due to the sight being made from hardened steel {really Hard !} & the resulting sharply defined serrations.

There is one V. popular sight on the market made from almost "butter-soft" steel {compared to Warren's & 10-8's !}that would come loose after many K rounds, to the point one needed to have it drilled & tapped for a set-screw to stop its moving from zero.

This forward slanted sight "always" seemed to pick-up glare in the "right" sun conditions. Hilton's simply don't suffer from glare. Only negative is they may have to be file-fit by hand, no different than the v. hard Warren/Sevigny's. That said, there is a video on YouTube of Hilton easily tapping the rear in on a Glock with the appropriate size & type hammer.

Also a V. good idea to read the section on his sights for Glocks on the 10-8 website as he gives his usual in depth info & installation tips along with a short video.

Personally favor Black-on-Black sights for range work and competition use, leave the Trit. set for the CCW guns, etc. So can't speak to fiber optic use.

http://www.10-8performance.com/products/Glock-Rear-Sight.html

pistoleer
12-28-2011, 23:19
I can't see the pics :(

Speedrock
12-29-2011, 13:59
QUOTE=jayhuh;16495013]
...anyone else with experience installing these sights on their own. What type of sight pusher did you use to install Warren rear sights ? ...QUOTE]

Have used a few of the others but wound up liking & using the B & J "Univ. Sight Tool" for every type of pistol, including 1911's, etc. because it's very sturdy, can be placed in a vise or taken to the range, sits flat & is strong enough to handle hardened steel sights like Warren & 10-8's.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=17840/Product/P500-UNIVERSAL-SIGHT-TOOL

tooomey
12-29-2011, 15:37
QUOTE=jayhuh;16495013]
...anyone else with experience installing these sights on their own. What type of sight pusher did you use to install Warren rear sights ? ...QUOTE]

Have used a few of the others but wound up liking & using the B & J "Univ. Sight Tool" for every type of pistol, including 1911's, etc. because it's very sturdy, can be placed in a vise or taken to the range, sits flat & is strong enough to handle hardened steel sights like Warren & 10-8's.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=17840/Product/P500-UNIVERSAL-SIGHT-TOOL


I went with Warren/Sevigny's plain Black back with Fiber Optic front all bought from Dawson persion and love them on my G17. He has a You tube video on the his website on how to install them. It was not very hard at all just took some time and patience.

Bobbyhill
03-13-2013, 14:59
UPDATE:

I finally got around to measruing the sights with a dial caliper...

DAWSON F.O. FRONT:
.105" Wide

HEINIE RACE-CUT REAR:
.155" Wide notch

WARREN & SEVIGNY COMPETITION SIGHTS:
.115" front post
.150" rear notch

I have a Heinie std (classic) rear sight with a notch wide of .125" and a Dawson FO front .105". Works pretty good for IPSC shooting but would like a wider notch on the rear sight for quicker follow-up shots. Tried to find the Heinie Race Cut rear on the Heinie web-site but could only find what they called a "Heinie Glock slantpro Ledge " rear sight with a .156" wide notch . See this link http://www.heinie.com/product_info.php?cPath=9_11&products_id=150
On the brownells web-site I found what they called; Heinie semi-auto slantpro Quick with also a .156" wide notch. See this link: http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/sights/rear-sights/semi-auto-slantpro-qwik-rear-sights-prod44979.aspx?avs|Manufacturer_1=HEINIE&avs|Make_3=Glock
Are these the same as the Heinie race-cut rear. If not where can I find that since I am not sur I like the slanted rear sight.

glocker1
01-21-2014, 23:30
Bump to the top.
Good info.....