Glock Vs 1911 2007 Match Results

[Littlemac]

Here are the results of the 4th Oklahoma Sectionals

Glock Vs 1911 Oct 07
Name, Pistol, Model, Factory # of rounds, Cause for Failure,
or Reloads,
Brian M Glock 21 R 2 Slide lock with mag
Marshall Glock 17 R 2 Failure to Feed
Don Kimber Tac II F 6 Double Feed
Brian S Wilson 1911 F 7 Failure to Lock Back
Darren Colt 1911 F 8 Failure to feed
Mike S Glock 22 F 8 Stove Pipe
Travis Glock 17 R 8 Mag failure to lock in
Mike Glock 35 R 49 Failure to Feed
Jerry 10-8 NY 1911 F 279 Failure to Feed
Bill Glock 17 F 344 No Slide lock on Empty
Greg Glock 21 F 977 Failure to Lock Back
Doug Glock 17 F 980 Sight off
Tim Colt 1911 F 1008 Finished course of Fire
Lance Glock 17 R 1073 Finished course of Fire
Sam Glock 17L R 1167 Bad Primer

Three pistols went over 1k with no malfunction. The rest had a problem before getting to 1000 rounds.

Big boy rules --once your gun goes click you are out of the competition.

Lots of discussion on THR. LM

[Steve Koski]

Sweet. Thanks for the info!

[ecmills]

Wow. Counting guys failing to seat their mags, and thumbing slide stops as failures?

No margin for error over there... ;)

[hankfan79]

I am sure alot of those were from bad ammo (reloads)

[rhino465]

Wow! Half the field lost before the first magazine change!

I hope those guys aren't relying on those gun/ammo combinations for defensive use.

[Glock Dave]

How many of those Glock shooters have played home gunsmith with their guns? That's more malfunctions than you typically see.

[Littlemac]

Pretty stiff rules. We call them Big boy rules. Your gun goes click at the line and you are out. No ifs no ands and certainly no buts. NO, but I can still shoot the targets if I clear the problem.

there is always a bunch of trash talk about whose gun does this and why glock is so much better and _____ has a 1911 that can go 10K without cleaning. The one I like best, the original test for the 1911 were 6K rounds and it was proved 100 years ago that the 1911 is superiour. This is a put up or shut up match. You can either do it or not.

Not just talking-- here are the results. This is my 6th one to shoot in and I have only finished one of them without a problem. I have been on the black and white sides of this match. I am still looking for a gun to carry that will go 1000 rounds without a problem.

See ya LM

You mileage may vary.

[marvin]

hell, i ride my thumb on the slide release so the slide never locks back. how is this a malfunction?

[muncie21]

....the original test for the 1911 were 6K rounds and it was proved 100 years ago that the 1911 is superiour.

And here I thought it was 2007....dern, where does the time go.

Seriously, I value these 'real world' type tests more highly than the staged, more controlled tests. Seems there's always a question or two after everything is all said and done. Look at the M9 evaluations for starters.....there's the makings of a good hollywood movie in there.

[shootingbuff]

Wow. Counting guys failing to seat their mags, and thumbing slide stops as failures?

No margin for error over there... ;)

I guess I understand the rules, but these type of problems are not gun related.

The match should be who can keep their pistol running the longest.

sb

[shootingbuff]

And here I thought it was 2007....dern, where does the time go.

Seriously, I value these 'real world' type tests more highly than the staged, more controlled tests. Seems there's always a question or two after everything is all said and done. Look at the M9 evaluations for starters.....there's the makings of a good hollywood movie in there.


And I value what I see at the local matches. Most problems are the nut behind the trigger, bad mags, or ammo. The results above indicate this.

sb

[domzilla9]

I guess these results would mean something to me if I was personally acquainted with the seven shooters who experienced a failure on their first magazine.

But since I don't know them, I can really only wonder how one could easily recruit three noob reloaders and four guys who shoot Wolf to participate in a "shoot to failure" match. Maybe Lance supplied the reloads for everyone else and had money riding on the match?

Seriously, if you went to any of the USPSA clubs in my area and picked 15 shooters at random and told me that you predicted that seven of them would experience some kind of malfunction on their first magazine I'd give you two to one odds in your favor on a bet that you'd be wrong. However, if you wanted the same bet on a visit to the local public range, I wouldn't take it at any odds.

It's not the bow or the arrow. It's the Indian that makes the difference.

[Littlemac]

There is no way you would know them. Two of them are LEO instructors who probably put in excess of 20k rounds down range a year each. I don't know for sure, but they have an operation in this part of the country and travel around a four state area that I know of.

Both of them said this has never happened before. But hey, if you come to the line and your gun goes "CLICK" you are out.

One of the others probably puts 5k a year down range. He keeps running total of his rounds. Perhaps he will get on the board and let us known. So some of them are very experienced and yet it happened to them.

I am out of here. See you next year or at least after the next 1k match LM

[Steve Koski]

Oh Dom, you scared him off.

[domzilla9]

Well if two of the seven who had failures in the first mag were LEO instructors that shop their wares in four states I am sure that one of the guys that made it over 1K was a astronaut, the other taught Chuck Norris everything he knows about looking cool with a gun and the third was a spook.

Bill the Ninja was probably riding the slide lock but hey, rules are rules.

[Steve Koski]

What about the mall ninja? How did he place?

[Alaskapopo]

I like the idea of the test but I would like to tweak a few things. First have all guns shoot 1000 rounds and just record the number of malfs and then you could get a percentage. Throw out any non gun problem like the bad primer. That is not a gun issue and shows us nothing.
Pat

[TimB92020]

Well if two of the seven who had failures in the first mag were LEO instructors that shop their wares in four states I am sure that one of the guys that made it over 1K was a astronaut, the other taught Chuck Norris everything he knows about looking cool with a gun and the third was a spook.

Bill the Ninja was probably riding the slide lock but hey, rules are rules.

Hello everyone...

I'm one of the two guys to complete the course of fire this year without any stoppages. I assure you I'm not an astronaut, just a Deputy Sheriff. However, Lance (the guy who kicked my ass in the match) is one heck of a shooter... He has superhuman shooting skills and may indeed be from another world :-)

There are threads about this shoot on a couple of different forums, and I try my best to stay out of them because they usually degrade into endless debates about stuff that really does not matter.

I have drawn some conclusions as a result of my participation in the match... The shoot was FUN. My weapon/magazines/ammunition functioned just fine. I need to practice more. I hate getting my butt kicked :-)

Big Big Boy Rules are not a problem for me, but I respect the opinions of those who would differ. For those who have a problem with any of the rules or conditions of the shoot, this particular match may not suit their needs and that is fine, but please don't pee on our parade because we're having a good time with it.

Regards to all,

-Tim

[J.P.]

Cool.
It looks like my very good friend Lance Jensen won the whole deal!
He's an exceptional shooter.

[GlockRik]

The first rule is follow the rules. If they are the same for everyone, then just shoot or don't.

It would be intresting to see how many malfs each gun recorded in 1000 rds., even if they were disqualified from winning.

[J.P.]

Inspired by littlemac, a guy on our board is planning a 1000rd endurance match that encompasses evry manufacturer rather than just 1911 vs. Glock, that should be an interesting one as well.
I may consider shooting that one.
Nothing against the 1911 vs. Glock match at all, although I've been invited I've just never been able to attend for various reasons.
Since I'm not shooting Glocks anymore so I'm out of that one anyway. ;)

[Torontogunguy]

Sorta gives one a whole new perspective on the Glock vs the rest of the field thing, no?

[Alaskapopo]

Inspired by littlemac, a guy on our board is planning a 1000rd endurance match that encompasses evry manufacturer rather than just 1911 vs. Glock, that should be an interesting one as well.
I may consider shooting that one.
Nothing against the 1911 vs. Glock match at all, although I've been invited I've just never been able to attend for various reasons.
Since I'm not shooting Glocks anymore so I'm out of that one anyway. ;)

I know you said you shooting sigs now but does that mean you sold all your Glocks?
Pat

[J.P.]

I know you said you shooting sigs now but does that mean you sold all your Glocks?
Pat

Only to fund SiGs ;)

There's still a plastic fantastic laying around.