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animal1969
05-02-2002, 17:59
ok I have this video clip of what appears to be a Glock, that is shooting at full automatic. I guess I'd like to send it to some of you to see what you think.. It sure don't sound like a "real" gun, but maybe that is just because of the audio/video
It seemsto have many many rounds . Also is it that hard to convert any Glock to Full auto? Of course I would not do this, but I would still like to know what this person did if it is indeed a glock......
well if you want me to send it jsut email me.....
Animal
Glock makes the G18, which is a full auto version of the G17.
as said, probably a G18 ,LEO and military only, which can be shot in semi and/or full automatic (it has a selector on the left side of the slide).
It is best to shoot with a 30+ mag as it will finnish a standard cap mag in one burst...
SomeGuyInAHat
05-02-2002, 21:00
I think I've seen the video that you're referring to, and it's actually a G17 modified for full-auto. If you see an extra appendage at the back of the slide, then I'm correct. My understanding is that it is mindnumbingly easy to convert a Glock to full-auto. Not having attempted it myself, I wouldn't know.
Hi_Cap_Glock
05-02-2002, 21:37
Yep - sounds like the "select-fire" G18 to me. Great little piece depending upon what position the selection knob/lever is in it will fire as a smi auto or full auto. Comes with a factory 33 round 9mm magizine. It is actually a G17 with the select fire harware added so Glock called it a G18. It is sold to and legal to be owned by law enforcement departments and the military ONLY.
Makes for a fun day at the range!
There are 4 videos I've seen.
Video #1 - some guy in a black T-shirt shooting a standard Glock 17 modified to fire full auto via a device on the back of the slide. Video is outdoors and it shows him taking on multiple targets at sand bunker range.
Video #2 - some guy with a black T-shirt and a badge on his belt shooting a Glock 17 modified to fire full auto via a device on the back. Video is indoors at a practice range.
Video #3 - just the guy's hand is visible as he fires a G18 in slow motion.
Video #4 - Philipino guy with G19 converted to factory G18 configuration. The guy lives in the Philipines and has several Glocks modified to G18 specifications (G17, G19, G26). The 26 is one that gets me because it has to be completely useless in full auto mode.
Where would one find thoes videos?
Vid 1 = http://communities.prodigy.net/sportsrec/images/glock2.mpg Upon further examination, it looks like a G19.
Vid 2 = http://www.fullautoglock.net/ Take a look at the downloaded videos link at the bottom on the page. The one I'm referring to is Video1 Download. Since I couldn't get the video to work, I'm not sure if it's a G17 or G19.
Vid 3 = Can't remember where I saw it.
Vid 4 = http://www.starsol.org/ericl/g19-18.mov
Vid 5 (previously unaware of this one) = http://members.home.nl/thundermaster/page2.htm
As a bonus, here's the video for full auto G26: http://www.starsol.org/ericl/g26-13.mov
Much as I suspected, it's uncontrolable as evidenced by the 15 degree change in aim from the shot 1 to shot 2 through 18.
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/walk/gen55/dgca/prod01.htm
Information on the G18.
http://gunnutjoe.tripod.com/Gunnutjoe/id3.html
Information on conversion parts.
Their are no G18's in this country and any conversion parts would be dealer sample only. In other words, you will never be able to legally own a legal full auto Glock.
GlocksRock
05-03-2002, 02:10
Originally posted by Russian
Their are no G18's in this country and any conversion parts would be dealer sample only. In other words, you will never be able to legally own a legal full auto Glock. [/B]
I have held a Glock 18, in the US. It was in Harrisburg, NC. The dealer I bought several of my glocks from personally owns a g18. It is a real g18 with the selector switch. He can be found at gun shows in the area, he also has MP5's for sale, if you have the money and the proper paper work. Here is a scan of his business card. I know there are others on this board that have dealt with him before.
Sorry, I was referring to transferable G18's. I suspect your dealer has a post May-86 G18. If he has a transferable G18, I would be VERY surprised.
animal1969
05-03-2002, 06:42
YES the first video is the one I had seen. Man I would love to have that mod LOL. would that be a fun or what. you can see in the one shot he dont hit the taget much LOL but that would be fun .
I got it make the .22 conversion fully auta with a 100 round clip LOL
that would be fun and cheep a ?
BTW I do have the G22 I think I would like the .22 conversion if it had a LARGE cap mag, any one know if there is one?
Brandon_7
05-03-2002, 07:34
Here is a website that offers conversion kits complete with a selector switch. Highly illeagal in states though :(
http://www.fullautoglock.com/
Brandon_7
05-03-2002, 07:43
Does anyone know exactly what the guys on www.fullautoglock.net are offering? Only information I can see is
"Send us $300 and we will send you something that makes your glock full auto without any gunsmithing required"
FullAutoGlock is selling the parts listed in the last link I posted. IMO, $300 is really steep for the machining involved in those parts. I have it on good authority that this guy operates out of Buenos Aires, Argentina. I find it amazing that anyone in Argentina would charge $300 for that given how desperate they are for dollars after their economy collapsed. Regardless, it's illegal to order those parts and I'm sure that mysterious packages from South America will receive special scrutiny from Customs. FYI, Hesse offers a similar set up for a full auto only Glock for $50. These are legal to buy, but illegal to assemble on a Glock.
benciti19
05-11-2002, 02:32
Who's this "Hesse"?? Thanks!
Is full auto effective at all in a handgun like a g 17 it seems like you would shoot the gun dry in no time.
No, it isn't effective. Even Glock acknowledges this when they tout the weapons "pyschological effect" on attackers over its tactical potential. At 1200 RPMs, you'd bleed a 17 round magazine dry in under a second.
G31C Pistolpete
05-12-2002, 14:19
The mag on that pistol is 33 rounds, but whats the point? I would rather shoot semi then full any day! When are me n you gonna see a firefight anyways? And why wouldnt I bring my AR?.............so whats the point of having a full auto g-lock? Nuttin in my opinion.........but its only an opinion, :D
IMHO semi is by FAR more accurate then full and its your time if you get hit by a spray n pray!Cya Pistol Pete
Ravenworx
05-12-2002, 15:04
An 18C is the way to go! with minimal(sp) practice you can empty all 33 rounds on a man sized target, so I've heard
Originally posted by Brandon_7
Does anyone know exactly what the guys on www.fullautoglock.net are offering?
IMHO, They are offering 15 to 30, loss of rights AND a steep fine..........
There are actually three transferrable Glock 18s in the country, with two of them being in GA. They each run around $25,000!
Cardinal
05-14-2002, 03:15
Originally posted by AR15'em
There are actually three transferrable Glock 18s in the country, with two of them being in GA. They each run around $25,000!
But if it wasn't built in the USA, it will be a pre '86 Dealer Sample and NOT transferable to ordinary civilians. Any foreign built MG imported into the USA after the 1968 GCA and registered before May '86 is a pre '86 Dealer Sample, which is why almost all transferable MP5 started their life as HK94's...
Originally posted by AR15'em
There are actually three transferrable Glock 18s in the country, with two of them being in GA. They each run around $25,000!
Sad what bureaucracy does...turn a $550 weapon into a 25K one. :(
Glocker_Guy
05-26-2002, 16:18
Most of the full auto kits for Glocks replace the slide cover plate and have a selector switch that looks like a push button safety, in is semi-auto, out is full auto.
I have shot a g35 and a g23 both in full auto with 15 rnd mags. The kit was a dealer sample registered as a class III machine gun.
The first gun I tried was the 23. It was almost literally over my head by the time the magazine was empty. The 35 was much more controllable. If I leaned into it and pulled down as I shot, I empty the magazine on a man sized target at 10 yrds. I was able to empty the 15 rnd mag in under a second. Supposedly the one I was shooting was firing at 23 rnds a second.
I am a pretty big guy and I was still supprised at the amount of effort it took to hold the gun down when I shot it. I personally see absolutely no use for it. By the time you added the accessories to make it controllable, such as a stock, you might as well be using a gun that was designed to fire full auto like a MP5.
The website for that Video-3 you mentioned is www.kurzzeit.com (if my spelling is correct, it's German).
1)You have to click on the US flag to read english text.
2)Then go to movies at the bottom of the left section, there are some interesting vids there.
3)Then open the bottom-most link. You should see the G18 vids there.
Originally posted by Glocker_Guy
I personally see absolutely no use for it.
Too bad there's not a "burst" option available...I think that would be pretty sweet. :)
UZIFORME
06-05-2002, 17:00
Those who do not routinely train with and use machineguns never seem to understand thier purpose.
I guess that is the reason that virtually every military and elite police force in the known world uses machineguns of some type.
There is a big difference between a Man with a machinegun and a Machinegunner with a machinegun.
The man behind the machinegun is what gives the machine it's value.
http://www.cableone.net/uziforme/G19-full.jpg
Originally posted by UZIFORME
Those who do not routinely train with and use machineguns never seem to understand thier purpose.
I guess that is the reason that virtually every military and elite police force in the known world uses machineguns of some type.
There is a big difference between a Man with a machinegun and a Machinegunner with a machinegun.
The man behind the machinegun is what gives the machine it's value.
http://www.cableone.net/uziforme/G19-full.jpg
Excuse me. We're not talking about an M249 or M60 or M2 or any other light-heavy machine gun. We're not even talking about an M16 or AK74 or G3 or any other automatic rifle. Nor are we talking about an Uzi or MP5 or Bizon or any other SMG. We're talking about a machine pistol. I can't think of any armed forces that routinely uses any type of machine pistol. It's virtually useless in combat and even CQB scenarios are better served by an MP5 or semi-auto pistol. In other words, drop the "those who do not routinely train with and use machineguns never seem to understand thier purpose" bull****. BTW, what't the selling point of a G18 once you've put a stock on it? Why not just go with an MP5 with greater weight to dampen recoil?
Glocker_Guy
06-06-2002, 01:58
Exactly!
I am not saying that all machine guns, or sub guns are useless. I was talking about a glock pistol in full auto. I have never shot a G18, a gun that was designed to fire in full auto, but I have shot a 23, and a 35 in full auto with no stock. They are a real handful! Machine pistols are hard to control and consequently fairly inaccurate. The best you are going to do is scare the hell out of someone.
Look at the popularity of the MP5, UMP40, Uzi, etc. All of these guns were designed to be fired in full auto and were designed to be easily controlled. The standard glock pistol, (not the G18) was not designed to be fired in full auto. You can get around this by putting a stock, but you might as well used something that was designed from the ground up to fire full auto.
UZIFORME has a point. A Glock 18 is very controllable on full-auto, but only if you learn how to use it. It's easy to discredit the feasability of a machine pistol, especially if you have never even fired one. A Glock 18 is very concealable, plus it can lay down some pretty serious fire if necessary. It would be very easy to carry a G18 and two 33 rd mags discreetly, and you always have the selector to choose between semi and full-auto. I have spent a good amount of time shooting a converted 17L, and it is relatively easy to fire controlled bursts accurately out to 10-15 yards. Think about, which would you rather carry if you could? Would you choose a 17 when an 18 does everything, plus it is select-fire? Russian, you talk a lot about the 18. Have you ever even shot one, which would at least make you qualified to comment on the usefullness of one?
No, I haven't fired a G18 yet. I'll probably get a chance this Summer (post may dealer sample), but it's still too early to tell. I've fired several variants of the Mac-10. Controlability was poor with all (.45 being the worst) unless you were using the barrel extension/silencer. What led me to believe that the G18 would be less controllable than the Mac-10 is that a larger proportion of the Glock's weight is located in the bolt (slide) than the Mac-10. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
As far as concealability, I'm not too sure about that. 33 rnd sticks are pretty damn long and heavy. If you have a 33rnd mag in the G18 while it's holstered, that's an awfully large/awkward weapon to conceal under normal circumstances.
As far as which I'd rather carry, that's easy - the G17. I still don't believe a machine pistol offers any tactical advantage over either a semi-auto pistol or SMG. From your standpoint, what are the tactical advantages of a machine pistol over either one?
BTW, I wasn't trying to get into a "who's more qualified" debate. I was reacting to UZIFORME's post. I continue to believe that his post is BS.
Its simple to conceal the G18, just use regular 17 rd mags. As far as the 33 rd mags, you could easily carry them (concealed) in a modified shoulder rig. The whole outfit would easily be hidden by a jacket.
Tactical advantages? The tactical advantage is you have a pistol capable of 1250 RPM. That's some serious firepower, especially if you know how to control it. But that doesn't mean the gun has to be fired full-auto all the time. You can leave it on semi until you feel it is necessary to switch. Then the proposed rate would be controlled 3-rd bursts, which can be devestating. In my experience, the first 2 shots typically stayed within the 7 or 8 ring, while the 3rd shot always climbed to the neck area. Two solid shots to the chest, with the possibility of the third hitting the neck or head, is a pretty good man stopper, especially when the three shots hit their target in under 0.5 seconds.
I see your point, but here's my problem with a machine pistol in tactical situations. It's most likely to be used in one of two scenarios:
1. By an entry team during CQB missions.
2. By a security team during an ambush.
For the first scenario, I don't see the advantage for the G18 over an MP5 because concealment is not an issue. While the MP5 is longer and bulkier, it's not so much so that it would impede an entry team member's ability to swing/fire the weapon.
For the second scenario, the G18 has an advantage in concealability, but a disadvantage in controlability. Protection assignments often involve moving the principal in crowded conditions. These conditions greatly increase the likelihood of stray shots wounding or killing innocent bystanders. For that reason alone, I would imagine that most protection details would prefer a suitcase concealed SMG over a holster concealed machine pistol.
Glocker_Guy
06-10-2002, 02:44
The MP5 Has a "mini" setup that is almost as small as a full auto glock, with the added advantage of controllablility based on design.
Things that might make a Glock machine pistol a little more viable than the two that I shot are:
1.) 9mm - the ones I shot were both .40s which have a more recoil and a increased tendency to climb. G18s are 9mm for a reason.
2.) Compensated - Not sure if the G18s are compensated but the 2 .40s I shot were not. I have heard that compensation makes a huge difference.
3.) 30rd Mag - The ones I shot only had a 15 rd mag. The increased weight of a high cap mag would make them more controllable.
Originally posted by AR15'em
Then the proposed rate would be controlled 3-rd bursts, which can be devestating. In my experience, the first 2 shots typically stayed within the 7 or 8 ring, while the 3rd shot always climbed to the neck area. Two solid shots to the chest, with the possibility of the third hitting the neck or head, is a pretty good man stopper, especially when the three shots hit their target in under 0.5 seconds.
Exactly why I'd really like a "burst" setting on a Glock 19 as opposed to full auto. Extra firepower when you need it. :cool:
UZIFORME
06-15-2002, 18:16
No the full auto Glock is not for the general masses but only the qualified who practice.
It's very controlable. I can easily keep a full 30rnd stick on an IPSC target at 15yds. Can group better if I let off the trigger.
With the stock hitting 8" steel plates on semi at 100yds is easy cheezy.
Holstered Glock is very lightweight, Not so carrying a full sized subgun.
So your on the entry team. Now you gotta handcuff someone. Just how do you go about holstering your MP5 while you wrestle with handcuffing the perp? Solution just holster your Glock on your hip and cuff away.
Some wannabees just talk out thier ass without having a clue as to what really goes on.
Originally posted by UZIFORME
So your on the entry team. Now you gotta handcuff someone. Just how do you go about holstering your MP5 while you wrestle with handcuffing the perp? Solution just holster your Glock on your hip and cuff away.
Why is the subgunner handcuffing suspects to begin with? Why aren't he and the shotgunner covering the suspect while other officers cuff them? If, for some reason, he was the only officer that could cuff the suspect at the time, he could either sling the weapon out of his way or cuff the suspect using one hand (use his free hand to cuff the suspect's first hand, use his knee to hold it in place, bring the other hand down towards the first hand and finish cuffing him).
Originally posted by UZIFORME
Some wannabees just talk out thier ass without having a clue as to what really goes on.
How about you drop the condescending attitude and TELL us what really goes on? In your first post, you threw out a series of platitudes while failing to provide any anecdotal evidence to support them. In your second post, you posted some decent information (although it would have been better if supported it with your experience from entry assignments), but ended by taking a cheap shot at everyone else on the thread. If you've got some experience where a G18 served you better than a full size SMG, then just post it.
Mark M33
06-16-2002, 15:07
During my visit to the PI I had the opportunity to fire the 23C with the select fire. Not only did my ears rang but it emptied 15 rounds fast. It was impressive, it is about half an inch more in the rear. Great to have one, when you need to spray, push the knob to the left.M33
UZIFORME
06-16-2002, 19:41
Ok you guys are right. Because of your vast experience in not owning/shooting/carrying/or using the Select Fire Glock every day I was wrong to assume that you were not the resident experts of such things.
Of course there is no purpose for a Select Fire Glock. No it won't fit in my carry holster when I goto the theater at the mall, no it won't fit in the console armrest between the seats no it can't do everything that a semi auto gun will do and more because we all know that someone like me is just into spray and pray and would never shoot in in semi auto.
No a full sized SMG would be much better for all those tasks.
Now don't try to convince me that I am wrong here. I have seen the light, just because I carry one everyday as part of my job does not mean I have a clue what I am talking about. It's all about attitude you know.
Originally posted by UZIFORME
Of course there is no purpose for a Select Fire Glock. No it won't fit in my carry holster when I goto the theater at the mall . . . just because I carry one everyday as part of my job does not mean I have a clue what I am talking about.
Out of curiosity, what SWAT mission were you on at the theatre at the mall? Hostage rescue mission to liberate husbands being forced to watch "The Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood" by their wives?
Glocky McGlock
06-17-2002, 01:24
Originally posted by UZIFORME
I carry one everyday as part of my job
Professional bullet waster?
UZIFORME
06-18-2002, 19:52
I am such a secret and covert mall ninja that they can't even post my picture or identity on
http://www.mallninja.com
ProGlock
06-20-2002, 14:05
The G18 is way over-rated I think. I've even read about people actually considering wanting to join a local police force because they "heard" the department issued them G18s.
Give me an MP5K anyday over a G18.
I got to sit in on a defensive handgun class a few years ago where one of the students with a Class 3 license brought a Glock 19 modified to be select fire. He ran the class back to back, first on semi, then on auto. His trigger control was excellent and he did better than anyone expected on auto, but he did perform better over all on semi. He found there were few situations were it gave him any advantage, but several where it made things harder for him. I feel if he had a real Glock 18, or a compensated model he may have done better. Full auto has its place, but for most of us it's just an amusing feature for plinking purposes. I must admit, I would like to have one if I could, but it would just be a range toy for me.
quicksr20
06-21-2002, 06:46
damn i want that thing..sweet
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