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I dont know much about glocks so im wondering if I should send the gun back to glock or is it common to have warpage on forward section of frame from about mid way on sight rail to front where slide ends. this is a brand new gen 3 g17 and the frame is warped up twords the slide it bugs me but I realize this is a plastic frame, it seems to shoot fine so far however I only bought it to shoot gssf so cosmeticaly I couldnt care less but if its going to cause difficulty later I need to know what I should do or not or can I heat the frame and straighten it?
JS1
tuffcop07
11-06-2007, 10:39
pics please?
The search feature is your friend. :)
Your G17 is completely normal
how the hell do I do that? :)
JS1
The search feature is your friend. :)
Your G17 is completely normal
thanks I sortof tryed a search must have worded it wrong glad its normal now if I can figure out the attachment thing you guys can say for sure one way or the other.
JS1
ok I think I got it here goes nothing...
soundwave
11-06-2007, 11:19
Definitely normal. Some have it, some don't. My 19 has it alot, but my 21 doesn't. Both are 3rd gen, I don't get it. Kinda bugs me too, but they shoot just fine.
BlindBoyJoe
11-06-2007, 11:28
Totally normal. All of my Glocks do that. It is one of those things you think a lot about at first but you will quickly forget about. It is completely fine, just go out and shoot the p*ss out of it! Side
Side Note: The bigger framed Glocks (i.e. G21, G30, G29, G20) don't seem to do this as bad as the smaller framed Glocks.
Wiskey_33
11-06-2007, 11:35
My G29 didn't have it when i bought it,but the more I shoot it, the more it "curls" towards the barrel....
Oh well...not worried about it.
well glad thats the way it is I will try and live with it thanks guys.
my g30 is straight as it can be and with an x200 weapon light on the 17 it does line it up higher than with my g30 which is lined up perfectly with the sights but the 17 will never see the light on it anyway so as long as its normal I will forget about it some day I hope. thanks again all :)
JS1
thorn137
11-06-2007, 12:12
My G29 didn't have it when i bought it,but the more I shoot it, the more it "curls" towards the barrel....
Oh well...not worried about it.
Your gun's frame changes shape the more you shoot it, and you're not worried about it?
thorn
BlindBoyJoe
11-06-2007, 12:53
Your gun's frame changes shape the more you shoot it, and you're not worried about it?
thorn
Why should he be? It is just the dust cover. Shoot the the thing, it will go BANG! every time.
thorn137
11-06-2007, 13:08
Well... my car starts every time i put the key in it, too. But if the hood started warping and changing shape the more I drove it, I'd start to worry.
thorn
If it really bugs you, there's a fix. A few people on this forum have put the dust cover (accessory rail) in boiling water for 45 seconds to 1 minute (I think!) and then successfully straightened it out against a counter top or something flat. Try a search using "dust cover" or something like that and see if you get anything.
Well... my car starts every time i put the key in it, too. But if the hood started warping and changing shape the more I drove it, I'd start to worry.
thorn
With your car, that would be something to worry about! -- good come-back, btw.
Plastic expands and contracts quite a bit. The warpage-with-use may be the result of non-uniform heating from firing, and thus non-uniform expansion/contraction. Over time, maybe this results in some permanent warpage (which wouldn't be out of the question for thermoplastics). It could also be the result of a small amount of residual stress (that is present from its cooling process -- which again could be non-uniform) that is relieved over time with useage and causes the dust cover to warp. (????)
In any case, unless cracks were forming or the warpage was interfering with the function of the slide, it's probably just cosmetic.
If it really bugs you, there's a fix. A few people on this forum have put the dust cover (accessory rail) in boiling water for 45 seconds to 1 minute (I think!) and then successfully straightened it out against a counter top or something flat. Try a search using "dust cover" or something like that and see if you get anything.
ok thanks thats what I was wondering I just didnt want to try fixing a gun that may have been a factory defect or something. (even though thats what it is imo) I may take my chances and heat it someday...if I think about it...when I have spare time...or it starts bugging me.
JS1
If it really bugs you, there's a fix. A few people on this forum have put the dust cover (accessory rail) in boiling water for 45 seconds to 1 minute (I think!) and then successfully straightened it out against a counter top or something flat. Try a search using "dust cover" or something like that and see if you get anything.
I have done this and it worked great. I haven't noticed any additional warping more than 2k rounds later.
Don't worry.....go shoot!
I don't remember anyone here EVER having a functional problem due to whether the dust cover of their Glock was touching the slide or not, and I doubt there ever will be.
Some think there's 'too much gap' and others think there isn't enough!
I think that if you want something pretty to look at, go buy a revolver or a 1911, and when it comes to Glocks, If it works, you don't need to fix it!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/patriot.gif
Don't worry.....go shoot!
I don't remember anyone here EVER having a functional problem due to whether the dust cover of their Glock was touching the slide or not, and I doubt there ever will be.
Some think there's 'too much gap' and others think there isn't enough!
I think that if you want something pretty to look at, go buy a revolver or a 1911, and when it comes to Glocks, If it works, you don't need to fix it!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/patriot.gif
ok Butch lol I get it it will get shoot plenty! :) it is going to be my main gssf gun anyway I am recently a converted 1911 comp shooter to glock fanatic so straight and tight and pretty and expensive are what I am used to these polymer combat pistols take some getting used to for me anyway but I am enjoying every minute of it!
btw I wouldnt trade my g30 for 10-1911's now lol it will shoot with the best of them and absolutely everybody that shoots mine wants one too, its unreal how accurate it is I love that pistol its my cch weapon and I dont go anywhere without it.
JS1
OverToad
11-06-2007, 15:46
I fixed 3 of mine without using boiling water.
I used a tissue box and tore a few pieces off and stuck them in on both sides at the muzzle and let it set a few days and that did the trick.
don't shoot that thing send it to me ASAP
NEO Clevelander
11-06-2007, 22:38
If it really bugs you, there's a fix. A few people on this forum have put the dust cover (accessory rail) in boiling water for 45 seconds to 1 minute (I think!) and then successfully straightened it out against a counter top or something flat. Try a search using "dust cover" or something like that and see if you get anything.
I know it's only cosmetic, and doesn't seem to hurt the function, but it kind of bothered me when my new G19 had the warp, and other NIB 19s I've seen don't, so I fixed it. Took maybe 5 minutes and it looks nearly perfect.
If anyone's interested, here's how I did it:
Clear the weapon and field strip.
Bring small pot of water to boil, then shut off the heat.
Wait about 2 minutes.
Dunk the dustcover in the water for 45-60 seconds.
Press the upside-down dustcover against a counter or other flat surface and hold it there for ~20-30 seconds.
Check for straightness with a ruler or other straight-edge. You may want to go a bit past straight as it will tend to creep back up over the next day or so.
Boiling water, frame immersed to just before the rails, hold for a minute, and press inverted frame on the ceramic stove top. Dunk and tweak as necessary.
Let cool. Blast with canned air.
I've tweaked all three of our Glocks this way, added "butt plugs" from Glockmeister, and I must say, they all look better!
All three guns function exactly as before.
Note: Holstering can cause the problem to recur--but not as much!
--Ray
I will give the hot water a shot thanks all! man I had no idea this was so common of all the people I know that shoot them its never been mentioned to me but then I wasnt in the "brotherhood" at the time haha this is on a need to know basis apparently. :)
JS1
Wiskey_33
11-07-2007, 09:27
Your gun's frame changes shape the more you shoot it, and you're not worried about it?
thorn
No,
not worried about it at all. It's plastic.
If my car did the same thing, I'd kick my self in the pants for buying a plastic car...sorry Saturn.
CW
danielsand
11-07-2007, 18:48
I gave one of mine the "boiling water - marble countertop" treatment and it's perfect two years later. This is a quick fix. You can also drive two toothpicks from the front between the dust cove and the slide, and leave the weapon in the sun (here in AZ it works like magic!). This is much longer process, but it works too.
If it really bugs you, there's a fix. A few people on this forum have put the dust cover (accessory rail) in boiling water for 45 seconds to 1 minute (I think!) and then successfully straightened it out against a counter top or something flat.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Happy%20Faces/0531hamtaro.gif
You can also drive two toothpicks from the front between the dust cove and the slide, and leave the weapon in the sun (here in AZ it works like magic!). This is much longer process, but it works too.
I'm thinking a hair blower might be a workable alternative to the hot water or sun method.
K
Hot water, blow dryers, tooth picks, what is this, GT or a crafts store?:) It's a cosmetic issue, don't sweat it.
My G21 had that right from Glock and it bothered me for the first day until I saw almost every Glock in the store looked like that. I don't even think about it now :)
ALL GLOCK
11-08-2007, 08:23
Hot water, blow dryers, tooth picks, what is this, GT or a crafts store?:) It's a cosmetic issue, don't sweat it.
Some people expect quality..................Most dont, unfortunately.
If you bought a new car that had door dings all over it, would you be upset?
My theory on this is................ dont buy any "new" Glocks, and look for "older" ones that were constructed with care.
Cosmetics do mean things to some people.
Hot water, blow dryers, tooth picks, what is this, GT or a crafts store?:) It's a cosmetic issue, don't sweat it.
LOL. Good point. I always try to look for the silver lining. My G19's dustrail is slightly upswept. Would I rather it was laser straight? Sure, but I simply convince myself that upswept is better than drooped down. That would really look dorky. Besides, when viewed from the front, a dust cover that just, or almost, touches the slide looks better. See, there you go, now it's a positive.
K
My theory on this is................ dont buy any "new" Glocks, and look for "older" ones that were constructed with care.
I sure hope you're kidding...... :)
Yes, this gun works VERY well, I wouldn't even consider cooking it....or stick toothpics in it.....or blow dry it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/AP9xxUS-G17.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/patriot.gif
Butch,
Is that what the original textured grip looked like? When did they go to the current patterned grip, gen 2?
K
Had to tweak the dust cover on my G19. The upward bend bugged the crap out of me. Used the hot water method to heat then pressed the dust cover against the kitchen counter so it would hold its position. Use a ruler along the frame from front to back and you can tell if all is in alignment. Adjust until you are happy.
FWIW, the warping occurs during the cooling process after the frame is released from the mold.
green marauder
11-11-2007, 09:36
who came up with heating polymer to straighten them after working on almost only big trucks for the last 8 years i know that heat is how i take hoods ,doors apart for repair or straightening and is the propper way to do it . (but a little to much or to long and the product starts to seperate ) and you buy new part $$$. is there a link from glock/armorer to view, or is this somthing someone tried after a few beers
Butch,
Is that what the original textured grip looked like? When did they go to the current patterned grip, gen 2?
K
Yup, that's the first generation 'pebble' grip. The second generation guns with the 'grenade' checkering started in late 87/early 88, and the third gens (grooves and rails) came along in late 97/early 98.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/3G17s.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/patriot.gif
Thanks. I didn't even realize the thumb groove was a gen 3 thing until I saw your pic. Shows how observant I am. LOL.
K
ALL GLOCK
11-11-2007, 14:05
I sure hope you're kidding...... :)
Yes, this gun works VERY well, I wouldn't even consider cooking it....or stick toothpics in it.....or blow dry it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/AP9xxUS-G17.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/patriot.gif
Nope.... Not kidding.
I have learned a lot from asking this question and as I expected you guys know your stuff this was the right place to ask thanks for enlightening me I feel better about the next glock I buy! I probably wont straighten my 17 since its purpose is shooting gssf match's but am watching my 30 which I carry daily in a holster and it gets the light attached every nite and if it warped it will get the treatment because the weapon light is so perfectly lined up with the nite sights now I would hate to loose that.
btw: since I posted this Q I am looking close at all the glocks I see and have noticed even some of the advertisers using glocks in their adds either don't notice or don't care that the dust cover is warped on their model guns its kindof funny you would think they would be picky but apparently they don't see it or even think about it just one of those things I guess.
JS1
NEO Clevelander
11-12-2007, 16:19
who came up with heating polymer to straighten them after working on almost only big trucks for the last 8 years i know that heat is how i take hoods ,doors apart for repair or straightening and is the propper way to do it . (but a little to much or to long and the product starts to seperate ) and you buy new part $$$. is there a link from glock/armorer to view, or is this somthing someone tried after a few beers
I don't think anyone "official" would give their opinion on whether this is intentional or a manufacturing defect, let alone tell you this method to "fix" it. I read about it on here without much specifics, and I figured I'd give it a try, and it happened to work first time temperature/time-wise. Others obviously did it before me, and it worked for them.
green marauder
11-12-2007, 17:05
I don't think anyone "official" would give their opinion on whether this is intentional or a manufacturing defect, let alone tell you this method to "fix" it. I read about it on here without much specifics, and I figured I'd give it a try, and it happened to work first time temperature/time-wise. Others obviously did it before me, and it worked for them.
thanks i was just wondering, like i said i work with that kind of stuff all of the time and have learned sometimes you just need to try things out to see if it works . didnt know if there was a book i could buy that had that kind of info in it .
My G29 didn't have it when i bought it,but the more I shoot it, the more it "curls" towards the barrel....
Oh well...not worried about it.Curling Glocks?
Yeah, normal. Don't worry about it.
BlenderWizard
03-10-2008, 21:29
Strangely (and coincidentally), I just fixed mine before I got on just now.
Yeah, those older Glocks never suffered from a "problem" like frame warping. They were constructed with too much care. :rofl:
JC! This is purely a cosmetic issue. I've seen many 1st and 2nd generation pistols with the same "bent" forward frame. There is no functional issue here. If you don't like it, apparently the fix is easy.
lastevolution
03-10-2008, 22:32
Any bending of the rail is normal.
I've had a few that were perfectly straight though.
Any bending of the rail is normal.
Happens on steel guns too.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/surreal-pistol-2-1.jpg
Yeah, those older Glocks never suffered from a "problem" like frame warping. They were constructed with too much care. :rofl:
I quite agree. :rofl:
Here are four of those early Glocks, all first generation:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/Four1stG17s.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/Four1stG17s002.jpg
:patriot:
Interesting, the frame/rail being bent is more than a cosmetic issue with me. I bought a new G19 3rd gen and put my laser/light on it and zeroed in. A few weeks ago I bought a used G32 3rd gen, and decided to use it as a bedside bump in the night response. The rail was so off that I would have to make severe adjustments in order for the laser to be functional. I'll try the fix. Regards
Wiskey_33
03-11-2008, 06:47
The way I see it is this:
Does it keep the pistol from working properly? No.
Does it make the pistol unsafe? No.
Take it out and shoot it. That's what it's for. Not for pondering.
Wiskey
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