View Full Version : Will the U.S. ever allow FA for civilians again?
MakeMineaP99
05-08-2002, 12:44
Will the U.S. ever allow FA for civilians again? I just want to hear what other GTer's opinions about FA in the hands of civilians are. Lasty, I would like to know why you support the position that you do. Personally I'm all for all types of firearms (magizines)in the hands of civilians. This includes FA. We trust are government and LE to possess these weapons. It is high time they trusted us with them! ;I
Originally posted by MakeMineaP99
Will the U.S. ever allow FA for civilians again?
It IS allowed, just not in all states, and you have to register it, which is a load of BS. Oklahoma, for example, is a Class III state.
Brandon_7
05-08-2002, 14:53
I think he means new machine guns to be imported
The answer is no way in hell. Its expotenially more difficult to get laws taken off the books than it is to put them on the books.
We have a better bet of reversing the high cap ban, but even that is a long shot.
Ah, I see.
Well, don't forget, while it may be hard, it is possible. Just look at the recent reversal of the opinion that the 2nd is only a collective right. :)
FYI the Hi-Cap ban expires in 2004 and will die if no one renews it or passes something else like it. Being an election year, it would be political suicide for any candidate to take sides on this issue. If we push hard enough, it might just die and we could have the ability to buy standard capacity magazines again at normal prices.
I'm trying to see if I can muster interest in pushing for class III ownership here in Michigan and hope someone gets the ball rolling soon. If I had the cash, I'd do it myself but still need the support of fellow gun owners here.
It might be possible to argue that the laws restricting new MGs to LE and military only violate the civil rights of who are not rich, i.e the average working American. Who knows...........
Ted
I seriously doubt the hicap magazine ban won't be renewed. While unfair, the public view is that there is no reason a non-LEO needs more than 10 rounds in a magazine.
Brandon_7
05-09-2002, 05:01
Does the assualt weapon ban expire at the same time? Assuming it does, I think a good divide and conquer stradegy could be succesful. If the Republicans have control of the house and senate in 04(good chance), they should praise the sucess of the assualt weapon(which really hasnt hit your average gun nut too hard in the wallet) ban and introduce a bill that renews that portion and and doesnt renew the high cap ban.
A good propaganda war showing how easy it is to still get high cap bans, at a much inflated price. Then point out that a detirimend criminal will ALWAYS be able to get a high cap magizine no matter what laws are passed.
If that doesnt work, another track would seperating pistol and rifle magizines. Ban high cap rifle magizines, but allow high cap pistol mags. That is where we really take it on the chin. AK and M16 mags are pretty cheap. There are so many AK mags in the world that the ban hasnt raised the prices. But its the high cap pistol mags that are expensive. Plus most pistol mags are only a few rounds over the 10 round limit.
In the wake of 9-11, America has become more pro gun. Its a long shot, but hopefully Ole Chucky Heston can bring us home a victory.
RenegadeGlocker
05-09-2002, 06:21
No, I do not think the FA ban will be changed. There are not enough gun owners in the FA shooting circles to make a difference.
And since the NRA was in favor of the ban, you will get no help from them either.
G31C Pistolpete
05-12-2002, 14:59
JJJESUS,
THE USA SUCKS!
They (all them POS in other countries) can own FA's. Do I need to name them all? Listen THIS IS B.S.! I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA! the gun laws here are the worst! Why can I buys HI-Cap Mags ANYWHERE on the internet? Dont make me mention the sources!
The US govt is a corrupt system full of BS! LOL
I buried My AK and registered my AR.
WTF is the deal? When the time comes we will end up victorious!
Why is it so hard to understand the the reason we are here is because of our ability to use and make the best firearms the time has to offer.................what would we be if we were ALL liberal dikes like my mother in law? we'd be in the same situation as afganstan or the ex USSR.
I guess I am rambling?
I make a few points but mostly leave myself open to flaming, flame on.
Does it bother you that I can make a "kill" shot at 800 meters? or that I know how to make my "weapons" FA?
How many others can? ALOT!
these guns laws are BS
WE are America WE control who we put in office!
If you are ignorant enought to put them in office you are ignorant enought to accept the BS laws the put into effect!
Civil war would do THIS country good
......I have been drinking does it show? LOFL;f ;c ;c ;c ;c ;c ;c ;c :D ;m
rbaker2778
05-12-2002, 16:33
Originally posted by Tedfs30
It might be possible to argue that the laws restricting new MGs to LE and military only violate the civil rights of who are not rich, i.e the average working American. Who knows...........
Ted
NO such argument my friend. Wealth is not considered a suspect classification by the supreme court like race is. All the states would have to argue in a non-suspect classification case is that the is a rational connection betweeen a law and a legitimate state interest, ie safety. Furthermore, laws that are discriminatory in effect have never been overruled unless their purpose was to discriminate. Therefore, you would have to show that the legislature was purposefully trying to discriminate against the poor with its machine gun ban. It would never work.
Therefore, you would have to show that the legislature was purposefully trying to discriminate against the poor with its machine gun ban. It would never work.
Market forces (fixed supply vs rising demand) determine machine gun prices, not legislation. The only way you would have a leg to stand on was if the legislature set a minimum price for machine gun sales. FYI, a Thompson SMG cost $200 in the 1930's. That's more like $2000-3000 today. Also, the tax stamp for machineguns has been $200 since 1934. Therefore, machinegun ownership was reserved for the semi-wealthy from the beginning.
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