Why does High Point suck? [Archive]

texas_rifle

11-29-2007, 21:31

hi points are decent for the price...

hi point are more known for their most reliable guns which are their carbines rifles (9mm and 40S&W) rather than their pistols

their pistols can be best ranked as a trunk/truck gun or just a range gun. If I only had the money to spend for a hi point, I would rather have that than a stick. But they are no where near the quality as a ruger, Sig, Glock, Colt, etc.... But for less than half the price they are worth buying somewhat..

as said above from a previous poster they have a no hassle warranty for the original owner till the 100th owner, and all you have to pay is the shipping. Hi Point will usually give you a spare mag or two to justify the cost of the shipping when you get your gun back. So buy the gun if it for some reason doesn't work ship it to them and you will get a "new" back once they upgrade everything for free.

they do not use the best materials on the market for their weapons but for the price dont think they are dangerous to shot or anything like that cause they can handle +p+ ammo. most people will call them trash due to price and the name you get labeled as a "thug" by the gun snobs but for some people who dont have the funds for better quality pistols they serve a purpose on giving everyone access to a self defense weapon. Would i choose one over my glocks or colts... NO

me personally I only own 2 995 carbine rifles and they are great for a truck guns. I keep one in my truck cause i really dont care if it gets beat up or scratched up, plus it goes bang everytime I need it to. it is just high on the ugly meter, but as long as it works I really dont care.

-gunut-

11-29-2007, 21:39

The ones I have seen are not very reliable. Though, some talk about them working pretty well. They are ugly as sin. They are also huge and heavy since they are blow back in popular calibers. The .45 is HUGE. The only highpoint I would buy is the carbine and I can't find a use for even that.

As long as it is reliable it will work fine if you don't have the cash to get something better.

Carmen

11-29-2007, 21:40

Ah well if they're big and bulky with a 380, what's the point? I mean I'd want a 380 b/c it's so tiny. Ah well. Too bad it's a good price;) thanks

Dan

11-29-2007, 21:41

Hi Points is like a real ugly hooker.

They are ugly, cheap, and people embarrased to use them, but they still get the job done.

:laughabove:

Andy W

11-29-2007, 21:45

My dad has a Hi-Point .380 and it doesn't consistently feed hollowpoints. It works just fine will FMJ ammo though.

standerson

11-29-2007, 21:46

I had one of the 9mm carbines for awhile. It shot decent, just not for me.

Corntooth

11-29-2007, 22:01

$100 for a used Hi Point .380 is like paying 10,000 for a 20 year old Yugo.

:usaf:

ndbullet500

11-29-2007, 22:48

Ah well if they're big and bulky with a 380, what's the point? I mean I'd want a 380 b/c it's so tiny. Ah well. Too bad it's a good price;) thanks

The .380 Hi-Point is the same size as the 9mm "Compact", but with the added bonus of less power and higher cost per round. Also, you can get a brand new Hi-Point .380 for ~$100. So that is not a good price at all for a used one, IMHO.

ndbullet500

11-29-2007, 23:08

I left off the specific issues that OP requested: the mags are cheaply made and don't always position the nose of the round so that it clears the abbreviated feed ramp. I am familiar with the 9mm, not the .380 specifically, so the slightly shorter round may avoid that issue. Or not.

A sharp rap to the rear of the mag before loading helps with 1st-2nd round feeding, but the main things that help are smoothing out the mag lips which is fast and easy, and learning which ammo has OAL and bullet nose profiles that lead to problems feeding, specifically the nose of the round diving when it hits the feed ramp. The dimensions of the mags are not uniform, and may need to be adjusted to prevent rounds from standing up and causing a failure to feed. If they do stand up, it is almost always a simple and quick matter of (1) breaking the edge of the mag lips with fine grit sandpaper, and/or (2) bending the little ears that guide the nose of the round so they do their job properly.

The difference is reliability in feeding different ammo was extreme in my experience. Two rounds of Blazer would not feed back to back because of the aluminum cases dragging on the mag lips/next round, but you could stack the mag with alternating blazer/blazer brass and have no problems. Winchester White Box that was NOT Winchester USA would average 10% of rounds diving, whereas Winchester USA White Box feeds without problem.

In 2000 rounds fired through a 9mm Hi-Point, I had very few issues with ammo that was Hi-Point friendly, perhaps 2-3 total. But I couldn't finish a mag without a stoppage with some ammo.

If they ever redesign the mags or tighten QC on them, or if they have since mine was produced, they will vastly improve the reliability of the firearms, at least 9mm pistol.

Sarge45

11-29-2007, 23:47

If I was dirt poor and needed a gun I would consider one. Since I'm not, thank goodness I'll never have to.

jpc9160

11-30-2007, 00:25

FACTS....

-comparing a Hi-Point to a Jennings/Lorcin/NAA is like comparing a pinto to a lambo
-they make excellent paperweights & anchors
-Dissassembly is easy, just keep shooting it, it'll come apart
-Lifetime warranty...noone owns these things more than a week, much less a lifetime
-you could probably convince a perp. that your .380 is infact a 12 gauge pistol by it size

haha I'm just kidding, don't take any of that seriously, I'm not trying to offend anyone.
anyone else got some jokes similar? yes, JOKES. don't get your panties in a wad....just looking for a laugh

OKgetdown

11-30-2007, 00:40

I have shot a couple. They were OK. They functioned as they were supposed to. Only fired FMJ through it. I say buy the damned thing, its 100 bucks.

racine

11-30-2007, 06:30

Hi Points is like a real ugly hooker.

They are ugly, cheap, and people embarrased to use them, but they still get the job done.

:rofl: Hit the nail on the head! And you thought glocks were ugly...:supergrin:

JohnJak

11-30-2007, 06:33

They suck.

Another Miller

11-30-2007, 11:36

Theyre big and bulky because of the design,they dont operate like most autos.

Ive shot one and though it was ok for the 75 bucks he wanted,I didnt buy it.It just didnt feel like the autos Im used to shooting.It fed some early ww2 vintage 45 acp ammo pretty good,accuracy was not the best and Id rather be able to hit my target and have the gun work.

100 bucks is a bit much for a used one,esp in 380.The ammo is going to be as expensive as 9mm with less punch so take ammo costs into consideration.If I had nothing else and wanted a plinker, Id get it but not for 100 bucks,more like 70 tops,mainly because of caliber and secondary, the materials/design its made from,right with the actual cost of making one.

bulwaagh

11-30-2007, 12:11

The only things that suck about a high point is their looks.

Pros:
They go bang once broken in
Good manufacturer support

cons:
they are not pleasing to my eye
Bore axis is a tad high for my tastes
Gritty trigger
magazine prices are a little "up there"

As others have said, $100 seems overpriced for that model since you can get a new one for, quite literally, just a few dollars more.\

I've fired a few boxes of rounds through their 9mm models, one well used (no function issues) and a new compact model which had some feeding issues. I presumed it just needed a few more rounds thrown downrange until it evened itself out.

WellArmedSheep

11-30-2007, 12:12

I have a buddy with one that he bought new for $89 (in 9mm). As far as accuracy goes, it's pretty good. Reliability was fine too in the few rounds that I put through it. Longevity is still out for deliberation, however.

JoeDoe22

11-30-2007, 12:57

Well, since nobody else will admit it, I own a Hi Point 45. I saw it in the consignment area of my local gun shop for $50 and bought it.

Its ugly, its heavy, and it doesn't feed JHP very well so it could never be a 1st or 2nd choice for HD...however it has never failed with 230gr ball ammo at the range and for the price I paid for it im sure I couldn't have done any better.

Its nowhere near the quality of my P94 or my XD9sc but for the range its just fine.

CBennett

11-30-2007, 13:38

For me its just looks and the SIZE of the gun...Nasty looking and they are just HUGE.

soboshooter

11-30-2007, 15:42

I have a Model c9 9mm and I love it, it has been super reliable with only 2 misfeeds in approx 1500 rounds now. Both HP and FMJ feed very well, but I use only remington and winchesters (white box)...the 2 misfeeds came from a box of federals and that was the first 50 rounds I shot in the pistol. I like the overall look, sure it's not "pretty" but pretty doesn't always get the job done.

I.B.M.

11-30-2007, 16:06

The Hi-Points are used by many of the "gang-bangers" and other assorted "homeboys" and thugs.........some of the parts are made out of pot metal too. I have heard many people talk about them going "bang" reliably, but I just couldn't ever stake my life on one of them and feel good about it. They are cheap, bulky, and unwieldy. I would buy one if I could get it for say, anything between $20 to $40 bucks. Then, next time one of these cities has a "gun buyback" program where they give you $100 for any gun, no questions asked, I'd make sure and show up with my Hi-Point. Heck, I ought to start scouring the pawn shops and try to get as many of them as cheap as I can and show up with a whole bag full of them & cash in! :rofl:

If you can only afford $100 right now to buy a gun.........scrimp and save in any way you can (eat out a couple fewer days a week or something) then scrounge the extra $40-$50 and add it to the $100 you already have and get you a PA-63 in 9mm Makarov or try to save another $100 and get a Bulgarian Makarov or a CZ-82 in 9mm Makarov........ANY of those pistols I just mentioned would be 10 times better than a Hi-Point. AIM Surplus has the CZ-82's and also the Romanian Tokarevs in 7.62x25 for just over $200.....They all work. Just don't give $100 for a freaking USED Hi-Point....IF you just HAVE TO have it NOW, offer him $40 tops and be done with it.

zoyter2

11-30-2007, 18:40

ndbullet500

11-30-2007, 18:59

Zoyter2, Glocktalk's own modern day Ambrose Bierce. But more alive. :)

Turtle Dude

11-30-2007, 19:35

They are popular among the mopes in Ohio-some think tha since they are made in ohio they can beat the interstate commerce nexus needed in several federal criminal charges (one was a bit shocked when we noted that the bullets in the gun were made by Winchester and had indeed moved in interstate commerce from Illinois)

these things have the worst ergonomics of any pistols I have ever handled and that is several hundred different models

CajunBass

11-30-2007, 19:57

Ah well if they're big and bulky with a 380, what's the point? I mean I'd want a 380 b/c it's so tiny. Ah well. Too bad it's a good price;) thanks

I'm a big Hi-Point fan. I've got a 9mm that runs like a watch. For a 9mm it's not really a lot bigger if any than a couple of other 9mm's I've got. (Actually it's not much bigger than my Makarov.) But the 380 is the same size. It's the same gun actually except for the chambering. As such I really can't see any sense in the .380. You get the same size gun as the 9mm, but the ammo cost a lot more.

Also $100.00 isn't a very good price for a used .380. You can buy a new one for that, or just a little more. They really don't hold their value well because of that. I might pay $50.00 for a used one, but no more. Any more, and I'd just buy a new 9mm one. The 40 and the 45 are rather big and bulky, but the 9mm isn't too bad.

these things have the worst ergonomics of any pistols I have ever handled and that is several hundred different models

I find the 9mm and probably the .380 to be rather comfortable for me. I'm not as impressed with the 40/45. They are a bit like a cordless drill.

bigghoss

11-30-2007, 20:01

from a reliability/value standpoint they're great. from an ergonomics/looks/weight standpoint they suck more than a shop-vac

Doc14

11-30-2007, 20:19

they make a great "drop gun"

zoyter2

11-30-2007, 21:54

Zoyter2, Glocktalk's own modern day Ambrose Bierce. But more alive. :)

And there are those who would count this as a tragedy! :supergrin:

Warp

11-30-2007, 22:30

Hi Point handguns are generally under rated.

Not by a lot...

Dang those things are FUGLY! Might be worth shopping around for a used one to look at in case you ever think your Glock is ugly. Damn things make my Glock look like a piece of art. :rofl:

Blitzer

12-01-2007, 07:13

If I was dirt poor and needed a gun I would consider one. Since I'm not, thank goodness I'll never have to.

I have learned the hard way not to say I will never do something, it has a way of walking up behind me and biting me on the arse when I least expected it!

A friend has both the 9mm carbine and pistol. He hasn't had any issues with them for over three years now. The pistol goes on the road with him and he doesn't care if it gets taken, after a good shoot, for a ballistics check. The carbine stock tends to deform a little and the halves open up near the butt stock and pinch your jaw or cheek when firing.
:wow: :shocked::faint:

bigghoss

12-01-2007, 09:23

I was in my local gun shop once and a guy brought in a .45 hi-point to sell and the owner offered him $50 wich is reasonable because he still has to sell, it but man was I tempted to jump in and snatch it. but I had just gotten one for my dad and I didn't like it much. now I have a much nicer ruger 345 and a colt 1991a1. my dad did manage to break one of his grips but other than that he has no complaints with either his .45 or my step-mom's 9mm

aaronrkelly

12-01-2007, 10:37

The only thing *I* have against HiPoint pistols is they are bulkier then most others. In *MY* eyes this would preclude it from being a good carry gun.

I would use one for a house, range or truck gun in a minute..no issues with the 2 carbines I own or the pistols that a few of my friends own.

Jbar4Ranch

12-01-2007, 10:50

I have yet to be able to induce a failure of any kind in either of two C9's after several hundred rounds. One was $99 and one was $109. Scheels's in Great Falls had them on sale last year for $89... I should have bought a few more for stocking stuffers.

They are a little bigger, heavier, and bulkier than other comparable guns, but not overly so. Here's a C-9 alongside my G26.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/jbar4ranch/Hi-PointC-9002.jpg

cktad

12-06-2007, 17:58

I bought a .45 JHP model HP last year just for the fun of it. So far it is accurate and reliable. It is big, ugly and the trigger sucks but for the money it's not bad. The warranty is good, it's made in the USA and it's cheap. I would never use one as a CCW but I don't need too as I have other pistols for that. They make a great truck or knock around gun because if you drop it in the lake you ain't lost much. There are many other guns that are close to the HP in price and a better buy such as the CZ-52, PA-63, CZ-82 and others I can't think of. Too bad the Makarovs got pricey as they used to be great buys for less tha $100.

ashtxsniper

12-06-2007, 18:52

If you want a really good 380 get a Bersa Thunder 380 they can be had from Academy Sports and Outdoors for right around $200. They are very accurate and carry well if you don't mind the lack of power.

osiruscyn

12-06-2007, 18:58

i have seen a hi point in action and basically the gun jammed almost every round. The guy brought the gun out to the guy at the counter to help clear a jam. The guy at the counter cleared it and there was a live round still in the chamber when he brought it out. The gun damn near fell apart after the jam was cleared.

I personallly, will never own one after that, even though their rep seems to be improving.

I.B.M.

12-06-2007, 21:07

I have literally seen the Hi-Points fall apart before my very eyes. Once at a gun store that I used to frequent, I watched as a salesman attempted to show a prospective customer one of those fine NIB Hi-Points and I remember seeing one of the pins fall out of it and then something else came off the gun. Somewhat daunted, I must admit, the salesman reached down to grab another NIB Hi-Point and this time something else broke on this second gun. Needless to say the customer decided not to purchase one. I managed to talk him into getting something a little "better"..........I saw behind the counter there in fact several boxes of BROKEN Hi-Points, Jennings, Lorcins, etc., all returned (NIB guns, mind you) by dissatisfied customers with all sorts of parts broken off or missing on them.

I truly feel SORRY for anyone who can't afford anything better to protect their lives and that of their families' lives with...........Bless their hearts, everyone who is a good and decent person should have access to something that he or she can afford to protect life and limb with.

I have also seen Berettas fall apart too (or at least the mags)........one time someone was looking at a NIB Beretta Tomcat at this same shop that sold all the defective "pot metal" guns, and the dog-gone mag floorplate fell off the mag and the spring flew out, as soon as it was pulled from the gun. Strange indeed.

Jbar4Ranch

12-06-2007, 21:14

noway

12-06-2007, 21:27

I.B.M.

12-06-2007, 21:47

Oh, come on. In this day and age where roughly half the population of the United States makes their living through litigation and lawsuits, how can you come up with crap like this? "Fall apart before my very eyes" "Boxes of broken High Points" Give me a break. High Point wouldn't be in business a week if this were even remotely close to true.

Well, I didn't say it was YESTERDAY, that I saw this, and in fact it was more like maybe 10-12 years ago. I am sure that since then their "QC" (if that is what you want to call it) has improved............Next time why don't you read the post a little better? I said it was in a gun shop that I used to frequent, (past-tense)......And no, I didn't just come up with it, I saw it with my own two eyes. Some of those guns were also probably broken by ignorant dumb-ass owners who didn't know how to properly handle or field strip their weapons, etc. Some of the broken guns sitting in the boxes were also Davises, Lorcins, Ravens, etc........correct me if I am wrong, (and I am sure that you WILL)........but I DO believe that SOME of those companies ARE NOW out of business, no? I have no reason to lie about this crap. If you LOVE Hi-Points then fine, I really don't care........many people like them. I like Rugers, and some don't, who cares?

pangris

12-06-2007, 22:34

ditto

i've known a few people with HP and they all go BOOM. The metal is funny to the touch, the gun is not modern or taek advantage of any modern technology but it will kill you just as good as any 700dollar sig.

If it kills you, and a 3rd hand $50 HP that is making its way around the gang like a hot potato kills you... you are just as dead as if you got hit by a train.

pangris

12-06-2007, 22:36

I like Rugers, and some don't, who cares?

Of the 50,000 people on this board... 32,494 care.

I'm one of them - let me tell you a little something about Rugers... :tongueout:

ndbullet500

12-07-2007, 13:41

Of the 50,000 people on this board... 32,494 care.

I'm one of them - let me tell you a little something about Rugers... :tongueout:

Baa-zing! :rofl:

Don't forget to tip your waitress folks.

Z71bill

12-07-2007, 14:41

Hi-Point is better than

3.2 (beer that is)

Does anyone even make 3.2 beer anymore? Been 30 years since I had 3.2 flu

James Markov

12-08-2007, 19:17

James Markov

12-08-2007, 19:34

Well, I didn't say it was YESTERDAY, that I saw this, and in fact it was more like maybe 10-12 years ago. I am sure that since then their "QC" (if that is what you want to call it) has improved............Next time why don't you read the post a little better? I said it was in a gun shop that I used to frequent, (past-tense)......And no, I didn't just come up with it, I saw it with my own two eyes. Some of those guns were also probably broken by ignorant dumb-ass owners who didn't know how to properly handle or field strip their weapons, etc. Some of the broken guns sitting in the boxes were also Davises, Lorcins, Ravens, etc........correct me if I am wrong, (and I am sure that you WILL)........but I DO believe that SOME of those companies ARE NOW out of business, no? I have no reason to lie about this crap. If you LOVE Hi-Points then fine, I really don't care........many people like them. I like Rugers, and some don't, who cares?
Thanks for the additional information about Hi-Point guns...you know the Hi-Points that I have shot have preformed well enough. I never had the stones to take one apart-just sprayed out the action with some Rem-oil, ran a couple q-tips thru the action, ran a couple patches thru the bore, let it drip dry and shot again the next day. I wonder how Hi-point owners deal with sand when shooting in places like Nevada, California, and Arizona?

Target Shooter

12-08-2007, 19:35

I don't personaly care for them but my Dad has Three of their carbines and praises them.
I guess the carbines are a decent choice for the price.

James Markov

12-08-2007, 21:37

There are a dedicated group of shooters here and for those guys, and gals buying a Sig, or a Glock, or even a Ruger makes sense-you shoot a lot, whether being in competition, as a police officer, or a person who is a reloader. You need a weapon which will last many tens of thousands of rounds.
However, there is another group out there which is very sizable. Thats the blue collar backyard shooter. They shoot 3 times a year-maybe 200-300 shots a year with a 9mm, more with a .22 rifle or pistol. With 9mm at 15 bucks per hundred, and no police dept to buy the latest exotic hollow points these guys shoot ball ammo, cause its what they can afford. Or they shoot gun show reloads, or A-merc ammo. People say that your gun must last 30 thousand rounds to be considered worthy of purchase. I think that unless you are talking .22 rimfires, 30 thousand rounds of centerfire ammo is more than 99% of most shooters will shoot in their lifetime unless of course these guys did a tour in Iraq.
The vast majority of shooters will strut out with their pistol, pop off some rounds at targets, or tin cans and put their Hi-Point away. Sure, a Glock is a nicer gun, but like I said its not necessary in most applications. Concealed carry? A Glock 26, 36, ets is a good choice-or any of a number of other guns like a 5 shot revolver, a Keltec PF-9, or maybe a Bersa 380 or Makarov.
Some guys conceal carry the Hi-Point 9mm compact but IMO its a tad too heavy.
I just think the Hi-Point fills a roll of economical guns for the blue collar folks...

CajunBass

12-08-2007, 23:33

For all the talk about how big Hi-Points are, I've found the 9mm to not a lot bigger than some other guns that are far from being huge. While I don't think it's a "compact" it's not exactly the brick everyone says it is, at least not in my opinion. (The 40 and 45 are different animals maybe, I don't have any real experience with them.)

Hi-Point C-9 and a Makarov.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/Cajunshoots006.jpg

C-9 with my Kel-Tec P-11.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/KTHP.jpg

Yep. Bigger than both, but neither of those are really thought of as being a large handgun.

James Markov

12-09-2007, 09:44

The Hi-Point is a little heavier than most ccw guns, but some people carry it. I would be curious if people carry a Hi-Point with one round in the chamber-like you would a glock pistol?

sb622

12-09-2007, 23:19

I have a Hi-point compact 9. No problems. Ugly...yep. A little bulky...yep. American made...yep. Unreliable...nope. Accurate...yep. I paid $109 for it. Does it function like a $100 gun...nope...much better. It's not a Glock, for damn sure. There is certainly a difference in quality, but not reliability. I'm not speaking from my point of view only. The dealers that I have spoken to (who knew that I wasn't going to be purchasing a gun) state that they are very reliable and have very few issues...especially compared to some other guns in higher dollar brackets. It's not a perfect gun, but none of them are. Hell, half the time a person has a problem, it's directly related to the operator in some way.

The Hi-point is a good, reliable, American-made gun with a lifetime warranty and a company that is 100% customer service oriented...unlike, say, Taurus. It is a $100 gun that sacrifices aesthetics and weight for reliability and accuracy. It does have faults, but not anything that you should worry about as far as carrying for defense...although not necessarily concealed carry due to the thickness. Home defense, carried in your vehicle, tackle box, etc, will due just fine.
Just because you may not like it for whatever reason, don't be an assh*** and talk crap about it..especially when your experience was 20 years ago. I have known people who had failures from their Glocks but that doesn't mean that Glocks suck, are unreliable and so on. **** happens to everything mechanical no matter how much you paid for it.

hexus

12-10-2007, 00:46

Oddly enough, I was just at a firearms class today where a bunch of newer shooters were coming in for the first time, and the one gun on the range that failed to the point where the guy had to go rent another gun to pass his qualifications was a Hi Point.

I'm not trying to pass off anecdotal evidence as empirical here, but I thought that that was a noteworthy event, considering that I've never seen one being shot at the range before.

Everybody has been burnt one or twice on a gun purchase, I guess.

I actually paid money for a Davis Arms P380 once. I keep it around just to instill humility when I open my safe.

Texas357

12-10-2007, 01:09

I owned a HP 9mm carbine. The only gun I ever sold, but it never failed. Never.

BP44

12-10-2007, 02:44

they are crap because...........they are crappy:tongueout:
Just kiddin' but seriously I wont carry one

racine

12-10-2007, 09:14

"...I have a Hi-point compact 9. No problems. Ugly...yep. A little bulky...yep. American made...yep. Unreliable...nope. Accurate...yep. I paid $109 for it. Does it function like a $100 gun...nope...much better. It's not a Glock, for damn sure. There is certainly a difference in quality, but not reliability. I'm not speaking from my point of view only. The dealers that I have spoken to (who knew that I wasn't going to be purchasing a gun) state that they are very reliable and have very few issues...especially compared to some other guns in higher dollar brackets. It's not a perfect gun, but none of them are. Hell, half the time a person has a problem, it's directly related to the operator in some way..."
I see your point. My instinct tells me I put a higher dollar value on my life or loved ones therefore I will go with a proven brand. That said I prefer the lightest weapon I can accurately shoot with the most punch and the least amount of complexity and the most firepower. Try packing a 1911/double stack 1911 around for 8 hrs and you'll get my point about Glocks. At the least if your pistola gets confiscated after a shootout(should you survive a firefight)it doesn't cost you a whole lot-they may even just toss it?! Get yourself a real gun, if you can afford a real car then splurge some would ya?

sb622

12-10-2007, 16:17

Racine: I have a G-19...I love it. But even that had some trouble the first time out to the range. I ended up having to strip it completely down. Turns out that too much of that gold/copper/whatever colored grease they put on the guns from the factory had got into the firing pin channel (?..I don't know what glock calls it) and was causing all kinds of FTF's. After cleaning it and oiling the proper points, it worked flawlessly. Out at the range, nobody said anything because it was a glock. Had it been the Hi-point that was doing that, everyone would have been saying that it's just because Hi-point sucks, is a ****ty weapon, and so on.

I try to keep an open mind about things and limit absolute opinions on things. I'm not a die-hard glock fan, hi-point fan or any other manufacturer. Mechanical things fail sometimes, no matter who makes them. To add to that, humans who maintain them are more likely to make it less reliable due to something that they did or didn't do to it. Why did the guy with the Hi-point firearm fail at the safety course? Did he pull it straight out of the box whithout cleaning it and start shooting? Who knows. But that person could have very easily been me the first day shooting my Glock with all the FTF's.

It's not a matter of do I trust my life with a particular gun. In reality, the ammo is the weak link. The weaker link is the owner/shooter. Have you cycled out the rounds that have been chambered more than a couple of times? Also, just because you may have a gun when an incident happens, the incident could happen so fast that you may not have time to draw the weapon much less identify the target and place a well aimed shot. The variable are too many. It's not a matter of do I trust my life to a particular gun. The chances of getting into an incident as a civilian are very low, thank God, so what are the chances of the one thing that is going to fail is the design of the weapon and not the maintenance of it or a faulty round or one of a hundred other reasons.

With that being said, if you don't trust a gun to fire, then why have it in the first place? Objective personal experience should decide what you own/carry. I'm glad I didn't sell my Glock based on my first time out with it.

racine

12-10-2007, 17:28

"...It's not a matter of do I trust my life with a particular gun. In reality, the ammo is the weak link. The weaker link is the owner/shooter. Have you cycled out the rounds that have been chambered more than a couple of times? Also, just because you may have a gun when an incident happens, the incident could happen so fast that you may not have time to draw the weapon much less identify the target and place a well aimed shot. The variable are too many. It's not a matter of do I trust my life to a particular gun. The chances of getting into an incident as a civilian are very low, thank God, so what are the chances of the one thing that is going to fail is the design of the weapon and not the maintenance of it or a faulty round or one of a hundred other reasons..."

Given your reasons, laws of averages and statistics, why would you trust your life to a basically unproven weapon when you could have one that has been produced in the millions, utilized by more LE & military personnel around the world??? Perhaps the Hipoint works for you and goes bang but I for one prefer NOT to be the beta tester for an unproven and low cost design. I'm not trying to sell you on Glock even though I've used one since 1988, used it extensively in prolonged firing sessions lasting as much as 2000 rounds a week or 600 rounds a day without incident, 20K rounds a year. For me a criteria for personal protection has to prove itself not just based on some well known gun writer, magazines torture tests, but personal use to me that amounts to a crucible of performance I just cannot deny. I just hate buying a gun that goes bang the first 50 times then stops unexpectedly. This happens to many guns just not as frequently to proven designs like Browning, Sig, Glock. So in the super highway of shooting are you willing to drive your family 20 miles in the rain in that Yugo or would you rather have a Volvo to get into??

sb622

12-10-2007, 19:49

Let me be clear about a couple of things: 1) I own a Glock. 2) I am not a proponent for any firearm manufacturer.
When I have a discussion with somebody, I look for validity in what they're saying so that I can learn something useful from that point of view. I also expect the other person to do the same. Typically, someone who is closed-minded about anything that someone else has to say is very difficult to learn anything from.
"Convince a man against his will, He's of the same opinion still."
You're obviously a proponent for Glock, and refuse to believe that a firearm less than $500 can be effective. Ok, have fun with your Glocks.

"I'm not trying to sell you on Glock even though I've used one since 1988, used it extensively in prolonged firing sessions lasting as much as 2000 rounds a week or 600 rounds a day without incident, 20K rounds a year."

If that isn't trying to sell someone, then what is?

"For me a criteria for personal protection has to prove itself not just based on some well known gun writer, magazines torture tests, but personal use to me that amounts to a crucible of performance I just cannot deny"

Going by your logic, then why would I listen to you about Glocks? By igonoring everything that anyone has to say about anything only proves how ignorant you are. If the only opinion or experience that matters is yours, and no one else's, then why take part in a discussion board? Especially in the part that is "non-glock"?

Xenogy

12-10-2007, 20:05

A friend of mine brought a 9mm version over to me he picked up from a pawn shop for $100. If there is anything I can say positive about them is they hold their value well. Mainly because it really can't loose much value since they cost $100 new and are easy to sell for $100 used. Not much value to loose there. Second would be they are surprisingly reliable for such a cheap POS low quality gun. His gun still fired although it was beat like it had been dragged behind a truck and filthy. The previous owner must have shot atleast 1000rds through it judging by the carbon build up and copper fouling and residue. It obviously had never been cleaned judging by the anti-seize lube that was still in there from the factory. For the most part it was running entirely on anti-seize lube and carbon build up that blended with the anti-seize lube. Third they have decent accuracy. Although it's striker fired it has a true single action trigger pull. Very short pull and no over travel. I don't know if I would trust the safety on it. It is rather crude.

The machining marks under the slide are also very crude. Looks like a monkey carved it out of a stock bar of steel. Disassembly/reassembly is not easy. Atleast compared to other modern pistols. The Hi Point has several small parts that can get lost and requires a punch tool to disassemble. When reassembling, parts have to line up just right. Overall it reminds me of a few saturday night special kinda guns I have come across. Only difference is it's actually reliable. Quality wise I would place it between a liberator pistol and a Jennings pistol.

Weight and bulkiness is another factor. Its really top heavy. The barrel is permanently attached to the frame like a Makarov barrel. When i took the slide off it's about as heavy as a loaded Glock 26.

Oneiros

12-10-2007, 20:13

They're the glock of the economy priced pistols, I'll tell ya that.

Kokoro

12-10-2007, 20:15

I used to own the Hi Point.45 a couple of years ago. Although it was unusually heavy and uglier then sin, it never jammed and did go bang every time. I wouldn't say it was inaccurate but in no way is it as accurate is my glock or Makarov. If in a pinch it would do as 9 rds of .45 would do the job. I think you would be better off buying a PA-63 in 9x18 for 100.00 if you were on a very tight budget.

sb622

12-10-2007, 20:23

Racine: Glad this guy wasn't in the process of defending himself.

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"A friend was shooting my Glock 19 yesterday at our local range. After his last shot something amazing happend. The slide fell off the gun and landed in the dirt. The pistol probably has only approximately 1500 rounds of Winchester white box ammo through it. The problem was that the slide stop bar fell out of the gun due to the slide stop spring failing."

zoyter2

12-10-2007, 20:25

They're the glock of the economy priced pistols, I'll tell ya that.

Very interesting way of describing them. Fair and accurate also!

racine

12-11-2007, 02:02

I don't think I ever said my opinion supercedes anyones here have I? I've never said Glock was the end all to all pistols have I? NO. What I've said is that I, myself, would rather trust his life to a gun design with a proven track record of success. When I see a US made pistol selling for $100 with American labor, I can't help but wonder what kind of parts went into it. Maybe you want to trust your life on a $100 pistol but I sure as hell won't. I'm no snob but common sense tells me if it was that cheap to buy then what went into it has to be cheaper for that company to make a profit. So if you want to believe in that brand, it's all yours. I don't work for Glock, HK, RA, Remington, SW, etc. and my opinions are meant to be shared with fellow shooters on this forum and to share different points of view. As a hobby, I shoot competitively USPSA/IDPA/NRA action pistol. I see a lot of different kinds of designs and concepts. I haven't seen them all but I see Colts, Berettas, Para Ordnance, or other bigger pistol companies jamming, breaking or generally malfunctioning from time to time. And if those bigger companies with higher tech manufacturing and design and quality control still have glitches then what are the chances of a small time company with small budgets and small profits having fewer glitches than them-not very likely.
Go for it dude if that's your choice, it's still a free country.

One last thing, I find your quote suspicious. If you ever meet guys that really shoot glocks a lot (Dale Rhea, Travis Tomasie, Dave Sevigny are a few of the guys many glock shooters tend to prod for info on glocks and how to make them run flawlessly) you'll find out the parts that break the most those that work for those specific calibers or models. That spring has never been an issue but hey, I've been wrong before. Your experience with that copper lubricant/grease getting into the firing pin channel? First Glocks are test fired like most pistols are today before they leave the factory. That lubricant is used sparingly on the rail slots of the slide and the connector, and glock themselves advise owners to run those channels dry. Too bad you've had bad quality control from one of the best in the industry. Hey, my HK USP firing pin cracked, the $55 mags cracked at the welds, the slide rusts, but you only find these out when you put mucho rounds through them and the funny thing is that HK snobs frequently doubt these findings as well.

Good Luck with your high point and do keep us posted when you get to that 200 round mark- I'd really be curious how it holds up, honestly!

citori59

12-11-2007, 03:54

i two hi-points one in 380 and one in 9mm. i have a total of about 200 bucks tied up in the pair and have at least 500 rounds through both of them. i have never had a jam or misfire and they are suprisingly accurate. if there are drawbacks to hi-points it is that they are heavy, ugly and everyone, including most dealers, think they are a POS. i really like the two i have and think they are the best buy on the gun market.

CajunBass

12-11-2007, 04:35

Good Luck with your high point and do keep us posted when you get to that 200 round mark- I'd really be curious how it holds up, honestly!

Wasn't addressed to me I know, but just FYI, my C-9 is over the 2,000 round mark, with maybe a half dozen malfunctions.

Yes. They're cheap. Yes, they're made out of inexpensive stuff. Yes, most any other gun you can think of is "better." However, that doesn't mean they're bad.

Thorazine

12-11-2007, 13:07

High points make great throw down guns. =)

sb622

12-11-2007, 13:59

"Wasn't addressed to me I know, but just FYI, my C-9 is over the 2,000 round mark, with maybe a half dozen malfunctions."

"Yes. They're cheap. Yes, they're made out of inexpensive stuff. Yes, most any other gun you can think of is "better." However, that doesn't mean they're bad."__________________
Your quite welcome to jump in. I'm kinda surprised that no one else has up to this point.
Talking to someone like Racine is just pointless. Full of glaring inconsistencies in what he says, closed minded, and just general ignorance and snobbery.

I have had my Glock for a month, and fired 800 rnds in a week and a half. Had about 25 FTF's the first time out. (and no, I wasn't limp wristing...I am an experienced shooter) But because it's a Glock nobody at the range thought to say anything. You just mention Hi point and you can hear the snobs sneer.
The second part of your post was right on the money. They are not a bad gun. They're certainly not the pinnacle of fit and finish, but they do reliably what they were designed to do.

Oneiros

12-11-2007, 14:25

What I've said is that I, myself, would rather trust his life to a gun design with a proven track record of success. When I see a US made pistol selling for $100 with American labor, I can't help but wonder what kind of parts went into it. Maybe you want to trust your life on a $100 pistol but I sure as hell won't. I'm no snob but common sense tells me if it was that cheap to buy then what went into it has to be cheaper for that company to make a profit.

I wonder what kind of illusory world you have to be living in not to see the glaring contradictions in what you said right there.

sb622

12-11-2007, 14:54

I don't think I ever said my opinion supercedes anyones here have I? I've never said Glock was the end all to all pistols have I?

Be serious, it's implied in everything you say.

What I've said is that I, myself, would rather trust his life to a gun design with a proven track record of success.

You said yourself that you don't trust anything that any gun professional, magazine article has to say. "...has to prove itself not just based on some well known gun writer, magazines torture tests," Which is very contradictory to what you say here where you say that you talk to professionals that tell you how to fix the problems with the specific Glocks:
If you ever meet guys that really shoot glocks a lot (Dale Rhea, Travis Tomasie, Dave Sevigny are a few of the guys many glock shooters tend to prod for info on glocks and how to make them run flawlessly) you'll find out the parts that break the most those that work for those specific calibers or models.

I give you this qoute from a guy who just posted this on the 7th, to which you basically call us liars:
from jajthoma on 12-7-07 Glock Fatal Flaw

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A friend was shooting my Glock 19 yesterday at our local range. After his last shot something amazing happend. The slide fell off the gun and landed in the dirt. The pistol probably has only approximately 1500 rounds of Winchester white box ammo through it. The problem was that the slide stop bar fell out of the gun due to the slide stop spring failing.

Can you imagine getting in a gunfight and having the slide fall off your gun. I know of no other handgun design where this can happen. Do any of you guys know a fix for this fatal flaw in the Glock pistol?

Get yourself a real gun, if you can afford a real car then splurge some would ya?

You say this after I had already stated that I had a Glock. But then you say that you're not a snob? That is the definition of being a snob.

Go for it dude if that's your choice, it's still a free country.

Glad to know that my military service wasn't in vain.

...keep us posted when you get to that 200 round mark- I'd really be curious how it holds up, honestly!

I know, I know, you're not a snob. Got it.

And as far as you bragging about being a competitive shooter and rubbing shoulders with all these guys....that doesn't mean that you know crap about what your'e talking about. I used to roadrace motorcycles and won rookie of the year, but 50-60% of the guys out there racing were hobyists who thought they knew what they were doing, but many times truly had no clue. (which was amusing to see a few of them talk to the street riders like they knew everything...kinda like what you're doing) So those of us that did have experience spent time with them to help them out with their suspension settings and tuning and tire pressures, etcetera. The difference there is that we all stuck together and helped each other out no matter what brand of motorcycle we were racing. If someone took a spill, we would all thrash to get the bike fixed for them for the next race that day and let him/her relax from the crash. Nobody said, "hey he's riding X-manufacturer, what a piece of s***".

You're a jerk and a snob. Not much else needs to be said. Each time you say anything to me, you prove my point for me.

crazymoose

12-11-2007, 14:59

Racine: Glad this guy wasn't in the process of defending himself.

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It probably would not have happened while the guy was defedning himself, since the slide will only come off in such a situation when the trigger is pulled on an empty chamber.

sb622

12-11-2007, 16:31

I'm not familiar enough with the Glock design to know if what failed on his gun would allow the frame to slide off loaded or unloaded. Thanks for the info. I do know that you have to pull the trigger to be able to release the slide for tearing it down. So in a way that makes sense.

I was just being facetious and trying to make a point that any firearm can fail for any number of reasons, no matter how strange or unlikely.

I used to joke around with my Berreta and with the slide locked back, engage the takedown lever and then hit the slide release and watch people laugh their butts off when the slide shot off the end of the gun. Ahh, the good 'ole days...hahaha

jbart1957

12-13-2007, 16:44

Ghetto.Todays RG.

liliysdad

12-13-2007, 17:00

Scheels's in Great Falls had them on sale last year for $89... I should have bought a few more for stocking stuffers.

Ill take the bundle of sticks, or stocking full of coal, thank you.

bagballa

12-13-2007, 21:56

Yeah Hi-Point is a pretty ugly piece of gun. Looks like a retarded sloth locked in a cage at a crack house thats on fire.

IMO of course

sts47

12-13-2007, 23:24

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k194/sts47/guns/10-28-06_1425.jpg

Had a hi-point C9 once, worked fine. Issue is with the mag lips mostly since they use same mags for .380 and 9mm. Once you adjust, it's just as reliable as an AK. I've run about 500 rounds through it, with only the first 50 being iffy.

Bought new for $100.

Got and offer for $135 and sold. No other reason.

liliysdad

12-13-2007, 23:33

I still fail to see how they sell a single one of those things, with the market awash in decent, cheap guns, like the PA63s, cheap Model 10 Smiths, etc....

10-32

12-13-2007, 23:35

HiPoints have their place.

In SD/HD? Not for me.

But they have their place, and they're making a profit to prove it.

Personally, I think they're as ugly as ugly can get. But do they work?
My buddy who bought two about a year ago doesn't seem to have any complaints. He bought a matching set, I believe in 9mm, and he couldn't be happier with his inexpensive "farm plinking" guns.
What's wrong with that?

CajunBass

12-14-2007, 01:54

I still fail to see how they sell a single one of those things, with the market awash in decent, cheap guns, like the PA63s, cheap Model 10 Smiths, etc....

I don't recall ever seeing a PA-63 in a gun store. Online..in Shotgun News...on Gunbroker, yes, but never in a gun store. Maybe somewhere, but nowhere I've seen. Around here, 9x18 ammo is about twice the cost of what 9mm goes for so that eats up any savings you might have with a PA-63 pretty quickly. (I've got a Bulgie Mak. Nice gun, but I paid $200.00 for it.)

Where do you find those "cheap" Model 10's? I'd like to have one. The last one I saw was about $300.00. That might be "cheap" for a Model 10, but it's not quite in the Hi-Point class.

racine

12-14-2007, 03:45

SB622, I think you need to read my posts carefully. They are not as personal as you are taking them. Look, I'm not the one calling hipoints crap, ugly or that they suck. Either way those are what others think. I just share my experiences and you don't have to believe them. Shooting is harnessing and controlling an explosion. For that reason alone, my choice of control and avoiding injury to myself or those around me would be something made with the best materials I can afford. Your choices are yours alone. My definition of a gun snob is one who thinks ONE gun is the answer to all gun needs. I shoot glocks, springers, HKs, Firestars, SWs, Rugers, Remys, RAs, etc... and I don't think one is necessarily better than the other.

So am I a snob because I prefer to hit the target when I want to, because I want a gun that runs 99%+ and can make a head shot at 7-25 yards, because I appreciate form/function/beauty/ingenuity, because I want to be able to shoot 500 rounds+ a day 3 days+ in a row and not worry about failures, because I want something that can take a beating and still keep on smokin', then yes then for those reasons I am a snob. Am I shoving glock down your throat? I don't think so.

I'll now tell you this though, every HiPoint I've ever seen at every gun show, every pawn shop is hands down the Ugliest Baboons Butt I've ever laid eyes on. :embarassed::rofl:

Choclabman

12-14-2007, 05:18

If I was dirt poor and needed a gun I would consider one. Since I'm not, thank goodness I'll never have to.

I agree with you, on this subject matter Sarge.

OKgetdown

12-14-2007, 05:24

If I happened onto one for really cheap, I would consider buying one. I have known people that has had them, so I have shot them a little. Never seen one fail. I am sure I could find some use for one.

zoyter2

12-14-2007, 09:43

Yeah Hi-Point is a pretty ugly piece of gun. Looks like a retarded sloth locked in a cage at a crack house thats on fire.

IMO of course

........while eating cheese.

Wait.................. that last part I added wasn't really funny.

Hi-Points are reliable, inexpensive, and ugly. They don't charge for the ugly. You get all the rest for around $100. I blow that on a trip to Outback. Why not buy one if you have need of a pistol that will not cost one tear if it gets destroyed? No one is going to force anyone to carry on on duty or for protection!

cowboywannabe

12-14-2007, 11:42

they are a Raven on steroids.....made of the same zinc alloy (aka "pot metal")

ive owned a few Raven .25s, they went bang everytime too...but not something id carry for defensive reasons...unless i was poor...

i too am from Ohio, so i'll ask the question for the third time, what is a "mopes"?

sb622

12-15-2007, 15:37

Racine: You have the thought process of a 12y/o boy going through puberty. You have completely not addressed the things that I specifically pointed out to you, other than trying to say that you're not a snob. Everthing you say is a contradiction. You have the opinion that any gun under $500 is junk that is bound to be a complete failure, yet you later state, while trying to brag, that your knowledgable buddies know all the faults and problems with Glocks, HK, etc., and know how to fix them. Somehow, that doesn't occur to you as contradictory? Or it is just ok for a gun to have a problem as long as it's a big name brand and it costs a lot of money? Of course you didn't address that part...or even recognize the fact that you were trying to put me down because I own a Hi-point because you failed to read the part where I stated in the beginning that I also own a Glock. Yes, your posts were as personal as I think they are. When you talk down to people, they tend to take it personally.

If it is as horribly unreliable as you make it sound, then you wouldn't have a problem playing russian roulette with one, right? I mean especially if you put a ski mask on and pretended to be a bad guy, it just has to fail. I'm obviously being facetious, but you get my point, I hope.

Hi-Points are reliable, inexpensive, and ugly. They don't charge for the ugly. You get all the rest for around $100.

That is funny as hell, but true. For $100 I have another gun to take to the range for my wife and I, or friends to shoot while we're there. I have self defense firearms, but I'm quite sure it will shoot an intruder at the house the same as it would a target at the range. The person getting shot is not goint to give a crap what brand of firearm I just shot him with.

Cowboy: I have no idea what a mope is...wish I could tell ya. Maybe the gun snob will enlighten the rest of us with his vast knowledge, that is if he has time from rubbing shoulders with the experts who are telling him how to make his Glock reliable.

racine

12-15-2007, 20:12

SB622, you know what the word rookie means? Because you don't know very much about the glock and your next firearm is a Lowpoint then you are a rookie. So when you consider the many observations myself and others have shared with you here (that you've thrown back at us) we don't expect you to get it because your a ROOKIE! You take things personally because your an idiot.

You said "...I used to roadrace motorcycles and won rookie of the year, but 50-60% of the guys out there racing were hobyists who thought they knew what they were doing, but many times truly had no clue..." Sound like a snob? You just don't think some of our brutal answers are valid or honest. Well if you come into this forum and ask questions we'll answer, honestly, brutally honest, sometimes with levity. You unfortunately can't handle the truth if it bit you in the ass. Keep the thread simple focus on what the question is, why does the hipoint suck?

This thread ain't worth a butt ugly $100 piece of zinc...

Over and out.

who_dat

12-19-2007, 11:59

I guess most people are under the general opinion that they do, and I'm wondering what specifically is a problem with them? I ask b/c someone has a 380 for sale for 100 bucks near me and I thought it'd be a fun little gun to try, but there's no point if it's awful. Please give me specific issues with them, not just that "they suck".

Sorry it's Hi Point:D
I'm interested in Hi-Point 9MM carbine, so I find this thread interesting. Too bad most people here never owned one, yet will tell you all about them.

I found this forum about Hi-Point:

http://hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum//index.php

You'll get information there from actual Hi-Point owners. After reading info there, I'm gung ho about my soon-to-be new Carbine.:supergrin:

mnglocker

12-19-2007, 12:37

I'm interested in Hi-Point 9MM carbine, so I find this thread interesting. Too bad most people here never owned one, yet will tell you all about them.

I found this forum about Hi-Point:

http://hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum//index.php

You'll get information there from actual Hi-Point owners. After reading info there, I'm gung ho about my soon-to-be new Carbine.:supergrin:

I've got a 995, I like it. It's accurate enough for 100yard work, cheap to shoot, ugly as heck (no one will steal it) and it's never jammed on me. Give it a try, if you don't like it sell it, and worst case scenario you loose 10 bucks on it.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb4/953kdjs/IMG_2050.jpg

BigEd63

12-19-2007, 13:52

I don't much care for the pistols due to ergonomics, for me, high center of gravity and plain gravity(weight).

One cousin of mine owned the carbine in 9mm and it was a fun plinker for the range. I might even condsider one as a trunk rifle if I come across a good deal on a used one.

who_dat

12-19-2007, 18:46

I've got a 995, I like it. It's accurate enough for 100yard work, cheap to shoot, ugly as heck (no one will steal it) and it's never jammed on me. Give it a try, if you don't like it sell it, and worst case scenario you loose 10 bucks on it.

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb4/953kdjs/IMG_2050.jpg

I see you did it up in Minnesota Camo, good for all 3 seasons...early winter, winter, and late winter!!:rofl::rofl:

Bluestone

12-19-2007, 21:09

There are a lot of people who need protection but can't afford a lot of money. Hi Point fits the bill.

mnglocker

12-20-2007, 01:59

I see you did it up in Minnesota Camo, good for all 3 seasons...early winter, winter, and late winter!!:rofl::rofl:

Exactly, besides; who wants that goofy ati stock that everyone else has. :rofl:

liliysdad

12-20-2007, 07:56

There are a lot of people who need protection but can't afford a lot of money. Hi Point fits the bill.

No, quality used guns fit the bill. There is no reason to buy crap, just to buy new.

who_dat

12-20-2007, 08:06

No, quality used guns fit the bill. There is no reason to buy crap, just to buy new.
Have you ever owned one? It seems the people on the Hi-point forum that actually own the guns like them...they go bang every time...very much UNlike several guns I have owned and spent mucho dinero on.

mnglocker

12-20-2007, 11:19

No, quality used guns fit the bill. There is no reason to buy crap, just to buy new.

Tell that to the single working mom with 3 mouths to feed and an abusive ex that doesn't agree with the restraining order.

There is no reason to deny someone the ability to defend their selfs based on what they can afford.

A used "good gun" might be $200, where as a used HighPoint might be $35-50.

liliysdad

12-22-2007, 20:51

Have you ever owned one?

No, and i dont need to eat poop to know I dont like the taste.

zoyter2

12-22-2007, 22:13

No, and i dont need to eat poop to know I dont like the taste.

And this is relevant to a Hi-Point how? Outside of a cutsie comment or two you set yourself up to make, there is just not so much to your comment. :upeyes:

Hi-Points are ugly, cheap and reliable. They are not real durable or sturdy, but If you have no intention of running hundreds or rounds through a pistol, they are a good deal.

Don't worry, no one will think less of you if you acknowledge that maybe, just MAYBE, there are other pistols besides the GLOCK available for sale. :cool:

liliysdad

12-23-2007, 11:20

who_dat

12-23-2007, 12:28

I dont own a single Glock, and dont intend to start.

As for the Hi Point being a good deal, I see no scenario where this is true. Yes, better guns cost more, but thats because they cost more to make. Quality is not free, nor is it normally cheap.

The opinions on the Hi-Point forums disagree. They go bang every time, for a long time. Simplicity is not always low quality. Less money is not always cheap. The ones who have them will be the ones with worthwhile comments.

mitchshrader

12-23-2007, 12:58

if you're not an owner or ex owner you are talking about prejudice, not experience.

my sis bought one, shot blazer brass in it. she still has it. it goes bang. it's ugly. feel free to diss her gun to her face. :) she's a 5 foot nothing redhead, think twice first. :)

ndbullet500

12-23-2007, 14:47

No, and i dont need to eat poop to know I dont like the taste.

I'll check and see if I can find my notes that logged every round of 2000+ through a Hi-Point C9 and post a short summary. Too bad the archives aren't intact (last I checked anyway).

The aren't great, but they aren't garbage.

They are inferior to any major "non-budget" firearm product that I have shot, but superior to the bottom feeder crap-o-matics that are truly horrible excuses for firearms. Give me a matchlock over a Lorcin.

Sgt. Tackleberry

12-23-2007, 15:05

I competed(IPSC) with thier .40 cal for a summer and finished middle of the pack everytime, straight outta the box stock, most were shooting, 1911's and Glocks, my .40 was stolen, 3 of the ladys in our family have the .380 including my wife, they are fine little pistols for the money, none have ever failed to fire or feed with FMJ or Wichester Sliver Tips. Good plinkers that could also save your life someday. :cool:

coverdog

12-23-2007, 15:47

Why does High Point suck?

Take a look at them.:supergrin: They might be good for anchoring a small set of duck decoys if it's not too windy though.

liliysdad

12-24-2007, 07:55

They are inferior to any major "non-budget" firearm product that I have shot, but superior to the bottom feeder crap-o-matics that are truly horrible excuses for firearms. Give me a matchlock over a Lorcin.

This is th eone statement in defense of the HiPoint I can agree with.

muncie21

12-24-2007, 08:04

Yep, they are cheap and ugly, but so is the Ford Focus. I don't hear many people advocating saving up for BMWs and Mercedes, rather than driving Fords and Chevys.

liliysdad

12-24-2007, 08:11

Poor analogy, IMO.

A better comparison would be a new Yugo to a solid used Chevy. The used Chevy may cost a bot more, but which one is a better buy?

Mikeyboy

12-24-2007, 08:51

Hi-point manufacturing philosophy is that they are making a functioning pistol as cheaply as possible so it can be sold for a low price. They make firearms for the working man, their ownership have proclaimed this a few times.

Other gun companies have different philosophies, some are expensive because they gear their guns to be long lasting and reliable, that means using more durable expensive material, and more durable designs and parts. Most handguns like Glock, Beretta, HK, and S&W are competing for LEO and Military contracts, so the name of the game is long term reliablity, and the ability to handle large round counts. If Engineering the pistol to be ultra reliable is your first priority, then making it cheap to manufacture is of course your second business decision.

I actually took the time and read thru Hi-points forums, and not everyone is happy over there. Given the limited resources, Hi-point did design some great weapons, but honestly you cannot assume that a Hi-Point can handle the rigors of what a military weapon goes through.

Hi-points make great range guns, and for self defense if you cannot afford a high priced gun. If you have the money, or you shoot a lot, you should probably look elsewhere.

CajunBass

12-24-2007, 09:31

This guy gets it. :goodpost:

bno762

12-24-2007, 10:38

bno762

12-24-2007, 10:41

To the OP- I owned a HIGHpOINt. It was a decent gun for what I paid for it and it shot ok enough to kill a bad guy in self defense range. I am pretty sure a 9mm out of a HP or a Glock is going to knock em down. The holes may be a lil more spread out... but then again maybe not.

Mikeyboy

12-24-2007, 12:07

I'm sure this is only me who thinks this way and probably goin to get a good flaming for stating this opinion....but has anyone else noticed any similarity between hi-points and.. ......H&K's??? What?? NO HE DIDNT!!! Just in the looks department. Now I am sure H&K is ten million times better and all that. Personally I have never owned a H&K cause I cant afford one. And I am not dissin them either. But the lines of a high point are similar to some of the compact models of H&K. Thats where the similarity ends, just thwe lines.

Sure some guns look similar, I think from a distance Hi-points and Glocks look somewhat similar.

The funny thing is there is a point where Handguns are not worth the outragous price they are charging. I'll say it, HK, Sigs and Kimbers are way overpriced for what they are, but if you like them and you got the money, then more power to you.

Going back to the military proven handguns, I would advise anyone that is on a tight budget looking for a reliable firearm to check out the Ruger P series and the Taurus PT92. The Ruger P95 is being used in some parts of the US military and pass alot of there torture test. The Taurus PT92 is a good copy of the Beretta M9. Both guns can be bought new for about $300, used for $150-$200. Also there are tons of proven Soviet Mil Surp guns like Maks and other weapons that are build solid and cheap to buy.

Us poor people got lots of firearms options.

liliysdad

12-24-2007, 12:09

Do tell which elite faction of the US military uses the Ruger P95?

James Markov

12-24-2007, 19:00

Do tell which elite faction of the US military uses the Ruger P95?

Here is one link...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1307657/posts

Dobber

12-24-2007, 19:47

Why does shi* stink? It just does and that's the way it is.

liliysdad

12-24-2007, 19:58

Here is one link...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1307657/posts

These were purchased for use by Afghani and Iraqi police and military forces, not US forces.

ContractSoldier

12-24-2007, 20:56

CajunBass

12-25-2007, 05:50

I wouldn't say they suck, they great for the range. But I would never carry mine for CCW or use It for Self Defense unless I have no other choice. I'll take my Glock 19, Glock 22 or S&W 5903 over a HI Point any day.

You see. That's the key. You have a choice. The fact that you have other guns doesn't mean that the Hi-Point "sucks." For those who don't have a house full of guns, they're a reasonable choice for home and self-defense.

I don't carry my Hi-Point either. I don't have to. That doesn't mean it's junk. I've also got a Colt Commander, a Smith and Wesson 39-2, and a Makarov that I don't carry.

If the Hi-Point was all I had, you can bet I'd carry it. Shoot if a Lorcin (sp?) was all I had, I'd carry it. A gun that MIGHT work is better than a gun I don't have.

ContractSoldier

12-25-2007, 06:39

You see. That's the key. You have a choice. The fact that you have other guns doesn't mean that the Hi-Point "sucks." For those who don't have a house full of guns, they're a reasonable choice for home and self-defense.

I don't carry my Hi-Point either. I don't have to. That doesn't mean it's junk. I've also got a Colt Commander, a Smith and Wesson 39-2, and a Makarov that I don't carry.

If the Hi-Point was all I had, you can bet I'd carry it. Shoot if a Lorcin (sp?) was all I had, I'd carry it. A gun that MIGHT work is better than a gun I don't have.

Ok Killer, explain were In my post that I said the HI Points suck?. I said they didn't.

Texas357

12-30-2007, 01:02

Don't you just love all the people who post horrible things about HPs without having ever touched one? They even have fully fleshed-out explanations to back up their opnions, but are lacking the one thing that would be relevant to the conversation: experience.

Oh, I'm sure they have lots of experience with other guns, but we are talking about a specific gun here. And for that specifiic gun, the bias runs so deep, they will never go out and get the experience that they would need, in order to form a valid analysis. As such, they are quite content with their vehement, yet uninformed, opinions.

How many of the high-point haters here have actually pulled the trigger on one?

ContractSoldier

12-31-2007, 02:14

who_dat

12-31-2007, 10:34

Well If your talkin about me then I got a news flash for you.

One: I never said I was a High Point hater, and I'm not one.

Two: I do own High Points, a .45 acp pistol and the 9mm carbine.

He didn't mean you, I'm sure, Your comments were based on real experience.

I have a Carbine coming, I hope it's as much fun as it looks. Nice to hear that most people like it.

mnglocker

12-31-2007, 10:50

The carbines are one fo the best deals out there. The only complaint I have about mine is that I wish it had a higher capacity magazine, and the the mag was easier to load.

ContractSoldier

12-31-2007, 11:29

The carbines are one fo the best deals out there. The only complaint I have about mine is that I wish it had a higher capacity magazine, and the the mag was easier to load.

I agree, my carbine jams alot with Winchester White box, but Is still fun to shoot. I wish they had a 50 or 100 rd. drum for this bad girl.

mnglocker

12-31-2007, 11:32

I agree, my carbine jams alot with Winchester White box, but Is still fun to shoot. I wish they had a 50 or 100 rd. drum for this bad girl.

Do you have the 9mm or the four-tay? I have the 9mm and it's been flawless.

bagballa

12-31-2007, 15:37

I owned a JS-9 for about a year and I was afraid of shooting it because it has alot of negitive press and its on the junk guns list. I traded some unlucky sap for a tangfolio 380,

Hi Points are cheap, and so are cobra 380's. Have fun with it if ya have it. I'll stick to the high gual stuff, thank ya

ContractSoldier

12-31-2007, 18:54

Do you have the 9mm or the four-tay? I have the 9mm and it's been flawless.

It's a 9mm. I really dont worry about It since It's just my range gun.

I wish HI Point would come out with a gun that looks close to a Tec 9.

Francis

12-31-2007, 22:03

1st let me say that I don't reply to these topics often, because generally no good can come from it. This topic started by an individual asking if a hi-point was worth the money he had to invest. Now, who should answer? Someone who had a friend, who knew a guy, who saw a hi-point fall apart from merely looking at it? Or could it be a person who was related to a 2nd cousin, who had a 3rd cousin by marraige, who had a hi-point expode when it was touched by human hands? Or maybe someone who thinks you should save every cent from now until eternity to buy a gold plated, diamond crusted limited edition Kimber, case from metals found only on a remote Fiji island?
Now DO NOT get all bent out of shape from what I said. These things sounded silly right? Well they are. Too often people lose sight about what was asked and take offense, it gets personal, etc, etc, etc.
Heres the bottom line, (and I use myself as an example), I own 2 HP's. a 45 ACP and 9mm. I also have a mil spec 1911a1, a browning 22, a 38 smith revolver, a glock 26 and numerous rifles and shotguns.
I can say good and bad about HP's, I have two of them.
The question was is the 380 worth $100? Answer, (in my opinion) no. That is too much for it used. Would I recommend a HP? Yes. Would I want to shoot Olympic grade target with it, No. Do I like the fact that it is made in America, by Americans? (And by the way, I am from farm country, about 20 minutes from Lima Ohio, home of HP's) Yes.
Different weapons are for different purposes, and people need to understand that. HP's were made for folks without a lot of free cash, to enjoy shooting. No more no less. I have never had to send either of my weapons back, therefore I cannot attest to thier warranty service.
PLEASE PEOPLE, LIGHTEN UP. Weather the weapon is high dollar or not, that does not mean it is not a value. Besides, no matter what the cost, having those weapons is what keeps us free. Who would want to invade a country with so many armed citizens.
Disclaimer: This is my opinion, and we all know what that means...........

James Markov

12-31-2007, 22:27

I think every gun owner should own a Hi-Point or two. Ninety-nine percent of shooters are not law officers, and do most of their shooting at fearsome paper bullseyes at the local range, or at tin cans in the back yard(in the country). Since ammo prices have skyrocketed a lot of folks will take out their centerfire pistols a couple times a year at best, with .22 rimfires and a few boxes of shotgun ammo getting the nod.
Hi-Points can fill the shooting need in those cases where people need a larger caliber pistol for occasional use.

twofless

01-11-2008, 03:09

I happen to own a hi-point 40 jcp and right out of the box you have some ftf issues mainly do to the magazines but after a little breaking in the problems go away usually after 100 rds. but I can say with about 1000 rds thru my hi-point i would recommend a hi-point to anyone that asks for my opinion. As whether someone should buy a used hp 380 for $100 the answer to that is no

CajunBass

01-11-2008, 03:45

Ok Killer, explain were In my post that I said the HI Points suck?. I said they didn't.

But I would never carry mine for CCW or use It for Self Defense unless I have no other choice.

Actually I didn't say that YOU said they suck, but perhaps it was implied. If so I apologize. I was commenting on your statement that you wouldn't use it self defence unless you had no other choice. Neither would I. As I said we don't have to. Others, perhaps less fortunate than we are, may not have that choice.

Sorry about the toes.

mikedwood

03-22-2008, 22:19

I just got a C9 9mm off a friend cause the magazine catch spring broke. I called Hipoint and they answered the phone on the 2nd ring, took the info and say they are sending the part. The only questions they asked were the part and my address.
Pretty impressive if the right part arrives soon.

costanza187

03-22-2008, 23:34

Doesn't go with any of my outfits.

They aren't too practical for carry purposes, the odd shape, and weight don't help the case any. Maybe get a hard hat and a tool belt. Then you run the risk of looking like one of the Village People.

HOWEVER, they have their place. If you don't want to spend a lot of money but you want something to take to a range and shoot... Why the heck not!?! Dang lifetime warranty, if it tears up at the range, who cares... send it back get it fixed or get a new gun. You really cannot lose.

I bought one myself a few years ago, it sat unused for quite a while, I realized when I was going to get my carry license, it I would not be able to use it, so I bought a Bersa Thunder. I never fired the HiPoint, ended up giving it to my dad who wanted a larger than .22 hand gun just to have.

BManoftheyear

03-22-2008, 23:50

These threads are horrible.I can't stand it when I see a Hi point thread.You already know it will be full of posts from some gun snobs,stuck up people who don't have to deal with the fact of being broke and needing a firearm.
I have shot my best friends hi point .45 numerous times.Never had a jam,misfire,failure to eject nothing.
Sure the gun is ugly,it's big,but damnit if it's all you can afford go for it.If I was in that situation I'd get one in a heartbeat.
To the OP,I'll tell you one thing I have learned from this forum.There are some good people on here,there are some trolls.Alot of the time you take advise with a grain of salt,in one ear out the other.You'll start to spot the trolls here who always have negative things to say about other guns then there own.You wait and see you'll see it soon enough if not already from your thread.
I feel bad for you,you come to get info and it turns into a 6 page thread with people who help with honest opinions,and people who are trolls.I say go for it.