View Full Version : TSA, What good are they?
AK_Stick
12-05-2007, 17:59
So I just flew from Anchorage AK to Norfolk VA, only to arrive in VA and find that I have a 6 inch hunting knife in my bag, and 5 rounds of 300 WSM ammo....
I mean really, they found my Gatorade bottle, lord knows I might have been able to drown someone with that, but a knife and ammo weren't slightly higher priority?
So what have you all taken through security on accident? I know after an incident like this, I can't be the only one to have taken something through...
TacticalRecon
12-05-2007, 18:01
They are pointless. There is so many security holes it isn't even funny.
Do you know how much explosives you can sneak onto a plane? 3.5lbs of high grade explosives.
osiruscyn
12-05-2007, 18:03
on a trip from Las Vegas to Edinburgh Scotland with a stop over in Newark, NJ, my wife had a giant pair of scissors in her purse and they never caught it. We didn't realize she had it in there until we got to the castle in Scotland. They even pulled her to the side in Vegas and gave her "a more thorough" search.
So I just flew from Anchorage AK to Norfolk VA, only to arrive in VA and find that I have a 6 inch hunting knife in my bag, and 5 rounds of 300 WSM ammo....
I mean really, they found my Gatorade bottle, lord knows I might have been able to drown someone with that, but a knife and ammo weren't slightly higher priority?
It's a good thing they're that inept or else we probably never would have heard from you again.
They are pointless. There is so many security holes it isn't even funny.
Do you know how much explosives you can sneak onto a plane? 3.5lbs of high grade explosives.
Only 3.5? That seems a little low. I'm sure you could at least sneak an even 5:)
TacticalRecon
12-05-2007, 18:09
Only 3.5? That seems a little low. I'm sure you could at least sneak an even 5:)
I will have to try that next time. I started small :)
Minuteman
12-05-2007, 18:16
There purpose to provide tax subsidised security. If the airlines had to pay for thier own security, airports, airtraffic control and parking lots they would never make a dime and we would have a much smaller airline system for the rich only.
Instead they use tax dollars to subsidise the whole industry to provide "greyhound in the skies".
Free market is for suckers. Nanny state is better for the airlines.
How can I get the gov't to build me a facility to do my buinseness, then providem me with personnel to operate it?
Clyde in CO
12-05-2007, 18:17
In your checked bag or carry on?
Yesterday a TSA guy pushed my wheelchair from the security check in to the gate, so they're not all useless.
PeterJasonMN
12-05-2007, 18:25
I've flown out of a few airports this year. Not a lot, but about 10 or so total.
IAD = THE WORST. There were nar-nar's going through the metal detector 3 times before being cleared, but then I went through twice and earned the special security. MY PANTS BUTTON was supposedly setting off the metal detector. At no other airport has the button of a pair of my Levis ever done that before.
Then when I finally did get on the plane and had sat down, the NWA boarding agent comes running on at Mach 2 w/the manifest, runs up and down the aisle asks me if I'm Peter, then asks a few other people their names. Then he grabs the PA mic and calls out for someone w/an Arabic name and asks them to report to the front "Immediately". Of course even if this guy WAS on the plane, he sure as hell wasn't going to stand up at that point.
AK_Stick
12-05-2007, 18:29
In your checked bag or carry on?
Yesterday a TSA guy pushed my wheelchair from the security check in to the gate, so they're not all useless.
carry on.
suckersrus
12-05-2007, 19:16
TSA, What good are they?
False Sense of Security
Works for most people
cjlandry
12-05-2007, 19:26
Some airports are tighter than others, but I fly enough that I've figured out what I can get through which airports.
I still don't risk it.
TSA is a deterrent, not actual security. They're like a padlock on your shed. They won't stop anyone determined to get through, they simply keep honest people honest.
fabricator
12-05-2007, 20:12
I will have to try that next time. I started small :)
So you carried 3.5 lbs of "high grade explosives" (as opposed to low grade I guess) onto and airplane past all the TSA checkpoints?
geminicricket
12-06-2007, 00:04
I recently came to the firm conclusion that The Transportation Security Administration is neither necessary nor a proper use of tax money.
The U.S. is an incredibly vulnerable society. A small group of malevolent people intent upon martyrdom could be immensely successful in any American town without ever entering an airport property. This is true, has always been true, and is no less true now than in August 2001.
the flying moos
12-06-2007, 01:08
i have a crazy fear of flying. the only time i have ever flown was 3 weeks after 9/11. i was flying from Vancouver to Winnipeg. the security at the airport was taking nail clippers, scissors, even razors to shave from passengers. yet during my stopover in Calgary i stopped at a place to eat (in the "secure" area) and at this restaurant they had large steak knives which i easily could have taken on the plane with me. on the way back to Vancouver i had another stopover in Calgary. this time i had to go through security again. i was wearing several pieces of metal which should have set the metal detector off but didnt. bring this to the attention of the security guy and he finds that the machine isnt even turned on. almost 2000 passengers in the "secure" area had to be rescanned and we finally left 6 hours later.
Hubby was "randomly" selected to have the "more thorough" search. They went through all his toiletries, toothpaste, etc......but completely ignore the BIG ZIPPER POUCH on the corner of the bag. He had accidently left a whole bunch of pocket knives in there.
But, sleep tight knowing that toothpaste and deodorant are scrutinized and knives are ignored. :)
"Any American who thinks his borders and airports are secure is a fool"
-Gayle Rivers
Andrewsky
12-06-2007, 01:35
I like TSA. They keep me safe and secure. I like the Air Marshalls even more. I also like it when there are Armed IRS Agents on my plane. They also contribute to my safety.
I think they're pretty useless. The Israelis seem to have a pretty good system, with fewer, better trained personnel looking for abnormal behavior/body language to determine who to search more thoroughly. Also, they should stop calling 'random' searching, since it's obviously not, nor should it be random.
mitchshrader
12-06-2007, 05:55
i suppose they catch folks with drug resistant TB ?
it'd be terrible if a terrorist had a horrible disease and GAVE it to people.
that'd suck, huh?
[QUOTE=AK_Stick;9387027]So I just flew from Anchorage AK to Norfolk VA, only to arrive in VA and find that I have a 6 inch hunting knife in my bag, and 5 rounds of 300 WSM ammo....
I mean really, they found my Gatorade bottle, lord knows I might have been able to drown someone with that, but a knife and ammo weren't slightly higher priority?
QUOTE]
They knew you are a good guy :cool:
AK_Stick
12-06-2007, 13:43
I think that granny I shanked for her cookie probably thinks otherwise.
Airports are not secure in the least bit. Most people that work at airports are able to bypass security... the only pre-req. is that you don't have a criminal record.
FullClip
12-06-2007, 14:26
TSA? Does that stand for They Steal Anything?? Who guards these "guards" when they rumage through your checked bags? "Oh....looky here...sumtin' shiney.....yeah...these be contraban".
If I had a choice between a flight where I had to submit to these idiots or be able to bypass them and fly on plane without the humiliation of taing off the shoes, the belt, drag the laptop outa' the bag and be herded through the railings like beef cattle headed to the slaughter, I'd take my chances and hop the unscreened flight.:steamed:
The TSA exists solely to get Americans more used to standing in lines, showing their papers, and being too fearful to raise a peep over it.
willie_pete
12-06-2007, 14:35
Your're lucky Richard Reed wasn't called the Underwear Bomber.
WP
GlockmanPA
12-06-2007, 14:38
What is the TSA good for? Filling the Governments minority employment quotas.
Oh yeah and making our trips so much less stressful, complicated, and safer.
:rofl: :rofl:
czsmithGT
12-06-2007, 14:48
There are 30,000 commercial airline flights per day in the US. They carry 1,800,000 passengers. Of course a lot of things get through security- are every one of you people perfect 100% of the time? I don't think so. So what good are TSA? Well, with no security at all we wouldn't have a commercial airline industry, so I guess maybe that is your answer.
I like TSA. They keep me safe and secure. I like the Air Marshalls even more. I also like it when there are Armed IRS Agents on my plane. They also contribute to my safety.
Is this in response to the "Stuff you say here CAN be used against you" thread? :-)
Rabid Rabbit
12-06-2007, 15:06
Only 3.5? That seems a little low. I'm sure you could at least sneak an even 5:)
They missed the AR-15 with a 20 inch barrel in my gun case. They were so busy checking the Savage 112 they didn't notice the are gun in below the savage. The AR was in a soft case to keep the metal parts from scratching the savage.
TacticalRecon
12-06-2007, 15:08
So you carried 3.5 lbs of "high grade explosives" (as opposed to low grade I guess) onto and airplane past all the TSA checkpoints?
Yes, it was a bag of high grade gun powder for .50 cal rounds that I reload.
TSA? Does that stand for They Steal Anything?? Who guards these "guards" when they rumage through your checked bags? "Oh....looky here...sumtin' shiney.....yeah...these be contraban".
I've had two knives go missing since the TSA took over (I used to carry them on).
Yesterday I sat next to a gent who was sporting a brand new Bose III Quiet Comfort noise canceling headset.
http://www.bose.com/images/home_entertainment/products/p_qc3_m.jpg
He said he liked his old Bose II better (around the ear rather than over the ear), but they were stolen last month when he inadvertently left them in his checked baggage.
fnfalman
12-07-2007, 15:37
I'm not as pissed off at the TSA as much as the airline workers that snapped at me and ordered me along. The TSA thugs at least have a reason to do what they do, but since when do the damn employees of the airliners start to lord over their customers?
I refuse to fly unless it's on company's dime. And that's at least once a year too many time.
PeterJasonMN
12-07-2007, 15:39
Is this in response to the "Stuff you say here CAN be used against you" thread? :-)
We rarely see eye to eye, but that's what I thought too.
The FAMS I can see, and hell if I needed someone w/a gun I'd even take the IRS agent. But the TSA ass-clowns? Hardly.
PrincessCelica
12-07-2007, 16:18
I had a friend walk through security (post 9/11) with a bag full of syringes without a hiccup from the TSA. (He's diabetic.) His brother however was stopped and searched for a pair of safety scissors.
BTW, Nick, I re-examined your cologne bottle. It was small enough you could have taken it with you in your bag. :tongueout:
AK_Stick
12-07-2007, 18:07
I had a friend walk through security (post 9/11) with a bag full of syringes without a hiccup from the TSA. (He's diabetic.) His brother however was stopped and searched for a pair of safety scissors.
BTW, Nick, I re-examined your cologne bottle. It was small enough you could have taken it with you in your bag. :tongueout:
Could have, but for as much as it cost, why risk it? Esp when it kept you happy....
they are there to make the sheeple bow/scrape and feel safer
in reality we need the el al system and the balls to implement it vs the pc crowd whining
Andrewsky
12-07-2007, 20:47
Is this in response to the "Stuff you say here CAN be used against you" thread? :-)
I don't know what you're talking about.
All I know is that I love TSA and I love the Federal Government.
They keep me Safesecure.
thorn137
12-07-2007, 20:51
I flew from Orlando to Cinci last weekend.
In my backpack was a big dill pickle floating in the original package in pickle juice (joke gift for co-worker.) TSA pulled me aside, searched my bag, took my pickle. Because it was apparently too much liquid. Pickle juice = danger to all passengers, i suppose.
Lady in front put her gatorade bottle THROUGH THE XRAY MACHINE IN A BOWL. And they let her keep it.
Huh?
TSA is a moronic agency created by a moronic president and staffed by morons.
thorn
I give them credit for doing a job. I follow the rules. I take my shoes off. What ticks me off is when they act like gestapo. It takes all sorts of patience in dealing with some of the imbeciles they've hired. I go along politely only to have some nimrod verbally intimidate me while I smile in their face. I found the best deterent is to ask for the supervisor-politely. You are entitled to know if they plan to search your bag, to be present and to hold them accountable. BTW, pills you bring on your person that have an aluminum wrap sets off the metal sensors and will delay your travel. My 23 ct solid gold wedding band won't. Seemingly innocent items can create headaches. We are all in this together but we do not need unnecessary roughness...
I accidentally took on a 3" Benchmade and an all metal lighter back when lighters were too dangerous. I'm sure people planned to use lighters for bombs that look like a water balloon with a string coming out of the top, as displayed in the signs that ban them. (Can you even get a bomb that looks like that or is it just from the Acme Company in Wily E. Coyote cartoons?)
Today I saw a TSA person questioning an OLD lady about water in her bag, and explaining to some other lady that her hair stuff wouldn't be allowed on the plane.
I felt better sitting next to a black chick with nappy hair and a thirsty old lady. Serves 'em right, flying commercial like that.
Pilot's certificate next spring. The TSA can bugger off.
As to the original question, what good are they? Well, we haven't had another hijacking since 9/11. Have they tried? Possibly. Has the FBI/CIA probably stopped them somewhere along the way before it happened? Probably. I gotta believe that if they're in the airport, with the stuff, ready to do whatever it is they have planned, it's probably too late.
MyGlockRocks19
04-04-2008, 02:53
I drive. I know its cheaper and faster to fly, but if I have my rathers, I drive.
From what I can tell they are there to harass and terrorize innocent people:upeyes::steamed:
Well, this is a nice subject.
Speaking from first hand experience - First hand meaning if you hacked TSA database you would see my name under "Currently Employed".
What I would like to clear first is, TSA is not a useless organization, its a federally funded security agency, which 100x stomps on a private security company that was previously hired from pulled together money by airlines.
TSA hires Federal Air Marshals, Inspectors, Investigators, Security Managers, Behavior Detection Officers, Explosive Recognition Officers, Canine Units...I can go on and on...most people must think that TSA is 1 job and 1 job alone.
Think for a moment about TSA...a 5-6 year long agency that has a reputation of being one of the most hated agencies in America what they have to deal with day in and day out. What makes it worse is that there is a % of people that think TSA was employed BEFORE 9/11.
To be frank, as much as you think the majority of TSA is stupid...try working in an enviornment where you have to repeat yourself 50x every hour "Take off your shoes, theres a sign that says to do it...take your laptop out...please keep your boarding pass in hand...keep liquids out of your bag..." its utterly repetitive even though it should be common knowledge.
Take a guess what the most common response to any of the above things are..."I didn't know!"
The police forces are already stretched and TSA has a huge rollover rate for bad egg's. (Some airports had a 70+% rollover rate).
Heres something to think about...TSA has on its website a "Glance at the week" or something like that, where you see the various troubles that were caused...Firearms found that were illegal, breaches, forged documentation. I know this sounds corny...but if we didn't have TSA, those firearms could have ended up on planes and caused serious damage.
Heres a few things for a lot of you when you travel.
Go buy a travel bag with travel sized liquid containers...you can take your stuff!
Keep it OUT of your bag, inside a container...remember this and you wont get your bag searched!
If your so hard set on bringing this stuff on, put it in your check baggage...it can stay!
If your worried about bringing a gun on the plane! Put it in your checked baggage unloaded and in a locked container...it can stay!
Worried about being checked? Look at your ticket...if its marked with four S's...your a selectee, which is designated by the Airline...NOT TSA.
If you have an expired ID and still want to fly...YOU CAN...just be prepared to have your stuff checked and be additionally searched...the airline marks you as a selectee as well...go figure.
Don't bring retarded things on your carry on bag...What the hell do you need a screwdriver in your carry on for? Are you a mechanical engineer and are the last hope incase the airline runs out of flatheads?
If the liquid policy is 3.4 ounces...what exactly do you need on a carry on bag that is event remotely close to 3.4 ounces...but oh wait! Water? You can buy it after you go through security! Soda? Same!
If you have to have something taken by TSA...it is YOUR fault for NOT listening - TSA does give you the option of checking your Bag...remember to always pay attention, you always have the option of - Throwing the object away - Checking your bag - Or mailing it to yourself.
Always remove your shoes, jackets, belts, anything dense metal...the metal detectors give a rough area of where your metal is located...they do NOT say - OMG HE HAS A CELLPHONE...so pay attention to what the person is saying rather then walking off in a huff.
If you don't like TSA's rules...there is the option for taking a bus...if your traveling oversea's...a boat is always available...if all else fails, do what mapquest says and swim. :)
Any questions?
OH...heres an edit for ALL of you to think about...TSA in coorperation with England's security agency caught a large group of terrorist attempting to hijack planes that were enroute to America's large cities....it was described as the next 9/11. You wont hear about it...because they were not caught in America and it was publicized as being an attack on England, but each flight they check was scheduled to come to America.
Brown Hawk
04-04-2008, 05:34
... I'm sure people planned to use lighters for bombs that look like a water balloon with a string coming out of the top, as displayed in the signs that ban them. ...
Completely off topic, but the bomb with the sputtering fuse is based on the old round cannonballs. The ones you see by the courthouse today are solid shot.
The explosive ones were still round, but had powder inside and a fuse that would be lit be the exploding propellant. They could also be lit and thrown by hand or placed for demolition. So that became a symbol for bombs.
Back on topic: If not for the TSA, we'd probably lose a good 25% of our thread here. :whistling::whistling:
Hawk
ive never carryed any bad, but i always, ALWAYS get stopped for a "RANDOM SEARCH":upeyes:
but most people say i do have a scary look to me:whistling::dunno:
My sister is a Flight Attendant and she says they are good at hitting on her and thievery.
They are pretty useless in all other respects.
They are just there for eye wash / good feeling stuff.
In MIA the airlines changed the locks on their OPS offices as the TSA were coming in and taking their food out of the fridge and also any other stuff that was not bolted down.
Mostly,in MIA, you see them hanging around La Cucaracha near Gate D, sucking down coffee, talking on their cell phones and playing grabass with the chiquitas waiting in line. They are quite funny to watch...like a tribe of monkeys in white shirts, all gibbering at each other.
I lived an worked in the ME for 20 years so I know what real airline security is and its not the TSA.
They are also good to screw with their heads kind of fun. When I travel I often carry, just for fun, some "evidence" bags or envelopes that I seal with nothing in them...that always gets them it can even get the same guy 10 minutes later...they want to open it to see whats inside and I tell them " its evidence, you cant"....that brings a stupidvisor who brings another one and so on. I just tell them "break that seal and we lose the case" ...sometimes they tell me to go back and check it and I tell them "cant do that, its the chain of evidence possession and it cant be broken"
They are so stupid.
The TSA is just another Government plan to create more government.
My sister is a Flight Attendant and she says they are good at hitting on her and thievery.
They are pretty useless in all other respects.
They are just there for eye wash / good feeling stuff.
In MIA the airlines changed the locks on their OPS offices as the TSA were coming in and taking their food out of the fridge and also any other stuff that was not bolted down.
Mostly,in MIA, you see them hanging around La Cucaracha near Gate D, sucking down coffee, talking on their cell phones and playing grabass with the chiquitas waiting in line. They are quite funny to watch...like a tribe of monkeys in white shirts, all gibbering at each other.
I lived an worked in the ME for 20 years so I know what real airline security is and its not the TSA.
They are also good to screw with their heads kind of fun. When I travel I often carry, just for fun, some "evidence" bags or envelopes that I seal with nothing in them...that always gets them it can even get the same guy 10 minutes later...they want to open it to see whats inside and I tell them " its evidence, you cant"....that brings a stupidvisor who brings another one and so on. I just tell them "break that seal and we lose the case" ...sometimes they tell me to go back and check it and I tell them "cant do that, its the chain of evidence possession and it cant be broken"
They are so stupid.
The TSA is just another Government plan to create more government.
I'ma just ask some questions...maybe you can give me some answers and hopefully you wont take offense to this.
What does the middle east have to do with american security? Just so we can clarify that a bit more...what is REAL airline security?
What does a flight attendant know about TSA thievery when they are not permitted to enter any of the area's that TSA is working on aside the checkpoint and only to pass through to the airplane?
Also revise the thing up there saying TSA was going into Ops rooms, change that to "Screeners" not TSA as a whole....cause...you know...wouldn't want people thinking FAM's go into an OPS room to "steal food".
What exactly is the purpose of holding up a line in an airport to play games with TSA using evidence bags?
I don't fly much, but last year flew cross-country to see my Dad. I had absolutely no problems with TSA. Before I left, I talked with people who fly regularly. I knew what to do, I did it, went right through. TSA people kept the lines moving, when there was a hold up (someone who didn't know what to do, someone who intentionally was carrying things "just for fun" to mess with the TSA) people were immediately pulled out of line to separate areas for further search or to answer questions in order to allow the lines to keep moving. Past the detectors, benchs and tables were set up to give room for people to collect their things, put shoes on, whatever.
My Uncle, who flies constantly for his job, never has problems with TSA. Again, he knows what, when, and how to do things.
My Dad, who has bad legs and usually needs a wheelchair these days but still flies once or twice a year, never has a problem flying either.
After years of reading all these horrible stories about dealing with the TSA, I was shocked at how easy and quick things were.
I guess I just did it on the good days? So does my Uncle and my Dad? We are just lucky.
My wife is a meeting planner and flies 25 weeks a year. She has NEVER had a problem with TSA. I have had the opportunity to travel alot with her and I have never had an issue with TSA that wasn't my fault. I left a cheapo leatherman knock-off in my bag and it caused a stir but I had them throw it away and only had 5 minutes of my day wasted.
The trouble is that as American's we think we are special and that signs and warning somehow only apply to other people.
My wife has seen it all....huge signs to take off your shoes and jacket and people still try to walk through wearing both...I personally got tied up behind these two rich yuppies with $1000 worth of Gucci carry-on bags that decided to buy Latte's just before they got in line for security and were outraged they couldn't take them through and held up the line while they argued and berated the TSA agents.
When I travel I wear slip on Merril shoes with no laces...off and on in seconds....I carry NOTHING metal in my pocket...it all goes in my carry on....keep the liquids and toothpaste in a ziplock bag in an outside pocket....etc...it isn't hard and takes no more time if you plan right.
..."Think for a moment about TSA...a 5-6 year long agency that has a reputation of being one of the most hated agencies in America what they have to deal with day in and day out. What makes it worse is that there is a % of people that think TSA was employed BEFORE 9/11.
To be frank, as much as you think the majority of TSA is stupid...try working in an enviornment where you have to repeat yourself 50x every hour "Take off your shoes, theres a sign that says to do it...take your laptop out...please keep your boarding pass in hand...keep liquids out of your bag..." its utterly repetitive even though it should be common knowledge.
Take a guess what the most common response to any of the above things are..."I didn't know!"
The police forces are already stretched and TSA has a huge rollover rate for bad egg's. (Some airports had a 70+% rollover rate)..."
Jael, You've taken a job as a public servant working for TSA. Dealing with Joe and Jan Public IS YOUR JOB. If you don't like it leave. I for one have never had a problem with TSA since it's inception, ever, until last month. Flying out of NOLA, a screener took my son's pack, removed all items without our knowledge or permission. Correct me if I'm wrong but this violates your protocols correct? When I went to find it I walked up to the screener to ask and was asked to leave a "restricted area." I complied but I couldn't move fast enough for another gestapo drill screener. I said thank you, I'm leaving but she then again shouted that I needed to leave, as if I wasn't moving. The pack was returned, the screener visibly disturbed I had crossed this area( I pointed out the lack of any signs whatsoever but I also stood down). I walked away to my gate, glanced over to note her name and ID #, smiled and said thank you. She physically followed me, taunted me with a re-screening, called over an LE to question/detain me, then offered to herself detain me or at the least re-screen me. Now you tell me, was this behavior necessary, warranted, appropriate, and conducive to the operation of this checkpoint or was it a blatant abuse of perceived power???
I am waiting to hear about my complaint from TSA. I spoke to her supervisor shortly thereafter who assured me she was out of control, inappropriate, rude, and she violated TSA protocols. The poor cop thought I was some drunk jerk until I explained the situation then he just handed me a complaint form and apologized.
Dealing with the public is your job much like it is for cops, firemen, ER docs/nurses, Paramedics. If that ain't your cup of tea then move on. I have never considered any TSA employees stupid until I met that beatch. Hey I worked in the ER for a few years many moons ago and had to deal with the broad gamut of human behavior. It was my job dealing with crooks, hookers, drunks, OD's, and Joe and Jean Blow. The ER is where you meet people at their very worst. I dealt with it, went back the next day started over and smiled. One day you wake up and realize it's time to move on. You will too. I'm a traveler who flies 2-4X a year. I have to deal with all sorts of people including TSA. I'll comply with the law but if you guys step out of line I'll let you and your boss know along with everyone above him. Checks and balances fella.
Have a Great Day
mitchshrader
04-04-2008, 14:43
to Jael.
no.
in fact, hell no.
your job is unacceptable to me and i'll neither support it nor agree it's worth doing. your organizations tyranny factor is huge, your organizations budget is unsubstantiated by results, and muslims get richer every day on the fear factor. not to mention they STEAL..
no, hell no. while i've no need to prove it to others, my opinion is sufficient to prevent me supporting in any way the concept we NEED you.
we need you to go get a real job somewhere, and be useful making something, and extracting a living from the profit of your added value.
and government tyranny can suck eggs.
I noticed you are saying that a public safety offical I should not be allowed to be a bit ticked...Wonder if the cops were ticked at Rodney King...Or if the DEA agent was ticked at the drug dealer who got away and voiced his opinion...
Been to Mexico? Say no to a bag search and see what happens.
Germany? HAH I DARE YOU to say no
Jamica? A bit more leniant...they only pulled the guy into the detention center for saying he didn't know if he had anything "Dangerous"
Also, for future knowledge...many, many many...people of TSA left the Secret Service to help with TSA and many of their employee's are Ex-Secret Service...so if the majority of TSA is stupid...your calling the Secret service stupid. My boss is ex secret service, I like her a lot...her boss is ex secret service...I like him a lot...my director is ex marine corps and secret service...guess what...I like him to, and im sure YOU would like them.
When I said the rollover rate was over 70...JFK had a 90% rollover rate recently so if somebody don't make the cut, throw a party. Get fired from TSA, have fun trying to find another job for the Government...if anything TSA does a hell of a good job kicking the idiots out of other Govt. job opportunities.
I like the real job statement...just for you chief I copied this from dictionary.com
2. a post of employment; full-time or part-time position: She was seeking a job as an editor.
Just in case your unsure of what "Job" means...theres part of the definition for ya
So I just flew from Anchorage AK to Norfolk VA, only to arrive in VA and find that I have a 6 inch hunting knife in my bag, and 5 rounds of 300 WSM ammo....
I mean really, they found my Gatorade bottle, lord knows I might have been able to drown someone with that, but a knife and ammo weren't slightly higher priority?
So what have you all taken through security on accident? I know after an incident like this, I can't be the only one to have taken something through...
They are only looking for deadly nipple rings these days
I noticed you are saying that a public safety offical I should not be allowed to be a bit ticked...Wonder if the cops were ticked at Rodney King...Or if the DEA agent was ticked at the drug dealer who got away and voiced his opinion...
Been to Mexico? Say no to a bag search and see what happens.
Germany? HAH I DARE YOU to say no
Jamica? A bit more leniant...they only pulled the guy into the detention center for saying he didn't know if he had anything "Dangerous"
Also, for future knowledge...many, many many...people of TSA left the Secret Service to help with TSA and many of their employee's are Ex-Secret Service...so if the majority of TSA is stupid...your calling the Secret service stupid. My boss is ex secret service, I like her a lot...her boss is ex secret service...I like him a lot...my director is ex marine corps and secret service...guess what...I like him to, and im sure YOU would like them.
When I said the rollover rate was over 70...JFK had a 90% rollover rate recently so if somebody don't make the cut, throw a party. Get fired from TSA, have fun trying to find another job for the Government...if anything TSA does a hell of a good job kicking the idiots out of other Govt. job opportunities.
I like the real job statement...just for you chief I copied this from dictionary.com
2. a post of employment; full-time or part-time position: She was seeking a job as an editor.
Just in case your unsure of what "Job" means...theres part of the definition for ya
I'm sorry buddy but the TSA people are just GS-2 fed employees who wanna be cops but couldn't pass their GED. Seriously have you looked at the requirements to get into the TSA? And then when you get in you get on this power trip where you think you can treat people like cattle.
I really don't care what the Mexican govt will do if i say no to a bag check. I am talking about the USA here. We have something called a Bill of Rights here, our founding fathers fought a war against tyranny only to have those rights slowly eroding with each generation due to our leaders using fear to get us to let them do what they want.
MAybe if the TSA agents would treat us with respect we wouldn't be on this forum ******ing about them. You state in 6 years they've become the most hated government agency... well geee i wonder why :whistling: They steal, they intimidate, they violate our rights, they treat people like cattle, etc.
AK_Stick
04-04-2008, 21:12
I noticed you are saying that a public safety offical I should not be allowed to be a bit ticked...Wonder if the cops were ticked at Rodney King...Or if the DEA agent was ticked at the drug dealer who got away and voiced his opinion...
Been to Mexico? Say no to a bag search and see what happens.
Germany? HAH I DARE YOU to say no
Jamica? A bit more leniant...they only pulled the guy into the detention center for saying he didn't know if he had anything "Dangerous"
Also, for future knowledge...many, many many...people of TSA left the Secret Service to help with TSA and many of their employee's are Ex-Secret Service...so if the majority of TSA is stupid...your calling the Secret service stupid. My boss is ex secret service, I like her a lot...her boss is ex secret service...I like him a lot...my director is ex marine corps and secret service...guess what...I like him to, and im sure YOU would like them.
When I said the rollover rate was over 70...JFK had a 90% rollover rate recently so if somebody don't make the cut, throw a party. Get fired from TSA, have fun trying to find another job for the Government...if anything TSA does a hell of a good job kicking the idiots out of other Govt. job opportunities.
I like the real job statement...just for you chief I copied this from dictionary.com
2. a post of employment; full-time or part-time position: She was seeking a job as an editor.
Just in case your unsure of what "Job" means...theres part of the definition for ya
dude, who are you kidding?
There are more requirements to get my WG job, then there are to be a GS-2 TSA monkey.
suckersrus
04-04-2008, 23:11
]...if you hacked TSA database you would see my name under "Currently Employed".
What I would like to clear first is, TSA is not a useless organization, its a ...
To be frank, as much as you think the majority of TSA is stupid...try working in an enviornment where you have to repeat yourself 50x every hour ...
Heres a few things for a lot of you when you travel.
Go buy a travel bag ...
Keep it OUT of your bag, ...
If your so hard set on bringing this stuff on, put it in your check baggage...
If your worried about bringing a gun on the plane! Put it in your checked baggage...
Don't bring retarded things on your carry on bag...
Water? You can buy it after you go through security! Soda? Same!
If you have to have something taken by TSA...it is YOUR fault for NOT listening...
you always have the option of - Throwing the object away - Checking your bag - Or mailing it to yourself.
Always remove your shoes, jackets, belts, anything dense metal...
If you don't like TSA's rules...there is the option for taking a bus...if your traveling oversea's...a boat is always available...if all else fails, do what mapquest says and swim...
What flavor was the kool-aid?
You certaintly don't get it. This is supposed to be "The land of the free"! If the government did their job you wouldn't "need" to harass little old ladies and violate the rights of average citizens.
The day I see an inspector discover a little baggie of green vegetation, give the traveler a wink and a thumbs up then put it back in his suitcase and send him on his way, I will change my mind and say they are looking for terrorist!
The War on Terror is simply a way for the government to spy on citizens.
Sorry about peeing on your parade but get a real job and watch your self-respect grow.
http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=70140492&brd=3876&AVSDM=2008%2D03%2D26+11%3A02%3A03&q=TSA&sort=rv&vw=d&Logo=0&FedPub=Y&FedEmp=N&SUBMIT1.x=0&SUBMIT1.y=0&ss=0&SUBMIT1=Search+for+Jobs&TabNum=3&rc=2
http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=70388362&brd=3876&AVSDM=2008%2D04%2D02+10%3A24%3A25&q=TSA&sort=rv&vw=d&Logo=0&FedPub=Y&FedEmp=N&SUBMIT1.x=0&SUBMIT1.y=0&ss=0&SUBMIT1=Search+for+Jobs&TabNum=3&rc=2
http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=70155881&brd=3876&AVSDM=2008%2D03%2D27+00%3A03%3A01&q=TSA&sort=rv&vw=d&Logo=0&FedPub=Y&FedEmp=N&SUBMIT1.x=0&SUBMIT1.y=0&ss=0&SUBMIT1=Search+for+Jobs&TabNum=3&rc=2
Just a few jobs you know...that require a bit more then a GED.
"The day I see an inspector discover a little baggie of green vegetation, give the traveler a wink and a thumbs up then put it back in his suitcase and send him on his way, I will change my mind and say they are looking for terrorist!"
WTF is that? Helllooooo? Legalities don't play into this at all? Excuse me for taking that "Little bag of green vegetation" you should not have kept on your person and gave it to the police and watched you walk away in handcuffs. - Just so we are clear yet again, retract the word "Inspector" as they are not at the checkpoints and insert the word "Screener".
Also...just because I know you did not do any research before you posted the GED comment...It is required to have a GED/High School Diploma to get that job unless you have X-Ray technician experience...and which ill gladly tell you anywhere else but TSA might just as a precaution MAYBE require a bit more then a GED.
3rd most hated* I said "One of" not the most - the IRS and FEMA have taken the top two positions.
Also how the hell can you have security with everything being "The land of the free" Now I gladly say that it is an overstatement what I just said but give me a break...Other countries have great airline security compared to ours apparently from all the amazing people here that have experienced it...Who do NOT care about other countries freedoms and take their safety first rather then their freedom.
The IRS and FEMA :rofl: wow you are in god company. But if you keep making people rip out their piercings you could take FEMA's spot soon. I mean Katrina is a while ago now and people are starting to forget.. but you are guys are able to piss off people daily .
As for the jobs you posted i couldn't get the links to work but i'm sure you chose to post supervisory or desk jockey jobs. The TSA screeners start at around $24k a year, not sure if you guys are on GS level anymore but it used to be a GS-2 job. Where I work the lowest level is GS-4... at GS-4 the qualifications are low and the responsiblities are low as well.
The IRS and FEMA :rofl: wow you are in god company. But if you keep making people rip out their piercings you could take FEMA's spot soon. I mean Katrina is a while ago now and people are starting to forget.. but you are guys are able to piss off people daily .
As for the jobs you posted i couldn't get the links to work but i'm sure you chose to post supervisory or desk jockey jobs. The TSA screeners start at around $24k a year, not sure if you guys are on GS level anymore but it used to be a GS-2 job. Where I work the lowest level is GS-4... at GS-4 the qualifications are low and the responsiblities are low as well.
One of the job's was a desk job, the other was a canine unit and the other was an inspector, the difference between the inspectors and screeners are what they screen. Inspectors check large and otherwise dangerous cargo (For example, live animals, and rarely people), theres a few bomb technicians positions open that are GS-11 or 14.
I'm not defending the screener position, it needs work, a lot of work, I'm just providing the argument that TSA as a whole does a lot more then wear goofy uniforms and stand around looking at X-ray screens.
I cant get you a link to the FAM position thats open unless you have an AVUE account, but theres another position for TSA that is forgotten.
It's a new agency. It will take years to get the brother-in-laws, dim witted supervisors and senator's sons out of TSA upper management. We can train TSA Officers properly and arm them. All we need is the national will and the right leadership. I could "git 'er done", if they hire me to do it. The first thing you need is the "Straight talk express" to roll through there and plainly state the real needs of the agency and of airport security. Make a long list of every security hole in each airport and start fixing them. Hell, I could get that rolling within my first "One days."
Here was my last experience which left me baffled:
I'm flying home from Monterrey, MX, pick up bags and go through customs\immigration. Drop the bag on the conveyor belt and head upstairs to through security. Show my ID and boarding pass to the first TSA person and put my wallet, passport, boarding pass into my briefcase and send it through x-ray. Now normally I keep my ID and boarding pass on me but for some reason I sent it through this time.
Went through the metal detector and the second TSA person asked me for my ID and boarding pass. I told her I just showed it to the other TSA ten feet behind me but that obviously didn't suffice. Had to have my briefcase brought back and go through the procedure all over again.
Once I was through I pulled aside two TSA guys who didn't look terribly busy and asked them why I had to show ID and boarding pass a second time, ten feet down the process from the first time. He said the first was checking to see that the ID and boarding pass match. He didn't know what the second person was checking for. I asked why one person couldn't do both but he didn't know.
Anyone have an idea what the second checkpoints are looking for?
WI_DeerHunter13
04-05-2008, 11:39
One of my experiences sums up the TSA entirely:
My wife and I were flying out of Boston a while back and our gate was the first one after the security checkpoint, so we got to watch the TSA in action. This was right around the time of the liquid scare. One unfortunate college kid happened to have a backpack full of snacks and was selected for additional screening. Of course, they found a suspicious item in his bag and ordered him to remain where he was while they sorted it out. The item of concern? A box of microwave popcorn. You see, the TSA agent screening his bag couldn't figure out if the butter-flavoring was a liquid or not.
Without a clear directive from the higher-ups on the dangers of microwave popcorn, the agent had to then make a judgment call and proceeded to debate the issue with the other agents that had previously been standing around. One agent pointed out that movie theaters squirt on liquid butter. Another one, though, said they also sell the kind that can be sprinkled on. The poor kid tried to interject at one point that even if it did were a liquid, it was probably still below however many ounces they allowed at the time. A surly agent quickly put him in his place. How dare he interrupt; this was a matter of national security! After a heated debate, it was decided to err on the side of caution by making the kid forfeit his popcorn. (To be fair to the TSA, they did give him the option of turning around and missing his flight in order to keep his popcorn.)
That day solidified in my mind how important the unsung men and women of the TSA are to our national security. Who knows what kind of insidious terrorist plot was likely foiled by the quick thinking of those agents? That one incident likely set Al-Qaeda back years. Whole sleeper cells of popcorn-strapped operatives probably fled the country to plot another day of terrorism as a result of their heroic act. Sure, that pimply college kid was detained, threatened and had his property confiscated, but sometimes you need to break some eggs to make an omelet. Just don't try to bring that omelet onto a plane because the TSA is watching. :patriot:
Magicmanmb
04-05-2008, 13:07
I haven't had to fly since 9/11 but the last time I did I was transferring a prisoner, went throught the checkpoint with a semi-auto pistol, hand cuffs, and a keychain with a kubaton on it guess what I had to check as a deadly weapon. Since surgery I also now have a card that says I have metal implants in my neck and back to show the geniuses. The buying the water on the other side of the checkpoint is just an excuse to charge more for it. They offered me a job but the AFIS scanner was down that day then they told me what they actually pay, local hotel security pays more.
PeterJasonMN
04-05-2008, 13:46
One of my experiences sums up the TSA entirely:
My wife and I were flying out of Boston a while back and our gate was the first one after the security checkpoint, so we got to watch the TSA in action. This was right around the time of the liquid scare. One unfortunate college kid happened to have a backpack full of snacks and was selected for additional screening. Of course, they found a suspicious item in his bag and ordered him to remain where he was while they sorted it out. The item of concern? A box of microwave popcorn. You see, the TSA agent screening his bag couldn't figure out if the butter-flavoring was a liquid or not.
Without a clear directive from the higher-ups on the dangers of microwave popcorn, the agent had to then make a judgment call and proceeded to debate the issue with the other agents that had previously been standing around. One agent pointed out that movie theaters squirt on liquid butter. Another one, though, said they also sell the kind that can be sprinkled on. The poor kid tried to interject at one point that even if it did were a liquid, it was probably still below however many ounces they allowed at the time. A surly agent quickly put him in his place. How dare he interrupt; this was a matter of national security! After a heated debate, it was decided to err on the side of caution by making the kid forfeit his popcorn. (To be fair to the TSA, they did give him the option of turning around and missing his flight in order to keep his popcorn.)
That day solidified in my mind how important the unsung men and women of the TSA are to our national security. Who knows what kind of insidious terrorist plot was likely foiled by the quick thinking of those agents? That one incident likely set Al-Qaeda back years. Whole sleeper cells of popcorn-strapped operatives probably fled the country to plot another day of terrorism as a result of their heroic act. Sure, that pimply college kid was detained, threatened and had his property confiscated, but sometimes you need to break some eggs to make an omelet. Just don't try to bring that omelet onto a plane because the TSA is watching. :patriot:
WOW.
Yeah I think there might be some lines not being drawn between the entire TSA and the screenermonkeys. The TSA itself does have some good points (FAMS being one of the few). The screenermonkeys in a total sense, worthless. There's a few airports where they're ok and seem to actually know what they're doing and have common sense, but those places are few and far between.
I felt especially secure at TSA, where the average weight of the female TSA agents is akin to the starting OL of the Redskins.
ysr_racer
04-05-2008, 15:35
TSA, What good are they?
They make me take off my shoes everytime I fly :rofl:
Here was my last experience which left me baffled:
I'm flying home from Monterrey, MX, pick up bags and go through customs\immigration. Drop the bag on the conveyor belt and head upstairs to through security. Show my ID and boarding pass to the first TSA person and put my wallet, passport, boarding pass into my briefcase and send it through x-ray. Now normally I keep my ID and boarding pass on me but for some reason I sent it through this time.
Went through the metal detector and the second TSA person asked me for my ID and boarding pass. I told her I just showed it to the other TSA ten feet behind me but that obviously didn't suffice. Had to have my briefcase brought back and go through the procedure all over again.
Once I was through I pulled aside two TSA guys who didn't look terribly busy and asked them why I had to show ID and boarding pass a second time, ten feet down the process from the first time. He said the first was checking to see that the ID and boarding pass match. He didn't know what the second person was checking for. I asked why one person couldn't do both but he didn't know.
Anyone have an idea what the second checkpoints are looking for?
Second checkpoints are looking for selectee's the first person is just checking if your boarding pass is for this pier, the correct date, and the correct time if it applies.
When you go up to the metal detector if you take a peek at your ticket you'll see 4 S's in the bottom right hand corner, that indicates the airline has selected you for additional screening, TSA just has to comply. If they do not, you cant get on the plane and a few screener's are sent down to your gate to screen you right there.
USMCsilver
04-05-2008, 20:23
On my way to the Dominican, I managed a bottle of water on the outside pocket of my pack from:
Atlanta to Miami
Mianmi to Dominican
Dominican to Miami
...but got busted from Miami back to ATL. I got pissy w/ the "clerk" and said something smart about having made it through three other times. The "clerk" didn't like that comment too much.
Second checkpoints are looking for selectee's the first person is just checking if your boarding pass is for this pier, the correct date, and the correct time if it applies.
When you go up to the metal detector if you take a peek at your ticket you'll see 4 S's in the bottom right hand corner, that indicates the airline has selected you for additional screening, TSA just has to comply. If they do not, you cant get on the plane and a few screener's are sent down to your gate to screen you right there.
Thanks.
series1811
04-06-2008, 16:35
TSA was set up wrong from the start and they appear to be recognizing that, although still without the authority or ability to fix it.
TSA was originally thought up as a law enforcement arm of the Department of Justice. The airlines screamed to Congress about that, fearing they would have no control over them. Consequently, they were put under Homeland Security, and initially, (and to a large extent still do) simply mirrored the security that had been provided by the airlines previously (and that failed so miserably on 9-11).
In most ways, TSA is much worse than the general public believes, (and in a few small ways, they are better).
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