View Full Version : The gun board is stupid!
Villainous1
12-07-2007, 02:59
I was at the monthly gun board today and they are so pointless. They were "interogating" this guy about 2 speeding tickets and a warning ticket he had on his record from 3 years ago. They were persistant about wanting him to explain it.
Then with gloomy faces they all take a vote and all have to say "aprove" before the young man can go upstairs to get his license.
I've heard people talk about how useless these gun boards are, but i always dismissed your opinions for crazy gun nuts, but witnessing it first hand was eye opening.
Hailstorm
12-07-2007, 06:20
What does "shall Issue" mean? Thats what I would say. Unless they can prove he has done something wrong that disqualifies him. They can take a long walk off a short pier. I do understand them wanting to make sure he is not a idiot. But, 3 years ago?
well, when you have a bunch of people all tell you that the gun boards are worthless and "try" to deny people, it isn't a coincidence. The reason they ask those questions is to see how you react and what your response will be. If they don't "like it", they will try to deny you, fortunately for us, they really can't do that anymore with shall issue. It's funny watching them try though. They go through the motions, acting all concerned and hesitant, then they all go "well, I guess, approved"... thanks for the vote of confidence. I didn't see one person go there and be approved with a smile, or statement of "you are a upstanding citizen, thanks for caring enough to protect yourself and your loved ones." They hate us mere peasants being armed and carrying.
I hope that eventually this gunboard business will be finished and no longer used. It does not accomplish anything other than insulting the people of that county, and frankly it's sad. The prosecuting attorney for Ottawa County, after losing the case against a allegan reserve deputy, stated that the courts have made gunboards "powerless." Well, thats what shall issue means, you have no power, it is an administrative job that should be left to the secretary of state's office like all other licenses. They are still trying to live like this is a May Issue state, and have lost/will lose, now that it isn't anymore, thank God.
The gun board is nothing but the kids that were on your block, that you never played with. Now that they are all grown up and still useless, they are seeking revenge.
TAC-GLOCK
12-07-2007, 18:29
Speeding tickets? :rofl: Those are minor traffic infractions that would have nothing at all to do with being approved, or denied for a CPL.
JoeDoe22
12-07-2007, 19:28
What county?
Troubleshooter
12-07-2007, 20:06
The gun board is stupid!
Yep I agree.
When I went my approval was delayed until I got a medical release because I had went to a grief counselor after my step daughter was killed by a illegal alien drunk driver.
Troubleshooter
12-07-2007, 20:09
What county?
Villainous1 stated in another post it was Ottawa county.
MakeMineaP99
12-07-2007, 21:32
The gun board is stupid!
Yep I agree.
When I went my approval was delayed until I got a medical release because I had went to a grief counselor after my step daughter was killed by a illegal alien drunk driver.
You must be in Kent County.
Villainous1
12-08-2007, 04:46
Trouble is correct, Ottawa County gun board. I was sitting watching them argue with the man about his speeding tickets 3 years ago and I couldn't understand why. He claimed he only had 2, and he got a warning ticket once, but they said he had 3. Also he was in an accident where a drunk driver hit him and they probed him about that.
Troubleshooter
12-08-2007, 07:32
You must be in Kent County.
Ottawa county
I went through the second month the law went into affect.
It took me another 2 months to satisfy there concerns. I found a Doctor through a contact at MCRGO to go to the board with me.
It was a big PITA.
When I renewed I was not required to go before the board.
The county boards need to go.
Warhorse
12-08-2007, 09:19
The county boards need to go.
Truer words have never been spoken.
snakebyte
12-09-2007, 21:14
How are the livingston county boards? Same crap?
Gun boards stink. We get to go before them here in Cass county. It was pretty quick and painless, but it's the principle of it.
Scooter70
12-12-2007, 20:09
Boy am I glad that we don't have to go through that BS here in Oakland County. I'm sorry to hear that you guys have to do it.
Glock 19 God
12-12-2007, 21:06
The Saginaw County gun board ran by good old Charlie Brown is a joke, as well. They were trying to give me a hard time about speeding tickets from when I was 16. They reminded me before the "vote" that they can revoke my license for anything including a speeding ticket.
bearclaw
12-14-2007, 07:58
How are the livingston county boards? Same crap?
3 years ago Livingston County was 3 quick questions and an "approved", but then again I didn't have even a speeding ticket on my record :tongueout:
Turtle13
12-19-2007, 18:46
My CCW instructor told us that a gun board is just a bunch of guys put in place to make you think they don't have to give you the permit.
Then he said, and I quote "That's hog s***."
TAC-GLOCK
12-19-2007, 18:50
My CCW instructor told us that a gun board is just a bunch of guys put in place to make you think they don't have to give you the permit.
Then he said, and I quote "That's hog s***."
You would think they could do something more meaningful with our tax dollars! :rant:
omega48038
12-21-2007, 14:46
Macomb County was totally painless, just a few standard questions. Took all of 30 seconds. Of course, Macomb County became a shall issue county long before the state changed over. Pretty gun friendly here.
Michiglock
12-23-2007, 10:22
Macomb County does have it right. The rest seem to just be fleecing the tax payers.
Trouble is correct, Ottawa County gun board. I was sitting watching them argue with the man about his speeding tickets 3 years ago and I couldn't understand why. He claimed he only had 2, and he got a warning ticket once, but they said he had 3. Also he was in an accident where a drunk driver hit him and they probed him about that.
Control freaks! :moonie: :puking: :rant:
skunkworks
12-23-2007, 11:09
Washtenaw does it right, you don't have to even go unless you want to.
They reminded me before the "vote" that they can revoke my license for anything including a speeding ticket.
they were talking out of their asses and don't know the law, then.
if i had the time and the money, i'd LOVE for them to pull **** like that on me. I'd have a lawyer before they got home and took their nightly dump, and be suing them within a few days.
thankfully, Oakland county is just about paperwork.
bassplayer
12-26-2007, 22:03
Macomb County does have it right. The rest seem to just be fleecing the tax payers.
I don't see how, there shouldn't be a gun board at all. Oakland county has it right. You get it in the mail :)
EarnhardtFan
01-12-2008, 10:10
Kalamazoo county no problem. The sheriff dept. people were nice doing the fingerprinting, the county admin. people were real nice. No going in front of the gun board, just a message to come and pick up the permit.
snakebyte
01-12-2008, 11:42
Just went and got fingerprinted a couple weeks ago, just waiting for them now. Nobody knew where I was supposed to go to pay, I told them 3 times it was for a ccw, and the girl at the clerks place said get fingerprinted first then come back. I told her the app says pay first, but she insisted, so I went over to the jail, and they sent me back. Then after a few more minutes of this lady acting like I am stupid, and giving me dirty looks, she said I am at the wrong clerks office. Theres one on the other side of town I needed to go to. The people there were very friendly. I think I should get it just because I was so patient with them. But all in all, painless.
Generalcarry
01-13-2008, 10:41
My CCW instructor told us that a gun board is just a bunch of guys put in place to make you think they don't have to give you the permit.
Then he said, and I quote "That's hog s***."
My gun board was made up of Carl Marlinga, Sheriff Hackle and I forget the womans name. I wouldn't place a lot faith in what a CCW instructor thinks, it's usually just a part time gig.
steveksux
01-20-2008, 17:35
When the state was "may issue", the gun boards had something to do, and the power to grant or deny.
Going to shall issue stripped them of their power. Probably should have disbanded them as well, instead of humiliating them like this. Forced to bluff and bluster when they know they have no authority to deny permits anymore on their whims. Got to be hard for the gun boards in counties that used to enjoy denying people's permit applications.
Randy
Turtle13
01-26-2008, 14:30
My gun board was made up of Carl Marlinga, Sheriff Hackle and I forget the womans name. I wouldn't place a lot faith in what a CCW instructor thinks, it's usually just a part time gig.
Those names mean absolutely nothing to me and they should mean the same to you. Are you sure you know what the laws are yourself? They can't deny a person with a clean record their permit if they've fulfilled their obligations. Period.
When you go to renew bring your lawyer. That oughtta please them.
douglasd
02-18-2008, 11:17
I must say the the Shiawassee County gun board was a pleasant experience. In Shiawassee County you don't have to appear before the board unless there's a "red flag", or something isn't clear on your application.
That's what happened to me. I had to check the box that said I had been convicted of a misdemeanor or felony in the past, but they neglected to tell me at the county clerk's office that if I check that, I needed to add another sheet explaining what it was, when it was, etc.
I didn't add the sheet, so all they had to go on was that I had been convicted of something in the past...it didn't even tell them whether it was a felony or misdemeanor.
Once I explained that in my young and foolish days I had one impaired driving charge (a misdemeanor), many years ago, all was fine and they approved me on the spot.
When I renew, I'll add the sheet of explanation and I shouldn't even have to go before the board.
Many counties don't have you go before the board, and some have everyone go see the board automatically.
douglasd
02-18-2008, 11:41
They reminded me before the "vote" that they can revoke my license for anything including a speeding ticket.
That's total BS! Speeding tickets don't even count against you even if you just got it the day before you apply. A speeding ticket is a civil infraction, not a misdemeanor. In other words, not a "crime"...it's like a parking ticket. It can add points to your driving record, and if you get enough, they can take your drivers license away, but there's no criminal charge.
Speeding is not listed among the reasons to disqualify a person from obtaining a CPL on the application literature.
Idiots like that just make me...:steamed:
snakebyte
02-18-2008, 11:44
I go before the board tomorrow am in Livingston county. How should I dress, etc?
douglasd
02-18-2008, 11:44
Gun boards stink. We get to go before them here in Cass county. It was pretty quick and painless, but it's the principle of it.
Hey, Tom....
Where are you in Cass County? I live up near Lansing now, but I was born and raised in Dowagiac, and lived there until about 20 years ago.
douglasd
02-18-2008, 11:53
I go before the board tomorrow am in Livingston county. How should I dress, etc?
I'm all for not making waves...even though they can't count sloppiness against you.
I wore dress pants, and a button-down shirt, but no suit or tie. I figure it can't hurt to dress clean and neat and have a decent haircut.
I mean, I wouldn't go in with jeans full of holes, long hair, a dirty T-shirt...that CPL was too important to me to take any chances. They can't deny you for that reason, but if they wanted to be pr*cks about it, they could delay it a couple weeks.
I go before the board tomorrow am in Livingston county. How should I dress, etc?
Dress how you normally do, unless you wear fishnet stockings or something. :dunno:
snakebyte
02-18-2008, 23:29
I think ya'll would be a little scared if I wore fishnets... But maybe they would just give it to me to get me the hell outta there :) I hope I get it, I have done nothing illegal. I really need it for a job I got, and can't wait too much longer. I heard they give the permits that day, I hope thats true. I'm excited and really nevous. Gonna be a sleepless night. Jeff
MakeMineaP99
02-18-2008, 23:37
I think ya'll would be a little scared if I wore fishnets... But maybe they would just give it to me to get me the hell outta there :) I hope I get it, I have done nothing illegal. I really need it for a job I got, and can't wait too much longer. I heard they give the permits that day, I hope thats true. I'm excited and really nevous. Gonna be a sleepless night. Jeff
My buddy just got his in Macomb County. Went to the hearing, wore business attire (no tie though), answered questions with a "yes sir", "no sir" and was done in five minutes. Gave him the "blue card" to sign, he signed, they laminated and sent him on his way.
Why do you folks want to carry gun's? Is it because it's cool or is there some other answer?
MakeMineaP99
02-19-2008, 06:38
Why do you folks want to carry gun's? Is it because it's cool or is there some other answer?
"For all lawful purposes."
Not from MI, but I'm reading this and shaking my head...Ludicrous....Is it possible for a resident of one county to get his license in another to avoid an unfriendly board?
drew
MakeMineaP99
02-19-2008, 09:59
Not from MI, but I'm reading this and shaking my head...Ludicrous....Is it possible for a resident of one county to get his license in another to avoid an unfriendly board?
drew
By law, they must issue if you meet the requirements as MI is now a shall issue state. The board is obsolete, left over from the old may issue system and is a formality.
Why do you folks want to carry gun's? Is it because it's cool or is there some other answer?
Is this a serious question?
snakebyte
02-19-2008, 11:19
Is this a serious question?
I really hope it is a joke...:steamed: I went in before my appt, They asked me 5-6 yes or no questions, said issue license, the next guy said seconded. They laminated it right there, and said ok, here ya go! Less than a minute. I was home before my appt was supposed to start. Really friendly people. Now I'm armed! :cool:
snakebyte
02-19-2008, 11:20
Not from MI, but I'm reading this and shaking my head...Ludicrous....Is it possible for a resident of one county to get his license in another to avoid an unfriendly board?
drew
I do not believe you can go to another county to apply. I'm not 100%, but I think it might say something in the ccw packet about it. I'll check.
douglasd
02-19-2008, 20:30
I do not believe you can go to another county to apply. I'm not 100%, but I think it might say something in the ccw packet about it. I'll check.
I think you're right...I believe you have to go to the county seat of the county in which you reside.
Generalcarry
02-20-2008, 16:59
Those names mean absolutely nothing to me and they should mean the same to you. Are you sure you know what the laws are yourself? They can't deny a person with a clean record their permit if they've fulfilled their obligations. Period.
When you go to renew bring your lawyer. That oughtta please them.
Why should those names mean something to you, your not from Macomb County? Just be happy IQ doesn't count in Flint.
In Ingham county I just turned in the paperwork and about three weeks later they called and said I could come pick up the license. No interview at all. :cool:
Turtle13
02-22-2008, 23:29
Why should those names mean something to you, your not from Macomb County? Just be happy IQ doesn't count in Flint.
You missed my point....this is a "shall issue" state. Those peoples names are nothing and they can't stop you from getting your permit to carry.
Troubleshooter
02-23-2008, 07:19
You missed my point....this is a "shall issue" state. Those peoples names are nothing and they can't stop you from getting your permit to carry.
The original post is about how Ottawa county harasses people going in front of the board here. They may not be able to deny as many as they like and I think it pi$$es them off that they can't. But they sure like to try to intimidate some of the people that go before them.
The gun boards need to be gone and put the process into the states hands. IE Secretary of state with no board.
Generalcarry
02-23-2008, 10:15
You missed my point....this is a "shall issue" state. Those peoples names are nothing and they can't stop you from getting your permit to carry.
Now I see where you're coming from. I agree, but you have to remember the people on these gun boards didn't apply for the gun board job, it's an assigned "extra duty". The board is definitely a rubber stamp, period. However, when it come to dealing with the general public on a one to one basis, regardless of which side of the table you occupy, you'll sometimes be dealing with idiots.
You're there because you WANT to be.
Hey, Tom....
Where are you in Cass County? I live up near Lansing now, but I was born and raised in Dowagiac, and lived there until about 20 years ago.
Doug I live just east of the Berrian county line on Redfield Rd.
MakeMineaP99
02-26-2008, 18:44
Doug I live just east of the Berrian county line on Redfield Rd.
I live in Granger, IN, right down the road from Hess Industries.
The gun board is nothing but the kids that were on your block, that you never played with. Now that they are all grown up and still useless, they are seeking revenge.
Revenge of the Nerds.
Glad I have my permanent residence in Oakland county... I'm at college right now in Ottawa County and would hate to go through that process. I applied last week and from what I gather Oakland C mails you the permit, no gun board, no nada. Everybody was nice during the process as well... even the Oakland County Sheriffs at the courthouse were helpful.
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