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WolfmanGK
05-12-2002, 13:08
Yes, I know, a .308 is insufficient. However, what about a semiauto, like the French MAS? If the first shot didn't drop him, you could give him a few more till he does drop. What are people's thoughts on this?

10mmGuy
05-12-2002, 14:33
Sounds good to me. But then again I hope to someday go after one with my 20.;g

sharpshooter
05-12-2002, 15:14
.308 NATO means FMJ, and that's not really desireable compared to all the great hunting bullets out there. A heavy expanding bullet will do th ejob just fine if you do your job decently.

DJ Niner
05-12-2002, 19:43
When I lived in Alaska, many folks I knew who wandered the bush selected a full-size or Tanker Garand in .30-06, filled with surplus AP ammo. I don't believe they were legal for hunting, but either one had great penetration for defensive shots on large carnivores. The .308 would do just as well, probably, IF a person could handle it quickly and skillfully in a VERY stressful situation.

As usual, the person is potentially the weakest point in the loop.

Mark 19
05-14-2002, 16:18
I've heard 2nd hand stories of elephant poachers using .308 semiautos, because they were available as surplus, and ammo is cheap compared to the big bores. Can anyone confirm?

WolfmanGK
05-15-2002, 05:26
Originally posted by sharpshooter
.308 NATO means FMJ, and that's not really desireable compared to all the great hunting bullets out there. A heavy expanding bullet will do th ejob just fine if you do your job decently.


Very true, however, I stress the point that the rifle is an automatic, and you will have the opportunity if needed for a second shot drop.

DJ Niner
05-15-2002, 19:47
Don't count on having the time or chance for a second shot -- make the first one COUNT. Bear encounters are often sudden and very unexpected; both you and the bear are startled as you pop around a turn in the trail, etc. A griz (as I have been told MANY times) can out-sprint a racehorse; if he's close, one shot may well be all you get.

Most guys who got chewed-up by bears in Alaska when I was there each shared a similar problem; no matter what gun they were carrying, they had it slung over their back or pack (instead of in their hands, ready-to-use). Some of them were even carrying chamber-empty! How fast and sure can you work your bolt-gun when old fish-breath is "bear"ing down on you?

Many of the hunting guides use a sabot-loaded slug shotgun (pump, for reliability) with extended mag; very fast and controllable, and most bird hunters can use it almost instinctively (point and shoot). Others use a .338 WM, .375 H&H, .416 Rem, or other BIG rifles; very hard to shoot these well, and ammo is VERY expensive.

Practice with whatever you choose is probably more important then WHAT you choose.

shrpshtr
05-16-2002, 01:43
.308 would be fine, 30.06, or .270 would be as well in a hunting situation. shot placement is obviously critical. in a self-defense situation, there is very little you can do with a long gun. imo, the best thing you can do is carry a .44mag or bigger with really hot loads.

or you could be an idiot like me...i am going to use my Hoyt Fast Flight bow w/125gr broad heads from the ground.

duncan
05-16-2002, 06:38
With excellent shot placement, an Indian lady in Alaska took done a Grizzly with a .22 rifle.

But you're better off with 7mm Rem Mag or 45/70 or the like.

Better overpowdered than under!

BWR55
05-17-2002, 23:33
Which cartridge exactly is the .308 Nato? Is it the 7.62X39, the
7.62X51, the 7.62X54 or the 30-06? Just wander. Not looking to get flamed just ignorance on my part.

Dadburn
05-18-2002, 10:03
308 is the 7.62x51,7.62 x 39 is an AK round

BWR55
05-18-2002, 10:19
Thanks for your reply Dadburn. I thought that was probably it but just didn't know. That is the American .308 Winchester round then. commonly (or not so common)known for it's military use in the M14. Which I hear a lot of the Navy boys want to phase out. They are (I believe) the only branch of service still using them.