Full Auto Glock, How Can I Get One?

[zackwatt]

I have found a few Glock 18s for sale, but only Law Enforcement can purchase them. What is a guy to do? Is there another way? Is there a conversion kit I can get for an existing Glock?

[troy96]

I have found a few Glock 18s for sale, but only Law Enforcement can purchase them. What is a guy to do? Is there another way? Is there a conversion kit I can get for existing an Glock?

Move overseas. That is the only way to get a G18. Or you can risk an extended stay in a federal prison by getting an FSSG switch.

[MOTHERGREEN]

I've got one for you. last one left. only 15 grand. try getting it for that cheap anywhere else! you send me the money I send you the parts.


















:whistling:

[GMT II]

Short answer: no.
Long (expensive) answer: maybe

[dakrat]

I have found a few Glock 18s for sale, but only Law Enforcement can purchase them. What is a guy to do? Is there another way? Is there a conversion kit I can get for an existing Glock?

who needs a full auto pistol? do u have bad intention?

[686Owner]

who needs a full auto pistol? do u have bad intention?

who needs 17 rounds in a magazine?

[brahmabull8413]

No, you can't get one.

[zackwatt]

What a shame. The laws that limit the Glock 18 sure are a bummer. It is a shame it falls outside the normal Class III rules. I am an enthusiast and this is a must have for my collection. There are three Glock 18-C's on gun-broker right now. Too bad, I don't have any Law Enforcement connections.

See:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=87300331

[Butch]

What a shame. The laws that limit the Glock 18 sure are a bummer. It is a shame it falls outside the normal Class III rules. I am an enthusiast and this is a must have for my collection. There are three Glock 18-C's on gun-broker right now. Too bad, I don't have any Law Enforcement connections.
Law Enforcement 'connections' wouldn't help, it would have to belong to the Agency.....individual LEO's can't buy them either.

You would have to become a Class three FFL holder and get a letter from a law enforcement agency saying that they'd like to try out a G18. Then, if you can find one for sale (like the one's you point out maybe), you can buy one as a 'sales sample'.

The problem, as I understand it, is that you would have to be in the business of selling firearms, and failing to do so would result in an eventual loss of the FFL.....and when the FFL goes, the G18 also has to go as it is not transferable, and cannot be retained by you without the Class three FFL.

Another option is to move to the Philippines.....they appear to be able to have them there! :)



:patriot:

[Rocetmal]

who needs 17 rounds in a magazine?

People who dont plan to be 100% accurate in a SD situation?

Are you a "1 bad guy, 1 bullet" carrier?

[JaredAG]

Is there another way? Is there a conversion kit I can get for an existing Glock?

I have also wondered this. How hard would it really be to make it full auto? I know its illegal as crap, but I'm sure people do it. JW.

[MOTHERGREEN]

I already told you guys.. send me 15k and the parts are yours sheesh.. you gang bangers sure are slow.

[blownhemi]

Looks in the free fire zone, all your questions will be answered

[Butch]

I have also wondered this. How hard would it really be to make it full auto? I know its illegal as crap, but I'm sure people do it. JW.
Only stupid people.

I wouldn't chance loosing my ability to own firearms for the rest of my life just to play with an illegal full auto....not to mention the prison time and the attorney fee.




:patriot:

[GLOCK_27]

anyone know of any ranges in ohio they have GLOCK 18's for rent

[troy96]

None, quite sad. But like I said if you want a chance to shoot the G30 let me know. NEO Clevelander is up for a range trip to Stonewalls.

[NYC Drew]

anyone know of any ranges in ohio they have GLOCK 18's for rent

I'm a litte curious (I am not a cop, or any other type of LEO).

How old are you?

'Drew

[x_The_Jackal_x]

People who dont plan to be 100% accurate in a SD situation?

Are you a "1 bad guy, 1 bullet" carrier?

I think he was being facetious.

[cypher1024]

I have also wondered this. How hard would it really be to make it full auto? I know its illegal as crap, but I'm sure people do it. JW.

Yes it can be done pretty simply, but I'm not going to tell you how. There are a few ways to go about it, but if you just want a quick hack it could be done in 5 or 10 minutes. Select-fire is where things get difficult, but it's also possible if you're determined.

Don't do it though. You'll go to prison for sure.
Besides, full auto is only good for suppressing fire. Sharp-shooting is much more valuable, and legal.

[rearviewmirror]

Here's the conversion document from the ATF. I wouldn't recommend trying it or being caught with one your possession unless you have the proper licenses.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/GlockConvSw.pdf

[M11/9forfun]

I already told you guys.. send me 15k and the parts are yours sheesh.. you gang bangers sure are slow.

Man you ATF guys sure are getting greedy---what happened to the $19.95 kits??:tongueout::rofl:

[voodoomanx]

Ibtl ;)

[TEX]

There are only two legal ways to get your hands on a G-18 and both involve a boat load (big boat) of money.

Method1 - bribe enough law making elected officials to change the laws.

Method 2 - buy up a buch of land, egt it incorporated as a city, develope a police department, become the cheif and then order your G-18

[wilsoni91]

Either get a job in law enforcement were they issure you one or pay the money and wait your time. I got a buddy who is on a SWAT team and they issued him one. It is a lot of fun to shoot.

[sparky241]

I have also wondered this. How hard would it really be to make it full auto? I know its illegal as crap, but I'm sure people do it. JW.

ahh i hate to be a party pooper but isnt talking about how to modify a fire arm like this illegal?

[NYC Drew]

ahh i hate to be a party pooper but isnt talking about how to modify a fire arm like this illegal?

It depends on where you live.

No go in the USA.

[MOTHERGREEN]

Man you ATF guys sure are getting greedy---what happened to the $19.95 kits??:tongueout::rofl:

if you make it look too cheap it seems like a trap :tongueout:

[UZIFORME]

You could always get a job as a Glock Salesman. Who do you think does the demos for police departments.

[Glockdude1]

Airsoft.

:thumbsup:

[Quiet]

Airsoft.

:thumbsup:

Sad, but true.

The Airsoft version of the Glock Model 18 is the closest most civilians will get to ever legally owning a full auto Glock.

[MOTHERGREEN]

my friend had an airsoft g18 they are cool hehe but I could fire more accuratly with my airsoft g17 :whistling:

[slewfoot]

ahh i hate to be a party pooper but isnt talking about how to modify a fire arm like this illegal?

Talking is still legal, at least, until the next election. After that, all bets are off. I hear the gun grabbers have plans for your thoughts also.

[freakshow10mm]

But if you are talking about illegal activity, it is against the GT rules.

[GLOCK_27]

I'm a litte curious (I am not a cop, or any other type of LEO).

How old are you?

'Drew

im 20

[AFshooter]

At the last gun show I was at one of the Class 3 guys had a Glock 18. Had the selector switch and "18" on the slide and everything. It even had a cool forward folding stock that doubled as a forward grip when folded.
If you have the money and you are the COP, it's yours.


Sad, but true.

The Airsoft version of the Glock Model 18 is the closest most civilians will get to ever legally owning a full auto Glock.

[RWBlue]

At the last gun show I was at one of the Class 3 guys had a Glock 18. Had the selector switch and "18" on the slide and everything. It even had a cool forward folding stock that doubled as a forward grip when folded.
If you have the money and you are the COP, it's yours.

What brand stock?
I am on the lookout for another stock for my Glock SBR.

[TM1]

What brand stock?
I am on the lookout for another stock for my Glock SBR.

You have a Glock with a 16" barrel or are you just abiding by GT TOS? Just curious as I've never seen such an animal and wanted to make sure I'm not missing something.

[Blitzer]

None, quite sad. But like I said if you want a chance to shoot the G30 let me know. NEO Clevelander is up for a range trip to Stonewalls.


Stonewalls, yech! :puking:

One of the CCW organizations won't use them for a training facility, I wonder why?

:dunno:

[Glockdude1]

You have a Glock with a 16" barrel or are you just abiding by GT TOS? Just curious as I've never seen such an animal and wanted to make sure I'm not missing something.

No TOS violation at all. A SBR is a LEGALY registered weapon that has a barrel under 16" and has a butt stock attached to it. In this case a SBR Glock is legaly allowed to have a buttstock on it. Thus endth the sermon.

:supergrin:

[TM1]

No TOS violation at all. A SBR is a LEGALY registered weapon that has a barrel under 16" and has a butt stock attached to it. In this case a SBR Glock is legaly allowed to have a buttstock on it. Thus endth the sermon.

:supergrin:

Hmm I think I get the gist of what you are saying, just to be sure can you point me towards an example of such a Glock?

[Glockdude1]

Hmm I think I get the gist of what you are saying, just to be sure can you point me towards an example of such a Glock?

Any Glock pistol can have a stock added to it. The hollow space behind the magazine us where the stock is attached.
http://www.redstararms.com/glock-stock-1.gif

:supergrin:

[TM1]

Any Glock pistol can have a stock added to it. The hollow space behind the magazine us where the stock is attached.
http://www.redstararms.com/glock-stock-1.gif

:supergrin:

Well yeah, but I thought that was illegal?

[RWBlue]

You have a Glock with a 16" barrel or are you just abiding by GT TOS? Just curious as I've never seen such an animal and wanted to make sure I'm not missing something.

I have a Glock21 SBR. I filed the proper paperwork, paid off the gov, received my tax stamp.

Any Glock pistol can have a stock added to it. The hollow space behind the magazine us where the stock is attached.
http://www.redstararms.com/glock-stock-1.gif

:supergrin:

It kind of looks like the above pic.

It is really a hoot to shoot.
I have that stock as well as the impulse stock.
I have an AA 22LR kit + 22LR suppressor for it as well as a 45ACP suppressor.

As a side note that stock can be had with an end that will fit a camera. This was useful in stabilizing the little camcorder when fully zoomed. (HINT HINT, stay legal).

[Glockdude1]

Well yeah, but I thought that was illegal?

Only if the weapon is not registered with the ATF.

[TM1]

I see, I wasn't aware that they could be converted to a rifle and registered, thanks for the info.

[Dutchboy02]

This is all you need:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/wilhel1/1605775_476ea3b78272c.jpg
BTW I don't have nor sell these.
In Germany these are legal to own (no permits required) but illegal to install.:crazy:
Quess what: they sell like fresh cakes on the internet, even to many Europeans for whom this is a big nono.

[RWBlue]

This is all you need:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/wilhel1/1605775_476ea3b78272c.jpg
BTW I don't have nor sell these.
In Germany these are legal to own (no permits required) but illegal to install.:crazy:
Quess what: they sell like fresh cakes on the internet, even to many Europeans for whom this is a big nono.

Technically, in the USA you could own one of those if it wasn't registered and you DIDN'T own a Glock.

Then again, I own a Glock, I don't think the penalty is worth the crime.

[Orangelo]

Nope, in the US those are a part or set of parts for converting a gun into a machine gun so they fall under the NFA and will get you serious hard time whether you also have a Glock or not.

Factory machinegun parts are not parts designed to convert a semi-auto into full-auto because factory MGs are MGs to begin with. That's why you can have a FA bolt carrier and a Colt AR15 without a sear hole and it wouldn't be illegal. You could have a factory Glock 18 slide with all components and it wouldn't be illegal unless you had somehow modified it to fit on your Glock 17 frame. Then it would become: part or set of parts for converting a gun into a machine gun.

[RWBlue]

Nope, in the US those are a part or set of parts for converting a gun into a machine gun so they fall under the NFA and will get you serious hard time whether you also have a Glock or not.


:upeyes:
No it is not illegal.

I should be able to convert any AK into full auto with a shoe string. Are all shoe strings machine guns?

I should be able to convert a Glock with a paper clip. Are all paper clips machine guns?

The fact that I am not violating the law doesn't mean that I wouldn't get harassed, but I wouldn't be breaking the law.

[UZIFORME]

A shoestring has a legal use, a paper clip has a legal use so those items are not illegal untill used in an illegal manner.

The Glock conversion device has not legal purpose but to make it a machinegun so it is an machinegun conversion device and illegal if not registered.

Same as a Drop in Auto Sear or Lightning Link converters for the AR15.

[RWBlue]

A shoestring has a legal use, a paper clip has a legal use so those items are not illegal untill used in an illegal manner.

The Glock conversion device has not legal purpose but to make it a machinegun so it is an machinegun conversion device and illegal if not registered.

Same as a Drop in Auto Sear or Lightning Link converters for the AR15.

Interesting theory.

How about the SBR upper receivers? They have no purpose except for making SBRs. If you don't have a lower, the ATF has said that they are legal.


Additionally, are you saying I can have a Glock conversion, if I design a device that can legally use it? I am thinking about a .40 cal paintball gun.

[rkba_net]

[QUOTE=RWBlue;9513520]Interesting theory.

How about the SBR upper receivers? They have no purpose except for making SBRs. If you don't have a lower, the ATF has said that they are legal.
QUOTE]

You can use them to make a pistol... or on a registered full-auto lower...

[uzimon]

form your own little town, with your own "police dept"

[myglockisa23]

If you own a Glock manufactured prior to May 1986, can you use a conversion switch to convert it to full auto?

[RWBlue]

If you own a Glock manufactured prior to May 1986, can you use a conversion switch to convert it to full auto?

The year of your Glock doesn't matter.

Joe Citizen cannot make machine guns today.

But a Class3 manufacturer can for LEO/Gov. or post-ban Class3 dealer sample.


(BTW, I don't think it is worth arguing over the legal of having the part or not, I think the ATF would hassle me if I had that part, even if I had a Glock Clone that used it to shoot paint balls. It is well into the grey zone that many would say it is black.)

[Glockdude1]

If you own a Glock manufactured prior to May 1986, can you use a conversion switch to convert it to full auto?

No..............

[myglockisa23]

No..............


I'll just enjoy my suppressed G17!!!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/dwaine/P1010226.jpg

[Glockdude1]

I'll just enjoy my suppressed G17!!!
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/dwaine/P1010226.jpg

Outstanding!!
What kind of suppressor is it?
Wet, dry or both?
Replaceable baffles?
Booster?
Fav ammo?

:wow:

[Morgo]

So in Germany you can buy an FSSG style switch over the counter at a gun shope no questions asked?

Sounds a little hard to believe they would just sell them to the general public.

[Dutchboy02]

So in Germany you can buy an FSSG style switch over the counter at a gun shope no questions asked?

Sounds a little hard to believe they would just sell them to the general public.


It's true, in Germany the barrel and slide are the registered parts. One can buy all other parts, including the receiver without a permit.

I visit Europe's largest Gun Show in Kassel (Germany) almost every year. No problem to buy a M2 set for the M1 carbine or the FSSG switch.
Ton's of G17 1st Generation receivers from the Austrian Army are for sale at the moment.

I will send you a p.m.

[myglockisa23]

Outstanding!!
What kind of suppressor is it?
Wet, dry or both?
Replaceable baffles?
Booster?
Fav ammo?

:wow:


Advanced Armament Evo-9
I only shoot dry
Lifetime warranty
So far, Wolf Gold 147 JHP is the quietest for me.... want to try Special K

[che_70b]

I noticed the wolf gold 147 grain in your pic. I have found that to be the best shooting round in my G26. So much so that I use for my carry ammo. Would you happen to know a good place to order it from since I have been hoarding the limited quantity I found locally.

[myglockisa23]

cabelas $17.99 or midway usa....

[RenegadeGlocker]

So in Germany you can buy an FSSG style switch over the counter at a gun shope no questions asked?

Sounds a little hard to believe they would just sell them to the general public.

Every Customs Inspector in the US has been briefed on what they look like.

[Morgo]

Every Customs Inspector in the US has been briefed on what they look like.

Thats good to know, but the question is, has every customs inspector in Australia been briefed on what they look like? :)

[RenegadeGlocker]

Thats good to know, but the question is, has every customs inspector in Australia been briefed on what they look like? :)

Didn't think you guys had guns anymore for that to matter?

[Morgo]

lol,

Not as many as we would like, we just have to remember it could be worse and we could be like the guys in England and at the same time try not to think about you lucky guys in the US

[Glock 31 owner]

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=3712
Here is something that will make you say HTF can that be sold. I like the warning at the bottom.

[Orangelo]

It can be legally sold because there is a legal reason someone might want instructions on how to do the conversion.

A Class 2 special taxpayer might be interested in making a post-1986 sample Glock.

[canopy2k]

If you are even halfway mechanically inclined, converting a glock to F/A is very simple. If you need a book to figure it out, you probably shouldn't be doing it anyway.

c2k

[DriBak]

This guy says he sends them to the US all the time in a package marked "automobile parts" they slide right through customs