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jnojr
12-18-2007, 17:13
UT is a possible destination for me and the female unit. It's far enough north to, hopefully, not fall to swarms of millions of illegals very quickly, but not so far north as to be iced over 11 months out of the year.

Are full-autos, SBRs, silencers, etc. legal?

What is the weather generally like, especially in the southern part of the state?

Any particular areas to look at, or avoid?

UtahBen
12-18-2007, 19:35
We still habe plenty of illegals here, just not as many as SD

If you are looking for warm weather, St. George si the way to go. The weather there is similair to Phoenix. HOT in the summer, mild in fall-winter-spring.

The government is very gun friendly here. No problem with suppresors, SBR's or Class 3 if you have the time and $ for the licensing.

Most of St. George is agood area. Only places to avoid up north near Salt lake are West Valley, Rose Park, Midvale.

Utah County is where I recently bought a home. You can get a 3500 Sq foor home for 160 near where I live in Eagle Mountain. I live in Lehi right by Cabaela's (don't even ask me what i spend their per month :)

Let me know if you have any more specific questions.

Steve Koski
12-18-2007, 22:14
j - You a mormon? If not, you might want to check the place out first before moving here.

RMTactical
12-18-2007, 23:35
UT is a possible destination for me and the female unit. It's far enough north to, hopefully, not fall to swarms of millions of illegals very quickly, but not so far north as to be iced over 11 months out of the year.

Are full-autos, SBRs, silencers, etc. legal?

What is the weather generally like, especially in the southern part of the state?

Any particular areas to look at, or avoid?

Yes, registered full autos and silencers (SBR's as well) are all legal. It is a fairly pro-gun state, much better than CA.

The southern part of the state has warmer areas (I would equate St George more to Vegas than PHX, as the weather isn't quite that hot. I have lived in PHX and Vegas, and yes, you can tell a difference in the summer time between the two), but it also has colder areas as well. Just about 45 minutes NE of St. George is Cedar City, which is probably 2000 feet higher in altitude and much colder.

Still, Cedar City is not as cold as Wyoming or Montana...

The problem with St. George is, the weather is very similar to Vegas and only a couple hours from Vegas, but you have to pay state income tax in UT and you don't have to do that in NV.

If you are looking for warmer weather though and insist on UT, St. George is a good sized city that fits that description. Rarely snows there (and when it does, it don't last long).

As for "Mormon" influences go... it depends. Some people don't like it, some people love it, some are indifferent. The rest "assimilate".

LDS population varies for different parts of the state. For instance, Utah County (Provo, Orem, etc...) is very heavily populated with LDS. Probably 80%...

Other parts like St. George, Cedar City are probably closer to 50%.

jnojr
12-19-2007, 00:18
j - You a mormon? If not, you might want to check the place out first before moving here.

No, I'm not.

And that's what I'm doing... checking things out a little. ;) We would certainly visit the area(s) we're interested in before even thinking of making a decision.

One place I'd want to avoid is an area where everyone was Hell-bent on forcing me to join their religion. I'm a live-and-let-live kinda guy. But I have a friend who moved to Ogden, IIRC. He and his family were not Mormon, but were conservative. I haven't heard anything negative from him.

Speaking of... any problems getting a drink in any particular areas? :supergrin:

Steve Koski
12-19-2007, 01:16
And that's what I'm doing... checking things out a little. ;) We would certainly visit the area(s) we're interested in before even thinking of making a decision.Wise man.

Everyone isn't hell bent on you joining their religion, but some certainly are. Afterall, mormonism is the "only true church." I would recommend an area that is closer to 50% mormon, unless you are/are planning on becoming one.

RMTactical
12-19-2007, 02:28
No, I'm not.

And that's what I'm doing... checking things out a little. ;) We would certainly visit the area(s) we're interested in before even thinking of making a decision.

One place I'd want to avoid is an area where everyone was Hell-bent on forcing me to join their religion. I'm a live-and-let-live kinda guy. But I have a friend who moved to Ogden, IIRC. He and his family were not Mormon, but were conservative. I haven't heard anything negative from him.

Speaking of... any problems getting a drink in any particular areas? :supergrin:

I'm not all well-read on the alcohol or anything, and anyone can correct me if they know better, but I think that it's illegal for establishments to sell alcohol on Sunday's... There may be some loop holes, might want to look into it... and/or stock up on alcoholic beverages prior to Sunday... :supergrin:

Just like with any group of people of any particular religion, some are pushy zealots, others are friendly, some are indifferent, and some are just jerks...

IIRC though, the Provo area mission is the highest baptizing mission in the church (there are over 300 LDS "missions" worldwide). So, yes, many are "assimilated", eventually.

hagar
12-19-2007, 08:05
I'm not Mormon, borderline atheist or agnostic at best, but I like Mormons. They believe in moral values, gun ownership, raising your kids right, and to be prepared for the future. Most of my friends in AZ were mormons, and none of them ever tried to convert me. On the other hand, my one mormon friend always bugged me to bring enough coffee, beer and rum along when we went camping/bear hunting!:supergrin:

muscles
12-19-2007, 08:23
i like it here. i grew up in the salt lake area, and have lived in sandy, south jordan and draper. i moved south to cedar city for about 4 years. now, i live in rural utah about 45 min away from the price, ut.

you can get a drink on sundays. beer (3.2 - 4%) is available in grocery stores and gas stations. real beer, liquor and wine is sold by state run liquor stores (not open on sundays and some holidays). the liquor laws are a bit quirky, but not horrible.

the outdoor activities are amazing, regardless of what part of the state you live in.

the mormon issue cant be ignored, as it is a heavy influence throughout utah. some can be judgemental, others can be great neighbors...just like anywhere. i like it here.

docfubar
12-20-2007, 18:37
jnorj........ I moved from Ridgecrest March of 06 to Tooele UT. It's about 50-60% lds. I am not and haven't had anyone trying to convert me(It helps that my block is mostly non-lds) They don't really have bars here they have clubs(membership bars). Beer is is 3:2 beer. Weapon laws are great here. PM me if I can help any more since I am a recent transplant.

Free Radical
12-21-2007, 07:48
I am a non Mormon that has lived in Utah for over 30 years. I am continually amused by the rest of the country's perception of Utah and Mormons. Mormons are not Mennonites. Mormons are not Amish. You will not be required by state law to tithe to the LDS Church if you move here. :upeyes:
I have lived amongst, worked with and socialised with Mormons for a long time now. They are just folks. Just like any other folks. Some good ones. Some bad ones. Some you can trust. Some you cannot. Like most people they learned their values in the home and Mormons tend to put a lot of value on the home.

Long ago and after considerable pondering of the real meaning of good and bad I arrived at a simple truth. A thing is only good if it results in good. A thing is only bad if it brings bad results. So that said let me also say that the Mormons have done a lot of good in this state. It is for the most part a clean, healthy and beautiful place to live. When my children were in school I did not have to worry about gangsters packing heat to class. I did not worry about them walking around town on their own.

St. George is a boom town. It is one of the fastest growing communities in the US. They have a pretty nice climate there, but it gets hottern' hell in the summer. Prepare yourself for 90 days of over 100

Salt Lake is just another big city that happens to sit in beautiful surroundings. The city itself is more liberal and democrat than the state as a whole. The surrounding suburbs are far more conservative and republican. The economy is strong and there is are a lot of opportunities there.

I am a Colorado native that bailed out when Colorado began to get weird and infested with left and right coasters. I haven't regretted my move to Utah at all. This is a wonderful place to live.

xtimberman
12-21-2007, 09:52
My son lives in Ogden and thinks he's been transported to an outdoor paradise. Three shooting ranges within 5 min. of his place. Duck hunting and millions of acres of public land a short drive away. He thinks that the folks there are just as friendly as Texans and had no trouble finding a non-LDS church. His auto ins. is 25% of what it was before.

I've been through there many times over the years and have felt that Utah would be a fine place to live. When I visit him, I am always aware of the work ethic and pride of ownership exhibited by most of the residents. In the summer, drive past a wee humble farm with a trailer house and you'll generally see well-maintained equipment, a sizeable vegetable garden, and flowers planted all around the place. Drive into several of the nearby states - away from the so-called Mormon influence - and it apparently goes away.

xtm

jnojr
12-23-2007, 00:58
Thanks for all of the input!

We're becoming more interested in the St. George area. It looks like winters are not as cold as other Rocky Mountain areas, and there isn't much rain/snow. True? Anything else anyone can tell me about that area? Any particular caveats when buying land?

Openroadracer
12-23-2007, 11:56
Moved up from Orange County, CA. seven years ago, and I'm non LDS. Hasn't been to big of an issue. I've lived in the SLC area and now down in Utah County - Saratoga Springs. Even though the area is primarily Mormon the local grovery stores still have a full aisle of beer. The gun laws in Utah are great compared to California. Where I live it's a 5-10 minute drive to a shooting area (BLM land I beleive) where I can shoot 1000+ yds.

RMTactical
12-23-2007, 17:23
Thanks for all of the input!

We're becoming more interested in the St. George area. It looks like winters are not as cold as other Rocky Mountain areas, and there isn't much rain/snow. True? Anything else anyone can tell me about that area? Any particular caveats when buying land?

St. George might get a light dusting of snow every other year... it won't stick though... Not much rain. I think they average about 5-6" per year.