View Full Version : This article is from 05', but it still upsets me. He would never recommend a Glock.
EAGLESFANPHILA
12-24-2007, 18:55
I wonder if his opinion has changed since then.
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Glock 19 - 9mm Pistol
Jul 14 '05
The Bottom Line -
Never has a gun made such a fashion statement as the Glock did when it made its debut in the eighties. All the gun editors, law enforcement groups, military and the average Joe were just Glock crazy. Rumors flew around that Glocks were undetectable to metal detectors and that you could even fire a Glock underwater! Of course the fact that you could fire pretty much any gun under water wasn’t as impressive as the fact that you could do so with a GLOCK. The mighty Glock indeed. Glock Glock Glock Glock Glock..
Looking beyond the hype
Yeah, the Glock’s a pretty good gun but I personally find more fault with it than advantage. All Glocks look pretty much the same. My version is the Glock 19 which fires 9mm cartridges and has a 4 inch barrel and weighs a mere 24 ounces empty. The slide / barrel assembly is a non-reflective flat black steel and the frame is a matte black plastic (polymer per Glock). All of the handle has a no slip texture to it and 3 much-appreciated finger grips adorn the inside front of the handle. An elongated, plastic trigger guard follows under the slide and matches the overall lines of the pistol. Balance is decent and the action is smooth. So far so good.
Here’s my beef. There are two safety issues with all Glocks that make me avoid carrying one. The first is the flight path of ejected shells. They fly at your face which makes you flinch and they’re red hot, of course. I’ve had this happen with other Glocks as well, not just the one I own. My second, and actually my biggest, problem with this gun is the ‘Safe Action System’ that is offered. The Glock is a SAO (single action only) firearm meaning that once you pull back the slide and feed a round into the chamber the gun is ready to fire - but unlike traditional SAO’s, there is no external safety available. In other words you’re now carrying a gun cocked, ready to shoot and the trigger only needs 5 pounds of pull to fire it. Most other SAO guns have an external safety that you operate with your thumb to prevent accidental firing. The Glocks ‘Safe Action’ is a system which prevents the trigger from being pulled unless another lever is pulled in also. Where is that other lever? It’s actually in the center of the trigger! In other words if the trigger gets snagged or your finger grabs it as you’re drawing the pistol you could discharge it unintentionally. I can understand law enforcement not worrying about this due to the fact that they’re carrying in hard plastic holsters, but when you carry concealed that isn’t really an option. The only way I would carry a Glock is without a round in the chamber – and what’s the point of that? Many, many people swear by the ‘Safe Action’ trigger but to me its one of the least safe guns on the market because of that. But getting past that now…
Firing the Glock is enjoyable. The slide has very clear white dot sights built in and recoil is handled brilliantly by this gun. At the range I’ve got safety goggles on so the spent cartridges flying at my face don’t bother me too much. The ten round clip feeds smoothly and has never once hung up on me. At ten yards my groupings are reasonably tight.
Specs
The 19 is a midsize 9mm at only 6.85 inches long, 5 inches tall and 1.18 inches wide. The 4 inch barrel (1:10 right hand twist) is long enough to make it a confident shooter. As with most Glock models it’s also available with a ported barrel (Glock 19C {as in Compensated}) but the recoil is so tame I just can’t see ponying up for that option.
Taking it down for cleaning is very easy. With the magazine removed and chamber cleared you will need to first dry-fire it to enable field stripping. There are two take down ‘levers’ – one on each side of the slide – that must be pulled down together with the slide assembly held back about an eighth of an inch. The slide will then move forward all the way off the rails and further take down can then be achieved. As with all firearms, it should be cleaned every time you fire it.
Parting shot
I am definitely in the minority in my view of the Glock’s (lack of) safety. I enjoy this gun down at the range but I would never use it as a carry gun. In my humble opinion this one just simply is not safe with a round chambered. I bought it several years ago because everyone had a Glock – so I figured I needed to have one too. I paid around $400 at the time and I’m sure it’d go for quite a bit more nowadays. If I had to do it all over again I wouldn’t have bought it and have even talked several people out of purchasing one. If you want a 9mm for the range there are many, many other models which are better suited for that purpose. If you want a 9mm to use as a carry gun, this one just isn’t safe for concealed carry.
In the end, I just can’t recommend this product.
The guys an idiot. Do you really care what he thinks?
GLOCK_27
12-24-2007, 19:06
hmmmm. By a show of hands, how many people who carry a glock everyday have shot themselves here?
No matter the weapon, you'll find somebody that writes a very negative review of it. Freedom of speech I guess, take anything you read with a grain of salt and do your own investigation.
It's Christmas Eve, look for joy in the world.:wavey:
WellArmedSheep
12-24-2007, 19:26
The first is the flight path of ejected shells. They fly at your face which makes you flinch and they’re red hot, of course.
Limp-wristing maybe?
The Glock is a SAO (single action only) firearm meaning that once you pull back the slide and feed a round into the chamber the gun is ready to fire
Not quite that simple, bub.
The ten round clip feeds smoothly and has never once hung up on me.
Clip? Yup, it's official, you're an idiot!
SouthernBoyVA
12-24-2007, 19:34
He makes several technical blunders. He states that ejected shell casings fly in your face and are red hot. I have had one shell casing hit my head and that was this past Friday when shooting my new G19. All others ejected as expected.. to the right and a bit to the rear of me. Secondly, the casings are not red hot. In fact, I have never observed this unusual phenomenon in the entire 40 years I have owned and used firearms, including handloads.
Next, he says, "The ten round clip feeds smoothly and has never once hung up on me". I find this most interesting since he obviously has a very unique and unusual Glock. I have never seen a Glock with a clip.
Now I will say he does have a valid point about the Safe Action Trigger. This is a primary reason I got rid of my two Glocks ten years ago. But now I own four.. go figure. The Glock trigger is both a negative and a positive firing mechanism. It's a negative system because as he said, it has no external safety and doesn't take much to discharge the weapon. However, it is a positive system, because when the stuff hits the fan and you need that piece in your hand like right now, you do not want to be worried about or having to think about anything other than pulling the trigger and delivering a round to target.
I got over my discomfort with the Glock trigger by simply training myself to be cautious and cognizant of my weapon. I one of two holsters which both do what they are suppose to do.. protect the trigger. I practice and train drawing and handling the weapon as it should be handled.
He has some valid points, but he also has a bias with which he taints his report. I would have preferred in such a case, that the writer presented the issues and let the user decide how they might like to act upon the information.
Jason607
12-24-2007, 20:21
Well, I sometimes accidently call magazines, "clips" because when I first got into guns that is what some people were calling them. Plus, the "clip" in. :whistling:
Anyways, the guy is an idiot not because of his terminology, but because of his logic. DON'T pull the trigger and it won't fire??? I really don't see how you could accidently pull the trigger of a glock with such a FAT trigger gaurd. Some guns, the tirggergaurd is very narrow, and it would be understandable to accidently pull the trigger (not really) or even if it was to snag on something. With a Glock, you really have to deliberatly put your finger inside there and actually pull.
What that guy was talking about is not Accidental Discharge, AD is say you drop the gun and it goes off (that I have never heard of in a glock). It's called NEGLEGENT DISCHARGE because you neglected something and pulled the trigger.
keeper85
12-24-2007, 20:35
The guy is an idiot. He should also do a little research and he would find there are several pistols with a similar design that do not have an external safety.
However the GLOCK haters seemed to miss that.
I know my GLOCK will go bang whenever I pull the trigger. That is the reason it is my primary carry piece.
LMAO on the ejected shell deal.....like WTF over??? Underpowered ammo and limp wristing maybe???
10rd mags........when did he buy the thing???
Single action only??? Hello earth to putzmyer....it's a tad bit different than traditional SA or DA. Yup this guy really knows his weapon.
Hey it gave me a laugh.
Arc Angel
12-24-2007, 20:47
According to the NRA it's, both, historically accurate and technically correct to refer to magazines as clips and visa versa. (So why don't we forget about jumping on this one all of the time - OK!) ;)
If your Glock is throwing hot cases in your face, check the extractor and make sure the claw is clean. If it is, then, change the SLB and it's spring - Problem solved! :supergrin:
outlaw1niner
12-24-2007, 21:08
If this guy, or anybody else for that matter, really believes the standard Glock trigger is too light, Glock has a simple solution for you. It has been available for years, and it is very inexpensive and simple to install. It is called the New York trigger spring, which brings the trigger pull weight up to ~8lbs. If that is still too light of a trigger pull for you, well they also offer the New York Plus that brings the pull weight up to ~12lbs.
There, problem solved. :tongueout:
oldgraygeek
12-24-2007, 22:45
Every gun has a 'safety,' described as "the condition where you can see that there is no ammunition in or near the firing chamber." As soon as your eyes leave that empty chamber, the 'safety' is off.
Some guns have switches designed to make them unable to fire. This does not make the gun safe: if the gun has ammunition, and is pointed in an unsafe direction, the gun is one click (or malfunction) away from an unsafe condition. This switch should not be called a "safety," because it does not provide safety.
The so-called 'safety' may provide an unexpected FTF in a dangerous situation, or it may produce a dangerous illusion of 'safety' that leads its owner to behave in dangerous ways, so I think such switches potentially do more harm than good.
When I carry my Glock, there is no "safety" switch. The Glock is pointed in a safe direction, and securely holstered with the trigger covered to prevent accidental discharge. It is not "safe," but it is being handled safely.
I don't understand why this guy's opinion should "upset" you. Because he feels uncomfortable carrying a gun without an external safety? We know many people feel the same way. Is there some validity to his opinion? Sure, it's valid to him and those who feel they need an external safety.
His comment about the hot brass coming at his face is puzzling. Very, very rarely does that happen to me. If that happened often to enough shooters, we'd hear about it all the time here.
Not everyone will like Glocks, for all kinds of reasons. Not worth getting upset over.
K
Revolvers never needed them, Sigs don't have them, blackpowder don't have them and yet these bozos can't see that the only true safety is between their ears?! So does that mean that all those pre-1980 cops, FBI, Military were carrying unsafe weapons??? Some folks have just got to regulate everything...:faint:
NEO Clevelander
12-25-2007, 00:21
He buys a pistol, finds that the ejected cases are coming straight at his face, and assumes, knowing how popular Glocks are, that this is normal? That all these "Glock crazy" people enjoy brass flying at them while attempting to place rounds accurately?
Then he states how nice the gun is to shoot, groupings good, recoil handled "brilliantly". He later states "If you want a 9mm for the range there are many, many other models which are better suited for that purpose." Okay. Nice gun, accurate, light recoil. What else you needing there? Because it's probably available for the Glock. Accuracy? Aftermarket barrel. Recoil? Already good in his opinion. He doesn't complain about the trigger, although that can be improved too.
We all know the "safety" issue, and it's a personal choice. He's made his. I've made mine, and I'm happy with it.
I can't count the number of times someone at the range has loaded up their gun, aimed, and pulled the trigger on a safety-locked or de-cocked gun. Pretty embarrassing at the range. Possibly deadly anywhere else.
Jason607
12-25-2007, 00:28
The only way I could see the casings flying straight back in the face would be if he was holding it in the "homie/gangsta" postion. I shot it like that once (just for fun) and the casings came raining down ontop of my head.
OldGrayGeek has a good post there.
He mentions that once the slide is cycled and a round is chambered. The gun is cocked and ready to fire. While this statement is not entirely wrong, it is misleading. When the weapon is in battery, the striker is only partially cocked. Without enough stored energy to fire a round. The striker is moved into fully cocked position as you pull the trigger and released at the end of the pull. The trigger is reset when the slide is cycled, but I would not refer to it as ‘cocked”.
I shoot my 27 and 23 pretty regularly and have never had brass in my face.
Arc Angel
12-25-2007, 01:51
... When the weapon is in battery, the striker is only partially cocked. Without enough stored energy to fire a round. ...
:upeyes: I don't know about that. I'd say that a striker that's 63 or 64 percent cocked isn't something you'd want to put in your mouth to test and see what's going to happen next! ;)
The shells in the face are a good indicator you are on the verge of limp wristing, any gun guy worth his salt would recognize that tell tale sign.
I've had G-17's, and G-30's, 1911's, and HK USP's do this to me when I'm getting tired and not holding the gun as firm.
His argument on the safety is a valid point I coincidentally brought up here just yesterday in another thread, so it still is arguable, though I own Glocks despite the safety issue.
Just sounds like a useless opinion from some anonymous moron on the internet (confirmed by the avatar pic) who doesn't know anything about guns or shooting. I'm betting his only reason for getting a 9mm Glock is its popularity in rap songs.
With a little knowledge, he'd have learned to correct his limpwristing problem "The first is the flight path of ejected shells. They fly at your face which makes you flinch and they’re red hot, of course. I’ve had this happen with other Glocks as well, not just the one I own." My wife had the same problem until we "fixed" all the Glocks in the world with some training and shooting experience.
The great thing about the internet is that you are free to post your opinion about anything, even if you know nothing about it and the opinion only shows you're an idiot (with a girlishly weak grip).
COLOSHOOTR
12-25-2007, 07:07
Maybe he has a short memory and can't remember one of the big rules is to, "keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard till your sights are on target and you are prepared to shoot." If thats the case it really isn't safe for him. Plus, if you are snagging it on something that can engage the safety and has enough force to pull that trigger back you are a moron that should be back at basic firearm safety classes.
Panzerfaust
12-25-2007, 08:11
hmmmm. By a show of hands, how many people who carry a glock everyday have shot themselves here?
MEE!!!!!
SouthernBoyVA
12-25-2007, 08:19
If this guy, or anybody else for that matter, really believes the standard Glock trigger is too light, Glock has a simple solution for you. It has been available for years, and it is very inexpensive and simple to install. It is called the New York trigger spring, which brings the trigger pull weight up to ~8lbs. If that is still too light of a trigger pull for you, well they also offer the New York Plus that brings the pull weight up to ~12lbs.
There, problem solved. :tongueout:
I don't think he believes that the problem is not so much of the Glock having a light trigger as it is with the fact that Glocks have "different" triggers and there is no external safety mechanism with which to secure the trigger from discharging the weapon. In that assumption, he is correct.. they are different, but that is by design and not by fault or accident. This is both a minus and a plus. A minus for folks who are prone to not really familiarizing themselves with this weapon and putting in the proper amount of training. And a plus for having a weapon that is ready to fire when called upon to do so without having to worry about external safeties and such.
For years, I also did not like the trigger, far preferring my Kahr true DAO triggers to just about anything else out there for a carry gun. I still think that the Kahr setup is excellent and three of my Kahrs are in my carry family of guns. But I have also accustomed myself to the Glock system and whenever I carry one of their guns (which has been pretty steady since last July), I just put myself in a slightly different frame of mind when handling them. I find this seems to work for me and am comfortable when carry any one of my Glocks.
SHERRIFF1
12-25-2007, 09:02
TO each his own. The reason we switched to Glocks (many years ago) is the a few reason's. You can thro em in the mud, run over them, knock the sights off, bury in the sand and the cottin pickers still shoot. They are easy to teach someone how to shoot with and they are very accurate. I've had a few cases hit me but holy mackeral, don't be a wimp. So has my AR, my Colts, Smith's and it ain't no big deal as it doesn't happen very often. If you don't like the shell casing's hitting you then they make several of these pistols in AIR SOFT!
EAGLESFANPHILA
12-25-2007, 13:14
I don't understand why this guy's opinion should "upset" you. Because he feels uncomfortable carrying a gun without an external safety? We know many people feel the same way. Is there some validity to his opinion? Sure, it's valid to him and those who feel they need an external safety.
His comment about the hot brass coming at his face is puzzling. Very, very rarely does that happen to me. If that happened often to enough shooters, we'd hear about it all the time here.
Not everyone will like Glocks, for all kinds of reasons. Not worth getting upset over.
K
I'm only upset because he tries to persuade others not to buy Glocks. Unfortunately, there a many like him out here.
RichardB
12-25-2007, 16:28
He stated his reasons very specifically. None of that mindless "Glocks Suck" stuff. If you don't have the same concerns then buy and shoot Glocks (if they fit your hand and shooting style). While my Glock is now beside the bed; I still think of moving a Ruger Revolver back from the safe. Decisions, decisions! Isn't it wonderful to have a choice?
The first is the flight path of ejected shells. They fly at your face which makes you flinch and they’re red hot, of course. .
He wrote it after going shooting with this guy. Notice the ever popular Ganster style hold. This guy compensated for it by holding it higher than normal and as you can see in this photo the shell casing travels over said shooter.
http://www.fmft.net/archives/gangsta1/gangsta%201.JPG
HiredGun77
12-25-2007, 16:54
Why hasn't anyone pointed out that Glock triggers are DAO and feel exactly the same for each and every shot. The only time it isn't is if you hold the trigger down and only let up enough for a reset. Only then can feel striker slipping off without having to draw it back with the trigger. Otherwise is must be drawn back for every shot just like a revolver in double action. I have found the Glock to be every bit as safe as my Smith & Wesson revolvers. If you want to see some AD/ND's study up on cocked and locked 1911 carry. I have found the Glock triiger to be a good compromise for concealed carry or target use.
I really like how easy they are to clean and maintain. I think they are a great gun for beginners and seasoned shooters alike.
My bad he was with this guy
http://b4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01540/46/45/1540465464_m.jpg
I'm only upset because he tries to persuade others not to buy Glocks. Unfortunately, there a many like him out here.
??? Look at what he's written - he makes it obvious he doesn't kniow anything about Glocks or shooting. My opinion wasn't improved any by the pic of his ghetto gangsta ride. How can the opinion of an idiot like that matter to you?
Glock20-10
12-26-2007, 09:29
The only way I could see the casings flying straight back in the face would be if he was holding it in the "homie/gangsta" postion. I shot it like that once (just for fun) and the casings came raining down ontop of my head.
OldGrayGeek has a good post there.
Man, and I jist oded dese, fo o my Glocks!
I am by no means a highly trained expert, and I have no problem keeping my finger outside the trigger guard at all times, even when holstering and unholstering. Why? Because I actively think about what I am doing everytime I do it.
Arc Angel
12-26-2007, 10:57
I am by no means a highly trained expert, and I have no problem keeping my finger outside the trigger guard at all times, even when holstering and unholstering. Why? Because I actively think about what I am doing everytime I do it.
:) My friend, not everyone who goes through this life can honestly say the samething; and, while I don't think of myself as a nerd with a gun, I happen to be one of them. 100% of the time means just that - Always without any sort of exception, ever!
Even highly trained doctors working in state-of-the-art operating rooms can't, truthfully, lay claim to such perfect records! (Ask me how I know?) ;)
RichardB
12-26-2007, 11:08
Remember A couple of years ago the DEA agent bragging to a classroom full of kids that he was the only one in the room "professional enough" to carry a gun then there was a bang from his Glock .40?
It can happen to the best of us, and also to lesser mortals.
nitroglock
01-03-2008, 20:43
Remember A couple of years ago the DEA agent bragging to a classroom full of kids that he was the only one in the room "professional enough" to carry a gun then there was a bang from his Glock .40?
It can happen to the best of us, and also to lesser mortals.
Link please?
I'll be more than happy to take the aforementioned Glock off of the writer's hands for a couple of hundred bucks if he wants to sell it.
I would have posted sooner but I went shooting the other day and am recovering from all the red hot brass that was hitting me in the face.
Speedrock
01-03-2008, 21:37
You Guys think he really doesnt know guns, huh? Just take a look at one of his other Gun "reviews", then!
It'll really straighten you ALL out!!! Sez "volumes" Huh?
"time to revamp the Seecamp"
"When it was introduced in 1997, the North American Arms Guardian .32 ACP pistol was the largest caliber gun the manufacturer had ever produced.
Its caliber is big enough to be considered a self defense gun and its size makes it extremely easy to use in a lot of situations. It’s perfect for the car or your desk drawer. Its size and shape allow it to be carried by a man as a wallet in his back pocket or in a woman’s purse. The fact that so many police use it as a backup gun in itself says volumes about this little gun. "
I could give a rip what he - or anyone else - thinks about Glock. I like both of mine and wouldn't hesitate to bet my life on them.
I have to admit - I've never seen a "red hot" shell casing, nor have I ever seen a Glock eject the casings back on the shooters head.
My Kahr doesn't have a safety at all... not even the trigger safety. I guess he wouldn't like that one either.
As mentioned earlier, the only true safety is between the shooters ears.
RichardB
01-04-2008, 08:12
Link please?
http://www.thegunzone.com/mos/dea-nd.html
This happened several years back. This is one of dozens of links discussing the story.
He wrote it after going shooting with this guy. Notice the ever popular Ganster style hold. This guy compensated for it by holding it higher than normal and as you can see in this photo the shell casing travels over said shooter.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
When I bought my first 1911 .45, I was a bit concerned about carrying it cocked and locked. So I carried it cocked and locked over an empty chamber for a few days just to try it out. After 2-3 days of it staying cocked and locked without any mishap, I realized that "Yup, it won't go bang unintentionally unless I do something really stupid". After that I felt quite secure about keeping it cocked and locked with one in the chamber.
I understand the perspective regarding the Glock mechanism. Most people have an ingrained mindset that semi-autos have safety. But as others have pointed out, if it bothers you, add a 8lb trigger spring to it. Ultimately it's really no different than carrying a revolver. If I started carrying a Glock, I might be tempted to carry it with an unloaded chamber for a few days, until I was comfortable handling it. Holstering / un-holstering without incident.
Would I prefer if the Glock had something like a grip safety, like a 1911? I probably would. But that's just me and my personal preference. I don't think the Glock is any less safe of a gun for not having one.
Man, and I jist oded dese, fo o my Glocks!
I, LMAO eveytime I see that.
A local shop I go to has a blue traing dummy with some sights epoxied on it like that right on the counter.:rofl:
When I bought my first 1911 .45, I was a bit concerned about carrying it cocked and locked. So I carried it cocked and locked over an empty chamber for a few days just to try it out. After 2-3 days of it staying cocked and locked without any mishap, I realized that "Yup, it won't go bang unintentionally unless I do something really stupid". After that I felt quite secure about keeping it cocked and locked with one in the chamber.
Thats exactly what I did with my g26. Cocked, unchambered. After 3 uneventful months, I finally started carrying with it chambered.
mitchshrader
01-04-2008, 16:41
only reason i can think of to diss glocks is to irritate their fans.
of which I ain't one, but on the other hand, none of em spend my money for em so that's fine.
once you get into the longslides i like em a lot better, they feel better balanced to me.
i need to write that guy and find out if i'm using the right deodorant, too. i dunno how i managed to live without his opinions of what works in life.
RichardB
01-07-2008, 09:07
One "Problem" Solved. From todays Shooting Wire
January 7, 2008
American Tactical Imports Announces SIDERLOCK Additional Safety for GLOCK Pistols
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GLOCK® pistols are known for ease and speed of movement and it is those very capabilities that require greater precautions when the pistol is not holstered or not in a position to be fired safely. GLOCK’s® own built-in safety futures combined with the SIDERLOCK® trigger is the perfect combination to provide improved gun handling safety.
The concept is simple; with a push on the safety pin a sliding pin acts to block or release the movement of the central pivot of the trigger whereby avoiding an accidental discharge of the weapon. SIDERLOCK® behaves exactly as the original GLOCK® trigger when it is in the fire position all the while maintaining the original manufacturer specifications and its immediate availability of shot.
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ContractSoldier
06-05-2008, 12:10
I have two Glocks, 19 and 22 models, i just dont see how anyone can shoot themselfs with any type firearm unless they want to shoot themselfs.
Remember, never point a loaded firearm at anything you dont intend to shoot and second, keep your finger off the triger untill your ready to shoot.
As far as the shell's kicking back in the face of the shooters, this does seem to be a problem that some Glock shooters have problems with, could be the gun, could be the shooter. My Glock 22 never kicks shells back into my face, however my Glock 19 does It all the time. My other handguns, S&W 5903, Makarov, etc. do not do this so I will be taking my Glock 19 to an armour to have them look at It, the armour advise me that this is not normal and I should have the gun look at.
As far as Glocks go, I would have to say that they are one of the best pistol's I've ever owned and I would recomended a Glock over any other handgun on the market.
robertwh
06-05-2008, 12:52
The guys an idiot. Do you really care what he thinks?
I know I don't...
My 19 is safer to carry with a round in the chamber than my S&W model 10 38 special ever was.
The man is entitled to his opinion and we are entitled to ours.:rofl:
GoneGlock
06-05-2008, 13:13
I wonder if his opinion has changed since then.
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The Glock is a SAO (single action only) firearm meaning that once you pull back the slide and feed a round into the chamber the gun is ready to fire - but unlike traditional SAO’s, there is no external safety available. In other words you’re now carrying a gun cocked, ready to shoot and the trigger only needs 5 pounds of pull to fire it. Most other SAO guns have an external safety that you operate with your thumb to prevent accidental firing. The Glocks ‘Safe Action’ is a system which prevents the trigger from being pulled unless another lever is pulled in also. Where is that other lever? It’s actually in the center of the trigger!
First I am a huge Glock fan. And I carry 1 in the pipe all day and CC all day.
However the OP is correct.To say " the safety is beween my ears" is an ignorant position IMHO.
I carry a loaded G27,so flame me if you want to, but don't tell me a Glock with one in the pipe doesn't discharge if the trigger is pulled. Accidently?? Yes it goes boom.
GoneGlock
06-05-2008, 13:16
Almost like saying " Don't go climbing trees if you don't want to fall out of one"
I do climb trees to hunt,and I would never decide to step off, and die.
However if I accidently did, my safety harness would prevent me from hitting the ground.
Go ahead, flame on.
OD GASTON
06-05-2008, 13:22
There is a reason this jack a** is a distant memory and .......GLOCK is thousand's of pistol's behind.......:rofl::rofl:
Screw him!!!!:cool:
B Coyote
06-05-2008, 16:43
MKI Mod0 Butthammer
bc
Why would anyone get upset over something a moron wrote? Not even worth posting that here.
According to the NRA it's, both, historically accurate and technically correct to refer to magazines as clips and visa versa. (So why don't we forget about jumping on this one all of the time - OK!) ;)
.......
Not likely. Reference on the NRA bit, please?
douglasd
06-05-2008, 17:30
The guys an idiot.
Ha! Thats exactly what I was going to say! He has very little knowledge of how a GLOCK actually functions.
douglasd
06-05-2008, 17:33
Limp-wristing maybe?
Not quite that simple, bub.
Clip? Yup, it's official, you're an idiot!
Yeah...I also tend to disregard anything anyone says when they call the grip a "handle".
Remington700VS
06-05-2008, 20:15
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^^^Thats one sad, sad sight. ^^^Notice the famous I'm not aiming at anything in particular stance. Hey, is he the one who wrote about the glock? DUMB!
sigpro-fessor
06-06-2008, 17:56
News Flash. ... ... . . . . .... Everyone doesn't like Glocks. Why do you care? Does it really light a fire under your butt because everyone in the world doesn't share your passion for the plastic?
EAGLESFANPHILA
06-06-2008, 18:09
News Flash. ... ... . . . . .... Everyone doesn't like Glocks. Why do you care? Does it really light a fire under your butt because everyone in the world doesn't share your passion for the plastic?
I guess your username explains why your talking to me in such a tone. I think Glocks are better.
Thank you.
sigpro-fessor
06-06-2008, 18:31
I guess your username explains why your talking to me in such a tone. I think Glocks are better.
Thank you.
Wasnt directed to you specifically, just a general comment. No offense intended.
Arc Angel
08-04-2008, 19:24
Not likely. Reference on the NRA bit, please?
:freak: Well, you're wrong! I don't usually do other people's homework for them; but, here ya go: (Scroll down until you become a wiser man!) ;)
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FirearmsGlossary/
Did you actually read the definition? I'll break it down for you....
From the website:
CLIP
A device for holding a group of cartridges. Right on! Semantic wars have been fought over the word, with some insisting it is not a synonym for "detachable magazine." This is true.... For 80 years Hate to tell you that detachable magazines and clips/chargers have been around much longer than 80 years - FAIL, however, it has been so used by manufacturers and the military.WTF? Since when does that become an authority? I have yet to find in technical nomnclature where the US military refers to a magazine as a clip or vice versa There is no argument that it can also mean a separate device for holding and transferring a group of cartridges to a fixed or detachable magazine or as a device inserted with cartridges into the mechanism of a firearm becoming, in effect, part of that mechanism. Uhhhh, WTF, again? The beginning and end are good to go, the crap in the middle is plain conjecture. In case you need it - the last sentence, according to the NRA, means that a clip can be a clip OR part of a magazine, but they do not differentiate between "fixed" or "detachable".
Confusion ensues.....
Now, to the NRA definition of magazine:
MAGAZINE
A spring-loaded container for cartridges that may be an integral part of the gun`s mechanism or may be detachable I guess the Gatling Gun wasn't magazine fed...silly facts, the NRA knows better!. Detachable magazines for the same gun may be offered by the gun`s manufacturer or other manufacturers with various capacities. A gun with a five-shot detachable magazine, for instance, may be fitted with a magazine holding 10, 20, or 50 or more rounds. Box magazines are most commonly located under the receiver with the cartridges stacked vertically. Tube or tubular magazines run through the stock or under the barrel with the cartridges lying horizontally. Drum magazines hold their cartridges in a circular mode. A magazine can also mean a secure storage place for ammunition or explosives. Where is the bit that a "clip" can be used synonymously with detachable magazine?
EPIC FAIL
RichardB
08-04-2008, 22:06
My Websters Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary (1969) on page 156 has amongd its definitions of "Clip" - "2 : a device to hold cartridges for charging magazines of some rifles; also: a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm".
Our basic training Sergeants made a big deal about magazines and clips. But we figured that was just an Army thing. Just like the Navy scorns the word "boat" to describe those big floating things that sailors ride in.
Words, like living creatures, evolve; sometimes slowly, other times very quickly. When Gene Autry sang happy songs about gay caballeros, he created images in our minds about something other than "Brokeback Mountain".
Halojumper
08-04-2008, 22:38
hmmmm. By a show of hands, how many people who carry a glock everyday have shot themselves here?
It may be that those who have may not have a hand to raise! :)
Most people I've observed who get empties in the face use the "isoceles" stance.
Most people who use a "Weaver" or "Chapman" (1/2 way between Weaver @ Isoc.) usually have the hulls go over the right shoulder and there is no problem.
ancient_serpent
08-05-2008, 07:36
Hey, I don't really care so much if the guy doesn't like or recommend Glocks. I use 'em and recommend them to folks on a regular basis. I prefer a thumb safety, but I'll use either design.
Arc Angel
08-05-2008, 09:07
Did you actually read the definition? I'll break it down for you: yada, yada, yada .....
:freak: You know what you need to do next? Rewrite Webster's Dictionary! :clown:
That way you're opinions will be entirely without opposition; and, you won't have to waste your time writing corny BS posts! ;)
My Websters Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary (1969) on page 156 has amongd its definitions of "Clip" - "2 : a device to hold cartridges for charging magazines of some rifles; also: a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm".
Our basic training Sergeants made a big deal about magazines and clips. But we figured that was just an Army thing. Just like the Navy scorns the word "boat" to describe those big floating things that sailors ride in.
Words, like living creatures, evolve; sometimes slowly, other times very quickly. When Gene Autry sang happy songs about gay caballeros, he created images in our minds about something other than "Brokeback Mountain".
Very well said! :thumbsup:
Speedrock
08-05-2008, 10:06
"Most people I've observed who get empties in the face use the "isoceles" stance.
Most people who use a "Weaver" or "Chapman" (1/2 way between Weaver @ Isoc.) usually have the hulls go over the right shoulder and there is no problem."
Norske,
I shoot "Short Weaver", FWIW.......
You are probably correct, but when I use mags in my Glocks, the hulls sail right over the shoulder, if I use Clips, I get them in the face......bad! :whistling:
In my humble opinion this one just simply is not safe with a round chambered...In the end, I just can’t recommend this product.It just shows he didn't know what he was talking about, maybe he still doesn't, the world is full of people who in one way or another, don't get it. No big deal .... That's why we have Darwin.
Speedrock
08-05-2008, 11:23
A lot can be learned from this Scribe's "Reviews"! All can benefit fom his "Wisdom".....:
"Before I purchased my Sig Sauer P-229 pistol I started with the most basic question. Why was I buying a new gun? The answer was self protection....I prefer a heavier, high caliber firearm over a small caliber for several reasons. Obviously stopping power is high on the list. Smaller caliber handguns are almost always lightweight and tend to sting a bit with the recoil. A heavier gun won’t sting half as much with a much larger round......I settled on the Sig P-229. It’s available in 9 mm, .357 SIG and .40 S&W. I went for the .40.
Some of the characteristics of the 229 that make it a joy to shoot can be found in the design elements. The floating barrel and heavy construction make recoil almost irrelevant. The dimensions – 7.1 inches overall length, 5.4 inch height, 1.5 inch width – make it a meaty, substantial firearm. ... Ejected shells fly directly to the right as opposed to my Glock which spits them directly at my nose.
Shooting the 229 inspires confidence in the worst marksman. The 3.9 inch barrel (1:16, 6 groove right twist) make the gun fairly accurate at ten yards no matter who is shooting it. ...At ten yards I can keep to six inch groupings with no effort at all and somewhat better if I really try.
Unless you cock the hammer manually the first shot you take will be that 12 pound DA and then the subsequent shots will all be 4.5 pound SA shots. It takes a little getting used to that transition.
The one ‘upgrade’ I’ve made to this gun is I’ve swapped out the original guide pin with a replacement from Lasermax. The front of the guide pin protrudes directly under the barrel.
If a large caliber semi auto is what you’re in the market for and conceal-ability (or price) is not a factor then you would be wise to take a serious look at the 229. "
Clips, Magazines? That's just scratching the surface!
To wit: "High Caliber" .40? "Floating barrel"... {of a} "meaty, substantial firearm". "I can keep to six inch groupings with no effort at all...At 10 yards..."
If a large caliber semi auto is ...and conceal-ability ... is not a factor...
Will bet all his guns must have floating bbl's. and all his mags must be Meaty! Or my Glock "spits...red hot... shells.... directly at my nose"!
Moral of this story?
Always wear your "Rocky & Bullwinkle" Goggles when shooting your Glock!
...At ten yards I can keep to six inch groupings with no effort at all and somewhat better if I really try...
The one ‘upgrade’ I’ve made to this gun is I’ve swapped out the original guide pin with a replacement from Lasermax.
:laughabove: :animlol:
SIX INCH GROUPS?!? FROM 10 YARDS?!? With a LASER?!?!?
I think I wet myself a little bit... this guy needs glasses, not a gun!
Glockwork Orange
08-05-2008, 11:55
hmmmm. By a show of hands, how many people who carry a glock everyday have shot themselves here?
<----only three times, but I learned my lesson after that....don't check to see if it's loaded by looking down the barrel!!! (disclaimer: yes, i'm being sarcastic) :supergrin:
Hellhunter18
08-05-2008, 13:14
We fear what we do not know... This shows this guy does not understand how a glock works let alone a handgun.
He fears the gun going off in his hand because he does not have the ability to think not to put his finger on the trigger.
I think external safeties are all well and good but I do not like them. (Learned to shoot glocks and sigs)
My suggestion is don't count on some lever to stop you from doing something dumb.
when glock starts paying me then i will start giving a fat rats ***** what somebody else thinks about them, he does not have to like them, he leaves more for me:tongueout:
GlockWheeler
08-05-2008, 14:17
Who cares what that guy thinks. That's his opinion and apparently, he's sticking to it. In all reality, if he is insecure with carrying a Glock chambered, then I would think that he has bigger issues that should be addressed (particularly training and practice).
CableRouter
08-05-2008, 23:19
:laughabove: :animlol:
SIX INCH GROUPS?!? FROM 10 YARDS?!? With a LASER?!?!?
I think I wet myself a little bit... this guy needs glasses, not a gun!
That is a bit silly, I managed a 4 inch group at 10 yards the very first time I fired a handgun about two weeks ago (my new G19). No laser. :supergrin:
Today I fired about a hundred rounds and decided to goof off a bit on the last magazine. Put the target at 7 yards and blew out a 2 inch hole in the center of the target with the first 8-10 rounds and then put the rest of the 15 through the hole. (I go for cheap, I print out my own 1/4 scale IDPA targets to shoot).
My shooting partner commented on it later. My reply, "If it's 0 down, do I really need to know exactly where it hit?" :cool:
In case anyone wants it, here is the target.
:freak: You know what you need to do next? Rewrite Webster's Dictionary! :clown:
That way you're opinions will be entirely without opposition; and, you won't have to waste your time writing corny BS posts! ;)
Very well said! :thumbsup:
Irony. It's what's for dinner.
EL COLONEL
08-06-2008, 06:51
Who is this guy no name?
Terminator
08-06-2008, 09:54
I soo agree that i own 6 Glocks !
to each his own, but that just leaves more for us :)
Seawolf_504
08-06-2008, 17:19
Wasn't that R. Lee Ermy? Maybe pre Glock contract. lmao:rofl:
AustinTx
08-06-2008, 19:48
Glock knows that their pistols are dangerous. The instruction manual warns you to not carry one with a round in the chamber.
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briansp82593
08-06-2008, 20:18
holy double thread resurrection!
:tongueout:
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