Most OVER rated firearm?

[Sniperfox]

What do you consider to be the most over rated firearm and is that because of the design, the performance or the price?

[hagar]

1911, in all it's overpriced, undependable glory. Who the heck needs a GRIP safety on a handgun?

[skeeter1959]

I just saw a $4100 Wilson Combat 1911 on collectorsfirearms.com. Now that's over rated in my book.

[hokieglock]

these days, the revolver. minimal shots, reloading takes time, spare ammos is cumbersome.

[yerscattergun]

1911, in all it's overpriced, undependable glory. Who the heck needs a GRIP safety on a handgun?

Absolutely...

[Agent6-3/8]

Glock

[craig_o]

Walther PPK.

[Seafarer12]

these days, the revolver. minimal shots, reloading takes time, spare ammos is cumbersome.

I disagree. In most instanced 6 shots is plenty. They usually have better reliability than an auto too.

I will agree with the 1911 statement. I have owned them and never could quite get into them. Too many parts, reliability so-so, price too high on most.

[Crusher47]

Any 1911 over $1000 :wavey:

Any AR over $1200 :whistling:

Any AK over $600 :tongueout:

Any revolver that's not a 44 magnum :supergrin:

[12131]

Any AR over $1200 :whistling:

:steamed::steamed:






:supergrin:

[volsbear]

I have both a Glock and a 1911. I can honestly say I love them both. The most worthless firearm? How about the .17?? Can't you just use a .22LR? LOL

[HollowPoint .45]

HK pistols. Yes they are nice but dang if they're not $$$$. Not worth it IMO when a Glock will do the same thing.

This coming from a 1911 fan and a Kimber owner, but I think that Kimber pistols are over rated. At least around here. Everybody treats Kimber pistols like they are a death ray. Get over it, a Hi-Point is a death ray in the right hands.

[chewybaca67]

Depends on..................

























everything. If someone ain't never learned or adapted to a revolver, then that will be over rated, if some one don't like 1911's for whatever reason: too many in gunrags, too expensive, not enough bullets, never learned how to shoot it.....never shot one, then that will be over rated. I personally believe a feller' can adapt to just about any platform. Hell, I'd use a dang wrist rocket sling shot if I knew I could do it effectively/hit what I was aiming at, and if it was all I had at the moment. It don't mean it's less or more than necessarily. Just different, and just my 2 cents.

[RemSp10]

Any gun that I can not pay what I want to pay for it:rofl:

But on the serious side ,I would have to go with Kimber on this one. Ok gun ,but high price. And one step farther any Colt 1911. ( altho I do own a colt .45)

[cjlandry]

Any "assault weapon".

They're over-rated by the gun grabbers, who believe that careless, rapid fire (aka: "spray fire") is somehow more deadly than carefully aimed slow fire with any reasonably accurate rifle.

[jem375]

Glocks are overrated, lousy grip angle and lousy trigger.... sold my G26 for a CZ PO1 and haven't looked back since, much better...

[9jeeps]

1911! Was my first thought...:dunno:

[Jtemple]

Desert Eagle was my first thought.

[kgjl]

The most worthless firearm? How about the .17?? Can't you just use a .22LR? LOL

In theory this makes sense. In actuality, the 17s are different animals altogether. They are really cool!

[monkeykevin]

1911... It's one thing America can really sell beside their own cars. :whistling:

[Guyver]

+1 on the Desert Eagle....

I'd also have to say the 500 mag is right up there....

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

1911 or an AR, Both are finicky and will jam if you don't take care of them.

[HollowPoint .45]

+1 on the Desert Eagle....

I'd also have to say the 500 mag is right up there....


Agree. If you need a .500 mag to stop what you are shooting at, you need to be shootin a large bore rifle or a 12 ga slug gun.

[legend]

Desert Eagle was my first thought.

Hey now, I love my Desert Eagle .50ae. :)

[gladiator]

Smith + Wesson is over rated price , but they are good guns, like the 3913 that I would like to buy , but the pistol list for allmost $900 bucks .

[OlsenG_360]

Desert Eagle was my first thought.


Desert Eagle is the first thing i thought of as well. haha


along with most of the "plus size" revolvers...."dur i got a bigger bullet than you! and i can almost lodge the front sight in the top of my skull every time i shoot it too. the bears and moose find it hilarious and die of laughter."

[mitchshrader]

anything colt.

[usaf207cwf]

HK and Sig...not any more or less reliable, accurate, tough, or pretty than a Glock, but 200 dollars more expensive.

[WellArmedSheep]

The most over-rated weapon is the one praised by someone that rarely shoots it.

"My super-magnum-special forces-tactical thingamabob has gone bang every time I pull the trigger! That's through three whole boxes of ammo!!"

[sfguard]

HK pistols. Yes they are nice but dang if they're not $$$$. Not worth it IMO when a Glock will do the same thing.

This coming from a 1911 fan and a Kimber owner, but I think that Kimber pistols are over rated. At least around here. Everybody treats Kimber pistols like they are a death ray. Get over it, a Hi-Point is a death ray in the right hands.


Glock is overrated IMO. I am glad to "overpay" roughly $100 for the difference in quality that I am getting out of my HKs. But to each his own.

[PlasticGuy]

Magpul Masada. I see people gushing over it, yet it doesn't even exist yet! It could suck. It could also be great, but the "fans" have no way of knowing that yet.

I also disagree with the suggestion of the 1911. Yes, $4200 for a pistol is more than you need to spend to get good performance. Then again, most good 1911's cost $500-$1500. I've seen a lot of shooters struggling with their own handguns, handed a good 1911, and then have their groups shift to 1/3 the size and centered right to point of aim. There are a lot of guns that can be shot well, but it's easier with a good 1911 than with most of the others. There's a reason 1911's aren't shot side-by-side against Glocks in IDPA. The 1911 is "not competitive" compared to the other designs, which is exactly what I want in a defensive pistol.

[zoyter2]

On this site, it has to be the GLOCK. Good gun, but certainly not the "be all, end all" of service pistols. Perfect example is the "torture tests". We need a category for these marked "Morons who abuse their Guns".

In general, I have to go with the Colt revolvers. Nice guns to be sure, but give me a Smith 686 or better yet a good old 19. Right out of the box they are great, but add a couple of hundred for custom work and you can sell that Python because you have a better shooting, slicker pistol.

[SolidGun]

HK and Sig...not any more or less reliable, accurate, tough, or pretty than a Glock, but 200 dollars more expensive.

At least HKs have other models with innovative design....so saything they are not any more reliable/tough/pretty compared to a Glock is an insult. It is a well accepted fact that Glocks are butt ugly.
As for reliability, both of my Glocks have jammed/FTF/FTE. Using the same type ammo and shooting more rounds than 19 and 34 combined, USP in 9mm that I have owned never FTE or FTF with 5000+ rounds. (issues with ammunition aside).

So yes...that extra 200 dollars is most definitely worth it to me. Wasting $500 on another Glock is the waste and they are really overrated.

[shaneman153d]

AR's. Great for TV, bench shooters, and "Geardo's". (see: http://www.bobonthefob.com/archive/geardo.jpg) . Not-so-good for anyone who has had to depend on them.

[50 cal]

Barrett 82A1 family. Waaay overpriced, not as accurate as it could be. I worked there for 13 yrs and constantly fought the higher ups to improve the accuracy.

[MarcoPolo]

I'll go with the 1911. It's a beautiful piece, but IMO.. over rated.

It's much heavier, twice as expensive, and carries less than half the capacity of my Glock... and they are known to be plagued with reliability and mag issues.

:dunno:

[brickboy240]

The Ruger 10-22.

Seriously!

Out of the box, its a very average shooter and every 80 dollar pawnshop rescue Remmy bolt gun I own will out-group it all day long. Bone stock, the average 10-22 is no better than any other smeiauto 22 rifle....maybe worse becuse of its terrible trigger.

Like the 1911, you have to do tons of mods to get the little 10-22 rifle to group decently, when you can buy a used Remington, Winchester or Savage boltgun (earlier the better) and shoot dime sized 50yd groups without fat barrels, trigger replacements and aftermarket stocks and hammers.

With the 10-22 what are you REALLY buying? A receiver...maybe? Hell, you have to swap nearly every other part out to make it shoot decently. Too bad Ruger does not just sell 10-22 receivers alone for 40 bucks and save you the agony. Every gunsmith I know of has a pile of 10-22 stock parts laying around because he has swapped then from nearly new rifles. Sorta a waste if you ask me. 90% of the 10-22 is cast pot metal, stamped parts or plastic...not exactly made of quality materials if you ask me.

If you're into tinkering, the 10-22 is great, but if you want 22 rimfire accuracy and don't want to fiddle around...stay away from the 10-22.

Buy an early Remington 22 boltgun from the pawnshop for 80 bucks and enjoy the 50yd dime sized groups. You won't be needing a 25rd clip to hit things, either!

- Brickboy240

[ky_glock26]

I have both a Glock and a 1911. I can honestly say I love them both. The most worthless firearm? How about the .17?? Can't you just use a .22LR? LOL

Look at the ballistics for the .17hmr, its a much better round than the .22LR in that regard, especially for target shooting.

[ndbullet500]

Glocks. A very good inexpensive pistol, but certainly not "perfection".

[brickboy240]

I wouldnt say the 17HMR is overrated...BUT...it is overrated as a coyote round. Its great for targets and smaller varmints but on larger stuff like coyotes, bobcats and even larger foxes...you're better off with a 223 or bigger round.

Been there...done that. Its deadly accurate, but lacks energy on larger varmints....don't do it. Go to the 222, 223, 243 or 22-250 and you'll be happier with the results.

- brickboy240

[grecco]

Glock

[Bren]

What do you consider to be the most over rated firearm and is that because of the design, the performance or the price?

Anything by H&K.

[Errick]

S&W M29 44 Magnum

The most powerful handgun in the world and it will blow your head clean off...

:cool:

[Andrewsky]

The KISS principle for battle rifles. I think every battle rifle needs a good quality light mounted on it.

[rjm]

I am going to jump on in here and say Glocks. They are fine weapons, but in today's world there are better choices with better triggers and better parts. Why do Glock owners feel the need to buy a bunch of spare parts, well, because they break. ;-)

Battle rifles for the average guy not stationed in a war zone who thinks they need one. You don't need one for anything, you want one. Its cool and all to want one, certainly a good reason to own one, but unless you are going to start robbing banks or holding the cops off, you don't need one. Okay, now go flame away. hehehehe

[RedTape]

Desert Eagles- pretty much usless.
Glock-good guns for the money, but out of my Glocks, HKs and Sigs, Glock's the only one to give me problems. They certainly aren't "perfect" and don't live up to the hype they get in TV and the Internet.

[cmbf117]

Hmm...most overrated? I'd say the DE .50AE, hands down. Expensive gun, expensive ammo, small capacity, way overpowered for most people's use, and bigger/heaver than all hell. People who buy them usually buy them because they saw them on TV or in a movie. I mean, come on...I saw one at the local gun shop plated in gold with tiger striping. :upeyes: Of course, maybe if you hunt grizzly bears...:rofl:

As for glocks, well...I don't think they're necessarily overrated. Rather, they're just extremely person dependent. It's not a "fact" that they're butt ugly, it's an opinion. I personally love the blocky, utilitarian look of my G19. Some people love the angle, some don't. It goes on and on... and of course you're going to get an overabundance of glock-love on a website called GlockTalk!

[RyanSBHF]

What do you consider to be the most over rated firearm and is that because of the design, the performance or the price?



GLOCK. The design is butt ugly with a bad grip angle, made even worse with the addition of finger grooves in the 3rd Gen frame. The first GLOCK I ever shot, a G23, had FTE problems and the worst recoil of any gun I've ever fired, and that includes .44 Magnum revolvers. My best friends G19 has shot much better for me, but not as accurate or reliable as my P99 has been. One thing I can't complain about is the price.

[cmbf117]

GLOCK. The design is butt ugly with a bad grip angle, made even worse with the addition of finger grooves in the 3rd Gen frame. The first GLOCK I ever shot, a G23, had FTE problems and the worst recoil of any gun I've ever fired, and that includes .44 Magnum revolvers. My best friends G19 has shot much better for me, but not as accurate or reliable as my P99 has been. One thing I can't complain about is the price.Case in point! I love the design, the angle fits me well, and I like the finger grooves! But not so for Ryan here.

On a topic like this, it's a pure "to each his own" policy, which makes threads like this really long, and really useless.

[Turtle Dude]

Sig 210.

[Andrewsky]

Battle rifles for the average guy not stationed in a war zone who thinks they need one. You don't need one for anything, you want one. Its cool and all to want one, certainly a good reason to own one, but unless you are going to start robbing banks or holding the cops off, you don't need one. Okay, now go flame away. hehehehe

:upeyes:

[Seafarer12]

At least HKs have other models with innovative design....so saything they are not any more reliable/tough/pretty compared to a Glock is an insult. It is a well accepted fact that Glocks are butt ugly.
As for reliability, both of my Glocks have jammed/FTF/FTE. Using the same type ammo and shooting more rounds than 19 and 34 combined, USP in 9mm that I have owned never FTE or FTF with 5000+ rounds. (issues with ammunition aside).

So yes...that extra 200 dollars is most definitely worth it to me. Wasting $500 on another Glock is the waste and they are really overrated.

I have had the same experience except the other way around. The only HK I have ever shot that didnt jamb or had ho hum accuracy was a Mark 23 and it should be a fine gun for that price. Out of my glock I have had one ftf shooting hollow points out of a few thousand rounds. I mean everyone can sling mud all day but it isnt going to change how everyone thinks. As far as glocks being ugly, they are just as ugly as any other polymer frame gun out there.

[anyplainjoe]

Glock-a great pistol, but some folks think it's going to cure cancer.

[bimmerboy]

I agree and disagree with the nominess thus far. I'd like to add something different...

How about those $10K+ over/under shotguns by Kreighoff or Perazzi? I've never shot one... but I'm not sure what my Browning XS Sporting or similarly priced competition guns can't do that those can in the reliability, longevity, or any other category for that matter. Except for one... the snob appeal.

[Berto]

Glocks,1911 and HK pistols.

All good guns, but hell from infallible.

[grumpybutt]

Glocks, 1911s and anything over $1000

[Kayo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcrmK3jV-4s&NR=1

Ick.

[Ray26]

If you buy it no matter what the price and like it, it isn't overrated.. On the other hand, if you buy it or not and don't like it, it is overrated. Glocks being ugly comes from glock haters struggling to find something negative when they secretly find little or nothing wrong with them...

[cyrsequipment]

It is a well accepted fact that Glocks are butt ugly.


I've always worried about people who say this gun or that gun is "ugly".:upeyes:

It sounds like you're just having a hard time finding one to match your outfit... or maybe just your shoes.:shocked:

IT IS A GUN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, not an accessory like your purse.

[grecco]

I've always worried about people who say this gun or that gun is "ugly".:upeyes:

It sounds like you're just having a hard time finding one to match your outfit... or maybe just your shoes.:shocked:

IT IS A GUN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, not an accessory like your purse.

A very valid point,
but some guns look better than others.

[BlitzAttack]

1911 or an AR, Both are finicky and will jam if you don't take care of them.

so will a women , but you dont see me taking her out of my collection .. haha

[45caldan]

1911s are not overrated.....some are overpriced but No and I mean NO other type of semi-auto pistol has a better (easier to use/shoot) trigger! there is a reason they are still popular almost 100 years later. :whistling:
All this crap about being unreliable (as a design) is just that CRAP!

My vote for overrated is H&K's pistols (although P7s are cool)....nothing here no-one else offers at a better price.

[epsylum]

I am going to have to go with the USP and newer HKs. I do like my P7M8 quite a bit, but the two USPs I had didn't do anything special. I handled a P30 last weekend. I really liked the new grip, but it had the same horrible USP trigger and the decocker on the back of the slide was hard to use. All for the low price of $750! :upeyes:

I also haven't been wowed by anything made by Colt. I have shot about half a dozen of their 1911s, a few of their revolvers (all Pythons), and a .22 of theirs. They all felt like the should cost half as much as they do. The 1911s of theirs have had anywhere from okay to horrible accuracy. The Pythons are pretty, but I can't shoot them to save my life. I do WAY better with a 686 or even a GP-100.

[bac1023]

Glocks are overrated.

[bac1023]

1911, in all it's overpriced, undependable glory. Who the heck needs a GRIP safety on a handgun?

A typical comment from those who know nothing about them.

[Marine8541]

I will only judge the weapons I own but for me it's the M1A. It spends all it's time in my safe. When I want to do some practical shooting with a MBR I go with the FN FAL and when I shoot for score DPMS Panther.

[js1392]

Most OVER rated firearm?

Hands down - handguns. Any handgun. You'll see all manner of claims of this one being the greatest, and that one being able to keep you safe from zombie attacks, when in reality handguns suck. I carry one (or two) daily, but if the fertilizer hit the fan, I'd want a rifle at the very least. Handguns are what you use to fight your way to a rifle. It's a trade off, because most of us can't tote a fighting rifle around without attracting the ire of the populace.

As for 1911 bashing... This gun has been around in some form for over 100 years (remember that version was adopted in 1911 - it existed in very similar form prior to that) and it is still carried by many military units and police officers as the "go to" gun for a pistol. You don't see too many other examples of military hardware that are still being fielded at the century mark. Not too many air forces still flying the Nieuport XVII or Spad XIII. Not too many Navies still rely on the dreadnought. The 1911 can be extremely reliable and accurate. Some are good ~ some not so good. There are junk guns in every category.

[98_1LE]

Smith + Wesson is over rated price , but they are good guns, like the 3913 that I would like to buy , but the pistol list for allmost $900 bucks .
Buy a used one. They only sell them with the rail now, which kinda defeats the purpose of the 3913.

[Choclabman]

Overrated? That is easy.

Glocks--- Ugly, cheap feeling, cheap looking, cheesy trigger, and poor ergonomics.
Glock Perfection.... nothing more than a sad myth perpetuated by the Kool-Aid gang.

[pliskin]

Korth

[98_1LE]

Sigh. These threads make me sad.

That said, I hope we can all agree that the chick in the Mercury car commercials is HOT HOT HOT!

[Ljay]

Most OVER rated firearm?
As for 1911 bashing... This gun has been around in some form for over 100 years (remember that version was adopted in 1911 - it existed in very similar form prior to that) and it is still carried by many military units and police officers as the "go to" gun for a pistol. You don't see too many other examples of military hardware that are still being fielded at the century mark. Not too many air forces still flying the Nieuport XVII or Spad XIII. Not too many Navies still rely on the dreadnought. The 1911 can be extremely reliable and accurate. Some are good ~ some not so good. There are junk guns in every category.

Very well said:bowdown:

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

so will a women , but you dont see me taking her out of my collection .. haha

Oh, me neither, here's one more thing they are expensive to keep around and high maintenance!!!:rofl::rofl::drunk:

[UniversalBrow06]

1911's might suffer from a certain amount of hype, but in my humble opinion they deserve it. Same for Glocks. Same for CZ, and DEFINITELY the same for your major revolver manufacturers (probably the most under-appreciated pistols). My pick for most overrated pistol is:

Walther P22


I know I've wanted one for a while, and I believe people who say that they've improved in quality and reliability, but honestly everyone knows there are much better choices for better prices.

[bac1023]

1911's might suffer from a certain amount of hype, but in my humble opinion they deserve it. Same for Glocks. Same for CZ, and DEFINITELY the same for your major revolver manufacturers (probably the most under-appreciated pistols). My pick for most overrated pistol is:

Walther P22


I know I've wanted one for a while, and I believe people who say that they've improved in quality and reliability, but honestly everyone knows there are much better choices for better prices.

I have to agree somewhat on the Walther. I have the P22 and never really fell in love with it. Its decent for range fun, but not a quality pistol, IMO. The only good thing is that I got it in pristine condition for $199.

[rtl]

The AR15........:upeyes:


A bazillion little pins and springs, cheezy 'sproing' sound when it fires, if the bolt gets stuck out of battery (which it will) it locks the upper to the lower, gas leaks, cleaning nightmare, etc.

[glockophilic]

1911. no doubt in my mind. Expired platform.

[uncbear4]

Desert Eagle was my first thought.

That's a BIG +1

[epsylum]

My pick for most overrated pistol is:

Walther P22


I know I've wanted one for a while, and I believe people who say that they've improved in quality and reliability, but honestly everyone knows there are much better choices for better prices.

+1

I have shot several and could never imagine paying over $200 for one. Maybe if they were $100 I would consider it. My MkII Competition target wasn't too much more than some P22s and is all stainless steel, more accurate, more reliable, bigger and fits adult hands better, will last a lifetime and then some, and has aftermarket support out the wazoo.

[JKG]

Answer: ALL HANDGUNS ARE OVER RATED

Cost is high
Energy and "stopping power" are low
Accuracy is low

[deMontacute]

1911s... I have nothing against them, and think they are decent servicable guns, however it isn't what the 1911 kool-aid drinkers claim them to be. Not bad guns, just overrated...

[txgolfer45]

Seecamp .32 or H&K P7 While they are quality, they are overpriced.

[xd9er]

I wouldnt say the 17HMR is overrated...BUT...it is overrated as a coyote round. Its great for targets and smaller varmints but on larger stuff like coyotes, bobcats and even larger foxes...you're better off with a 223 or bigger round.

I dunno. I heard a pawn shop employee on Thursday last week telling a customer that his brother hunts white tails with his .17 HMR. :shocked:

Now, I'm not a hunter, so maybe I'm wrong, but I think that might be the best example of over-rating a cartridge. :whistling:

[AZ Jeff]

Hmm...most overrated? I'd say the DE .50AE, hands down. Expensive gun, expensive ammo, small capacity, way overpowered for most people's use, and bigger/heaver than all hell. People who buy them usually buy them because they saw them on TV or in a movie. I mean, come on...I saw one at the local gun shop plated in gold with tiger striping. :upeyes: Of course, maybe if you hunt grizzly bears...:rofl:


Except all the geeks who write the code for the various video shooting games, WHO ever rated a Desert Eagle "high" in any category (except maybe the power of the .50AE cartridge.)

Deagles have ALWAYS been fairly ho-hum pistols. The CARTRIDGE they shoot is not to be ignored, but the pistol itself is nothing to write home about.

[Oneiros]

Glock is overrated IMO. I am glad to "overpay" roughly $100 for the difference in quality that I am getting out of my HKs. But to each his own.

Too bad that superior quality doesn't make it more reliable.

[AZ Jeff]

The AR15........:upeyes:


A bazillion little pins and springs, cheezy 'sproing' sound when it fires, if the bolt gets stuck out of battery (which it will) it locks the upper to the lower, gas leaks, cleaning nightmare, etc.

I won't argue the overall merit of the AR-15, but you completely MISS THE POINT of the design philosophy when you complain about the AR having a bazillion springs and pins.

By having all those individual SIMPLE parts, it's EASIER TO SUBCONTRACT the pieces to companies not traditionally in the firearms business. That was one of the key "lessons learned" out of WWII small arms manufacture.

[Tx1911]

Glocks are overrated, lousy grip angle and lousy trigger.... sold my G26 for a CZ PO1 and haven't looked back since, much better...

+10000
Glocks are overrated. I own a G19 and like it for what it does. But the whole perfection thing is silly. Any weapon you buy will have problems. It is our job to maintain them to keep them working. Just Google ' Glock problems ' and their are pages and pages of stuff to read.

[686Owner]

Answer: ALL HANDGUNS ARE OVER RATED

Cost is high
Energy and "stopping power" are low
Accuracy is low

Good luck carrying your assault rifle around on the street.

Any gun you can't use is overrated. ie. a rifle in the car, when you're being shot at in the mall.

[22shooter]

Rohrbaugh R9...waaay overpriced.

[JKG]

Good luck carrying your assault rifle around on the street.

Any gun you can't use is overrated. ie. a rifle in the car, when you're being shot at in the mall.

Who said anything about carrying an assault rifle on the street? You must be confusing me with Clint Smith, but I take that as a compliment (I guess).

[JayAK]

Glock

You dare blaspheme in the house of Gaston?

[ARMOURMAN]

How can anyone say that the 1911 is over-rated. If that's the case, then all pistols are over-rated.

An over-rated firearm, to me, is one that isn't functioning properly or has poor accuracy. I trust my 1911's more than anything else I own.

[TylerDurden]

The Walther P22 and the famous PPK are both highly overrated. Kimbers are overrated, but I don't think that the 1911 is in general.

The Colt bashers need to handle a REAL Colt: a New Service or Officer's Match.

I should also add that H&K > GLock. :)

[JayAK]

The Walther P22 and the famous PPK are both highly overrated. Kimbers are overrated, but I don't think that the 1911 is in general.

The Colt bashers need to handle a REAL Colt: a New Service or Officer's Match.

I should also add that H&K > GLock. :)

PPK for sure!

[MTMilitiaman]

Wow. Between ya'll and me, I guess one of us has bad taste. And it isn't me :whistling:

The 1911 is a fine firearm and a true legend that deserves to be here today. I didn't used to understand its allure either. I figured "surely we can do better, now." So I bought an HK. If we can do better than the 1911, it isn't the HK. So I bought a Glock. Not bad. Still love my Glock. But regardless of capacity, I never felt under gunned with my bro's MilSpec, and I've come to the conclusion that I need a 1911 for myself. Simply put, I hit better with the 1911 than I do with my Glock. It feels better in the hand. I won't make a big deal out of the differences in grip angle, but there is something about the 1911 that works well for me. And it obviously works well for a lot of others too.

I think the 1911 is a victim of its own success. Everybody and their uncle makes a 1911. And everybody feels like they have to do something different to it in order to "improve" and add their own little touches on it to make it unique so that it stands out in a crowded market place. This makes it very hard to control dimensions and quality. The fact that many of these guns are made unnecessarily tight to increase accuracy only complicates matters. By design, there is nothing "unreliable" or "finicky" about the 1911. When I do get a 1911, it will be a Series-70 for this reason.

The Desert Eagle might be a little over rated, because its size and profile makes it very intimidating so it has been used in movies and video games more than it should be. It's not a combat pistol. But it is very accurate, generally reliable, and very well made--and it serves a unique niche in the market so well that it is literally unchallenged. Others have tried, but no other maker has managed to provide a semi-automatic large bore magnum handgun in a feasible package. The Desert Eagle does this while providing rail-gun accuracy and modularity.

It makes a good hunting handgun, and lets face it--most of us primarily shoot for fun. The Desert Eagle in general and the .50 AE in particular it very fun. It has enough recoil to let you know you are along for the ride, but it doesn't hurt you. It is like a hand held rodeo on a bull with no horns. Fire ball, noise, big hole, a decent amount of recoil--all there. Pain. Sore hands. Not so much. So yeah, maybe a little over rated. But if you think it is more than a little over rated, you need to reach between your legs, grab a pair of balls, and remind yourself that this pistol exists only to serve the same part of your brain that comes alive to big ****, big engines, power tools, sacking QBs, and blowing stuff up. The Desert Eagle does this very well.

Likewise, I have to say I paid $140 for my 10/22, and all I had to do to get it to shoot well was drop a $30 hammer into it. I put an old Tasco 3-9 on it and had no problems hitting spent 12 gauge hulls on a berm 50 yards away leaning over the roof of a friend's car. That is as accurate as most need a rimfire to be, and serves my needs just fine.

Glock? Eh. What can I say? It works. It is simple, reliable, and durable. Has good capacity, availability of parts and accessories...

I definitely feel like I got my $550 worth.

So for over rated, I am torn. I was tempted to suggest the AR-15. But I have to say, my only grievances with it are personal. It is a decent rifle, but never turned my crank. It doesn't strike me as anything special, and I certainly don't see where the popularity comes from. I think out military could do better, but it is accurate, modular, has good ergonomics, and is pretty reliable in my experience as well. So lukewarm, whatever, you guys hug your AR-15s and I'll hug my M1A.

But the HK is definitely over rated. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. They may be well made, but their quality is not reflected by their price. There is no way an HK USP should cost as much as it does. None. It is a polymer framed handgun, people. The major advantage of polymer, besides its weight, it supposed to be that it is cheap and easy to manufacture. I will never pay that much for a polymer framed handgun again. That was absurd and I felt retarded after I bought my HK. I can see dumping a grand into a 1911 or a SIG, or something with a steel or alloy frame that actually requires machining. But polymer? Nah. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

[Chronos]

Wow. Between ya'll and me, I guess one of us has bad taste. And it isn't me :whistling:

The 1911 is a fine firearm and a true legend that deserves to be here today. I didn't used to understand its allure either. I figured "surely we can do better, now." So I bought an HK. If we can do better than the 1911, it isn't the HK. So I bought a Glock. Not bad. Still love my Glock. But regardless of capacity, I never felt under gunned with my bro's MilSpec, and I've come to the conclusion that I need a 1911 for myself. Simply put, I hit better with the 1911 than I do with my Glock. It feels better in the hand. I won't make a big deal out of the differences in grip angle, but there is something about the 1911 that works well for me. And it obviously works well for a lot of others too.

I think the 1911 is a victim of its own success. Everybody and their uncle makes a 1911. And everybody feels like they have to do something different to it in order to "improve" and add their own little touches on it to make it unique so that it stands out in a crowded market place. This makes it very hard to control dimensions and quality. The fact that many of these guns are made unnecessarily tight to increase accuracy only complicates matters. By design, there is nothing "unreliable" or "finicky" about the 1911. When I do get a 1911, it will be a Series-70 for this reason.

The Desert Eagle might be a little over rated, because its size and profile makes it very intimidating so it has been used in movies and video games more than it should be. It's not a combat pistol. But it is very accurate, generally reliable, and very well made--and it serves a unique niche in the market so well that it is literally unchallenged. Others have tried, but no other maker has managed to provide a semi-automatic large bore magnum handgun in a feasible package. The Desert Eagle does this while providing rail-gun accuracy and modularity.

It makes a good hunting handgun, and lets face it--most of us primarily shoot for fun. The Desert Eagle in general and the .50 AE in particular it very fun. It has enough recoil to let you know you are along for the ride, but it doesn't hurt you. It is like a hand held rodeo on a bull with no horns. Fire ball, noise, big hole, a decent amount of recoil--all there. Pain. Sore hands. Not so much. So yeah, maybe a little over rated. But if you think it is more than a little over rated, you need to reach between your legs, grab a pair of balls, and remind yourself that this pistol exists only to serve the same part of your brain that comes alive to big ****, big engines, power tools, sacking QBs, and blowing stuff up. The Desert Eagle does this very well.

Likewise, I have to say I paid $140 for my 10/22, and all I had to do to get it to shoot well was drop a $30 hammer into it. I put an old Tasco 3-9 on it and had no problems hitting spent 12 gauge hulls on a berm 50 yards away leaning over the roof of a friend's car. That is as accurate as most need a rimfire to be, and serves my needs just fine.

Glock? Eh. What can I say? It works. It is simple, reliable, and durable. Has good capacity, availability of parts and accessories...

I definitely feel like I got my $550 worth.

So for over rated, I am torn. I was tempted to suggest the AR-15. But I have to say, my only grievances with it are personal. It is a decent rifle, but never turned my crank. It doesn't strike me as anything special, and I certainly don't see where the popularity comes from. I think out military could do better, but it is accurate, modular, has good ergonomics, and is pretty reliable in my experience as well. So lukewarm, whatever, you guys hug your AR-15s and I'll hug my M1A.

But the HK is definitely over rated. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. They may be well made, but their quality is not reflected by their price. There is no way an HK USP should cost as much as it does. None. It is a polymer framed handgun, people. The major advantage of polymer, besides its weight, it supposed to be that it is cheap and easy to manufacture. I will never pay that much for a polymer framed handgun again. That was absurd and I felt retarded after I bought my HK. I can see dumping a grand into a 1911 or a SIG, or something with a steel or alloy frame that actually requires machining. But polymer? Nah. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

Excellent analysis, reflecting my own views.

The 1911 and Glock both have way too much going for them to be "the most overrated," though they naturally have their share of fanboy enthusiasts.

HK as a brand, though, is a puzzle. How can they get away with charging those kind of prices for a generic molded-frame service pistol, which is more or less indistinguishable from every other molded-frame service pistol on the planet? If it's got the HK brand name, it's virtually guaranteed to be horrendously overpriced, even if the gun itself is fairly nice. And let's face it -- in terms of handguns, they have nothing with even close to the legacy of importance left by the 1911 design or the Glock. When the USP and its derivatives eventually go the way of all flesh, no one will notice or care. Yet they continue to play the absurd "we're elite -- we're HK" card...

[Turtle Dude]

I agree and disagree with the nominess thus far. I'd like to add something different...

How about those $10K+ over/under shotguns by Kreighoff or Perazzi? I've never shot one... but I'm not sure what my Browning XS Sporting or similarly priced competition guns can't do that those can in the reliability, longevity, or any other category for that matter. Except for one... the snob appeal.

actually that is not true. I was an NSSA all america skeet shooter and was pretty active on the international circuit for about 12 years. I shot for Perazzi and then switched to the K-80 gun. I also shot brownings and most of the autos and shot four gun with berettas much less expensive 682. At the time the brownings were in the 1000 dollar range, and the beretta in the 1700 dollar range while the Mirage and the K80 were 5000 or so (I didn't pay close to that but that is another story:supergrin:).

most people aren't going to see a difference worth the money. most people are not going to shoot a gun to see the difference in reliability. with the expensive guns you are getting machined parts in areas where the cheaper gun is using cast parts. In 1988 I shot a MT-6 at the trials that I had for ten years. Perazzi had gone through three different importers during that time. I broke a hammer a month before the trials-Perazzi fixed it free in a heartbeat.

Now when you start buying the engraved K guns etc yes you are paying for snob appeal. However, if you take a K gun or a mirage apart and compare it to the basic beretta competition shotgun (not the DT 10 or the even more expensive SO series job) you can see why one gun costs three times what the other one costs.

I knew a shooter - former world record holder and Olympian George Quigley Jr-who shot a K80 so many times he actually wore through the METAL on the barrel (he's 6-5 and his index finger on his left hand rested on the barrel past the forearm wood). The gun was still shooting. That is what you are paying for

[cowboywannabe]

will have to say the high dollar 1911s....

if you have to spend more than the average $400.00 it costs to buy a RIA in order to have a reliable good shooting 1911, id say your feeding ego more than anything else......

a 1911 is a 1911, all the little add-ons can be had for less with the "off brands", but you dont the bragging rights of spending $1,000.00+ on a name brand.

the 1911 itself is not over rated, just the extras that have to be done to make it what you really wanted.....

[JohnnyReb]

I'm surprised it has not been mentioned.

The Bren 10. Numerous parts failures and general unreliability plagued the weapon during its limited production, however people still pay a high premium to have one for some unknown reason.

Not to mention, its ugly! :supergrin:

[GLOCKENNBOOMER]

will have to say the high dollar 1911s....

if you have to spend more than the average $400.00 it costs to buy a RIA in order to have a reliable good shooting 1911, id say your feeding ego more than anything else......

a 1911 is a 1911, all the little add-ons can be had for less with the "off brands", but you dont the bragging rights of spending $1,000.00+ on a name brand.

the 1911 itself is not over rated, just the extras that have to be done to make it what you really wanted.....

What you are paying for is all that extra hand fitting.

[moeman]

Most OVER rated firearm?

Hands down - handguns. Any handgun. You'll see all manner of claims of this one being the greatest, and that one being able to keep you safe from zombie attacks, when in reality handguns suck. I carry one (or two) daily, but if the fertilizer hit the fan, I'd want a rifle at the very least. Handguns are what you use to fight your way to a rifle. It's a trade off, because most of us can't tote a fighting rifle around without attracting the ire of the populace.

As for 1911 bashing... This gun has been around in some form for over 100 years (remember that version was adopted in 1911 - it existed in very similar form prior to that) and it is still carried by many military units and police officers as the "go to" gun for a pistol. You don't see too many other examples of military hardware that are still being fielded at the century mark. Not too many air forces still flying the Nieuport XVII or Spad XIII. Not too many Navies still rely on the dreadnought. The 1911 can be extremely reliable and accurate. Some are good ~ some not so good. There are junk guns in every category.

+1

What I really think are over rated are pistol caliber carbines (other than 357 or 44 mag).

[RedTape]

HKs have more costs in machining the slide, building the frame around the metal support inserts, and...the big one...the import costs from Germany. Take those costs out of the extra $100-150 over a Glock and the price is pretty darn close. No matter what gun you buy, (especially polymer) the price you pay is going to be a lot more than the manufacturing cost.

The value of a gun should be measured by how well you can shoot it. If the grip angle, trigger configuration, etc. on the HK works better for you, that extra $150 is nothing. If the Glock works better, it has a higher value.

"Overrated" should be based on usefulness and hype. My example, the Desert Eagle is practically useless. The Glock has a lot of hype about being "perfect."

[tbreed725]

really when you think about it all are overpriced it doesnt cost nowhere near$400 to make a glock yet how much do they sell for? same as with any gun not just glocks all manufacturers are guilty.

[rtl]

really when you think about it all are overpriced it doesnt cost nowhere near$400 to make a glock yet how much do they sell for? same as with any gun not just glocks all manufacturers are guilty.

Of course it doesn't cost them $400 to make one, but they aren't in business to build you something at cost. If you think it's too much, then don't buy it.

Do you sell your labor to the lowest possible paying employer? If not, then why expect others to do it for you?

[Cobra64]

Just Google ' Glock problems ' and their are pages and pages of stuff to read.No need to. Just go here: http://glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19

[epsylum]

I basically agree with MTMilitiaman's post.

actually that is not true. I was an NSSA all america skeet shooter and was pretty active on the international circuit for about 12 years. I shot for Perazzi and then switched to the K-80 gun. I also shot brownings and most of the autos and shot four gun with berettas much less expensive 682. At the time the brownings were in the 1000 dollar range, and the beretta in the 1700 dollar range while the Mirage and the K80 were 5000 or so (I didn't pay close to that but that is another story:supergrin:).

most people aren't going to see a difference worth the money. most people are not going to shoot a gun to see the difference in reliability. with the expensive guns you are getting machined parts in areas where the cheaper gun is using cast parts. In 1988 I shot a MT-6 at the trials that I had for ten years. Perazzi had gone through three different importers during that time. I broke a hammer a month before the trials-Perazzi fixed it free in a heartbeat.

Now when you start buying the engraved K guns etc yes you are paying for snob appeal. However, if you take a K gun or a mirage apart and compare it to the basic beretta competition shotgun (not the DT 10 or the even more expensive SO series job) you can see why one gun costs three times what the other one costs.

I knew a shooter - former world record holder and Olympian George Quigley Jr-who shot a K80 so many times he actually wore through the METAL on the barrel (he's 6-5 and his index finger on his left hand rested on the barrel past the forearm wood). The gun was still shooting. That is what you are paying for

I was going to say something like that, but you did it a WHOLE lot better. My buddy is a damn good shot (centerfire, rimfire, shotguns, whatever). He has a customized Kreighoff he currently uses for trap. Now he has used his 870 Express home defense gun during a round of trap just to see what he could do and only missed about 4-5 more birds (he is usually close to a perfect round), even with the 18" barrel and cylinder bore. I would guess that even with the 870 he could beat quite a few people, but the money he spent on his Kreighoff is worth the 4-5 more birds per round to him. He now wants another trap gun that is for sale at the trap range. I forget the name as I am not really into it (yet ;) ), but he just mentioned that it is USED for $11,000. Sure it is pretty and all that, but the thing he keeps talking about is how perfectly it fits him and how well it shoots (they let you try out any of the used guns). It may sound like a waste of cash to me or some others, but if he has the money and he feels it helps him achieve his goal of being as good of a trap shooter as possible, then who am I to say that it is a waste of money? At least he can use it. Now if I went out and bought one like it, I would be wasting my money as I am not good enough to benefit from what it has to offer.

[grecco]

Overrated? That is easy.

Glocks--- Ugly, cheap feeling, cheap looking, cheesy trigger, and poor ergonomics.
Glock Perfection.... nothing more than a sad myth perpetuated by the Kool-Aid gang.

and dont forget an entire industry to making perfection more perfect!
but i would still trust my life to one, even though i dropped the slide of a g23 off a work bench and it cracked......so much for the perfection drop test.

[Chronos]

True -- custom engraved shotguns, hand-fitted 1911's and the like are not really over-rated. We all understand that they'e something of a luxury item, and you're paying for "fine craftsmanship" -- not necessarily a quantum leap in performance. What gets me are the "service-grade" guns that masquerade via brand-name (typically HK) and price-inflation as something more than the economy-oriented, injection-molded cop tools they actually are.

[Glock Dave]

Sigs without question. Over priced with horrible triggers. Biggest example of name over substance.

[epsylum]

Sigs without question. Over priced with horrible triggers. Biggest example of name over substance.

I find them to have good triggers (not the best, but decent). The DA is a bit heavy, but what DA serivce auto trigger isn't? I shot a Colt 1911 and a beat to hell W. German SIG P220 back to back. The SIG flat out humiliated the Colt (another reason why am not a big Colt fan). Better accuracy and it could actually finish the mag without jamming. I love the P226 and P220. The smaller SIGs just don't fit my hand well.

[GreenDrake]

Wilson Combat CQB Compact with a Bobbed tail....sure they are high dollar 1911's, WAY up there, but I'm gonna get one, so pfffft, nya nya nya nya nya nyaaaaaaa. Joking aside, the price of the 1911s in general is crazy, when we have all these space aged high tech thingamajiggies. That's still not going to keep me from purchasing a Wilson, giving it a name and taking it for long walks on the beach.

To each his own, to me a Wilson.

[Cobra64]

Sigs without question. Over priced with horrible triggers. Biggest example of name over substance.

And they're butt-ugly too:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000583.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000585.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000570.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000572.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000607.jpg


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[Cobra64]

Sigs without question. Over priced with horrible triggers. Biggest example of name over substance.And let's not forget unreliable...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000554.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/Marks%20Sigs/P1000523.jpg

[tbreed725]

Of course it doesn't cost them $400 to make one, but they aren't in business to build you something at cost. If you think it's too much, then don't buy it.

Do you sell your labor to the lowest possible paying employer? If not, then why expect others to do it for you?


so your telling me that youu only work for the highest paying employer ? think about what you type before you type it . as i stated they before it doesnt cost as much to make as they sell for i never said anything about not buying their products.

[686Owner]

Who said anything about carrying an assault rifle on the street? You must be confusing me with Clint Smith, but I take that as a compliment (I guess).

Is there another option? You're going to carry around a submachine gun? A sawed off shotgun? Hunting rifle?

Let me know how overrated your handgun is, when it saves your life!

[Glock Dave]

I find them to have good triggers (not the best, but decent). The DA is a bit heavy, but what DA serivce auto trigger isn't? I shot a Colt 1911 and a beat to hell W. German SIG P220 back to back. The SIG flat out humiliated the Colt (another reason why am not a big Colt fan). Better accuracy and it could actually finish the mag without jamming. I love the P226 and P220. The smaller SIGs just don't fit my hand well.

Yeah, and I shoot Glocks better than sigs and 1911's and Hk's and and every other gun because that's just me. anyone can find any example of a gun they didn't shoot as well as another. It proves nothing.

And Cobra, nice pics, I would talk more about your camera skills than the fact you buy guns that are overpriced and have horrible DA trigers. I can care less how pretty a gun is. Reliability is another matter but Glocks and even Rugers for that matter are just as reliable and don't cost nearly as much.

[BuckyP]

Seecamp .32 or H&K P7 While they are quality, they are overpriced.

For a while, I thought I'd be the first one to mention the P7. I don't know many people that praise the Seecamp, so I don't see that one as "overrated". P7 owners are fanatic about these things. I've shot several. While admittedly they are unique, I don't think they shoot all that well. Let's not mention the cost of the guns and the magazines. Also, it seems it costs an extra $500 to go from the heel magazine release to the more modern HK release.

Slipping into flame suit now, in case I get flamed ... or actually have to shoot one since they do heat up awfully fast.

[Hailstorm]

Glocks are overrated, lousy grip angle and lousy trigger.... sold my G26 for a CZ PO1 and haven't looked back since, much better...

Looking for a fight? :upeyes:

I have to agree. HK are a bit over priced for what you get. Just my 2 cents.

[sfguard]

Too bad that superior quality doesn't make it more reliable.

Never had one of my HKs jam yet can't say the same for a couple Glocks I have owned.

[MTMilitiaman]

Never had one of my HKs jam yet can't say the same for a couple Glocks I have owned.

And my Glock has been waaaaay more reliable than my HK. So what's your point.

[epsylum]

For a while, I thought I'd be the first one to mention the P7. I don't know many people that praise the Seecamp, so I don't see that one as "overrated". P7 owners are fanatic about these things. I've shot several. While admittedly they are unique, I don't think they shoot all that well. Let's not mention the cost of the guns and the magazines. Also, it seems it costs an extra $500 to go from the heel magazine release to the more modern HK release.

Slipping into flame suit now, in case I get flamed ... or actually have to shoot one since they do heat up awfully fast.

I have a P7M8 and love it. The uniqueness (is that a word? :supergrin: ) is probably the biggest reason people love them. They do shoot very well though. I shoot it about as well as a good 1911 (which I shoot better than any Glock). I also find that I can shoot them very accurately fast due to its near lack of muzzle flip thanks to the extremely low bore axis.

They do heat up fast. I won't deny that. I can shoot about 50 ruonds through it before I need to put it down to cool off. I doubt that many of us will need to shoot a defensive gun 50 times or have enough loaded mags to do so. So I think it is a moot point for a carry gun.

I do not think it is the be all, end all handgun though. Just a cool, somewhat odd and unique firearm that shoots very well. Yeah they are expensive, but they hold their value quite well.

[sfguard]

And my Glock has been waaaaay more reliable than my HK. So what's your point.

Thought it was pretty obvious I love my HKs and you can have your Glocks

[epsylum]

Yeah, and I shoot Glocks better than sigs and 1911's and Hk's and and every other gun because that's just me. anyone can find any example of a gun they didn't shoot as well as another. It proves nothing.

So what does this quote prove?

Sigs without question. Over priced with horrible triggers. Biggest example of name over substance.

You admit that some people can shoot SIGs better than many other guns, yet they are "name over substance"? To the people that can use them they aren't.

[bac1023]

1911. no doubt in my mind. Expired platform.

:rofl:

Its the most competitive platform available and the most heavily used in competition by a landslide.

How much experience do you have with them?

Time to put that cheap plastic in the safe for a while.

[bac1023]

Sigs without question. Over priced with horrible triggers. Biggest example of name over substance.

Yeah, I don't know why I spent so much on my five Sigs when I should have bought the entire line of dime a dozen Glocks instead. Damn.:rofl:

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc226/bcutillo/000_0709.jpg

[Sarge45]

And finally.........the most over rated handguns in the world are...

Any duty or combat type handgun over $600.00 in price - after tax.

In that category with honorable mention are...

1911's
H&K
Sig Sauer

[epsylum]

And finally.........the most over rated handguns in the world are...

Any duty or combat type handgun over $600.00 in price - after tax.

In that category with honorable mention are...

1911's
H&K
Sig Sauer

Says the guy with a Detonics as his avatar. :supergrin:

[bac1023]

Says the guy with a Dectonics as his avatar. :supergrin:

...and Detonics are not cheap 1911s. That looks like a CombatMaster.

[TheAdvocate]

At least HKs have other models with innovative design....so saything they are not any more reliable/tough/pretty compared to a Glock is an insult. It is a well accepted fact that Glocks are butt ugly.
As for reliability, both of my Glocks have jammed/FTF/FTE. Using the same type ammo and shooting more rounds than 19 and 34 combined, USP in 9mm that I have owned never FTE or FTF with 5000+ rounds. (issues with ammunition aside).

So yes...that extra 200 dollars is most definitely worth it to me. Wasting $500 on another Glock is the waste and they are really overrated.

I 100% agree!
HK innovates... glock just rubber stamps a new caliber

[epsylum]

I 100% agree!
HK innovates... glock just rubber stamps a new caliber

How?

I handled a P30. It is a USP with a different grip. Their innovation seemed to stop about 20 years ago.

I am in no way defending Glock. Their major innovation was the G17. Their latest is a slightly smaller grip on the G21. But at least they are willing to make guns in many calibers others won't, like 10mm.

Actually I would rate FN as being the most innovative right now. Like them or hate them, the Five Seven, PS90, and FS2000 are pretty innovative and they aren't afraid to sell them to the public unlike HK.

[zackwatt]

I would have to go with the Desert Eagle.

It is Cool, but:

Expensive to Buy
Expensive to Shoot
Pain to Clean (I am a Perfectionist)
Big and Heavy
Who are We Kidding: It is Just a Novelty!

BUT,

I would not trade it for the world! I LOVE MY DESERT EAGLE!!! :supergrin: :cool:

[bac1023]

I would have to go with the Desert Eagle.

It is Cool, but:

Expensive to Buy
Expensive to Shoot
Pain to Clean (I am a Perfectionist)
Big and Heavy
Who are We Kidding: It is Just a Novelty!

BUT,

I would not trade it for the world! I LOVE MY DESERT EAGLE!!! :supergrin: :cool:

I love my DE as well, although it serves no purpose bsides range fun.

Its hard for me to say its overrated, because I never really hear them rated high. The prices are high.

[epsylum]

I love my DE as well, although it serves no purpose bsides range fun.

Its hard for me to say its overrated, because I never really hear them rated high. The prices are high.

If only they were as good as they are in video games. :supergrin:

I have shot a few. I prefer the S&W .460 for big boom hand cannon fun though.

[bac1023]

If only they were as good as they are in video games. :supergrin:

I have shot a few. I prefer the S&W .460 for big boom hand cannon fun though.

Yeah, they work great in video games. ;)

Actually, mine has never malfunctioned. Its also very accurate, but its just not practical to use for anything besides range fun. I will say that it gets a great deal of attention, which is not necessarily a good thing.

I have a 460 and 500mag revolvers and while they're more powerful than the 50AE, I enjoy shooting the DE more.

[degoodman]

I agree and disagree with the nominess thus far. I'd like to add something different...

How about those $10K+ over/under shotguns by Kreighoff or Perazzi? I've never shot one... but I'm not sure what my Browning XS Sporting or similarly priced competition guns can't do that those can in the reliability, longevity, or any other category for that matter. Except for one... the snob appeal.


The wear life of the locking parts in particular on a the Brownings, Berettas, SKB's and basically any other O/U shotgun have a miniscule lifespan compared to a Krieghoff, Perazzi, Kolar or other competetion grade gun. I know several SERIOUS trapshooters, guys that would bang 5,000 - 10,000 REGISTERED birds in a year, not including practice time, that can and have worn out a Browning in a year. There is tremendous wear life built into the locking parts of the high grade guns that isn't there in an XS or a 686, and the wear parts are replaceable with relative ease by the factory smiths that show up at the major shotgun tourneys. Plus, if you shop around and pass on all the engraving and AAA grade sticks of wood, you can get into one for far under $10K, just as if you have it to blow you can spend far more.

For me, the garbage guns are the semiautomatic "Pistol caliber carbines." They fire the lowest power ammunition that barely gets the job done for defensive purposes, in as large a package as a rifle caliber carbine which is far more effective. Far less versatile than .22 rifles for plinking, and usually exhibit very poor accuracy compared to even modestly priced .22's, revolver cartridge lever guns, or lightweight rifles. Any professional organization that can has dumped the PCC for rifle caliber carbines like the M4 family. They exhibit a lower tendency to overpenetrate than pistol calibers, have dramatically greater effectiveness on target, and do not sacrifice handling, weight or controllability to make that happen. Winner on all fronts.

[Turtle Dude]

I basically agree with MTMilitiaman's post.



I was going to say something like that, but you did it a WHOLE lot better. My buddy is a damn good shot (centerfire, rimfire, shotguns, whatever). He has a customized Kreighoff he currently uses for trap. Now he has used his 870 Express home defense gun during a round of trap just to see what he could do and only missed about 4-5 more birds (he is usually close to a perfect round), even with the 18" barrel and cylinder bore. I would guess that even with the 870 he could beat quite a few people, but the money he spent on his Kreighoff is worth the 4-5 more birds per round to him. He now wants another trap gun that is for sale at the trap range. I forget the name as I am not really into it (yet ;) ), but he just mentioned that it is USED for $11,000. Sure it is pretty and all that, but the thing he keeps talking about is how perfectly it fits him and how well it shoots (they let you try out any of the used guns). It may sound like a waste of cash to me or some others, but if he has the money and he feels it helps him achieve his goal of being as good of a trap shooter as possible, then who am I to say that it is a waste of money? At least he can use it. Now if I went out and bought one like it, I would be wasting my money as I am not good enough to benefit from what it has to offer.


when I came out of my first retirement (I quit when I went to law school) one of the better shooters was a guy using an 1100. he was triple AAA in 12 G and a decent international shooter. However, in several shoots that 1100 would start acting up. Steve never beat me but a couple times I got by him by one or two targets. My perazzi never failed in a tournament.

at the sort of level I was shooting at-and especially the guys who were better than me like Matt Dryke, Bob Schuley, Quigs and Bill Roy, confidence is key. For those guys a top gun wasn't a luxury.

Its like that scene in Chariots of Fire where the would be Champion hires the famous professional track coach to find him another quarter of second.

Now I know lots of guys who own expensive target guns who cannot shoot them-they would lose to your buddy no matter what he shoots. the guns aren't overated-and the pride of ownership is what matters to these men. I went on some driven shoots in england with my dad. I was using a pair of ruger red labels. A guy next to me had a matched pair of Purdeys. about a 100K difference in our guns. I was killing birds 30M past his best shots with a 28 bore. His guns weren't overrated and he was a good fellow-and since he could afford a pair of guns that cost almost as much as my first house-more power to him.

those guns aren't overrated-I would say you can get a gun that performs AS well for alot less money but then again, there are lots of knives made on a machine that will cut as well as a Bagwell or an Original Randall too

[Sarge45]

I love 'em. They're still over rated and too expensive, that's why I don't have one. I have two dream guns left (handguns) that I don't have yet and that's because they are way over rated and aren't worth the money.

Detonics Combatmaster
Bren Ten

Maybe someday....

[js1392]

Hmmm... A Detonics and a Bren Ten. Sounds like a Sonny Crockett complex.

[Cobra64]

Yeah, and I shoot Glocks better than sigs and 1911's and Hk's and and every other gun because that's just me. anyone can find any example of a gun they didn't shoot as well as another. It proves nothing.

And Cobra, nice pics, I would talk more about your camera skills than the fact you buy guns that are overpriced and have horrible DA trigers. I can care less how pretty a gun is. Reliability is another matter but Glocks and even Rugers for that matter are just as reliable and don't cost nearly as much.Absolutely. I agree. The Swiss have a lot to learn.

And the pesky .357 Sig caliber is so substandard that even Glock offers that caliber. And as for the .45 GAP, it's so sophisticated that SiG can't even figger out how to design a weapon for the caliber. Silly Germans.

These are crap too. The United States Navy SEALS, and British SAS should really rethink their selection.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Davis1950/Weapons/Sig%20Sauer%20Guns/P220/P220Combat-1600X1200.jpg



Silly snipers carrying SiGs... When are they gonna learn?
http://www.sigsauer.com/downloads/images/SSG-3000-1024X768.jpg

[Cobra64]

And finally.........the most over rated handguns in the world are...

Any duty or combat type handgun over $600.00 in price - after tax.

In that category with honorable mention are...

1911's
H&K
Sig Sauer

It appears you pay MSRP. That's too bad.

Last August, a friend of mine bought a Sig Pro SP 2022 NIB (without light) from CDNN for $469.00 + $10.00 shipping to his FFL.

http://www.sigsauer.com/downloads/images/SIG-Pro-1024X768.jpg

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[anyplainjoe]

Hmmm... A Detonics and a Bren Ten. Sounds like a Sonny Crockett complex.

He had a S&W 45 auto too!

[Ljay]

Wow. Between ya'll and me, I guess one of us has bad taste. And it isn't me :whistling:

The 1911 is a fine firearm and a true legend that deserves to be here today. I didn't used to understand its allure either. I figured "surely we can do better, now." So I bought an HK. If we can do better than the 1911, it isn't the HK. So I bought a Glock. Not bad. Still love my Glock. But regardless of capacity, I never felt under gunned with my bro's MilSpec, and I've come to the conclusion that I need a 1911 for myself. Simply put, I hit better with the 1911 than I do with my Glock. It feels better in the hand. I won't make a big deal out of the differences in grip angle, but there is something about the 1911 that works well for me. And it obviously works well for a lot of others too.

I think the 1911 is a victim of its own success. Everybody and their uncle makes a 1911. And everybody feels like they have to do something different to it in order to "improve" and add their own little touches on it to make it unique so that it stands out in a crowded market place. This makes it very hard to control dimensions and quality. The fact that many of these guns are made unnecessarily tight to increase accuracy only complicates matters. By design, there is nothing "unreliable" or "finicky" about the 1911. When I do get a 1911, it will be a Series-70 for this reason.


Glock? Eh. What can I say? It works. It is simple, reliable, and durable. Has good capacity, availability of parts and accessories...

I definitely feel like I got my $550 worth.


Very well said!:bowdown:

The 1911 AR 15, and Glocks are all victims of there own success,,

you know your ahead when your getting kicked from behind

[Sarge45]

Hmmm... A Detonics and a Bren Ten. Sounds like a Sonny Crockett complex.

You are exactly correct.:shocked:

[NickoGlock]

1911 i mean come on they were designed om almost 100 years ago i think were a lil more advances now unless you like old s****

[shaneman153d]

Jesus man quit clogging up the forum with pics of your sigs!!!

Do you really think posting a pic of your "lineup" is going to change the naysayers' mind??

How dare they have an opinion on a gun forum!!!!!! :steamed:

"So they don't like Hi-point??!!! I'll show them!!!!"

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh165/shaneman250/hipointpimp.jpg

"NOW what do they think!!!!????"

[MTMilitiaman]

1911 i mean come on they were designed om almost 100 years ago i think were a lil more advances now unless you like old s****

Depends how you define "advanced."

We have guns on the market now that are cheaper and easier to manufacture, guns that have higher capacities, and guns that are easier to field strip.

But a century after its creation, we still have nothing on the market that is faster or easier to hit with, more accurate, reliable, or durable than the 1911, nor anything that really combines the same level of these features with .45 caliber firepower and the shootability and ergonomics of the 1911.

And when you consider that nearly every other handgun on the market uses a modified link-less Browning system, the link is pretty much the only thing that separates the 1911 from being operationally almost identical to pretty much anything you can grab from a gun counter--SIGs, Glocks, HKs--all of them.

More advanced? In anything that matters? How so?

Maybe I just don't think that being new necessarily makes something better. Or I could just like old ****.

[Sarge45]

I like old s***. Ya volunteerin' to stand in front of it and tell me it ain't effective ? Which one of these "antiques" you think is least effective ? ;^) I'd like a demo please.

http://www.procch.com/four1911.jpg

[Andrewsky]

Depends how you define "advanced."

We have guns on the market now that are cheaper and easier to manufacture, guns that have higher capacities, and guns that are easier to field strip.

But a century after its creation, we still have nothing on the market that is faster or easier to hit with, more accurate, reliable, or durable than the 1911, nor anything that really combines the same level of these features with .45 caliber firepower and the shootability and ergonomics of the 1911.

And when you consider that nearly every other handgun on the market uses a modified link-less Browning system, the link is pretty much the only thing that separates the 1911 from being operationally almost identical to pretty much anything you can grab from a gun counter--SIGs, Glocks, HKs--all of them.

More advanced? In anything that matters? How so?

Maybe I just don't think that being new necessarily makes something better. Or I could just like old ****.

I kind of feel the same way with M14s and M16s. Is the M16 supposed to be an improvement?

I just like old **** too I guess.:supergrin:

[cjlandry]

I kind of feel the same way with M14s and M16s. Is the M16 supposed to be an improvement?

I just like old **** too I guess.:supergrin:

Ain't nothing wrong with that, my friend.

The M14 might be an improvement over the M1, just as the M1 was an improvement over the M1903.

But the M16 was just a lateral for the M14. Not any better, just helped complete certain missions better than the Wood Stock would have done.

[hogship]

Depends how you define "advanced."

We have guns on the market now that are cheaper and easier to manufacture, guns that have higher capacities, and guns that are easier to field strip.

But a century after its creation, we still have nothing on the market that is faster or easier to hit with, more accurate, reliable, or durable than the 1911, nor anything that really combines the same level of these features with .45 caliber firepower and the shootability and ergonomics of the 1911.

And when you consider that nearly every other handgun on the market uses a modified link-less Browning system, the link is pretty much the only thing that separates the 1911 from being operationally almost identical to pretty much anything you can grab from a gun counter--SIGs, Glocks, HKs--all of them.

More advanced? In anything that matters? How so?

Maybe I just don't think that being new necessarily makes something better. Or I could just like old ****.

You're on a roll, MM.......

I tend to agree, even though I don't consider myself a 1911 man. I do think the 1911 is probably one of the most significant handgun designs of all time.....one of the most long lasting, but still functionally viable configurations in a world of plastic and high tech manufacturing.

hog

[MTMilitiaman]

You're on a roll, MM.......

I have my moments :supergrin:

[shaneman153d]

I like old s***. Ya volunteerin' to stand in front of it and tell me it ain't effective ? Which one of these "antiques" you think is least effective ? ;^) I'd like a demo please.

http://www.procch.com/four1911.jpg

Wow :shocked:

[js1392]

You are exactly correct.:shocked:

I must admit, sometimes I too feel like putting on the white suit, pastel t-shirt, slip on shoes, and sliding into my Ferrari Daytona Spider GTS/4, with my Bren Ten hanging under my arm in my Jackass Rig. Oh wait... I don't have any of those things!!! I might be able to dig up some slip on shoes though...

Miami Vice was one of the most UNDER RATED tv shows of the 80's, starring an OVER RATED Corvette dressed up like a Ferrari! There, now we're back on subject - sort of.

[Sarge45]

I must admit, sometimes I too feel like putting on the white suit, pastel t-shirt, slip on shoes, and sliding into my Ferrari Daytona Spider GTS/4, with my Bren Ten hanging under my arm in my Jackass Rig. Oh wait... I don't have any of those things!!! I might be able to dig up some slip on shoes though...

Miami Vice was one of the most UNDER RATED tv shows of the 80's, starring an OVER RATED Corvette dressed up like a Ferrari! There, now we're back on subject - sort of.

Seriously though, Miami Vice is what peaked my interest in the Detonics and the Bren. I had a slight interest in handguns before I saw them on the show but after that my desire to own one has never gone away and in fact, is partly responsible for my keen interest in 1911's in general. He can keep the Smith though. Just never developed an interest in his other handguns.

I don't live Miami Vice, don't wear deck shoes or white sport coats or pink slacks and don't even watch the reruns. I drive a pickup truck and wear blue jeans a t-shirts in my spare time. The show was good at the time but, there really were some kewl guns featured in his episodes.

I have one more dream gun that I haven't acquired yet. A genuine, no parts-assembled but the real deal IMI Galil in .223 cal. I don't remember seeing one on Miami Vice but, that may have been another subliminal message before they banned them. :whistling:

Peace.

[Los Suenos]

HK
Sig

In that order, IMO.

[Orlando Eric]

Another vote for the over $1,200 AR and the same for the custom tactical combat elite operator 1911's.

I spent the money of a Goldcup and what did I do... fiddle with it for another $500.00 plus.

I bought a combat commander ($250.00) series 70 put $300 in it for the wife (now ex) and liked it as much if not more.

My Armalite with extra mags was $900.00 and I have shot it side by side with the wunder customs with more bolt ons than a JC WHitney catalog. As a matter of fact RECENTLY and outshot them.

My daily is a GLock and for an out of the box here you go I have not personally had a gun run better or as easy to work on. BTW I have never had to work on my G22 and hope to wear out my Dillon Carbide dies with it.

[Orlando Eric]

PS- My last post is not a 1911 slam. I love em.. as long as they are not the finely tuned customs.. unless of course you are paying for it... then I'd like to try a set of those STI's

[JNKIRK1974]

+1 on the Desert Eagle....

I'd also have to say the 500 mag is right up there....

I totally agree on this one. Nothing that a good big bore revolver can't do. Also a TERRIBLE combat pistol!

[leitung]

Me well..
1) Kel-Tecs: These cheap little SOB's that people carry everyday and invest their lives in. I have heard way too many stories of these things failing and jamming, plus they have a weak load.

2) Desert Eagles: Just a big ass gang banger gun. Every little wannabe gang banger homie wants a desert eagle for some reason. Ammo is expensive.

3)Walther: Fugly in my opinion, and now all they are is a rebadged smith & wesson.

4)Springfield XD's: Just a cheap glock knock off, they look way too much like em, I am suprised that Glock has not filed a suit for their striking similar looks.

[9mm Lover]

Depends how you define "advanced."

We have guns on the market now that are cheaper and easier to manufacture, guns that have higher capacities, and guns that are easier to field strip.

But a century after its creation, we still have nothing on the market that is faster or easier to hit with, more accurate, reliable, or durable than the 1911, nor anything that really combines the same level of these features with .45 caliber firepower and the shootability and ergonomics of the 1911.

And when you consider that nearly every other handgun on the market uses a modified link-less Browning system, the link is pretty much the only thing that separates the 1911 from being operationally almost identical to pretty much anything you can grab from a gun counter--SIGs, Glocks, HKs--all of them.

More advanced? In anything that matters? How so?

Maybe I just don't think that being new necessarily makes something better. Or I could just like old ****.

Actually there is but you seem to have not heard of it. It's called Sig 220. As I'm typing this my brand new Kimber freaking "Custom" II is back at Kimber because it won't go through a mag without 2-3 FTF, FTE and double feed. My Colt Gold Cup won't cycle and won't go through a mag without 1-2 burps. And to top it off another "top of the shelf, custom, high end yada yada yada..." 1911 that I got just a week ago just had 1 double feed and 1 FTE and won't hold the slide open after the last round. Thankfully because they "hooked me up" in the first place I didn't pay that much but they usually build the same gun for close to $3000. Yes, as in "Three Thousand American Dollars"!

But guess what ... My $500 bone stock (other than nights and CCR's cera hide finish) Sig 220 would go bang all day long, would punch a big freaking hole RIGHT in the middle of the target all day long, is a LOT easier and lighter to carry ... Same shooter, same assortment of ammo, same range, same conditions, same day and finally within the same half an hour timeframe. How about them apples? I literally laughed at the "gunsmith" at my range when he had the audacity to tell me it may be "the operator" (AKA me) because he never had a problem "in the last 30 years that he had been shooting 1911 guns". I asked him if he ever shot at anything that was actually shooting back at him. And told him I wouldn't talk about this "operator" thing again until he confirms he did. Tell that "operator" issue to your widow when you pull the trigger in a self defense situation and all you hear is .... nothing. Never mind the fact that I find that "30 years of trouble free 1911 shooting" statement a big bunch of dogpoop. Even the 1911 aficionados would tell you that at least "occasionally" they have reliability issues. From a $300 1911 all the way to $3K gun.

I finally sold the Gold Cup (yes, with full disclosure and the guy said "yes, they do that sometimes") Now looking forward to watch the Kimber and other "custom" leaving my household very soon. I'm sure I won't be crying that night.

There. That's the advancement for you. Or for me actually. I will feel really "advanced" when aforementioned guns are all gone and I don't have to shell out big bucks for a "firearm" and struggle to make the darn thing actually "fire".

[9mm Lover]

By the way another overrated gun is Glock. Yes, I have a bunch of them. I see more Glocks choke at the range than kool aid drinkers would ever admit. Limp wristing (or any other BS that they come up with) is an excuse that is totally laughable. Every time I see a petite woman or a kid shooting a Glock in the next lane I stop and wait to hear them saying " Can you look at this. I think there is something wrong with it" to their "gun guy" companion. And most of the time I actually do hear that.
Good luck when you "can't" stand there like a rock with full 2 hand grip on the gun shooting at your assailant.

[Solesurvivor]

Actually there is but you seem to have not heard of it. It's called Sig 220. As I'm typing this my brand new Kimber freaking "Custom" II is back at Kimber because it won't go through a mag without 2-3 FTF, FTE and double feed. My Colt Gold Cup won't cycle and won't go through a mag without 1-2 burps. And to top it off another "top of the shelf, custom, high end yada yada yada..." 1911 that I got just a week ago just had 1 double feed and 1 FTE and won't hold the slide open after the last round. Thankfully because they "hooked me up" in the first place I didn't pay that much but they usually build the same gun for close to $3000. Yes, as in "Three Thousand American Dollars"!

But guess what ... My $500 bone stock (other than nights and CCR's cera hide finish) Sig 220 would go bang all day long, would punch a big freaking hole RIGHT in the middle of the target all day long, is a LOT easier and lighter to carry ... Same shooter, same assortment of ammo, same range, same conditions, same day and finally within the same half an hour timeframe. How about them apples? I literally laughed at the "gunsmith" at my range when he had the audacity to tell me it may be "the operator" (AKA me) because he never had a problem "in the last 30 years that he had been shooting 1911 guns". I asked him if he ever shot at anything that was actually shooting back at him. And told him I wouldn't talk about this "operator" thing again until he confirms he did. Tell that "operator" issue to your widow when you pull the trigger in a self defense situation and all you hear is .... nothing. Never mind the fact that I find that "30 years of trouble free 1911 shooting" statement a big bunch of dogpoop. Even the 1911 aficionados would tell you that at least "occasionally" they have reliability issues. From a $300 1911 all the way to $3K gun.

I finally sold the Gold Cup (yes, with full disclosure and the guy said "yes, they do that sometimes") Now looking forward to watch the Kimber and other "custom" leaving my household very soon. I'm sure I won't be crying that night.

There. That's the advancement for you. Or for me actually. I will feel really "advanced" when aforementioned guns are all gone and I don't have to shell out big bucks for a "firearm" and struggle to make the darn thing actually "fire".

Now that had to be theraputic! :supergrin: You were walking around with a lot of stuff pent up inside. :rofl: I'm surprised you didn't invite the smithy to firmly deposit said 1911 side arm side ways to places noone likes to visit. Really funny (to me because I'm not the owner of the offending pistols) post. I know the feeling of a crappy performing high cost gun. It sucks. Good luck with the Kimber resurection.

[HK45Mark23]

9 mini meter

[HK45Mark23]

[QUOTE=bac1023;9680395] I love my DE as well, although it serves no purpose bsides range fun. [QUOTE]

I can't stand when people say that a gun or something has not purpose excetp (fill the blank with your limited views).

Really the DE is great for alot of things, hunting, range fun and self defence for those who can afford and are large enough to pull it off.

[MacG22]

HK
Sig

In that order, IMO.

Who, then, sits at the top o the non-custom 1911 auto loaders? I know this is your opinion, but I've owned at least one gun from just about all the major manufacturers, and these two sit at the top.

[anyplainjoe]

Over priced...
Colt anything
any AR over $1,000

Overhyped...
Glock
HK


Underappreciated...
Ruger
VE series Sigmas
Taurus PT1911 & 92

[zoyter2]

Me well..
1) Kel-Tecs: These cheap little SOB's that people carry everyday and invest their lives in. I have heard way too many stories of these things failing and jamming, plus they have a weak load.

The weak load comment aside, I just don't know what to carry. You hear way too many stories about the Glocks in .40 S&W kbing all the time. :whistling:

3)Walther: Fugly in my opinion, and now all they are is a rebadged smith & wesson.

You opinion on beauty aside, you just really don't have a clue about Walther or how they relate to S&W, do you? :upeyes:

4)Springfield XD's: Just a cheap glock knock off, they look way too much like em, I am suprised that Glock has not filed a suit for their striking similar looks.

Yeah, when I saw them selling the XD and noticed that the XD seems to have a barrel and a grip also, I thought WHOA?!?! What's up with that?!! :supergrin:

[G31Steve]

Any AR15.

[mitchshrader]

unloaded guns.
safe queens.
guns with no job.
fourth backups..
guns with no ammo..
.22 pistols
short cartridge magnum rifles
28 gauge anything
anything .454 or bigger for ccw.

[grecco]

Glock,
great 500 dollar pistol,
works great,unfortunately tons of kool aid drinkers that will never admit a problem,its always a free upgrade never a recall,
and my favorite,limp wrist or bad ammo excuses.

[dosei]

On this site, it has to be the GLOCK.

I could not agree more...

[nsabjg]

I have to reply to those that say that some AR15 are overrated I have one AR with about $1700 in it and it is worth every cent.
As to what I think is overrated it will have to be the Springfield XD.
Another would have to be the 1911.
Another the KelTecs.
Tec9's
Did I say XD's?
XD's.
And one more XD.

[sappy13]

unloaded guns.
safe queens.
guns with no job.
fourth backups..
guns with no ammo..
.22 pistols
short cartridge magnum rifles
28 gauge anything
anything .454 or bigger for ccw.


just wondering why you call .22 pistols overated. They are great plinking guns for the range that allow you to hone your skills and have fun while not costing an arm and a leg to shoot. Is there any other caliber that you can shoot over 500 of for less than 13 dollars.

[byf43]

Overrated lineup:

H&K
Sig
FAL
AK-47 and AK-74
Any Ruger other than the 10/22 and it's alright, for a plinker.

[alecat88]

I saw a revolver buy a company called Korth it was 15,000.00 dollars.

[zulu45]

The Beretta 92F; not nearly as good as the CZ-75, but more expensive. And while fine for a civilian gun, that exposed barrel on the top only exposes the insides a bit more to dust, dirt, debris, etc. It is a great gun, but I'd take a CZ over a Beretta ANY day. In fact, I'd say that the CZ-75 is one of the most under-rated guns.

The AR-15 is fine, but those that have enough accessories to cost more than the AR itself are very over-rated. It's all in good fun, but it just screams "mall ninja" when you see somebody at the range all dressed up in tacti-cool gear with one of these. It's nice, though, to watch them not even know how to handle the damn thing. :rofl:

The Kimbers are over-rated, imo, but not the 1911 platform. The limited experience I have with them has shown me that you can get a better 1911 from Springfield Armory, with a better warranty, for the same or a lower price. Colt is even worse. I wouldn't call the custom 1911s over-rated, just expensive. The 1911 can back it's claim of greatness up with historical and modern data.

The Glock... NOT. I don't see how it could be called overrated, considering that Glock performs as well as it does. It isn't the best, but it is FAR from the worst. But I'd say that any gun that can withstand such abuse (such as the AK-47) and still keep on going is worthy of the praise they receive.

[rgregoryb]

anything not designed by John Moses Browning :whistling:

[tooouter]

9 mini meter

+1 any 9mm that's used for anything other than a BUG

Any gun that has "Hand fitting."

Any 1911 with an OTD price over $1,000

Most underrated - 1911's with prices in the $600 to $1,000 range.

[isecobra]

Ar (m16) Shot One For Years In The Marines, Pop You In The Head At 500 Yds Open Sights All Day Long,

The 1911 Is A American Icon, Every American Should Be Required To Have One By Law.

Anything That Shoots Anything Smaller Than A .380 Acp Is Nothing But A Toy. If You Want To Piss A Guy Off Shoot Him With A .32 Acp, And Then Run For Your Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lol

[RMTactical]

M14/M1A is overrated.

Although better than the M1 Garand in every facet, it came too late. By the time the M14 became the standard US military rifle it was already obsolete.

[isecobra]

If It Wasn't For Mr. Browning We Would All Be Shooting Sling Shots

[michael t]

glock, The orginal spray and pray pistol . over rated, way over priced , grip angle and trigger terrible . Proves you can sell Americans anything if advertized it right.

[sigcalcatrant]

This thread was an awesomely hilarious, entertaining read. The Glock lovers think the SIG's and H&K's are over-priced. The SIG and H&K aficionados think Glocks are cheap. They both think 1911's are out-dated antiques. The non-handgun hunters think only gang bangers appreciate Desert Eagles. The 1911 guys hate plastic and think no other guns are accurate but 1911's. Then there is the anti AR-15 crowd. They seem to think AR's choke on the tiniest speck of dust, and the 5.56 NATO is just above .22LR, barely. A most informative thread, even though the thoughts expressed are mostly opinion and widely scattered fact, not to mention exaggeration.

[Sniperfox]

:popcorn: makes for a full sprectrum of opinions and even some philosophy thrown in occasionally too.

[bac1023]

glock, The orginal spray and pray pistol . over rated, way over priced , grip angle and trigger terrible . Proves you can sell Americans anything if advertized it right.

I think Glocks are good pistols, but I would agree that they are overpriced. When it comes to accuracy, I think they are way overrated.

[The Habit]

Nothing is overrated if you can afford it.

[PAGunner]

Obviously the 1911, from any brand. I've never owned one, never shot one, don't need to. Everyone on this forum, and that I have talked to in person has this 2,000 round rule to break the stupid things in. I have a Glock and HK, both shoot flawless out of the box, they will eat anything. I've tried to get both to jam (shot one handed, weak handed, limp wristed with hollows, junk FMJs, double, triple taps, OG style, no hiccups), but both refuse to do so. Don't own a Sig, but hear many good things from them and there is probably one or ten of those in my future also.

I cannot see myself buying a 1911, just my opinion, I know there will be the die hards that love them and flame my post, but I don't care. No matter how much money I have, I will never become a 1911 guy, I've held them and IMO, there is nothing special about them. After 100 years, you think people would want to move to something more reliable and cost effective.:whistling:

[Donn57]

Whatever handgun you champion as the ultimate in handguns is what is overrated because no matter what gun you might have that has been 100% reliable through 10 million rounds and that you can shoot the balls off a gnat with at 100 yards, blindfolded is going to have examples that someone else can't fire two rounds through without a malfunction and when it does manage to fire won't hit the side of a barn at three paces.

So while you might think that model or manufacturer is the be all, end all of handguns, someone else is going to consider it overrated.

I love my Glocks, but they are not perfection. Neither are any of the other guns I own, tho, including my SIG/Browning P220 and my Colt 1911.

[bac1023]

Obviously the 1911, from any brand. I've never owned one, never shot one, don't need to. Everyone on this forum, and that I have talked to in person has this 2,000 round rule to break the stupid things in. I have a Glock and HK, both shoot flawless out of the box, they will eat anything. I've tried to get both to jam (shot one handed, weak handed, limp wristed with hollows, junk FMJs, double, triple taps, OG style, no hiccups), but both refuse to do so. Don't own a Sig, but hear many good things from them and there is probably one or ten of those in my future also.

I cannot see myself buying a 1911, just my opinion, I know there will be the die hards that love them and flame my post, but I don't care. No matter how much money I have, I will never become a 1911 guy, I've held them and IMO, there is nothing special about them. After 100 years, you think people would want to move to something more reliable and cost effective.:whistling:

How can you have an opinion when you don't even know what you're talking about? :rofl: You sound real ignorant.

Most my 1911s have worked perfect out of the bos and have been more reliable than my Glocks.

[PAGunner]

How can you have an opinion when you don't even know what you're talking about? :rofl: You sound real ignorant.

Most my 1911s have worked perfect out of the bos and have been more reliable than my Glocks.

#1 1911 Doesn't feel right in my hand (actually debated buying a compact, and did my internet research, talked to a couple of friends that own at least one and spoke with my local FFL)

#2 will not pay the insane price of $1,600, or whatever the going rate is for one of the more reputable 1911s, sorry, I'm on a fixed budget right now and that is just crazy (even if I could afford it, I wouldn't pay it, just my personality)

#3 way too many stupid parts (that can break at really bad times), I believe in KISS.

#4 I like polymer pistols (better for CCW), call me crazy.

#5 too many stories from the people I've spoken with in person and in forums such as this that I don't trust a 1911 out of the box and do not wish to put 3,000 rounds through it before it becomes reliable (add the price of ammo to the already crazy 1911 price)

#6 Low magazine capacity, my HK USPc .45 holds 8 in the mag and 1 in the tube, I'll stick with that.

So the question is, why