My G17 was Stolen From Fed-Ex

[Magicmanmb]

Found a Gen 1 G17 on the 8th sent it back to be redone at the factory and guess what?

It won't be coming back. Never arrived in GA. Sent it out Fed-Ex. they scanned it when they took it in it made it 70 miles to Florence, SC and hasn't been heard from since. I filed a claim with Fed-Ex, see if they will pay off on it insured for full value.

If anyone runs across a Gen1 G17 serial # PP033 w/night sights and NYPD box with 5lb trigger, LMK. So far this has started out as a crap year first the M53 stolen and recovered now this.

[Wash-ar15]

i hope you sent it next day air. if you did the insurance should cover your loss.

[Sniperfox]

Make sure that the weapon is reported stolen to Law Enforcement, not just to Fedex.

[cyrsequipment]

Make sure that the weapon is reported stolen to Law Enforcement, not just to Fedex.

YES DO THAT TOO!

You don't want your name attached to a gun that was used in a crime.

[tonyparson]

that sucks i hate to hear that i hope you can get it back some how

[Sniperfox]

YES DO THAT TOO!

You don't want your name attached to a gun that was used in a crime.
That and if the weapon is located, you stand a good chance of it being returned to you unless it has been used in some crime.

[Nalapombu]

Uh Oh we better look out now if the past is any indication of what's to come Fed Ex will now buy an SR-71 Blackbird and FORCE ALL firearms shipments to be sent via SuperSonic Express Shipping at a cost of $1,784 per pound.

Nala

[jack the toad.]

Sorry for your loss, that really sux. Hope all turns ok.
IIRC that's why UPS and FedEx require air freight instead of the cheaper ground freight on handguns. Theft on their own shipping docks likely by their people which they can't/won't control so shippers (bottom line, the end purchaser) has to pay more.

[kimberguy2004]

That and if the weapon is located, you stand a good chance of it being returned to you unless it has been used in some crime.

You also have a better chance of getting it back if it shows up at a pawn shop, or if the cops find it on a bad guy. When you report it stolen, the serial number goes into a nationwide data base that cops and pawn shops use to see if merchandise is stolen. I know.. I had one stolen and recovered like that.

[Sniperfox]

You also have a better chance of getting it back if it shows up at a pawn shop, or if the cops find it on a bad guy. When you report it stolen, the serial number goes into a nationwide data base that cops and pawn shops use to see if merchandise is stolen. I know.. I had one stolen and recovered like that.
Same here. 3 weeks after I had returned home from Desert Storm, someone broke into my place while I was at work and my NIB snubbie .38 was stolen. 4 years later, it was recovered in unfired condition in a pawn shop in West Virginia. The investigation showed that it was stolen in NC and pawned in W.Va less than 5 days later. He priced it kinda high I suppose because it stayed there until a cop was buying it for himself for Christmas and while the store operator was filling out his paperwork, the cop ran the serial number on his walkee talkee and it popped right out of NCIC as stolen. It was shipped back to me the next week. Sucks to be the pawn store owner.

[eddief4]

you had a 1st gen G17 and you let out of your sight!!! :wow:


hope you get it back. i would LOVE a 1st gen G17!!!

[eddief4]

Same here. 3 weeks after I had returned home from Desert Storm, someone broke into my place while I was at work and my NIB snubbie .38 was stolen. 4 years later, it was recovered in unfired condition in a pawn shop in West Virginia. The investigation showed that it was stolen in NC and pawned in W.Va less than 5 days later. He priced it kinda high I suppose because it stayed there until a cop was buying it for himself for Christmas and while the store operator was filling out his paperwork, the cop ran the serial number on his walkee talkee and it popped right out of NCIC as stolen. It was shipped back to me the next week. Sucks to be the pawn store owner.


:wow: good thing you got it back!!
ooh, i thought pawn shops check for stolen items/guns?!?!

[Butch]

ooh, i thought pawn shops check for stolen items/guns?!?!

I'm sure it depends on state or local laws.....



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[alexd]

I'm sure it depends on state or local laws.....



:patriot:

After several rifles were stolen from me in Maine, I inquired at all the local pawnshops. Admittedly, this was in the seedy crime-ridden ex-mill town of Waterville, ME but 3 pawn shop owners told me definitively that they do not check serial numbers against any database of stolen guns.

I hate any sort of gun registration but a stolen gun database seems logical and I don't see how it would infringe on 2A. I don't think it should be mandated but I can't imagine a pawn shop owner wouldn't voluntarily want to know if a gun was stolen.

[mballai]

One of the reasons I like Glocks is that you almost never need to send them back to Glock or anywhere else. So far I've only sent a slide off to be refinished.

[zdragon23c]

fedex employs private sub-contractors on the ground....obviously an inside job.

[fofinger]

now that's going to give me a nightmare.....

[Glockwork Orange]

They made a big bust back in NYC about two years ago...a UPS or FedEx driver (don't remember which) was taking guns destined for West Side Shooting Range in Manhattan and taking them home and sellling them on the street instead of delivering them...did some investigation as to who was the driver when certain guns got stolen and ATF followed him home for a while and caught him in the act of selling 'em...

99.9% of guns missing off the UPS/FedEx trucks are probably taken by the driver or "left" on the rear of truck for a friend to conveniently walk away with...

[JonShoup]

i would LOVE a 1st gen G17!!!

Eddie, I have to ask, where do you work? :supergrin:

Seriously though, that is horrible. Sorry, bro

[Bullet94]

i thought pawn shops check for stolen items/guns?!?!

Apparently the fences, I mean pawn shops don’t.

[Orkinman]

They made a big bust back in NYC about two years ago...a UPS or FedEx driver (don't remember which) was taking guns destined for West Side Shooting Range in Manhattan and taking them home and sellling them on the street instead of delivering them...did some investigation as to who was the driver when certain guns got stolen and ATF followed him home for a while and caught him in the act of selling 'em...

99.9% of guns missing off the UPS/FedEx trucks are probably taken by the driver or "left" on the rear of truck for a friend to conveniently walk away with...

Fed-Ex has to clearly mark and label every package as containing a firearm. That's what contributes to this. Jewelers send their priceless jewels through the mail completely unmarked to P.O. boxes and almost never have losses this way. Makes you wonder...

[NIB]

fedex employs private sub-contractors on the ground....obviously an inside job.

That was very apparent when a couple of years ago I had a couple of Fed-ex packages delivered to my house in a U-Haul truck.

[Texas357]

Once someone on the inside figures out that those similar shaped packages going to "Joe's Guns" or whatever contain guns, they usually start keeping so many of them they make it obvious and get caught.

Jewelers often have innocuous-sounding business names (or just initials) for packages to be sent to. The big companies also keep databases of which areas/neighborhoods/streets can be shipped to, and which will have packages disappear.

Thieves should be shot.

[OKgetdown]

Some ass probably looked down at the shipping address and saw Glock Inc. and thought "SCORE".

[filthy infidel]

I posted this before in another forum. I had sent an HS-2000 pistol to Springfield for warranty work (this is the pistol that became the XD). They shipped it back to MY FRONT DOOR. I lived in a condo at the time, and it was just sitting on the front stoop for all to steal. I'm not an FFL either.

[oldgraygeek]

Great... FedEx has my $1400 widescreen laptop right now, returning it to HP for warranty repair.
Oh, well: if they steal it on this leg of the trip, it's broken and has none of my data on it!

[lens]

Unless something has been updated radically over the past 15 years, NCIC really sucks for trying to check for stolen property.

If you run it, you plug in the S/N and EVERY gun ever stolen with that S/N turns up. Then you have to ferret thru a long list to try to find the BRAND and then the MODEL to see if you really have a match.

Thus, it's usually not used for anything "pro-actively".

CSI may make things sound easy and useful, reality is that most crime computer systems in use today were designed back in the 1970s (or earlier) and not updated for ease of use.

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I would also report it to BATFE, just in case there is a trend that you and I may not be aware of here. It could trip an investigation of the shipper and end a gun theft ring. [If you hold any level of FFL, even a C&R FFL as I read it, you are REQUIRED to notify BATFE by phone and form within xy hours of any theft/loss, even if the gun isn't C&R. I consider this a "good thing" as it lights a fire under FedEx/UPS' ass to control their losses of guns.]

[NYC Drew]

Fed-Ex has to clearly mark and label every package as containing a firearm. ...


Uhhh....wrong.


'Drew

[BlackOD]

One of the reasons I like Glocks is that you almost never need to send them back to Glock or anywhere else. So far I've only sent a slide off to be refinished.

What did it cost to refinish? I'm assuming it was a factory refinish.

[NYC Drew]

What did it cost to refinish? I'm assuming it was a factory refinish.


$52. Slide and barrel, return shipping included.

http://cgwgun.com/centacglock.aspx



'Drew

[AZ Jeff]

Fed-Ex has to clearly mark and label every package as containing a firearm.

I hate to say this, but that's incorrect information. It's AGAINST THE LAW for the "common carrier" (shipper such as Fedex) to mark the outside of packages with anything to indicate the contents are a firearm.

This is also why it's HIGHLY recommended that when you ship a firearm to a manufacturer or dealer, you DO NOT put the full name of the company on the shipping label. (For example, sending to Browing Arms Company, one marks the box "B.A. Company".)

You need to do some reading up on the rules related to shipping firearms.

[thefatsoundguy]

I posted this before in another forum. I had sent an HS-2000 pistol to Springfield for warranty work (this is the pistol that became the XD). They shipped it back to MY FRONT DOOR. I lived in a condo at the time, and it was just sitting on the front stoop for all to steal. I'm not an FFL either.

It's legal (per GCA 1968) to send and recieve a firearm via common carrier to and from a gunsmith or manufacturer without an FFL. As to leaving it on your front step, that's a problem with the delivery driver. I had a laptop delivered by FedEx and it was just dropped off on a rainy day without a plastic bag, EVEN THOUGH THE LABEL CLEARLY REQUIRED AN ADULT SIGNATURE! It frightens me to think where they're finding delivery drivers these days. :worried:

[Magicmanmb]

Make sure that the weapon is reported stolen to Law Enforcement, not just to Fedex.

It's in NCIC. Fed-ex manager, made me open it to make sure it was dissasembled retaped it and weighed and charged my co account. Told me it had to be addressed to the full company name, Glock, Inc. tried G.I. Inc. made me put a new label with the full name on it I asked for air shipping was told by the station manager that it couldn't go air had to go ground because it was a weapon. I've always had to next day them, he said the regs had changed. Called the 800 # and one person said yes had to go ground another said air only. Paid for extra insurance.

Hope they fire it and it goes KB in there face.

[Magicmanmb]

It's legal (per GCA 1968) to send and recieve a firearm via common carrier to and from a gunsmith or manufacturer without an FFL. As to leaving it on your front step, that's a problem with the delivery driver. I had a laptop delivered by FedEx and it was just dropped off on a rainy day without a plastic bag, EVEN THOUGH THE LABEL CLEARLY REQUIRED AN ADULT SIGNATURE! It frightens me to think where they're finding delivery drivers these days. :worried:


DHL left mine with a neighbor 2 streets down lucky we knew them.

My brother has worked for fed-ex 30 years he's retiring this year can't stand it any longer. If you have a CDL w/hazmat endorsement, your hired.

[the iceman]

Told me it had to be addressed to the full company name, Glock, Inc. tried G.I. Inc. made me put a new label with the full name on it.

That's freakin retarted!! He's probably the one who either took it or arranged for it to be taken!

I swear nothing but low life’s work for those places!!

(no offense to anyone, just my opinion based from my experiences with them)

[ISUSteve]

They left a blackpowder rifle right outside my front door one time.

[vafish]

I posted this before in another forum. I had sent an HS-2000 pistol to Springfield for warranty work (this is the pistol that became the XD). They shipped it back to MY FRONT DOOR. I lived in a condo at the time, and it was just sitting on the front stoop for all to steal. I'm not an FFL either.

Depending upon your state laws that was perfectly legal. No need for it to go back to an FFL if you sent it for repair.

[Magicmanmb]

That's freakin retarted!! He's probably the one who either took it or arranged for it to be taken!

I swear nothing but low life’s work for those places!!

(no offense to anyone, just my opinion based from my experiences with them)


It made it from Myrtle Beach to Florence, SC then vanished.

045726010026702

Thats the tracking # if anyone wants to see where it stopped. They told me sometimes they forget to scan them when they drop them off at Glock. Double checked with Glock just to make sure they have not received it. If we had an armorer around here I would have had them do the work. According to Fed-ex the county police ship them back all the time with them.

[Magicmanmb]

At least my letter carrier will set a box that's to large inside my storage shed since the only thing in it is pool toys and assorted junk and put a note on my door.

[2crow]

This stinks! Good Luck man.

This chaps my backside.:steamed:

[NYC Drew]

Good luck, and for your own peace of mind I hope it turns up.


I once shipped a slide Fed Ex Ground (completely legal) to another fellow in NY state.

It took THREE WEEKS (and about 12 phone calls from an irate NYC Drew) to traverse those 248 miles.

'Drew

[the iceman]

It made it from Myrtle Beach to Florence, SC then vanished.

045726010026702

Thats the tracking # if anyone wants to see where it stopped. They told me sometimes they forget to scan them when they drop them of at Glock. Double checked with Glock just to make sure they have not received it. If we had an armorer around here I would have had them do the work. According to Fed-ex the county police ship them back all the time with them.

Damn!! I just checked it out for myself and that was mailed 2 weeks ago!!!!!

I would think if Glock doesn't have it by now, it's probably been taken!

[the iceman]

I just learned a valuable lesson...

If I ever have to ship a gun to Glock, even though more expensive, I will go through an FFL!

[BamaTrooper]

That and if the weapon is located, you stand a good chance of it being returned to you unless it has been used in some crime.

If insurance pays, insurance owns it. He may be able to buy it back.

[Butch]

I posted this before in another forum. I had sent an HS-2000 pistol to Springfield for warranty work (this is the pistol that became the XD). They shipped it back to MY FRONT DOOR. I lived in a condo at the time, and it was just sitting on the front stoop for all to steal. I'm not an FFL either.
It's perfectly legal for the manufacturer to return ship directly to the owner that sent them the gun.....at least in most states.....the problem in this instance is that they should have been required to deliver to *a person* at the delivery address and get a signature so there would be someone responsible to go after should the package disappear.



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[Magicmanmb]

I just learned a valuable lesson...

If I ever have to ship a gun to Glock, even though more expensive, I will go through an FFL!


Going through an FFL still wouldn't have guaranteed some thief wouldn't have grabbed it. We kept getting mail that was torn open in the same spot, B'day cards for my 10 y/o people were sending him $10 bills and they never arrived. They found a postal employee was stealing them and credit cards and the like from our local office.

[Magicmanmb]

If insurance pays, insurance owns it. He may be able to buy it back.


If they pay off on it they can try and explain to the police how they came to be in posession of a stolen firearm, let Fed-Ex lawyers deal with it. Stealing a firearm from an interstate shipment is a big no-no. Thats how criminals get guns, stealing them not going into a store & buying them.

And people wander why no one wants to ship in the classifieds section. From what I have been told from people that work for both Fed-ex and UPS even with the scanning they lose over 100,000
packages a year most due to employee theft.

[Butch]

i hope you sent it next day air. if you did the insurance should cover your loss.

?


So what has Fed-Ex told you?



:patriot:

[Magicmanmb]

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So what has Fed-Ex told you?



:patriot:

They said they have no idea where it is and to file a claim.
Filed the insurance claim with them yesterday, called today to see if they could tell me anymore they just said it takes 5-7 business days for them to investigate. If I wasn't having back surgery in 2 weeks and could have stood the ride I would have driven it down. Basically all they will say is it got lost oops.

[WIG19]

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So what has Fed-Ex told you?



:patriot:I'd be curious to hear that too. NYCDrew and AZJeff already addressed the bogus info regarding marking of the package. There's no place on the airbill to do that and you don't mark on it as such. UPS same deal. The very reason you must send the stuff via their express or 'red-label' service (whatever it's called by each company) is so that it is never out of a person's hands laying around on a dock but continually on its way vs. a tupperware container laying around addressed to "Glock" - as Butch would say "...in law enforcement we call that a clue." (to a thief)

And have had many a gun returned to me directly to my physical address; simply requiring an adult signature. Fedex (who I don't use anymore) is on the hook; I'd like to hear what they have to say for themselves.

:patriot:

[Magicmanmb]

I'd be curious to hear that too. NYCDrew and AZJeff already addressed the bogus info regarding marking of the package. There's no place on the airbill to do that and you don't mark on it as such. UPS same deal. The very reason you must send the stuff via their express or 'red-label' service (whatever it's called by each company) is so that it is never out of a person's hands laying around on a dock but continually on its way vs. a tupperware container laying around addressed to "Glock" - as Butch would say "...in law enforcement we call that a clue." (to a thief)

And have had many a gun returned to me directly to my physical address; simply requiring an adult signature. Fedex (who I don't use anymore) is on the hook; I'd like to hear what they have to say for themselves.

:patriot:


According to them long guns can be shipped by ground but still have to have the full company name i.e. I sent back an 870 had to mark it to Remington Arms. They refused to accept otherwise. According to what my brother has told me it's up to each station manager if they will even allow you to ship through that station, and how it will be marked. The one he works at doesn't allow firearms to be shipped at all. They have to drive it 35 miles to the next closest one that will accept. Also sold my fed-ex stock today & told them why. Last time I ever purchase a gun that I don't personally work on or have a local armourer

[WIG19]

I've filled out airbills here at work and just met the guy running the route and he picked up. Their manager's personal warm/fuzzy means squat to the company. That said, I'm with you and, as said, I don't use them anymore, for anything. The only exception might be return to a manufacturer where they are picking up the dime and it's their Fedex account on it.

In my neck of the woods, 'Brown' rocks :rock: ...- Fedex, not so much. :tongueout:


:patriot:

[Beeman]

It's perfectly legal for the manufacturer to return ship directly to the owner that sent them the gun.....at least in most states.....the problem in this instance is that they should have been required to deliver to *a person* at the delivery address and get a signature so there would be someone responsible to go after should the package disappear.



:patriot:


Several years ago I had a handgun fail to come back from the factory after being shipped UPS. Called UPS, and they couldn't find it. Reported it stolen to local LE and BATF. UPS majically found the gun 3 months later at the Dayton Hub, and then left it on my mailbox all day long in the rain while I was at work. I suspect someone stole it, and then decided to bring it back due to fear of being caught.

Never once has UPS delivered a firearm to my house and deliver it to a person. They just leave them at the mailbox by a busy state highway.:steamed:

[joegunn308]

This gives you that sick feeling!!! To have anything stolen is terrible but a man's gun somehow seems worse. I haven't shipped a gun anywhere in a long time but the one time I did I used UPS. I don't remember if I had to use the full company name or not but I was told I had to inform them it was a firearm and it had to be next day air. It was returned to me the in the same manner.
I'm glad my brother is a Glock armourer so unless a frame of slide brakes I probably won't have to ship one back. I am steadily working on wearing the finish off my G30 slide but I will probably never worry about getting it refinished. I have some old Craftsman tools that the finish is warn off of and they still seem to work OK. I suspect my Glock will be the same way.
Sorry to hear you lost your gun. Hope you see it again someday!

[Timberwulf]

A Dell Laptop I ordered for a client made it to the UPS station in Plano, TX, and then never came to me for delivery. After 3 days of the tracking info showing the entry scan there, no "out for delivery" update, and still no deliveryman at my door I called UPS. They said "oops, it's gone for good. Call Dell and tell them to give you another one." :steamed:

Was a giant mess, and a very po'd client. This stuff happens more often than you think, and not just to firearms.

[eddief4]

Eddie, I have to ask, where do you work? :supergrin:

Seriously though, that is horrible. Sorry, bro

and what does that have to do with a 1st gen G17?!?!:whistling:

round here the only one i have seen is at the guns show for over$600!!!:shocked:

[Butch]

Never once has UPS delivered a firearm to my house and deliver it to a person. They just leave them at the mailbox by a busy state highway.:steamed:
Based on your use of the little red smiley I'm guessing that made you angry?

Did you call UPS and complain/raise hell? I would.

If you did, what did they say?



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[boomerzz]

If insurance pays, insurance owns it. He may be able to buy it back.

This is completely correct. But no one knows that except the insurance people and yourself.

If police find the gun, I would guess it would come back to you.


If you insured it, they will pay and they will move on, because it costs them money NOT to move on.


I once shipped a gun back to SA from my previous jobs RMA facility (Director of the facility was a gun guy, let me do it as long as we kept it quiet (we get a big discount)), it went ok. Key thing there is that one guy picks it up, and the TO address did not say Springfield Armory on it.

[lens]

S&W has sent me pre-paid FedEx shipping labels to return guns for repair. It NEVER said S&W on it . . . there is no requirement for it to say that . . . they used initials that wouldn't make sense to anyone, although everyone knows the address is S&W.

Sounds like some depot managers make up their own rules. Luckily for them, nobody's ever pulled that stuff on me the few times I've had to ship a gun.

[NIB]

You know if an FFL loses a gun, the BATF is all over them and possibly even pull the license and maybe even criminal charges.

Some cities and states if you lose a gun they can bring criminal charges on you.

Fed-Ex has lost how many thousands of guns with no repercussions other than making more money out of "next day air"????

[Magicmanmb]

I've filled out airbills here at work and just met the guy running the route and he picked up. Their manager's personal warm/fuzzy means squat to the company. That said, I'm with you and, as said, I don't use them anymore, for anything. The only exception might be return to a manufacturer where they are picking up the dime and it's their Fedex account on it.

In my neck of the woods, 'Brown' rocks :rock: ...- Fedex, not so much. :tongueout:


:patriot:


My local UPS office won't accept firearms for shipment, there managers decision. Tried them to ship a ship my Springer .45 back when I told them what it was they refused to accept for shipment unless I was an FFL & had a copy of the receivers FFL. If an FFL can ship it back to the manufacturer postal service why shouldn't we be able to.

Will update as soon as I here back anything from Fed-Ex:steamed:

[lens]

My local UPS office won't accept firearms for shipment, there managers decision. Tried them to ship a ship my Springer .45 back when I told them what it was they refused to accept for shipment unless I was an FFL & had a copy of the receivers FFL. If an FFL can ship it back to the manufacturer postal service why shouldn't we be able to.


If this is a genuine UPS (or FedEx) depot, they MUST abide by their own Tariffs! I always print out the pertinent part and bring with me to educate the ignorant if need be.

If anyone pulled this on me, they would rue the day that they woke up and went to work.

NO UPS/FedEx Tariffs, Laws or Rules require the shipper to have an FFL or even produce one for the receiver.

What you have is most likely an anti-gunner who is "making it up as he goes along".

Hint: Pick up a directory (or look it up on the Web) of a local MAJOR CITY Chamber of Commerce. Check for membership by UPS or FedEx and take note of the management person listed as the contact person. Any trouble at local depot, you make a call preferably from in front of the clown giving you grief. If you can cite the Tariff, you WILL win!

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Now, if you are trying to ship from a FedEx/Kinkos or UPS STORE, they LEGALLY can NOT accept firearms (or ammo in the case of UPS) as they aren't covered as "carriers" to possess firearms/ammo.

The best alternative is to create an online account (free and no obligation to use it), pay/print your label and hand the package to the nearest UPS/FedEx driver (must advise of contents)! I've asked an internal UPS contact and a few drivers and it appears to be perfectly Legal and OK . . . and dealers do this all the time.

[KPSquared]

I'm glad that I've never had to ship a firearm anywhere for repair. As for my 2 Glocks, I am only 30 miles from Smyrna if they need to go there.

[Magicmanmb]

If this is a genuine UPS (or FedEx) depot, they MUST abide by their own Tariffs! I always print out the pertinent part and bring with me to educate the ignorant if need be.

If anyone pulled this on me, they would rue the day that they woke up and went to work.

NO UPS/FedEx Tariffs, Laws or Rules require the shipper to have an FFL or even produce one for the receiver.

What you have is most likely an anti-gunner who is "making it up as he goes along".

Hint: Pick up a directory (or look it up on the Web) of a local MAJOR CITY Chamber of Commerce. Check for membership by UPS or FedEx and take note of the management person listed as the contact person. Any trouble at local depot, you make a call preferably from in front of the clown giving you grief. If you can cite the Tariff, you WILL win!

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Now, if you are trying to ship from a FedEx/Kinkos or UPS STORE, they LEGALLY can NOT accept firearms (or ammo in the case of UPS) as they aren't covered as "carriers" to possess firearms/ammo.

The best alternative is to create an online account (free and no obligation to use it), pay/print your label and hand the package to the nearest UPS/FedEx driver (must advise of contents)! I've asked an internal UPS contact and a few drivers and it appears to be perfectly Legal and OK . . . and dealers do this all the time.

Went straight to there hub. I told them there rules required them to accept they told me they if I didn't like it to go ship it another way. When we had a retail store they sent back about a dozen packages because they couldn't find the largest mall in SC. Distributor had to reship from Salt Lake City, because they never received it back. They tend to make up the rules as they go along here, and there bosses let them. From now on I'm doing my own work, or having the wife drive it it to Glock Doc in Fayettville 2 1/2 hours but I know it will get there. From now on if it can't go USPS priority with tracking it's not going. Until I leave the beach and get to a larger area. Thing is when you call the 800 # for these companies all they tell you is e-mail a complaint. If you get a call back they just say things like well these things happen, thats why you paid for extra insurance.

They also didn't join the local chamber or any of those close. Only corporate can authorize them to join.

[Los Suenos]

I posted this before in another forum. I had sent an HS-2000 pistol to Springfield for warranty work (this is the pistol that became the XD). They shipped it back to MY FRONT DOOR. I lived in a condo at the time, and it was just sitting on the front stoop for all to steal. I'm not an FFL either.


I had three GLOCKS from Smyrna sitting on my front door in one box before. I called GLOCK and told them what happened and next thing I know, I have a new UPS driver. The scumbag stole 1k rds. of DT too. Ends up he was a druggy and held a gun to his head in front of his two children. I worked at UPS over Christmas a couple years so I got the inside scoop on the idiot.

[rmarkob]

Fed-Ex has to clearly mark and label every package as containing a firearm. That's what contributes to this. Jewelers send their priceless jewels through the mail completely unmarked to P.O. boxes and almost never have losses this way. Makes you wonder...

That was also the policy (at least in the late '70s) for Navy small arms being sent back to a central armorer: U.S. Mail, unmarked. It was drilled into us in supply school!

[CU4X4N]

It's in NCIC. Fed-ex manager, made me open it to make sure it was dissasembled retaped it and weighed and charged my co account. Told me it had to be addressed to the full company name, Glock, Inc. tried G.I. Inc. made me put a new label with the full name on it I asked for air shipping was told by the station manager that it couldn't go air had to go ground because it was a weapon. I've always had to next day them, he said the regs had changed. Called the 800 # and one person said yes had to go ground another said air only. Paid for extra insurance.

Hope they fire it and it goes KB in there face.


I would go back and raise hell!

This is directly from FedEx's website:

Firearms

A. FedEx Express will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
1. Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
2. Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).

B If your shipment contains firearms, select the Direct Signature Required or Adult Signature Required Delivery Signature Option, depending on the requirements of your shipment. See the Delivery Signature Options section for details. Firearms shipments are not eligible for signature release or indirect delivery.

C. Firearms must be shipped via FedEx Priority Overnight service. FedEx Express cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D. Firearms shipments cannot be placed in a FedEx Express Drop Box.

D. Upon presenting the package for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to FedEx Express is required to notify FedEx Express that the package contains a firearm. The outside of the package must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package contains a firearm.
E. The shipper and recipient must be of legal age as identified by applicable law.

F. The shipper and recipient are required to comply with all applicable government regulations and laws, including those pertaining to labeling. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives can provide assistance.

G. FedEx Express will transport ammunition when packed and labeled in compliance with local, state and federal law, and the Dangerous Goods section of this Service Guide. Ammunition is an explosive and must be shipped separately as dangerous goods. You agree not to ship loaded firearms or firearms with ammunition in the same package.

[XMM]

........

[lens]

To have a complaint like this "heard" and dealt with appropriately, start here:

UPS:

UPS Chairman and CEO Scott Davis
UPS Corporate Headquarters
55 Glenlake Parkway, NE
Atlanta , GA 30328
Public Relations # might get you to right person - 404-828-7123


FedEx:

Frederick W. Smith, Chairman, President and CEO
FedEx Corporation
942 South Shady Grove Road
Memphis, TN 38120
901.369.3600

You'd be surprised how fast these kind of "attitude problems" can be solved when the folks at the top hear about them. BTDT and it works!

[Magicmanmb]

Will update everyone once I hear back from fed-ex. Let them argue with ATF about it. Someone in there Florence, SC office had to have stolen it since that's the last place it was scanned. They said 5-7 business days for a claim so I'll give them from 7 business days from the 22nd to come up with a pistol or a check. Works out to 1/31/08. After that I'll see them in court. Main reason Glock wanted it returned was because of a known KB issue with the s/n range. Whoever got it, hope they get a box of +P+ and have a good time. Shouldn't be to hard to figure out the thief he'll be the one missing a finger with a bunch of plastic shards in his face.

[CU4X4N]

Will update everyone once I hear back from fed-ex. Let them argue with ATF about it. Someone in there Florence, SC office had to have stolen it since that's the last place it was scanned. They said 5-7 business days for a claim so I'll give them from 7 business days from the 22nd to come up with a pistol or a check. Works out to 1/31/08. After that I'll see them in court.


I hope everything works out and they find your pistol (or at least replace it)!

Good luck!

[dhoomonyou]

does not give me the warm fuzzy feeling.
I'm sending a pistol back to S & W via UPS.

[scottp999]

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[Bren]

My local UPS office won't accept firearms for shipment, there managers decision.
heck, my local UPS store won't accept a pair of wood grips or a stock for shipping - I have to take it to Fed Ex or to the UPS Customer counter 30 miles away.

[NYC Drew]

Bren,

I expected different for Kentucky!

If I brought a gun to my (downstate) UPS facility that serves my NON NYC address - (it's in on the Bronx/Westchester border. The major portion of the facility's physical structure is physically in Westchester County. The actual ROAD (frontage) is in the Bronx.

...so, if I brought handgun there, the odds of the police being called are pretty damn close to 1:1

If I take it to another facility 20 miles north, there is going to be a lot of head scratching and phone calls.

If I take it to the facilities close to where I live (50+ miles north of my office and old haunts), they ask, "what'ya got this time, another Glock???" :)


'Drew

[Jim Watson]

Sorry to hear that. The FedEx agent here has always treated me better than UPS or USPS.

I have made it a condition of sale that if I want to send a gun for modification or repair, the store will handle it. They have a daily business address pickup and can do it for about half what the nice lady at FedEx charges me.

Would not have protected against theft by a shipper's employee, though.
There was a case on the SASS Wire recently about the box with three revolvers that just magically turned up when a company detective visited the terminal.

[army_eod]

They made a big bust back in NYC about two years ago...a UPS or FedEx driver (don't remember which) was taking guns destined for West Side Shooting Range in Manhattan and taking them home and sellling them on the street instead of delivering them...did some investigation as to who was the driver when certain guns got stolen and ATF followed him home for a while and caught him in the act of selling 'em...

99.9% of guns missing off the UPS/FedEx trucks are probably taken by the driver or "left" on the rear of truck for a friend to conveniently walk away with...

So riddle me this. I guess you have to declare that it is a firearm that you are shipping with UPS or FEDEX. BTW, that is THIER rule, not any law.

So yes, the reason they insist on overnite air is because of theft, mostly by their employees. So, if you do not declare that there is a firearm, then how would employees know? And how would they steal?

[alank2]

Hi,

I think DHL prohibits all firearms from what I recall, are you sure they allow them?

Thanks,

Alan

[scottp999]

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[allcd88]

Hi,

I think DHL prohibits all firearms from what I recall, are you sure they allow them?

Thanks,

Alan


I would not send a pillow through DHL because they would find a way to damage it. Yes, I am speaking from experience.

[NYC Drew]

I would not send a pillow through DHL because they would find a way to damage it. Yes, I am speaking from experience.

On average, I get 5-12 boxes a week from DHL, mostly shipped from DELL.

I find that since DHL is handling LESS volume than the other two, my boxes


- show up on time
- show up intact.

I had a thread up here somewhere, about having to use "the force" on a Natchezss rep. They shipped me some ammo UPS, it was damaged BEFORE it got to my hub here in NY, rerouted back to TN.

Natchezss was trying to convince me that I'd have to wait the 30+ days while UPS reimbursed them. No, don't think so. Ammo was at my door a few days later, also banged up.

[LashLaRue2]

Fed-Ex has to clearly mark and label every package as containing a firearm. That's what contributes to this. Jewelers send their priceless jewels through the mail completely unmarked to P.O. boxes and almost never have losses this way. Makes you wonder...

No they don't. Go to their web page and look it up. It clearly states it can have no markings that there is a firearm inside.

[EAJuggalo]

When I had to ship my G31 back to Smyrna in November it went UPS from one of their hubs. In the space to list what the package contains I put G31 and the serial number. Glock specifically instructed me to ship it to G.I. and not Glock Inc. No questions asked and no lies told. I tried to send FedEx but they told me that I couldn't send the non functioning gun, but I could put something else on the label and they would ship it.

[Roboglock]

Yes I've found FedEx to be terribly shiesty. I had a lawsuit with them a few years back about some cargo that mysteriously got ripped open and damaged, this was after personally making sure the packaging was practically indestructable. Luckily I photo-documented the whole packaging and shipping process and 6 months later received a check from FedEx for $1400. Bastards! I wouldn't doubt that something shady went on with you package.

[army_eod]

DHL:

PROHIBITED COMMODITIES

Firearms (Parts†thereof†including†paintball, pellet†guns, air†rifles, etc.)
[Except for Domestic exceptions listed below under restricted commodities]

Exceptions:

Firearms
(Parts thereof including paintball, pellet guns, air rifles, etc.).
Domestic (USA) transportation only from and to licensed dealers.
Domestic firearms must be rendered mechanically not fireable.
Not permitted to be sent outside the U.S.

From: http://www.dhl-usa.com/resources/Prohibited_Restricted_Commodities.pdf

It says to and from licensed dealers, so I guess you would need your local dealer to ship it to glock to fall within their rules.

From their terms and conditions:

4. Inspection
DHL has the right to open and inspect a Shipment without prior notice to Shipper.

Dang..you are correct. I have not read the rules on the web site. I just read what they have in the Office Max shipping area.

Well, the shippers all suck. Gotta pay $65.00 now for FEDEX to ship a gun.
Is this a backdoor form of gun control.
Maybe we ought to start a company to ship firearms cheaper.

[Dresden]

I hate Fed-Ex...

My driveway is about 300 yards long. At the front there is a house that was just moved there for my Brother-in-Law to use. This thing doesn't even have steps or utilities hooked up yet.

I check my tracking on about $600 worth of computer equipment and it says "Delivered - Left on Back Porch".

WTF?!? I don't even HAVE a back porch. I hop into my truck and start driving. There it is...at the clearly unoccupied house exposed to the elements. This driver had delivered to me several times before.

This was my last experience with Fed-Ex.

[BamaTrooper]

descriptions I use when sending guns UPS, etc...:
Machined parts
precision hole punch
molded plastic frame with accompanying slide and fittings
ballistic projectile applicator
misc metal and plastic parts

[unlearned69]

delete.

[Magicmanmb]

Just had 1,000 rounds of 9mm arrive today by UPS they let my 10 y/o sign for it. They didn't ask for an adult even though it was clearly marked had to have adult signature.

[glock-block]

For people that need to ship out why not just pack and ship your own stuff. Create an account at ups. com print the label out drop it off at a ups pick up or give it to a driver and your done none of this bs, plus its probably cheaper. ive had too many bad experiences with fed-ex I would never ship trough them even receiving is a pain. sorry :offtopic:

[Carnivore]

I guess everyone hasn't heard that DHL (USA part anyway) is being purchased by FedEx. Three choices now become two.

BTW, I'm a long time lurker and owner of three Glocks. Hello Everyone.

[2crow]

Hey Carnivore. Welcome.

[Magicmanmb]

For people that need to ship out why not just pack and ship your own stuff. Create an account at ups. com print the label out drop it off at a ups pick up or give it to a driver and your done none of this bs, plus its probably cheaper. ive had too many bad experiences with fed-ex I would never ship trough them even receiving is a pain. sorry :offtopic:

Have business accounts with both. Don't trust the drivers either they both tend to leave packages wherever the hell they feel like.

[SIGShooter]

I have shipped probably about 10 firearms through Fed-Ex. 9 handguns and 1 rifle.


I've declared every firearm I have ever shipped. Insured them for what they are worth. Never had a single one stolen.


What you need to do is find the "main" hub for your area. Call them. They have a special Jedi power that they do. They can find the last person that touched the box. No BS. You can ask them to start an internal investigation and they have to answer you within 24 hours. Try it out. It just may work for you.

[JoeSnuffy]

When I had to ship my G31 back to Smyrna in November it went UPS from one of their hubs. In the space to list what the package contains I put G31 and the serial number. Glock specifically instructed me to ship it to G.I. and not Glock Inc. No questions asked and no lies told. I tried to send FedEx but they told me that I couldn't send the non functioning gun, but I could put something else on the label and they would ship it.

Don't know if it's been mentioned ..but putting something else on the label
other than the true contents might make it more difficult to collect on the
insurance if the contents do get stolen...?

[armed]

What you need to do is find the "main" hub for your area. Call them. They have a special Jedi power that they do. They can find the last person that touched the box. No BS. You can ask them to start an internal investigation and they have to answer you within 24 hours. Try it out. It just may work for you.


This is total BS.

[glide]

I have a good relationship with the local FedEx and UPS reps. I have my contact info on file with them and anytime I have something for delivery, it is held automatically at their office. I then get a friendly reminder to pick it up at the local office. In fact this past week I got a pistol shipped back to me from the manufactuer and I picked it up a couple days ago. Sweet!

[TheFinalizer]

So riddle me this. I guess you have to declare that it is a firearm that you are shipping with UPS or FEDEX. BTW, that is THIER rule, not any law.


Actually it is federal law.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b8

Edited to add:

Specifically, this law.

U.S.C. T. 18 §922(e)

(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.


Not declaring that a package contains a firearm is a federal felony. So, for that matter, is marking the package to indicate that it contains a firearm.

[denfoote]

Also sold my fed-ex stock today & told them why.

Actually, that may have not been the smart thing to do. As a stockholder, you had the power to (insert name for female dog) up a storm at stockholder's meetings!! Your votes also had the power to effect policy changes by voting in board members!! I would have purchased an s-load of the stock and became the perennial P.I.A. at the meetings!!

[Jailer252]

Tagged..

[Oneiros]

Always over insure... I bought a computer on ebay for 700 that was worth about 2k, guess what, United Parcel Smashers destroyed it on the way here, and do you think I was able to find a computer that good for 700 again? Yeah right. From now on I insure things for how much it'll cost to replace them, not how much I paid for them. Hard lesson learned.

If I was insuring a glock whatever, I'd insure it for how much it cost me to go to my local gunstore and purchase it, and that's usually 550-600 bucks. Even if it was a generation 1, or maybe even specifically because it was a generation 1, and those are hard to find.

[Jim Watson]

to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors

This is the part of the LAW that the feds conveniently leave out of their FAQ and the CFR. By the letter of the law you do not have to notify the carrier if you are shipping a gun to a FFL holder. And the only time you would legally be shipping to "persons other than..." would be if it were in-state.

Now I don't know if the bureaucratic rewrite of the law in the FAQ and more importantly in the CFR means it carries the force of law. I don't want to pay a lawyer to argue the point in court, so I knuckle under to oppression and pay the ransom to ship a gun. But the law was not written as restrictive as it is being applied.

[NYC Drew]

Edit,

Jim, you beat me to it, but it's not excluded, it's right there where "The Finalizer" quoted it.

Actually it is federal law.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b8

Edited to add:

Specifically, this law.


Not declaring that a package contains a firearm is a federal felony. So, for that matter, is marking the package to indicate that it contains a firearm.


You are as wrong as rain sir.

The ONLY time you are required, by LAW to declare the contents of a package as being a firearm is when you are shipping to


1. Your self
2. someone who is not the mfgr, a FFL a licensed gunsmith, a C&R FFL, etc.

Here is that part of the law (which you posted, but neglected to read or interpret) in bold...

It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors,




BY LAW, :) you don't even have to declare the gun if you are not lawfully allowed to possess it, and you are shipping it to your drug dealer buddies, since the Supreme Court has ruled that one is not compelled to provide incriminating statements against themselves.

Convoluted? Yes. Just remember the part in purple, follow it based on how much you paid me for that advise.

'Drew

[Colubrid]

i hope you sent it next day air. if you did the insurance should cover your loss.

You mean if you don't send it next day air but take out insurance they will not cover the loss?

[TheFinalizer]

This is the part of the LAW that the feds conveniently leave out of their FAQ and the CFR. By the letter of the law you do not have to notify the carrier if you are shipping a gun to a FFL holder. And the only time you would legally be shipping to "persons other than..." would be if it were in-state.


Yep, you and Drew are absolutely right. It was late, and after reading the FAQ (which told me what I *thought* I already knew) I didn't re-read the law carefully enough. :whistling:

[Jim Watson]

Well, we are right in quoting the law versus the FAQ/CFR, but that does not mean that the BATF could not use their effectively unlimited power to harass you. Or that the shipper could not use it to deny or greatly delay insurance coverage in the event of one of their employees stealing or losing your gun. Case of "don't fight city hall," I fear.

[paul1973]

Found a Gen 1 G17 on the 8th sent it back to be redone at the factory and guess what?

It won't be coming back. Never arrived in GA. Sent it out Fed-Ex. they scanned it when they took it in it made it 70 miles to Florence, SC and hasn't been heard from since. I filed a claim with Fed-Ex, see if they will pay off on it insured for full value.

If anyone runs across a Gen1 G17 serial # PP033 w/night sights and NYPD box with 5lb trigger, LMK. So far this has started out as a crap year first the M53 stolen and recovered now this.Thats crazy, arent you the guy who prints up those silly forms for people to sign when they sell a gun face to face? And you end up getting a gun stolen..how ironic.

[bhp9mm]

a 1st gen that really sucks someone at fed-ex needs their ass kicked hope u get it back and the person gets put wear the need to be jail not working no wear good luck

[bhp9mm]

a 1st gen that really sucks someone at fed-ex needs their ass kicked hope u get it back and the person gets put wear the need to be jail not working no wear good luck

[bhp9mm]

a 1st gen that really sucks someone at fed-ex needs their ass kicked hope u get it back and the person gets put wear the need to be jail not working no wear good luck

[CU4X4N]

Wow, triple post!

Little jittery tonight bhp9mm?

[Nalapombu]

Can I ask a simple question about shipping firearms? What prohibits you from field stripping the pistol and then shipping it in 2 different boxes? All it is then is firearm parts, correct? A buddy of mine went to Florida to spend a couple of months with his family and he wanted to take his carry gun as well as his Ruger 22 Target pistol. We talked about shipping them vs. him declaring them on the plane and after talking to a buddy of ours that is a UPS driver he made the decision to take 2 boxes, field strip both pistols, put the frames in one box and the slide assemblies in the other and head to the local FEDEx office and ship them to his sisters place with his name on them. He shipped them via ground, fully insured and they arrived in a couple of days with no problems at all. He done the exact same thing on his trip back home with the same results. It did save him money on the shipping costs. As far as I can tell he didn't break any rules or laws, he was just shipping firearm parts not a firearm.
Just a thought.

Nala

[NYC Drew]

Can I ask a simple question about shipping firearms? What prohibits you from field stripping the pistol and then shipping it in 2 different boxes? All it is then is firearm parts, correct? A buddy of mine went to Florida to spend a couple of months with his family and he wanted to take his carry gun as well as his Ruger 22 Target pistol. We talked about shipping them vs. him declaring them on the plane and after talking to a buddy of ours that is a UPS driver he made the decision to take 2 boxes, field strip both pistols, put the frames in one box and the slide assemblies in the other and head to the local FEDEx office and ship them to his sisters place with his name on them. He shipped them via ground, fully insured and they arrived in a couple of days with no problems at all. He done the exact same thing on his trip back home with the same results. It did save him money on the shipping costs. As far as I can tell he didn't break any rules or laws, he was just shipping firearm parts not a firearm.
Just a thought.

Nala

I see you have not read this entire thread, as this is the method I prescribe (in this thread) on shipping firearm.

The exception is, the frame is still considered the gun, so it must always be shipped per the regulations of the carrier and the law.

If your ground package was lost containing a frame, you would have zero claim on being reimbursed.


'Drew

[lens]

Not to rain on your parade, but from that S/N it should not be a Gen 1 gun.

If anyone runs across a Gen1 G17 serial # PP033 w/night sights and NYPD box with 5lb trigger,

My Wife's G17 is S/N FYxxx and is a Gen 2. It was a PD "spare" that never made it outside the armory while in possession of the PD.

From the S/N Research Project:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=412093

PD - G-17L - June 1990 - 2nd Gen. - no serial plate on grip
PE - G-22 - August 1990
PJ - G-17R - Unknown - 3rd Gen. - red training
PJ - G-22P - January 2006 vintage - 3rd Gen. - red training
PN - G-19 - October 1990 - 2nd Gen. - Boston PD
PT - G-17 - September 1990 - 2nd Gen.
PU - G-17 - October 1990


This would also place your stolen gun as a Gen 2.

A lost gun is a tragedy, but at least a lost Gen 2 is easily replaceable as most used G17s are Gen 2 guns.

[SIGShooter]

This is total BS.



Really? I'm impressed that you know what I have done with Fed-Ex. Bravo! You know, just go ahead and forget what I posted.


For the OP...


Armed has all the answers for you.

[Magicmanmb]

I have shipped probably about 10 firearms through Fed-Ex. 9 handguns and 1 rifle.


I've declared every firearm I have ever shipped. Insured them for what they are worth. Never had a single one stolen.


What you need to do is find the "main" hub for your area. Call them. They have a special Jedi power that they do. They can find the last person that touched the box. No BS. You can ask them to start an internal investigation and they have to answer you within 24 hours. Try it out. It just may work for you.


Manager at our main office is the one that checked the pistol to make sure it was unassembled and then retaped it. Also the one that had me write out the label to Glock, Inc. There internal security people along with ATF have been notified. Only thing they can tell me is it was last scanned in Florence, SC on 1/9/08 after that it vanished.

[Magicmanmb]

Thats crazy, arent you the guy who prints up those silly forms for people to sign when they sell a gun face to face? And you end up getting a gun stolen..how ironic.


If I didn't have one of those Silly Forms I couldn't prove I bought the pistol from someone. In order to file insurance you have to provide proof that you bought it. BTW look how many people are asking about bill of sale in threads these days.

[SIGShooter]

That's kind of weird that the manager opened your box to check if it was disassembled. I've never had to do that. Of course every place is different.


Well, you're off to a semi good start. Good luck. I'm really sorry about this.


Make sure you stay on top of Fed-Ex. Don't let them just give you "We're working on it." Make sure you press it. Talk to the "Head" of the internal security. Request that you be kept informed of any changes. Preferably do this by email so you can have records.

[Magicmanmb]

Not to rain on your parade, but from that S/N it should not be a Gen 1 gun.



My Wife's G17 is S/N FYxxx and is a Gen 2. It was a PD "spare" that never made it outside the armory while in possession of the PD.

From the S/N Research Project:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=412093



This would also place your stolen gun as a Gen 2.

A lost gun is a tragedy, but at least a lost Gen 2 is easily replaceable as most used G17s are Gen 2 guns.

Glock dated the gun as 1st gen 1986 mfg. as there was no US at the end of the s/n and all the internals were black. Just going by there system. Was sold to NYPD as part of the first purchase of Glocks. Factory 5lb connector w/factory night sights s/n also carved on the mags, by whoever it was issued to.

[lens]

Glock dated the gun as 1st gen 1986 mfg. as there was no US at the end of the s/n and all the internals were black. Just going by there system. Was sold to NYPD as part of the first purchase of Glocks. Factory 5lb connector w/factory night sights s/n also carved on the mags, by whoever it was issued to.

OK, gotcha.

They do special (out of sequence) S/Ns for large purchasers, so this makes sense. Probably "PP" stands for <one> Police Plaza (address of NYPD HQ).

Good luck and keep FedEx's feet to the fire.

[armed]

Really? I'm impressed that you know what I have done with Fed-Ex. Bravo! You know, just go ahead and forget what I posted.


For the OP...


Armed has all the answers for you.


Sorry, but the BS call was legit.

I am a UPSer and my dad and brother are FedExers, and there are no magical "Jedi" gadgets that tell who touched a box last. They MAY be able to figure who put the last scan on it, but if someone at FedEx told you they had technology that enabled them to find out who TOUCHED it last, they were feeding you a line of BS and you took it hook, line, and sinker. And I doubt they "have" to answer anybody in 24 hours. Their Loss Prevention will take 24 hours to decide who has to start an investigation, if they decide to do one.
No one should assume that a missing package is always a STOLEN package. Fed and UPS lose packages all the time. It's inevitable when they handle millions of packages a day.

[ISUSteve]

Sorry, but the BS call was legit.

I am a UPSer and my dad and brother are FedExers, and there are no magical "Jedi" gadgets that tell who touched a box last. They MAY be able to figure who put the last scan on it, but if someone at FedEx told you they had technology that enabled them to find out who TOUCHED it last, they were feeding you a line of BS and you took it hook, line, and sinker. And I doubt they "have" to answer anybody in 24 hours. Their Loss Prevention will take 24 hours to decide who has to start an investigation, if they decide to do one.
No one should assume that a missing package is always a STOLEN package. Fed and UPS lose packages all the time. It's inevitable when they handle millions of packages a day.

Dude, the Jedi Way is real. You just have to believe. FexEX does.

[armed]

Dude, the Jedi Way is real. You just have to believe. FexEX does.


That's it! FedEx called Yoda and he used the force:





"Mmmm. Purple/orange storm trooper your Glock took. Get it back you won't."

[galilstorm]

Sorry to hear that.

BTW, what does it say on their web site when your enter the tracking # on their web site, I've always wondered what they write there.

P/S don't post any personal info, if you can, just what it says... Lost? MIA? Sticky Finger FedEx Employee...

[SIGShooter]

Sorry, but the BS call was legit.

I am a UPSer and my dad and brother are FedExers, and there are no magical "Jedi" gadgets that tell who touched a box last. They MAY be able to figure who put the last scan on it, but if someone at FedEx told you they had technology that enabled them to find out who TOUCHED it last, they were feeding you a line of BS and you took it hook, line, and sinker. And I doubt they "have" to answer anybody in 24 hours. Their Loss Prevention will take 24 hours to decide who has to start an investigation, if they decide to do one.
No one should assume that a missing package is always a STOLEN package. Fed and UPS lose packages all the time. It's inevitable when they handle millions of packages a day.


Pardon me, I apologize for using humor in my response. I'll try not to do that again. Again, you're absolutely right. You know me better then I know me. Like I said, you have all the answers for the OP.

For the OP, if you need any more help, just PM me.

Of course, armed knows what others don't. He/She may be a good help. Especially seeing as how he's a UPSer.

[G17Kid]

Let me get this straight, a manager, opened your box saw that there was a Glock in it, they accepted responsibility, you put insurance on it. And now you have to prove that you bought it, where is their responsibility ?

It makes no sense they're giving you the runaround,


Gkid17

[Magicmanmb]

Sorry, but the BS call was legit.

I am a UPSer and my dad and brother are FedExers, and there are no magical "Jedi" gadgets that tell who touched a box last. They MAY be able to figure who put the last scan on it, but if someone at FedEx told you they had technology that enabled them to find out who TOUCHED it last, they were feeding you a line of BS and you took it hook, line, and sinker. And I doubt they "have" to answer anybody in 24 hours. Their Loss Prevention will take 24 hours to decide who has to start an investigation, if they decide to do one.
No one should assume that a missing package is always a STOLEN package. Fed and UPS lose packages all the time. It's inevitable when they handle millions of packages a day.


My brother works for Fed-ex also, all they can tell is last scan. When I called the Fed-Ex 800 #, the customer service rep is the one who said stolen since no scan in over 10 days. All I want is the pistol, assuming it does not have a body on it now, or the amount it was insured for. Spoke with them this am & all they would say it is under review, case pending. If there is some magical Jedi force someone needs to tell Fed-Ex, UPS, & USPS about it, I supposedly had a package delivered yesterday by USPS but it's no where to be found, scanned into there system but never made it to my house. Also checking the last order I received from Quill it's here & paid for but the Fed-Ex guy never scanned it as delivered. Quill called me yesterday and wanted to know why I paid for something I had not received, told them not only was it received but was getting ready to reorder but only if they would ship using a brown truck. Most likely they won't investigate unless ATF pushes them for it, easier cheaper for them if they don't then they would have to admit that an employee or contractor was a criminal & open them up for lots of liability suits.

[dhoomonyou]

Call the office of the fedex president, fred smith 901 818 7500.
you wont get him but you will get somone in EXECUTIVE customer service, state your case, IM SURE someone will call you back real soon.

remember SPIT rolls downhill.

[Magicmanmb]

Sorry to hear that.

BTW, what does it say on their web site when your enter the tracking # on their web site, I've always wondered what they write there.

P/S don't post any personal info, if you can, just what it says... Lost? MIA? Sticky Finger FedEx Employee...


It just gives date, time and location of last scan of bar code and status like in transit, out for delivery. Currently just shows left Florence, SC 1/9/08 in the evening.

[Magicmanmb]

Let me get this straight, a manager, opened your box saw that there was a Glock in it, they accepted responsibility, you put insurance on it. And now you have to prove that you bought it, where is their responsibility ?

It makes no sense they're giving you the runaround,


Gkid17


Have to prove what the value of it is or was before they touched it, also had to prove I shipped it with them. Also for those that said they just hand it to the driver if they have an account, my regular driver told me unless they were picking it up from a dealer I had to take it to the office.

[Magicmanmb]

My Dr.s office just called I will be having spinal fusion Tuesday am so I will be down for a while. Will post a responses to anything from Fed-Ex as soon as I'm able to move around again.

[lens]

Good luck on the operation!

[2crow]

Hang in there Magicmanmd.


Wayne

[armed]

Good luck with your surgery.

[galilstorm]

My Dr.s office just called I will be having spinal fusion Tuesday am so I will be down for a while. Will post a responses to anything from Fed-Ex as soon as I'm able to move around again.

No doubt your as tough as a Glock
Good Luck and Take care

[silverhawk]

I can have a 1000 rounds of .40 FMJ dropped on my doorstep with a bright orange "Requires over 21 Signature" sticker but a case of wine they make me go down and sign for?

[SARDUDE]

First off ...thoughts and prayers for successful surgery.
Secondly, I unfortunately had a very similar experience with FedEx. Mine did end with a good note.
I purchased a Dan Wesson 1911 off of GunsAmerica, paid and the seller sent it via FX. I tracked it from Iowa to my state and it disappeared at the main NM hub. Waited about ten days with numerous unfulfilling calls to FX customer service. Finally filled out the paperwork for lost or stolen to be refunded, though I really wanted that pistol. After about 3 weeks I got a call from a supervisor at my local hub. The box had been found and was undamaged and un opened. They claim it had fallen beside a conveyor system. It was a thin box, so I guess it could have happened. I do think that a responsible company would do regular checks for things such as that.
Anyways! I did receive my pistol, it was undamaged, and I decided to use other means of shipping. It is my hope that yours will show up in some similar fashion!:dunno:

[ISUSteve]

How'd the surgery go and any more word on from Fedex?

[Magicmanmb]

Survived surgery. Even have a cool little card so I can go through a metal detector. DON'T ever mess up your back or neck, 10lb permanent weight limit. Fed-ex says they have completed there investigation and it never made it from Florence, SC to Charlotte, NC 2 or 2 1/2 hour drive. After getting 3 different answers from 3 customer service reps. I did have to contact the Vice president of customer service. They stated they had there internal security people go into the wherehouse and they could not find it, anywhere along the route. They said they will be issuing an insurance check within the next few days. I let everyone know when it shows up. At least they were nice enough to send my wife a corporate gift basket for the inconvience. Doesn't help though. Also the person that stated to me at the Fed-Ex location that he was the manager, actually was not. Also Paul1973 one of the things they required in order to file a claim was a signed bill of sale, between the gentlemen I purchased it from and myself. Had to prove ownership. After faxing that to the claims department they lost that also, and all had to be resent. From now on I'm not shipping anything Fed-Ex. According to there corporate office long guns and pistols between dealers & manufacturers can go ground. Everyone else has to pay next am air delivery. I'm just glad the neck surgery is over now to wait on the rest of the back. They also kept telling me that Glock might have it and it's just not entered in Glock's warrantee system. After dealing with Gaston's group for a number of years, I really doubt that there going to leave it laying around the shop without logging it in. If any one should happen to run across it at a gun show or private sale the full serial was posted at the beginning of the thread, I'd appreciate a call to your local cop shop. The gun you save may be your own. Things like this happening are how criminals are getting weapons not across the counter at your local dealer. Thanks for the support & prayers folks. If there is any further news I'll post.

[Wiskey_33]

I think Fed-Ex and USPS are about tied for being worthless. I hate shipping things, and I hate waiting to see if I'll actually get what I paid for.

[lens]

Once again, you've run into FedEx employees who like to make up their own rules.

From FedEx GROUND Tariffs, effective Jan 7, 2008
http://www.fedex.com/us/services/terms/groundtariff.html#firearms - Section 13

Firearms



A. FedEx Ground will transport and deliver firearms (excluding handguns) as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
1. Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
2. Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).

H. FedEx Ground will not accept for transport handguns, assembled or disassembled.


Just to give the complete picture, here are the FedEx Express Tariffs wrt firearms (handguns), effective Jan 7, 2008
http://www.fedex.com/us/services/terms/us.html?link=4#firearms - Section 15

A. FedEx Express will transport and deliver firearms as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:

1. Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
2. Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).

C. Firearms must be shipped via FedEx Priority Overnight service. FedEx Express cannot ship or deliver firearms C.O.D. Firearms shipments cannot be placed in a FedEx Express Drop Box.

D. Upon presenting the package for shipment, the person tendering the shipment to FedEx Express is required to notify FedEx Express that the package contains a firearm. The outside of the package must not be marked, labeled or otherwise identify that the package contains a firearm.

I ALWAYS print out a copy of these particular rules and bring with me if shipping a gun. They know less than nothing and this saves the BS of "make up rules". You will note NO requirement to show FFLs, ship FFLs in boxes, disassemble the gun, etc. [And these are THEIR RULES, NOT Laws!!]

[TuppyFinn]

A. FedEx Ground will transport and deliver firearms (excluding handguns) as defined by the United States Gun Control Act of 1968, between areas served in the U.S., but only between:
1. Licensed importers; licensed manufacturers; licensed dealers; licensed collectors; law enforcement agencies of the U.S. or any department or agency thereof; and law enforcement agencies of any state or any department, agency or political subdivisions thereof; or
2. Where not prohibited by local, state and federal law, from individuals to licensed importers, licensed manufacturers or licensed dealers (and return of same).

H. FedEx Ground will not accept for transport handguns, assembled or disassembled
The way I read this is that FedEx will not transport handguns period. Am I missing something here?

The following is from www.gunbroker.com firearms shipping guide.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.asp?FAQID=1118&NoCount=1

Shipment by Unlicensed Persons
Any shipper who does not have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be an 'unlicensed person'. This section contains information on how unlicensed persons can ship firearms. If you have an FFL, please skip to the next section for shipping suggestions.
The most important thing to know is that you must only ship guns to a licensee. If the buyer is not a licensed dealer, he will have to make arrangements with a dealer in his state to ship the item to.

Before you ship a gun, the buyer must fax or mail you a copy of the licensee's signed FFL license. You can only ship the gun to the address on the license. You must inform the carrier that the package contains a firearm. Of course, the firearm cannot be shipped loaded; ammunition may not be shipped in the same box. You should take the copy of the signed FFL with you when you take the item to be shipped in case the shipper wishes to see it.

Notes on specific shippers:

US Mail: An unlicensed person can ship a rifle or shotgun by US Mail. Unlicensed persons cannot ship a handgun by US Mail. Postal regulations allow the Post Office to open your package for inspection. Ammunition cannot be shipped by US Mail. You can search the US Post Offer Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.

FedEx: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods.

UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition. UPS does not allow shipment of firearms FROM an unlicensed person (even to an FFL), unless the stated reason for the firearm shipment is for repair or modifications.

Most other shippers will no longer accept firearm shipments. Airborne and Roadway have specifically prohibited firearm shipments.
Based on this it appears FedEx is the only option available and it may not be an option anyway.

TF

[briansp82593]

i hate fed ex sooooooooooo much.... i ordered something from tigerdirect.com on next day, took 3 weeks... and the package was beat to hell.... ups all the way, brown can deliver my packages.

[Glocks&Ducs]

[/B]
The way I read this is that FedEx will not transport handguns period. Am I missing something here?

The following is from www.gunbroker.com firearms shipping guide.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.asp?FAQID=1118&NoCount=1


Based on this it appears FedEx is the only option available and it may not be an option anyway.

TF

Yes. What you are missing, is that says FEDEX GROUND. That means you have to use FedEx non-ground services, which means overnight, or whatever they call it.

And that statement about UPS is not accurate at all. Their rules are almost identical to FedEx.

[TuppyFinn]

Yes. What you are missing, is that says FEDEX GROUND. That means you have to use FedEx non-ground services, which means overnight, or whatever they call it.

And that statement about UPS is not accurate at all. Their rules are almost identical to FedEx.

Okay, I get it. I'm glad I was wrong. I was starting to feel oppressed.

Thanks,
TF

[Fallguy173]

I just read through this thread. It scares me. I just had mine get shipped back to Smyrna.:wow: I think the people that sent it use UPS though.

[Glocks&Ducs]

I just read through this thread. It scares me. I just had mine get shipped back to Smyrna.:wow: I think the people that sent it use UPS though.

Anything you do in life holds some risk. There are probably hundreds of thousands of firearms that are shipped on a daily basis in this country alone. I don't see what the problem is with a few getting lost here and there. It is going to happen. Sometimes through theft, other times not. I'm willing to bet the number of handguns that disappear this way is quite small.

[RenegadeGlocker]

Let me get this straight, a manager, opened your box saw that there was a Glock in it, they accepted responsibility, you put insurance on it. And now you have to prove that you bought it, where is their responsibility ?

It makes no sense they're giving you the runaround,


Gkid17

Makes a lot of sense, they save millions of dollars a year not paying out claims.

I have had stuff stolen by FEDEX too, and been treated the same way. They want receipts for the stuff that was stolen. They make it so hard to file a claim, you just don't.

To add insult, they do not even refund the money you paid them to deliver the package, even though they admit it was not delivered.

[Magicmanmb]

They finally sent a check for the "depreciated" value they felt since it was being returned for warranty work it was not worth as much as it was insured for, or would cost to replace. But they did refundthe shipping charge. They felt the value in the condition it was in was $400.00. Since they never found it they have no idea of the condition. And, I don't think anyone on this board would have given me less than 5 or 550.00 after a full refurbish w/night sights. for an original NYPD 5lb trigger.

Glocks & Ducs

The figure that their customer service gave me was appx 100,000.00 lost in there system yearly, most are found but a good portion just vanish, and about 1/2 are firearms.

[GlocksterPaulie]

I feel for you, that is a bunch of BS. I guess Fed Ex knows a lot about firearms and what they are valued at these days.

Paulie

[Glocks&Ducs]

They finally sent a check for the "depreciated" value they felt since it was being returned for warranty work it was not worth as much as it was insured for, or would cost to replace. But they did refundthe shipping charge. They felt the value in the condition it was in was $400.00. Since they never found it they have no idea of the condition. And, I don't think anyone on this board would have given me less than 5 or 550.00 after a full refurbish w/night sights. for an original NYPD 5lb trigger.

Glocks & Ducs

The figure that their customer service gave me was appx 100,000.00 lost in there system yearly, most are found but a good portion just vanish, and about 1/2 are firearms.

I would force them to give me more money for it. Or better yet, make them go out and buy you the gun for the price they gave you. The fact that it was going back for warranty work has nothing to do with crap. It isn't like you are going to go out and find a gun that needs the exact same warranty work and pay less for it.

And do you really think a schmuck customer service rep knows how many firearms they lose, and find, and would honestly be at liberty to tell you what that number is? Think about it.

[EAGLESFANPHILA]

This is one reason I'm not a fan of purchasing on line. If the carriers see Glock or another firearms company, they may be tempted to steal or sell it. I'd rather purchase on site.

[Butch]

Yup, don't cash the check, take them to small claims court.

You paid their rip off 'secure over night delivery' price to insure it's NOT being stolen, and you paid for the insurance (whether it was separate or part of the shipping price), you deserve replacement value...not depreciated value.

It might cost a few bucks to file the claim, and you could loose, but if you win they can pay the filing fee too. If you're not familiar with small claims court, it's rather informal, like Judge Judy on TV, and in Minnesota attorney's aren't allowed for representation, you just talk to the judge.

Even if you loose, FedEx will end up spending more time/money on it than they would have spent to pay you what you deserve. If you win they'll loose even worse. Chances are that they'll pay you right when they get the court notice.....it's cheaper than going to court.


:patriot:

[Fallguy173]

I don't think it matters what it was worth. If you send your friend a paper airplane, and pay for $1000 worth of insurance, you should get what you paid for.

[G. Possenti]

I've sent dozens upon dozens of handguns to both Glock and Sig. I always sent them to "G.I." and most recently, "S.S.I.". I never tell the sending store what's in them. I always use a contract, store front business to do my shipping. Never had a problem.

One shipper lost a set of pistols being sent to my father. They told him, "too bad...file a claim." He filed for the insured cost of $75K. They managed to find the pistols.

[RenegadeGlocker]

I've sent dozens upon dozens of handguns to both Glock and Sig. I always sent them to "G.I." and most recently, "S.S.I.". I never tell the sending store what's in them. I always use a contract, store front business to do my shipping. Never had a problem.

The 3 FEDEX locations nearest me know exactly what 6000 Highland Parkway is.

[Glocks&Ducs]

I don't think it matters what it was worth. If you send your friend a paper airplane, and pay for $1000 worth of insurance, you should get what you paid for.

Umm, no. That's fraud.

[Butch]

Umm, no. That's fraud.
Yup, that would be fraud.

But then, if it had the priceless autograph of some famous person on it.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Autograph.jpg

:rofl:

But they'd only pay you the depreciated value of it anyway.....that's not fraud.

:upeyes:




:patriot:

[Fallguy173]

I would think that the high ins, would make it safe.

What about sentimental value???? I might have worked hard, and put a lot of blood sweat and tears into that plane.

[Magicmanmb]

After an hours "discussion" with there claims people, and me telling them to expect a call from local newspaper reporter they have agreed to pony up the additional insured amount. I told them as soon as I received the other check I would cash both of them. The internal security claimed not to know what a Glock looked like. IMO they were just trying to make me go away. I'm going to be putting up a couple of long guns in classifieds they will be face to face only. FWIW came back from my 2 week Dr.'s appt to find a UPS package sitting on the steps, in the rain, anyone want to buy a moldy holster?? I'm waiting on the UPS guy to come examine the package and contents now.

I know we all prefer to do FTF deals without a bill of sale. But if I hadn't had proof that I had actually purchased the pistol from my friend originally, they would have denied the claim completely you have to prove to them that what you shipped was at least equal to the value claimed. Bills of sale between private parties can avoid problems further down the road. Like if this pistol shows up in your hands and for some reason the PD runs it NCIC you're going to be charged with posession of stolen property at the very least, and I'll repay Fed-ups insurance co. I would much rather have the G17 than the $$$ but it is going towards a nice but neglected Colt detective special and a G26 thats been calling me.

[Butch]

After an hours "discussion" with there claims people, and me telling them to expect a call from local newspaper reporter they have agreed to pony up the additional insured amount. I told them as soon as I received the other check I would cash both of them. The internal security claimed not to know what a Glock looked like.
Nice job! Congrats!



:patriot:

[igotabigstick]

Glad to hear everything worked out for you:)

[LoveMyJeep]

Sorry for your loss, that really sux. Hope all turns ok.
IIRC that's why UPS and FedEx require air freight instead of the cheaper ground freight on handguns. Theft on their own shipping docks likely by their people which they can't/won't control so shippers (bottom line, the end purchaser) has to pay more.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I hate it when people run at the mouth with mis-information. How do you think the package (firearm) gets from the plane to the truck? It goes to the dock just like every other package. UPS, which I work for, has very strict security measures in place. It would be very difficult to get out of the facility with anything, much less a firearm.

[dhoomonyou]

I don't think it matters what it was worth. If you send your friend a paper airplane, and pay for $1000 worth of insurance, you should get what you paid for.

call and complain, spit rolls downhill

Chairman, President, and CEO Frederick W. (Fred) Smith
EVP and CFO Alan B. Graf Jr.
Phone: 901-818-7500

tell him you have the support of your fellow GT'ers.

[Glocks&Ducs]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I hate it when people run at the mouth with mis-information. How do you think the package (firearm) gets from the plan to the truck? It goes to the dock just like every other package. UPS, which I work for, has very strict security measures in place. It would be very difficult to get out of the facility with anything, much less a firearm.


I will have to disagree with you. Two of my sisters worked at UPS for several years. They would always tell me about the abuse of packages, or theft of items from within packages, or the packages themselves. One of the biggest targets were CD clubs and such. While there were fences and turnstyles that had to be crossed in and out, only the IN entrances had metal detectors(if they worked). The out exits, had a pot smoking slacker "patting" people down to make sure they weren't stealing anything. And of course, they let their buddies through even if they felt something.

Fact of the matter is, the shipping companies did enforce overnight shipping rules for firearms because their employees were stealing firearms. While federal law prohibits marking packages as containing firearms, certain employees could quickly figure out what packages were going where, and if they contained firearms. Kind of easy to tell, based on the TO or FROM address sometimes. Overnight shipping has a much tighter chain of custody. So that is how the companies attempted to fix the problem.

And not all shipping centers have the same standard of security. I have seen some that would remind you of Natzi Germany(The Chicago hub, Highland if I recall correctly), and others where you could still walk up and take a package and hardly be noticed. I've lived all across the country. So I have seen the differences.

[Glock-19_36]

Some of my friends and family work for UPS. They have told me that some packages are stolen, but they pay employees if they catch other employees stealing, so it really is not much of a problem.

[Butch]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I hate it when people run at the mouth with mis-information. How do you think the package (firearm) gets from the plane to the truck? It goes to the dock just like every other package. UPS, which I work for, has very strict security measures in place. It would be very difficult to get out of the facility with anything, much less a firearm.
Some of my friends and family work for UPS. They have told me that some packages are stolen, but they pay employees if they catch other employees stealing, so it really is not much of a problem.
No doubt there are some UPS/FED EX facilities that are legitametly secure, or at least more secure than others, but the fact remains that both are sticking it to us by forcing us to pay high 'overnight shipping' prices to keep from getting the guns stolen by employees.

If they've solved that problem, they should stop sticking it to us!



:patriot:

[Fallguy173]

Congrats on getting the final installment of your insurance settlement. Good call to wait till you get both to cash them.

I got to thinking about the comments posted by Glocks&Ducs, and Butch. Would you consider it fraud to get a large life ins. policy? Would you be pissed if they gave you a depreciated value if the policy holder lived to 103 years old? I say if you pay for it, you should get it......

Sorry. Just some of the crazy shtuff that goes through my melon.....:dunno:

[jack the toad.]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I hate it when people run at the mouth with mis-information. How do you think the package (firearm) gets from the plane to the truck? It goes to the dock just like every other package. UPS, which I work for, has very strict security measures in place. It would be very difficult to get out of the facility with anything, much less a firearm.

The mis-information I'm running at the mouth about came from a UPS driver. Now since he's a driver and not a corporate decision maker, maybe he's mis-informed or maybe he's just running his mouth.
Since you work there, why does UPS not ship firearms ground freight anymore?

[Forby]

Just so you know.......

You have a artistic painting that you made and sold to a buyer for $10,000 and then shipped it via Fed Ex or UPS. You have an invoice showing the buyer paid $10,000. You paid for $10,000 of insurance to the carrier.

If lost or damaged, you will get the lesser of the cost of the paint on the canvas and the canvas (maybe $20.00) OR you will get a refund of the insurance fee you paid.

Shipping companies are protecting themselves from fraud by doing this. In the gun case, you deserve the full price because the gun would have been repaired for free by Glock and restored to like new condition.

Eventually, if half of all losses are firearms, they will stop accepting shipments! Then the manufacturers will have to provide indemnity and cover the losses, otherwise, we will all be driving to Georgia for repairs!

[Fallguy173]

My head hurts.:dunno:

[Glocks&Ducs]

Congrats on getting the final installment of your insurance settlement. Good call to wait till you get both to cash them.

I got to thinking about the comments posted by Glocks&Ducs, and Butch. Would you consider it fraud to get a large life ins. policy? Would you be pissed if they gave you a depreciated value if the policy holder lived to 103 years old? I say if you pay for it, you should get it......

Sorry. Just some of the crazy shtuff that goes through my melon.....:dunno:


What????????????????

I would like to argue your point. But you made no point. You are attempting to compare two things as different as outer space is from the depths of our oceans.

I recommend going and getting your melon checked.

[lens]

wrt guns getting stolen "from within" at UPS and FedEx . . .

- I met and became friendly with a former LEO who works for UPS. He was the regional security manager for quite a while (he now has a different role).

- He told me about the internal theft problems and that this was what drove the "handguns via overnight only" rule at both places (UPS and FedEx).

- He also told me that some of the unscrupulous employees would "over label" the packages so that they get stolen by diversion . . . sent to themselves or an accomplice instead of proper destination. Easy way to steal without walking out the door with the package under your arm.

I'd consider my source rather reputable and much higher up the food-chain than a driver.

BTW: Many UPS employees recognize the mfr's by the street addresses, so even if you don't spell out the company name, they know the contents are a gun. My UPS driver is a good guy and he even commented one day about the long packages he was delivering when I was actively buying C&Rs.

Someone at FedEx attempted to steal a CMP M1 that was shipped to me. They CUT all but one band of the fibrous tape (nice clean cuts, not ripped or abused in any way) used by CMP on the box. Apparently the handful of grease they got reaching into the box (it was a Danish repatriated M1 full of cosmoline) convinced them not to take it. I was furious and contacted CMP and BATFE about the attempted theft. Since I met my UPS contact a few months later, this was a topic of conversation between us that led to the interesting discussion I noted above.

wrt insurance claims . . .

- If you are the shipper and incur a loss, they require some documentation to prove value. They will NOT pay more than the value regardless of how much insurance you take out.

- You can easily get in a pissing contest about what the value of an item is. If you are right, stick to your guns (pun intended) and you'll probably come out OK even if it takes longer and you need to move up the food-chain to get your due. [NOTE: USPS insurance works differently and you are UNLIKELY to ever get what you truly deserve in a claim. I even had a USPS Marketing Manager (promoting to businesses to use their service) admit this to me. Personal experience bears this out too.]

- On the other hand, nobody will pay you an obviously bogus valuation on a loss even if you paid for a much higher than reasonable amount of insurance for the item.

- There is NO need to tell them "the gun was broken and sent for repair" . . . doing so will automatically lead to a low-ball settlement as a worthless piece of junk. If pushed, let them believe you were shipping to get factory installed night sights or a gold-plated trigger installed instead. It's none of their business (or anyone else's) WHY you are shipping an item (gun or other object).

Yes, I really believe that if thefts become too much of a problem, they will simply refuse all gun shipments. They don't really care if we're left with the only option of driving across country to get it to a gunsmith or mfr! They will NOT control their internal theft problem, that is much more difficult to do and it is easier to put the burden on us instead!

[Project Galileo]

That sucks. Karma will win out eventually.

[series1811]

My brother-in-law in a manager at UPS. He says inside, employee theft of the packages is a bigger problem than either UPS or FedEx will ever publicly admit.

[texagun]

After an hours "discussion" with there claims people, and me telling them to expect a call from local newspaper reporter they have agreed to pony up the additional insured amount.

Very glad to hear you received a good outcome on this fiasco. The hassle FEDEX gave you just shows how much grief they will give you to avoid paying a valid claim. They are very happy to receive payment for the insured amount but are always reluctant to pay t