CCI Velocitor chrono data -- six different guns...

[DJ Niner]

I'm warming up the chronograph for the big test, decided to check the new CCI Velocitor .22 ammo in a couple of different guns.

CCI Velocitor 40 grain GDHP, .22 LR caliber; chronograph results in 6 assorted firearms. All velocities are in Feet Per Second (FPS):

Mossberg bolt-action single-shot rifle, 24" barrel;
1389
1332
1319
1303
1308
1292
1320
1335
1332
1358

Extreme spread (ES) 97 FPS
Average velocity (AV) 1328.8 FPS
156 foot/pounds (ft/lbs) of energy.


Ruger 10/22 custom semiautomatic rifle, 20" stainless bull barrel;
1320
1375
1342
1348
1332
1355
1339
1366
1333
1392

ES 60 FPS
AV 1350.2 FPS
161 ft/lbs.


Ruger 10/22 semiautomatic rifle, factory 18.5" barrel;
1335
1306
1300
1350
1318
1325
1335
1340
1343
1342

ES 50 FPS
AV 1329.4 FPS
157 ft/lbs.


Ruger Old Model Single-Six revolver, 6.5" barrel (7.875" including cylinder);
1115
1113
1105
1115
1082
1112
1105
1098
1049
1160

ES 111 FPS
AV 1105.4 FPS
108 ft/lbs.


Browning Buckmark semiautomatic pistol, 5.5" barrel;
1133
1153
1049
1156
1172
1152
1098
1132
1236
1110

ES 187 FPS
AV 1139.1 FPS
115 ft/lbs.


Smith and Wesson M317 revolver, 3" barrel (4.5" including cylinder);
1002
958
1020
1018
986
1019
1032
1025
969
1065

ES 107 FPS
AV 1009.4 FPS
90 ft/lbs.


NOTES: 5 rounds fired for fouling shots prior to chronographing in rifles and semiautomatic pistol; 1 full cylinder of ammo fired to foul revolvers. Chrono distance was 6 feet, air temperature about 80 degrees F.

[wired]

interesting results
I clocked stingers
Beretta 21 960 fps
S&W 317 snubbie 1100
Ruger 10/22 1600

What is the benifet of the Velocitor over the Stinger

[DJ Niner]

I guess that depends on what you intend to do with it!

Stinger's previously unheard-of velocity was reached by doing three things:
- lighter bullet,
- longer case,
- larger amount of slower burning powder in the longer case.

Other companies used only the first and third options, but used the same length case (Remington Yellow Jacket, etc.).

That's OK if you just want to blast varmints or tin cans, but some folks want to hunt larger game with a .22. The heavier bullet of the Velocitor (40 grains vs. 32 for the Stinger) should provide deeper penetration on larger animals, and hold velocity better at long range. It's still a hollow point, so it should provide some expansion, but not at the expense of adequate penetration. At least, that's why I think they created it.

Call it a "Stingerized" heavy-bullet hollow point.

[wired]

That makes sense. I will have to try a few. I have never had problems with the stingers functioning in any of my autos, however they will not chamber in any of my CZ 452s due to the long case and tight chamber. Thanks for posting

[PACKIN' PLASTIC]

Thanks DJ:)


PP

[VA27]

Thanks DJ, I just picked up a box of those today but haven't had a chance to shoot them. How do they compare to Winchester PowerPoints? (the only other 40grHP I can think of, off hand)

[B Coyote]

DJNiner...
Your work with these velocity tests is fantastic. I'm grateful you're doing them. I don't have access to a chrongraph, so I have to rely on factory ballistic information for the most part. Your tests are showing us "real life" data...which is nice to see.

You have my thanks,

bc

[DJ Niner]

VA27,
I'm not sure, but I will be testing the Power Points and the Velocitor side-by-side in the upcoming barrel chop test; that should get you the info you want. I can't really think of any other 40 grain HPs either; 36 and 38 grain, but nothing else comes immediately to mind.

In digging through the ammo for the upcoming test, I see that the Western (made by Winchester/Olin also) has a 40 grain HP, too; but I don't think it's very common. I bought a bunch at a going-out-of-business sale, and I've never seen it anywhere else (flat, square-ish bright yellow box, 40 rounds per box, packed loose in the box).


B Coyote,
Thanks for the nice words; just glad I can help out other folks the way some guys did when I was a newbie to a specific gun game, or the shooting sports in general. Continue the circle!

[Bonk]

DJ, thanks for posting this. I like the 40gr for small game hunting (squirrels and cottontails), and have been using PowerPoints for a while. Anything hotter can't hurt, I have to try these new ones.

[Andy P]

Originally posted by wired
What is the benifet of the Velocitor over the Stinger

Thanks for posting DJ Niner,

To my understanding the velocitor uses the famous Gold Dot projectile/technology. I haven’t had the chance to inspect some myself but maybe some of you can enlighten me. Is it actually a jacket bullet similar to the Gold Dot concept?
That would really be something new instead of the usual copperklad .22lr. bullets out there.
Could some one post a photo of an expanded CCI Velocitor bullet?
Thanks
Andy

[VA27]

Andy P, The Gold Dot technology IS copper clad. The swaged lead slugs are electroplated with copper to different thicknesses depending on the caliber and velocity. The higher the velocity the thicker the plating. After plating the slugs are forced into a die for their final shape/size and the hollow-point is punched into the nose of the bullet. A by product of this process leaves a small "dot" of copper at the bottom of the cavity. Since the copper is bonded to the lead core the "dot" is visible after the bullet has expanded and the core will not separate from the jacket.

GD

[DJ Niner]

VA27 described it darn well. There is no separate copper/zinc jacket on the bullet; the only rimfire I commonly see loaded with true jacketed bullets is Winchester .22 Magnum (.22 WMR) ammo.

As far as the "dot" staying bonded to the lead, I suppose a hit on a large animal bone might scuff or scrub it off the remaining bullet; otherwise it would probably remain. In pictures of expanded Gold Dot centerfire pistol bullets (classic mushroom shape, etc.), the dot is usually visible in the center of what USED to be the bottom of the hollowpoint cavity.

Hope this was helpful...

[Andy P]

Originally posted by VA27
Andy P, The Gold Dot technology IS copper clad. The swaged lead slugs are electroplated with copper to different thicknesses depending on the caliber and velocity. The higher the velocity the thicker the plating. After plating the slugs are forced into a die for their final shape/size and the hollow-point is punched into the nose of the bullet. A by product of this process leaves a small "dot" of copper at the bottom of the cavity. Since the copper is bonded to the lead core the "dot" is visible after the bullet has expanded and the core will not separate from the jacket.
GD

VA27 thanks for you answer but I am familiar with the Gold Dot technology.
My question is if the CCI .22 Velocitor actually has a real jacket like their centerfire line of ammunition. I have attached a photo of a cutaway I did on a .45 caliber, (the “golden dot” is clearly visible) to find out the thickness of the jacket.
Of cause the thickness differs depending on the caliber.
But the coating on today’s copper clad .22lr’s is so thin that it is possible to rub it of with a fingernail and I would not go as far as calling it a jacket, but it is my hope that the Velocitor has an actual jacket and not just a thin coating.
To put it another way, is the coating thicker than the ones usually found on the .22lr’s?
Regards
Andy

[Andy P]

Originally posted by DJ Niner
VA27 described it darn well. There is no separate copper/zinc jacket on the bullet; the only rimfire I commonly see loaded with true jacketed bullets is Winchester .22 Magnum (.22 WMR) ammo.
Hope this was helpful...

Thanks DJ Niner, we must have cross-posted. You answered my question very well.
Regards
Andy.

[DJ Niner]

Eventually, I'll shoot something soft and try to recover an expanded bullet. I'm also curious about the durability of the coating on the bullet.

Is that YOUR Welrod in your avatar picture? If so, I'm quite envious...

[Andy P]

Originally posted by DJ Niner
Eventually, I'll shoot something soft and try to recover an expanded bullet. I'm also curious about the durability of the coating on the bullet.

Hi DJ Niner,
Thanks that would be great.


Is that YOUR Welrod in your avatar picture? If so, I'm quite envious...

Unfortunate no. But to your credit you are the first to recognize it as being a WelRod.

Regards
Andy.

[DJ Niner]

Thank you for the nice comment. Apparently, however, I spelled it wrong. Oh well, back to the books!


"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-George Santayana

[Mnukedude]

Okay, bearing in mind that 22lr is not much of a man stopper, if you HAD to use it (in the interim until I get my wife over her flinching problem with heavier calibers) would the Velocitor or the Stinger be the less inadaquate bet out of a handgun?

[GlocksRock]

I have heard that you want as much penetration as possible with a .22 round, so a hollow point might not be your best bet. Possibly you could stagger each round with one solid bullet and one hollow point. It is your call.

[SELFDEFENSE]

I got some of this Swartklip at gun show but ahve not tried it yet:
.22 Long Rifle SHB
45 Grain, Solid Heavyweight Bullet
Velocity - 1,225 fps

[Jody Hudson]

I would love to hear a comparative discussion and measurements regarding the Stinger, Velocitor and Quik-Shok in the various guns!

My son and I shot the Velocitors and Quik-Shoks in several of our pistols and rifles and it SEEMED like the Quik-Shoks were quite a bit faster. We like the explosive results of the QS on large vegetables... We used to be big Stinger fans and now we've switched entirely to QS. We were looking seriously at changing over to Velocitors because of the reported speed, heavier weight and to experiment with the bullet design in large vegetables... BUT it seemed slow compared to the QS to us...

Any feed back will be well appreciated.