View Full Version : Hock yer Glock: No love for the .40?
TheVeryIdea
02-02-2008, 20:06
So I was perusing a pawn shop today just for poops and giggles, and I checked out their gun counter to see what they were featuring.
Out of about 40 or so handguns, there were six or seven G22s and a 27. I didn't take note of what the other pieces were, although it definitely seemed weighted toward various Ruger models. But it struck me odd that one specific model of any brand would be found in a pawn shop.
Why would so many G22s be pawned off? Is it backlash from the KB scare of early models? Almost all of them had Hogue-like handgrips. Are LEOs getting a quick buck after upgrading? Are .40 Glocks the most frequently stolen handguns, thus making them the most frequently hocked?
Your theories please.
mr00jimbo
02-02-2008, 20:10
Maybe it's too medium of a round for most people? They either want the 9 or if they go bigger they go 45? *shrug*
You say KB of earlier models? What did they do to prevent this with later models?
zackwatt
02-02-2008, 20:11
Interesting. I have the G22 and the G27, and I will never be getting rid of them. I think it is one of the best all rounders.
So I was perusing a pawn shop today just for poops and giggles, and I checked out their gun counter to see what they were featuring.
Out of about 40 or so handguns, there were six or seven G22s and a 27. I didn't take note of what the other pieces were, although it definitely seemed weighted toward various Ruger models. But it struck me odd that one specific model of any brand would be found in a pawn shop.
Why would so many G22s be pawned off? Is it backlash from the KB scare of early models? Almost all of them had Hogue-like handgrips. Are LEOs getting a quick buck after upgrading? Are .40 Glocks the most frequently stolen handguns, thus making them the most frequently hocked?
Your theories please.
G22 and G27 are a common police combination, maybe they got a good deal on some police trade-ins. Pawnshops have FFL's and are not limited to guns they get in pawn.
MikeDawg
02-02-2008, 20:20
Maybe it's too medium of a round for most people? They either want the 9 or if they go bigger they go 45? *shrug*
You say KB of earlier models? What did they do to prevent this with later models?
Increase barrel support, there are tons of pics floating around the gt boards, showing a 1st gen vs 3rd gen, where 3rd gen looks nearly fully supported, and the gen 1 showed a little more of the round.
You say KB of earlier models? What did they do to prevent this with later models?
The early models seem to have less chamber support from pics I have seen on here. Both of my 40 cal's have almost full chamber support and I have no worries about them.
crankbait11
02-02-2008, 20:21
Leo trade-ins more than likely. My local dealer has a decent stockpile of 22's that were police trade-ins and some 2nd gen 19's that were also trade-ins. All came from the factory refurbished with a full lifetime warranty and most look like new.
TheVeryIdea
02-02-2008, 20:32
Interesting. I have the G22 and the G27, and I will never be getting rid of them. I think it is one of the best all rounders.
I hear that. And if I ever did get rid of my G17, I'd trade it for greater value, not hock it for pennies on the dollar.
TheVeryIdea
02-02-2008, 20:34
Leo trade-ins more than likely. My local dealer has a decent stockpile of 22's that were police trade-ins and some 2nd gen 19's that were also trade-ins. All came from the factory refurbished with a full lifetime warranty and most look like new.
Yeah, I thought that's what it might be, especially since a pawnshop can have an FFL, as Bren mentioned up above.
That reminds me: They had a 2nd gen G19, too.
Giggity-Giggity
02-02-2008, 20:35
There are two types of folks: Leaders & followers.
Leader take a different route: .40S&W
Followers follow what everyone has: 9mm & .45ACP
That's my theory.
I choose to be a leader.
glockg22C
02-02-2008, 20:50
There are two types of folks: Leaders & followers.
Leader take a different route: .40S&W
Followers follow what everyone has: 9mm & .45ACP
That's my theory.
I choose to be a leader.
Hell yeah!
I had a Glock 23 until it was stolen:steamed:
But, I replaced it with another 23:supergrin:
Choclabman
02-02-2008, 21:01
There are two types of folks: Leaders & followers.
Leader take a different route: .40S&W
Followers follow what everyone has: 9mm & .45ACP
That's my theory.
I choose to be a leader.
Glock pushed the G22/.40S&W on the police scene. So......
Actually you are following the lead of the cops, and the followers who base their weapons on what the po po is using. But if it makes you feel better, then go with it. :whistling:
Never mind that the police in my area, are moving swiflty away from the .40S&W.
I wonder what the next "in" caliber will be. I'm sure all "leaders", will follow the pack.
Glock pushed the G22/.40S&W on the police scene. So......
Actually you are following the lead of the cops, and the followers who base their weapons on what the po po is using. But if it makes you feel better, then go with it. :whistling:
Never mind that the police in my area, are moving swiflty away from the .40S&W.
I wonder what the next "in" caliber will be. I'm sure all "leaders", will follow the pack.
Choclabman, What caliber/brand weapon is being carried by the Po Po in your area? In this area most are Glock or Sig in 40 or 9. About 2 to 1 ratio Glock and about 2 to 1 ratio 40.
Stormflap
02-02-2008, 21:53
I think it's because there's probably way more .40 Glocks than just about everything else.
My first Glock is a 2nd gen, police trade in G22. Fine pistol, I see no reason to get rid of it although I might wind up converting it to 9mm and use it as a training pistol as I don't carry it or use it as self defense pistol.
I've decided to stop being a leader and go straight to being a winner. In accordance with this decision I've switched to 10mm. :supergrin:
Jason607
02-02-2008, 23:51
I would use the abundance of G22's and G27's as a bargaining tool to get me a cheap Glock.
wyattearp
02-03-2008, 00:07
In my town, the local PD just replaced 2500 G22's with something else. The surplus was sold to a local FFL dealer who in turn unloaded them to pawn shops all over the place. I heard they were going for around $250 a piece, so that means the pawn shops have some wiggle room on the asking price.
Sounds fun to me!
I have spoken to several people who said they traded their 40 cal because it kicked to much. This may have something to do with it. I enjoy all of my 40 cal Glocks.
hikerpaddler
02-03-2008, 00:11
Only the ignorant would make decisions based on hoaxes (.40 KB). .40 just happens to be the (or one of the) best performing and market-dominant rounds. More .40's out there, more .40's sold or pawned. I don't know what to think about the Hogue handgrips. If you like them, use them, they're just a placebo though.
So I was perusing a pawn shop today just for poops and giggles, and I checked out their gun counter to see what they were featuring.
Out of about 40 or so handguns, there were six or seven G22s and a 27. I didn't take note of what the other pieces were, although it definitely seemed weighted toward various Ruger models. But it struck me odd that one specific model of any brand would be found in a pawn shop.
Why would so many G22s be pawned off? Is it backlash from the KB scare of early models? Almost all of them had Hogue-like handgrips. Are LEOs getting a quick buck after upgrading? Are .40 Glocks the most frequently stolen handguns, thus making them the most frequently hocked?
Your theories please.
witheringfire
02-03-2008, 02:38
Traded my OD G22 in because:
The .40 just couldn't win me over...especially since the G30 was available in the best calibre ever invented for two-legged game. I love the .45, Always have, always will. It has proven itself for a century, both in military and LE service. Of course that's my personal opinion, but since I pay for the ammo and carry the weapon, it's the opinion that really matters.
I find my G26 perfect for concealed carry during warmer weather, when wearing lighter clothing; and it's quite accurate. The Corbon 115gr JHP +P's that it holds are more than up to the task for personal defense. I simply don't need a .40 to fill a 'gap' that doesn't exist, at least for me.
Bottom line is, buy and carry what you like. If it works for you, who really cares what the latest 'expert' has to say. If it's a Glock, you have made a fantastic choice :number1:, regardless of calibre.
AustinTx
02-03-2008, 02:48
Glock pushed the G22/.40S&W on the police scene. So......
Actually you are following the lead of the cops, and the followers who base their weapons on what the po po is using. But if it makes you feel better, then go with it. :whistling:
Never mind that the police in my area, are moving swiflty away from the .40S&W.
I wonder what the next "in" caliber will be. I'm sure all "leaders", will follow the pack.
Actually, the FBI caused the 40 to be created. They tried to switch to the 10mm but the agents couldn't handle the recoil. They downloaded the 10mm until the recoil was manageable. The end result was a load equal to the current 40 power level. S&W realized that this power level could be achieved in a gun with the size of a 9mm if the cartridge was reduced in size. Glock just got a pistol, on the market before S&W.
As to the next LE caliber, I don't know. I will take notice that the Texas DPS (highway cops) changed from the 45ACP to the 357Sig. The qualification scores with the 357 were way better than with the 45. AT
Darth Sion
02-03-2008, 03:15
Maybe they all decided to trade for G23s!
Yeah, I thought that's what it might be, especially since a pawnshop can have an FFL, as Bren mentioned up above.
That reminds me: They had a 2nd gen G19, too.
If the pawn shop takes guns and in pawn and sells guns, it HAS to have an FFL. If you ever go in one without an FFL, you'll see they have no guns and don't take them in pawn.
heydrich
02-03-2008, 06:07
.40 "The round that just refuses to kill!"
Only the ignorant would make decisions based on hoaxes (.40 KB). .40 just happens to be the (or one of the) best performing and market-dominant rounds. More .40's out there, more .40's sold or pawned. I don't know what to think about the Hogue handgrips. If you like them, use them, they're just a placebo though.
I'm with you on the hoax thing. The agency I work 4 employees more people in law enforcement and corrections that any agency or any lower level of government in the state and these thousands of officers are all issued Glock .40s, 27, 23, 22 and 35, by the thousands and they qualify with them 2 to 4 times a year, plus basic training, etc. Somehow we hvae no problems with the guns, BSs, etc. That does make me suspicious of the minivan driving suburbanites who claim they keep blowing up.
I was told of one KB with a personnally owned Glock .40, that blew the mag out, but no actual damage and the gun kept shooting - right next to it, the same day, the same thing happened with more damage to a .38 revolver using the same brand ammo. The result was that they shut down the use of Master Cartridge ammo for a while - not the use of Glocks.
greenmtnboy
02-03-2008, 06:18
the 9mm was great, for a while. everyone had to have one. the .45 acp was replced by the 9mm in the military. the .45 was out dated. the .40s&w came along, a nice medium in between. everyone had to have one. now this trend is ending. the 40 bashing begins, and the sheep follow suit. eureka, the .357 sig.
i for one like the .40s&w round very much. i grew up on the .45acp, and still admire that caliber also.
theveryidea, i have a fever, and the only cure is MORE COW BELL!:supergrin:
Crusher47
02-03-2008, 08:48
I'm betting it was LEO trade-ins/sales
winder12
02-03-2008, 09:10
I noticed a similar trend last week while checking local gun shops. But it was the G35. There were at least 4 used ones in the case. As a comparison, I only saw 1 used g34.
I just got my 35 about a year ago, am I behind the curve on something? Am I missing something? Ammo prices perhaps? Non-gamers dumping a pistol they never really needed in the first place?
Radiator
02-03-2008, 09:42
There are two types of folks: Leaders & followers.
Leader take a different route: .40S&W
Followers follow what everyone has: 9mm & .45ACP
That's my theory.
I choose to be a leader.
My G23 mags have followers following the .40S&W rounds, too! :rofl:
Rad
Ammo prices are driving people toward 9mm's.
TheVeryIdea
02-03-2008, 11:46
Without wanting to spark a caliber p***ing contest, I'm not really sold on all those G22s popping up in one pawn shop because their previous gun owners had an epiphany about .40 S&W. Take me, for example: I have a G17, and I kinda presumed my next would be a .45 for ccw (when I finally get it this year) but I've found myself considering the G23 or G27 more and more. I can't be the only gun owner considering going up in price and adding this round to my small arsenal.
When I last looked at used pieces in an actual gun shop about two weeks ago, they had a G36 (stipled and Heinie sites), a G19 (with laser), and about two or three other Glocks; a 17 and 22 might've been among them, but I don't remember. In other words, a broader cross-section of gun owners traded in or sold guns -- including a proportional sampling of Glocks -- resulting in a more varied selection of used guns overall, and not just one specific make and model.
Do that many people really hock guns at pawn shops? I haven't spent that much time hanging around pawn shops, but it seems like you would get more bang for your buck by trading or selling your piece at a gun shop, or dealing directly with another gun owner, you know, targeting your market by selling to someone actively seeking a .40. Maybe I'm just entirely ignorant about the used handgun market, and the benefits/disadvantages of dealing with a gun shop vs. a pawn shop vs. face-to-face. Could someone illuminate this for me?
In any case, I think Bren's and wyattearp's theory about surplus LEO 22s finding their way en masse to the pawn shop I visited rings true. Now I can go watch the Super Bowl pregame coverage without mental distraction. :supergrin:
Oh, and greenmtnboy: I think you can really use more cowbell!:rock:
4095fanatic
02-03-2008, 11:50
At my local shops, it's because of LEO trade ins as well. And I'm never getting rid of my .40's :).
Ahhh. The 'ol wha's .40 good for thread. If the ammo wasn't so darn expensive I'd be mildly intrigued by the round. I can't see paying the same price for .40 as I do for .45 ammo. At that point, I'd rather just feed my .45's.
The bottom line is if the .40 revs your motor, then good for you. Buy it and shoot it. If it doesn't, then don't buy one, but don't rag on the people that like it. Thank God that we have choices when it comes to firearms and ammo.
Tim
S&WM&PAR15T&G34
02-03-2008, 13:10
I've also noticed a flood of Glock .40s Model(s) 27, 23, 22 and 35. Also several 24's at local gun shops. I heard they were traded in because of the price of 40 ammo.
txgunguy
02-03-2008, 13:43
Increase barrel support, there are tons of pics floating around the gt boards, showing a 1st gen vs 3rd gen, where 3rd gen looks nearly fully supported, and the gen 1 showed a little more of the round.
too bad there were no first generation G 22s
WellArmedSheep
02-03-2008, 13:51
There are two types of folks: Leaders & followers.
Leader take a different route: .40S&W
Followers follow what everyone has: 9mm & .45ACP
That's my theory.
I choose to be a leader.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
That's the most ridiculous thing I've read today.
G22 and G27 are a common police combination, maybe they got a good deal on some police trade-ins. Pawnshops have FFL's and are not limited to guns they get in pawn.
I got my G22 from a pawnshop just like this. Trade in from a security company.
casper975
02-03-2008, 19:43
Well I don't know I guess I'm not a leader or a fallower I use a .357sig G31 so I guess I'm a outcast:supergrin:
Sniper9mm
02-18-2008, 09:35
This past weekend, I picked up a G23 from a local pawnshop... It "looked" well used. Upon further review I saw that it had a custom carbon fiber camouflage finish that was wearing off from where it rubbed against a holster? Anyway, I took the slide off and saw that underneath the finish was an OD Glock, just what I was looking for! It was tagged for $425, but talked the guy down alot... Took it home and proceeded to remove the "custom finish" and now have a very nice OD G23 at a great price to add to my 15 year old G17! Found the paperwork inside the case and saw where the original owner paid $589.95 new with the custom camouflage.
douglasd
02-18-2008, 10:20
The early models seem to have less chamber support from pics I have seen on here. Both of my 40 cal's have almost full chamber support and I have no worries about them.
+1 on both points. I have four GLOCK .40's and I don't worry at all. They are all gen 3 and the chambers are all nearly fully supported now, as much as or more than my SIG P229, which is .40 also.
The only appeal the .40 has for me is the Glock 27. Small gun with good round count and larger bullet diameter than 9mm that fits my hand very well. I would love to say that about the Model 30 but it's too fat. The 27 and .40 are a great marriage.
Having said this the .40 is a good round for self defense. I feel better with it than I do with the 9mm. I prefer the .45acp as a defensive round over both, though.
Northalius
02-18-2008, 10:21
I've decided to stop being a leader and go straight to being a winner. In accordance with this decision I've switched to 10mm.
:cool: :supergrin:
That's it! Many police agencies are going to wake up and pick the 10mm Glock 20's for service! ;)
:wavey:
People are stupid and/or lazy. Reloading or a conversion barrel can go a long way.
dsmw5142
02-18-2008, 14:31
Our department switched from .45 (S&W 4566) to .40 (G22) about a year or year and a half ago. Kind of an apples/oranges comparison I know, before anyone says it (8rd boat anchor vs. well designed combat handgun). They had been looking in to something different for a while and had 8 g21's to test. But for several reasons, one I suspect being the inability of some to handle the larger grip girth, they didn't get them.
I suspect if the 21sf had been equal price and readily available at the time we might have gone that way though. But when you talking about 600 new handguns, holsters, mag pouches and weapon lights the extra cost of the weapons would have been a deciding factor.
Even though they had to switch ammo, nothing went to waste because most people bought their old smith and there are many personally owned .45's as well as the swat teams Kimber's. So that wasn't a consideration really. I did hear that one thing they liked though, was that they could trade up every three years for dirt cheap to obtain any new modifications. This may be why there are so many in the used gun cases.
Personally, I like both rounds but usually choose to carry a G23 off the clock.
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