New G27 owner needs laser sight help

[Peterbeninya]

Greetings,

I am the proud owner of a new G27, and I am especially interested in what those more experienced with laser sights (with the small frame of the G27 kept in mind) prefer for this model?

I am not really interested in the bulky "flashlight" combo units, and I am interested in the products offered from companies such as:

http://www.lasersightusa.com

and

http://www.law-17.com

I would REALLY appreciate input from those (especially G27 owners) with experience installing/using the laser sights.

Thanks in advance!

PB

[Short Cut]

I looked at several and although it isn't the cheapest, I think the Laser Max is definitely the trickest. I bought one for my G30. I wouldn't call it a necessity but I like it. btw the laser lens on the unit I bought cracked and Laser Max replaced it pronto with no questions asked, gotta like that in a company! :)

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http://www.lasersightsusa.com/images/h-gunlaser2.jpg (http://www.lasersightsusa.com/)

[wolfman97]

I second the LaserMax. I have one and it is great. Nothing to disturb the outside lines of the gun, easy to install, always fairly decently aligned. The only negative is the limited battery life. They say the battery life is a couple of hours of continuous use. My first set was more like 45 minutes. Oh, well, look around and you can find them for 70 cents each. Just buy fifty at a time so you have them on hand (it takes four).

The other option for not disturbing the outlines of the gun too much is to go with one of those that is installed. Those are about two hundred dollars more from what I have seen. The advantage of those is probably longer battery life, and it's rechargeable. The disadvantages are cost, you have to send your gun away, it disturbs the outline with the laser on the trigger guard, and you have greater parallax between the laser and the barrel.

[Glock: For Hire]

Peter,

At my gun range we won't sell the Laser Max due to it's fragility. It's our opinion that replacing the guide rod with the unit is the worst of both worlds, i.e. a guide rod used as a sighting device and a sighting device used as a guide rod. Neither job is being done well. Besides try keeping it zeroed.

If you really want a laser then go with the Crimson Trace. Warning: On the Glock it's a $500 modification that is sent to the factory. They mount it to the front of the trigger guard. It's molded and mounted right to the gun so that it looks like the trigger guard is oversized (like it's part of the gun). Because of this the unit is rugged and sturdy. Finding holsters is slightly problematic. I believe that if you contact Comp-Tac they will custom make a kydex holster to accomodate the modified Glock. The holster isn't that expensive to begin with so the custom molding should only be a little more so.

You might want to pose this question on Cop Talk and Tactics and Training, just to get an idea about the lasers the pros use. If that kind of thing is important to you.

My last suggestion is forego the laser and spend your money on bullets and training. For the cost of the Laser Max you could cover the cost of a two day defensive pistol course, (as long as it's local), and most of a case of ammo that you would need for said class. The cost of the Crimson Trace would cover both easily.

Best

Dave

[mcole]

lassermax. take a look at www.shooterssupply.com for about the best prices. mcole

[loandr.]

The lasermax is ok, BUT what is you insist on the Titanium Guide rod and internals? I cant replace my guiderod without losing this feature. any how the Crimson trace Areo-tek used on my gun is great. they used to sell the Law primarily them switched to the crimson trace unit because its brighter,longer battery life and more ergonomic .Good luck
loandr.

[dontknockglock]

have a lasermax in a g23 and very satisfied with it. you will here some people knock them and others rave about them, but the truth is they are a wonderful accessory if u understand the purpose for which they are intending. not ideal for every situation.. thats why there is a on/off switch. and for expert shooters not always if ever the quickest means of acquiring a target.. but one thing for sure in low light or night if you are looking down the sights.. u can't help but find that dot. i don't understand about people talking about looking for the dot. look down the sights for crying out loud. and like i mentioned acquiring maybe not faster. but certainly easier and safer to maintain a target and still process info on your surroundings.

glock on

[maligator]

Peterbeninya:

I'm with Glock For Hire....Lasers are cool, but you would be much better off spending your money and time on some ammo and quality shooting time ( a class or two if you can). In my opinion you should stick to the basics first, after that.. branch out and look at other options. If you focus so much on the use of a laser sight, what happens when it fails. After being used to using that laser shooting aid, when it's now not there....How will you react. Will you be as acurate? Practice, and aquire valuble tactics. Those are non mechanical aids that will be less likely to fail. A person well practiced/versed in fire arm tactics can and should be able to shoot just as well without sights as with sights. In some cases better because there isn't so much focus on the sights it's on the target where it needs to be. I personally use my front sight more than any thing when it comes to sights. That is of course in combat shooting, not marksman slow shooting. Besides, for the price of a laser set up you could buy a second gun!!

Lastly, Hollywood always uses lasers in the movies on SWAT teams, SEALs, etc. You might be surprised to know that many teams don't use lasers for some of the reasons I mentioned above. The LEO agency I work for has multiple tactical teams (SERT, SWAT) one of which I belong to. We have every type of gun you can imagine: H&K MPs & G36s, M4s, shotguns, sniper rifles, all kinds of handguns (mostly Glocks), and various other specialty guns. There is not one laser in use on any one of those guns! Night sights and tactical flash lights are in use, but that's it.

Anyway, choose what you like. But research well. Good luck.

[DepDuke]

Peterbeninya: One thing that you will find is that there are opinions on both extremes, either they will be invaluable, or they will be hated. Saying that, I can unconditionally say that the LaserMax is the best. No equal. I have the training and experience (both on the testing and real life ends of the spectrum) to say so. There are no 'fragility' issues with it. My duty G17 and G26 backups both have them. My 17 has IN EXCESS of 40,000 rounds from competition and training and it has never slowed me down, or failed to function. I have proven that someone who never has used one was able to improve his qual scores and then, after a few practice sessions, keep the improvement. The laser gives you instant feedback about your aim, trigger press, and followthrough. There are a lot of other benefits that would take too long to list here, email me if you want to know more. As for the duty end (if you are in the LEO field) All you need is a short familiarization and practice often and it will not 'slow you down while you look for the activation switch' as most say/think. I have proven it works. BG usually gets distracted or realizes that the bullet, should he fail to stop doing what he is doing, will hit them where the dot is......kind of a tactile way to get the point across. FWIW, do your research, try out the different kinds, and decide after you have educated yourself. Good luck and stay safe and by all means WEAR THEM DAMN VESTS GUYS !!!!!!!!