View Full Version : Exact Differences of Slim Frame of G21SF over G21?
Jettubby
02-05-2008, 17:51
Yes I know it's probably been discussed 100000 times but a search reaveals no details. I know the SF is a short frame (I meant) but what exactly does that mean? I can't find it written anywhere. Gettting ready to buy a G21 and trying to decide on a SF or not?
Thanks
And thank butch for the pic :whistling:
MikeDawg
02-05-2008, 17:58
Yes I know it's probably been discussed 100000 times but a search reaveals no details. I know the SF is a slim frame but what exactly does that mean? I can't find it written anywhere. Gettting ready to buy a G21 and trying to decide on a SF or not?
Thanks
Actually, you're not even correct about that, it is "Short Frame".
The G21SF has the *option* of coming with an ambi mag release or regular release, pic rail or glock rail, and the "smaller grip".
Jettubby
02-05-2008, 17:59
Actually, you're not even correct about that, it is "Short Frame".
The G21SF has the *option* of coming with an ambi mag release or regular release, pic rail or glock rail, and the "smaller grip".
It was a typo or rather a "brain-o" :supergrin:
No, No, No! It's not a slim frame, it's a "Short Frame." Glock reduced the size of the cavity behind the magazine well. The ambi model uses a different trigger housing, mag release spring and mag release.
Jettubby
02-05-2008, 18:00
And thank butch for the pic :whistling:
Ah, I see said the blind man. Thank you. :cool:
I've read that the trigger is horrible compared to the G21. Any truth to that?
Any reason to get one or the other? I have big hands so grip size is usually not a problem. Always adding a Hogue Handall to my firearms to make it larger. Thanks.
it is .19" shorter trigger reach. i have one and like it
ghostrider775
02-06-2008, 03:30
No, No, No! It's not a slim frame, it's a "Short Frame." Glock reduced the size of the cavity behind the magazine well. The ambi model uses a different trigger housing, mag release spring and mag release.
umm...
well here => http://www.glockworld.com/category/507_Glock_SlimFrame(SF)_Hand_Guns.aspx
it is .19" shorter trigger reach. i have one and like it
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9428612#post9428612
More like .09".
I picked up a brochure from Glock at the shot show on the G21SF and G30SF. The distance to the trigger from the backstrap for the G21SF is 2 mm shorter and for the G30SF it is 3 mm shorter. The brochure has photos showing the differences. It doesn't look like much but it may be significant for some people.
if you have man hands then the G21 will be more comfy. The G21sf was made for little girls.
Jettubby
02-06-2008, 10:58
if you have man hands then the G21 will be more comfy. The G21sf was made for little girls.
I hear it was made for female LEOs with small hands. :whistling:
Glockworld is wrong. Glock, Inc of Smyrna, GA calls the SF models short frame, The G36 is a slimline and features a slim frame. There is nothing slim about the double stack G21SF and G30SF.:upeyes:
joegunn308
02-06-2008, 12:08
if you have man hands then the G21 will be more comfy. The G21sf was made for little girls.
:rofl:
That's just wrong!
Joe, it's just a typical GlockTalk reaction. For years folks have been complaining about the brick-like grip of a G21. Now that Glock has done something about it, the same folks are complaining about what Glock has done. Folks here just like to complain about anything that does not match the profile of their particular special interest.:whistling:
tonyparson
02-06-2008, 15:27
Joe, it's just a typical GlockTalk reaction. For years folks have been complaining about the brick-like grip of a G21. Now that Glock has done something about it, the same folks are complaining about what Glock has done. Folks here just like to complain about anything that does not match the profile of their particular special interest.:whistling:
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ghostrider775
02-06-2008, 17:53
Glockworld is wrong. Glock, Inc of Smyrna, GA calls the SF models short frame, The G36 is a slimline and features a slim frame. There is nothing slim about the double stack G21SF and G30SF.:upeyes:
no disrespect intended, but has anyone called Glock on that? I couldn't find it on their website, and a good friend of mine just bought a G21SF and said it stood for "slim frame". :dunno:
gary newport
02-06-2008, 18:09
if you have man hands then the G21 will be more comfy. The G21sf was made for little girls.
Keep working on it. Someday, you might even post something that is funny. :cool:
gary newport
02-06-2008, 18:10
no disrespect intended, but has anyone called Glock on that? I couldn't find it on their website, and a good friend of mine just bought a G21SF and said it stood for "slim frame". :dunno:
SHORT FRAME! The grip length is slightly shortened front-to-back while being exactly the same width as the old G21.
Let me go on record and say that I have no problem with the grip on my G21 or my G30.
I ran across a Glock rep at a dealer with his demo case. He had every model in the case. I asked to handle both a G21 and the G21SF with standard mag release & Glock rail (which is what I would want). After about 30 minutes of conversation and constant handling of both weapons I concluded that for me I am set with my G21. I could not find any benefit in the grip of the G21SF.
gary newport
02-06-2008, 18:13
I could not find any benefit in the grip of the G21SF.
...and I could. Not all hands (or folks) are alike.
...and I could. Not all hands (or folks) are alike.
I agree. I was only detailing my personal experience. I fully believe anyone thinking about buying a 21 try both and go with the one that feels the best.
In all honesty I was excited about the introduction of theG21SF and I thought I would find it an improvement over my G21. After handling both I walked away with no further desire to obtain a G21SF.
gary newport
02-06-2008, 18:22
Yes I know it's probably been discussed 100000 times but a search reaveals no details. I know the SF is a short frame (I meant) but what exactly does that mean? I can't find it written anywhere. Gettting ready to buy a G21 and trying to decide on a SF or not?
Thanks
The numbers and even the pictures won't tell you much. You need to handle and preferably shoot both old and new versions to see if the SF makes a difference to you. For some (like me), the small changes in the G21SF grip add up to a more comfortable grip. For others (like Blaster), the SF changes don't mean much because they are content with the old G21. For still others, the G21SF doesn't confer any benefit because it is STILL too fat!
The G21SF has a slightly shorter trigger reach at the top of the grip and (most significantly to me) a reduction in the "camel hump" at the bottom of the backstrap. The latter reduction in particular makes a G21SF much more comfortable in my hands.
Based on the G21SF and the pictures of the G30SF, the latter will have a similarly-reduced trigger reach (which isn't obvious in the pictures) and DOES have a reduction in the hump at the bottom rear of the backstrap.
Keep working on it. Someday, you might even post something that is funny. :cool:
relax ya party pooper
Glock G21SF (Short Frame) The reason for the Short Frame was to improve trigger reach, this is the distance from the rear of a handgun receiver or blackstrap to the face of the trigger. By removing just a miniscule amount at the rear of the G21 receiver, Glock engineering had come up with a whole new positive feel.
passive101
04-18-2008, 02:25
I wish they would make a glock 26 with a short frame so better fit my small hands.
R0CKETMAN
04-18-2008, 05:59
no disrespect intended, but has anyone called Glock on that? I couldn't find it on their website, and a good friend of mine just bought a G21SF and said it stood for "slim frame". :dunno:
No disrespect intented but Danny had it right. Grasshopper aka ghost rider, do a search on all Danny's post and sufice to say you will have a new appreciation for his post.
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