New LV Shooting Park Situation

[Barcroft]

After several years of public planning for the new Shooting Park, some come-latelys are trying to slow or derail the new shooting park past North Decatur.
A public meeting is planned for Wednesday, but no other details provided. I wrote the reporter about the when/where and will post here when he responds.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?s=7828919

[crazypilot]

Last I heard, they were not going to stop the project since it's been in the work for years. They even mentioned that the sellers should of told you the master plan around the area before you bought the home so it's not the County's fault, it the sellers. I already see lawsuits if they failed to provide the buyers with that information. I can't wait to shoot there.

[heidit]

I spoke with Art Dixon at the shot show, a few homeowers are concerned about noise...so they move they moved the fireing line 500 yds (?) further in and away from the houses. I really don't see them stopping the project... It's Uncle Harry's project... he will see it to the end.

here is the alert that someone forwarded to me re: the shooting park
There was a recent TV 8 news piece about a handful of people who have just moved (within the last year, year and a half) into the area just south of the new Clark County Range (from out of state of course) here in Las Vegas. They are over a mile from the actual shooting areas.

After doing some checking, we want to share what is going on and what we can do to make sure we have a public range where we can shoot.

Although being planned since 1984 on that site, and actively worked on since 1996, these new new residents claim they didn't know about it ("nobody told me") and don't want it in their "back yard." That is amazing considering all the press this project has had since 2003 when the land was transferred from the BLM to Clark County for a range.

They are trying to make this an emotional issue and are spreading a lot of false information to get more people to be sympatric with them. They are trying to get the range stopped, or significantly modified.

We called Clark County and were told that the "shooting park" was designed with the homeowners in mind, that there were environmental studies, and that lead management, noise, ice age mammals, dust, traffic, water run off and a host of other environmental concerns were incorporated into the planning and design. Apparently the actual features to be offered at the shooting park came from the Citizen's Advisory Committee and not from the county.

Channel 8 said there would be a public meeting next Wednesday night February 13, 2008 at the Aliante Public Library at 2400 West Deer Springs Road in North Las Vegas at 7 pm. That is just south of the 215 and the Aliante exit, on the north east corner of Deer Springs and Aliante Parkway.

The meeting is between Carmel Canyon and La Ventina Home owners and county officials. Apparently the home owners notified the press to make a media event of this meeting.

If you are a supporter of the new shooting park, you should attend this meeting and show your support for the range.

The complaining homeowners are apparently telling people that the public doesn't support this range and it is a government thing.

For all of you that know about this range, you know that if it wasn't for the shooters, there would never be this opportunity to have a public shooting range in Las Vegas.

Let yourself be heard, come and support the range......

[Barcroft]

Major disappointment. Just left Aliente library.
They won't allow the public into their media event even though they advertised it as a public meeting on Channel 8, The 8 website, and the RJ.
I tried to convince Mr. Richard Lennard, "...president of the association..." that a meeting with public officials about public business was an open meeting, but he (and those next to him) would not be moved.
He did assure me that there would be NO ELECTED PUBLIC OFFICIALS present, no PUBLIC BUSINESS would be discussed, and that the meeting was "...a private homeowners association meeting...". There were several sheets with different HOA headings on the table outside the meeting room.
Mr. Lennard said that "...none of us weretold about the range when they bought their homes. He claimed that the sales people told him they knew nothing about it. HA!
He even admitted that his development (a couple years old) wasn't there when the park was planned.
And, I guess that's the whole point, isn't it? They should have checked out the area with due diligence and didn't.
Now, the impression is that they want to derail this long-awaited project that so many have worked long and hard for.
Mr. Lennard was very polite and soft-spoken throughout our discussion; but he and I ARE going to be on different sides of the fence on this one.
If he won't allow me to hear his side of things, I'll just have to make my decisions without his input.

[heidit]

As Don Turner pointed out, the trap range at Floyd Lamb Park is much closer to homes and they have no noise complaints. It's really sad that the home owners were not notified regarding the project, but the project will go on. As I said this is one of Harry Reid's babys. He and John Lee have gone to bat to secure the funding. The people can whine all the want, it's going in. It reminds me of people who bought homes near the pig farm in the winter and are screaming about the smell all summer... to bad, so sad, the pig farm has been in the same location for years.

Unfortunately many people are uneducated about firearms and shooting sports. The project manager Don Turner has a lot of expierence with range development and has a good team to work with. The project will proceed.

[crazypilot]

Unfortunately,the Las Vegas Gun Club will have to close when the Shooting Park opens up. Clark County has already notified Steve & George. They've had that business for some time now.

[JimBianchi]

There is a lot of opposition to the park and I will be surprised if it ever opens.

The way the valley is expanding, that land could generate millions in taxes for the county and state.

Much more than the user fees ever could. Vegas is all about the $$.

Coupled withencroachment from homes and schools and with the all the folks/businesses lining up to sue, the park in its current location is probably doomed unfortunately.

[Ripple]

They been trying to get that park started since the mid 80's. 20+ years latter its still not built. I don't think this will ever happen to be honest.
Perry Dickerson was a major force in getting this started. When he passed it seemed to fall into the abyss.

There was some resurgence in the project, but as Jim said, the tax money generated will far outweigh any profits from matches and or range fees. Guess how thee county's going to vote when this comes up. Next thing to go will be desert sportsman, I give it 10 more years if the growth rate stays the same and land values continue to rise.

[heidit]

Think positive boys. They have some real stiff deadlines for phase I construction and bids are due early March. Once construction starts, it's going to move fast. Really!

[JimBianchi]

Some of those homeowners have deep pockets. They couls spend years in court and it won't both them.

Once they find a judge to issue an injuction halting construction, it all over.

I also read an artical about a problem with the state law. Basically it was saying that the shooting park is too close to school bus routes and maybe even to close to at least one school.

All it takes is one Anti 2A judge..... (IT FOR THE CHILDERN!!! I can hear the moonbats now.)

[heidit]

:rofl:Oh come on the FIRST phase is 219 acers! It's whoey! School Buses??? Please! That's really reaching. It shows again they are uneducated! I don't know what the school bus law is, but I'd say every indoor range is breaking it.

If Harry can't not as Senate Majority Leader get this shooting park built in his own state, that's sad. It also reflects pretty poorly on his ability to get the job done. He also has the support of Shelly Berkley... she was at the ground breaking in a hot pink skirt and lime green tennis shoes! (Women remember those things) I would suppose he also has the support of our Republican Senators as well. Those home owners don't have deeper pockets than Uncle Sam.

[JimBianchi]

I want that park as much as every other shooter in the Valley, but I have little faith in our local elected officials. They'll fold quicker than the Debbie Reynolds Hollywood Hotel!

Do you want to place a friendly bet that the place isn't open by 2010? (three years to get their acts together)

Name your poison!

[heidit]

Yep! You can buy me a beer! I have little faith as well, in some, of our elected officials. But I think the project will be built. With any luck my friends company will get the bid and I will have access to information on the great progress they are making :cool:

[JimBianchi]

A beer it is.

Keep me up dated on the status. I have an M1 Garand that needs to stretch it's legs a bit and I hate driving to Boulder City!

[heidit]

An M1 nice. Now your just teaseing me! One of my friends has a beautiful M1A1. It's a kick in the butt to shoot and damm accurate.

[Slmpickins26]

From what I can gather this project has been in the works for 10 years. I guess some ARFcomer's tryied going to the meeting. But were not allowed to enter for some reason. Go figure. They don't want us to shoot in the desert. The imposed restriction's on Desert Sportsman. I guess they feel if they can't ban guns. They'll ban or restrict where we shoot. :steamed:

[heidit]

Well it depends on whom you talk to with regard to how long it's been in the works. I have been aware of the park idea for 8 or 9 years I guess. A guy name Chuck Musser (someone I have known for 20+ years) told me he and John Lee (D - legislative rep) worked on the project and introduced it for funding. Uncle Harry got on board and the project got some momentum and funding. Anyone can attend the shooting park committee meetings, I have been to several. I don't know if they take a lot of questions during the meeting because they are working but I'm pretty sure you could address anyone of them before or after. Don Turner, the project manager, is a very personable guy. He always returns my emails or calls. I'm not anyone special to him, so he must answer everything he can. I'll shoot an email or two to my friends on the committee and see what I can gather.

[heidit]

The email I received back was not informational but, I was told with regard to the meeting last week "Even though it ended up being a closed meeting, the presence of gun owners were very valuable and appreciated." I don't have any new news from the home owners but I'll keep my ear to the ground.

[Quiet]

www.lewrockwell.com/suprynowicz/suprynowicz76.html

[heidit]

Here is what I received today regard the shooting park:

OK everyone here we go attached below is the link to the Northwest Residents for Responsible Growth's Online Petition.I will monitor the Responses as to Pro / Con. just to keep them Honest.

They intend to ( stop / move ) the Clark County Shooting Park, and state that it can still be stopped.

Please take the time to voice your opinion. After you send your comment the next screen ask for a donation it's your choice, but why give them your hard earned dollars.

They also have an E-Mail to reply to. Fill up the website and E-Mail too.
Just remember to be kind to dumb animals, and those of limited cranial
capabilities.

Let's see if we can stop this in the bud, and maybe even shut down the server.

Just cut and paste them into your browser.

Here's the Online Petition link:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/noclarkcountyshootingpark/signatures-1.html

Here's the E-Mail:

nwrrglv@yahoo.com

[JimBianchi]

I posted a comment that I hope won't hurt to many feeling.

And if it does, tough sh@$.


Thanks for the update.