762x25 possible?

[JinVA]

Is there a way to get a glock conversion barrel in 7.62x25?

From my understanding the case head is similar in size to 9mm and the total length is shorter than a 45. So it should fit at least.

Anyone try it?

[danielsand]

One of my favorite calibers! I would like to know this too,...and I don't. :crying:

[MarcDW]

I would love a Glock in this caliber!
It's not only cheap to shoot, it's a great caliber from the ballistics too!
I would buy a Glock in a 17/19/26 frame in this calbier in a secound!
And yes, the button of the 7,62X25 is the same as a 9mm.
However it's quite a bit longer, so it would have to be the 10mm/.45 platform!

The only way I can see to have a barrel in this caliber would be if we get BarSto to make it.
I don't remember how many orders are needed.
I think it was like 250 barrels?!

[bassdeer]

I would buy one. Only problem is once word got out ammo would go up.

[brian923]

how about it lone wolf distributing:wavey:.......... a 7.62x25 long slide:whistling: i know of at least 3 people that would bye one...

[danielsand]

Hey LWD! Make a g24 non compensated, threaded, drop in barrel in 7.62X25 and I'll send 150 bucks in ADVANCE. :cool::cool:

[MarcDW]

Sorry to do this, but here you can see why it would not work:
http://www.mdwguns.com/alter_stand/762ammo.jpg

The 7,62X25 is just too long and Glock would have to make a special frame!
The market would be too small that Glock would come up with one to house the 7,62X25.

:crying:

[danielsand]

You are right.
I just tried to load 7.62x25 into the G17 mag. They ARE too long.
Too bad.
However, all 7,62x25 mags take 9mms without the problem.

[MarcDW]

...However, all 7,62x25 mags take 9mms without the problem.

Well, that does not really helps us!

[.45Super-Man]

The real question here is "why"?? If you checkout a ballistics chart it soon becomes evident that the 9mm can throw sub 90gr. bullets to velocities nearly identical to the 7.62x25.

[cyrsequipment]

The real question here is "why"?? If you checkout a ballistics chart it soon becomes evident that the 9mm can throw sub 90gr. bullets to velocities nearly identical to the 7.62x25.

Stop injecting logic into people's fantasy world.....

Now, when can I get my .44 Magnum Glock pistol?

[Texas357]

With modern powders, could we accomplish the same, with a 7.62x20? further neck down a .357SIG, or neck down a .45ACP that far? surely somebody has tried it...

[MarcDW]

There is the .400 Cabone.
That's a .45 ACP necked down to a .40 bullet.
I played with it in a USPc and a 1911.
Actually still have the barrels and some ammo if someone is interested.

[grendelbane]

There are several possibilities here. None of which I have actively explored.

One, go for a 7.65 Parabellum chamber. This will work in guns that shoot 9mm. No cheap ammo, in fact, not much ammo at all, but Starline does offer the brass.

Two, load the 7.62 x 25 shorter, or to the same length as 10mm and .45 ACP. With some of the new bullets, this should be pretty easy. However, you still won't be able to shoot that cheap surplus.

Three, file the front of your M1911 frame and squeeze your magazines so that they will accept longer cartridges. I have so far avoided this approach.

I am interested in hearing of other approaches.:dunno:

[Allman]

The real question here is "why"?? If you checkout a ballistics chart it soon becomes evident that the 9mm can throw sub 90gr. bullets to velocities nearly identical to the 7.62x25.
Bullet weights being the same , you, can't achieve the same BC and SD with a 9mm bullet as the 7.62 bullets. the 7.62 bullet will fly better for longer and penetrate better than the same weight 9mm, but it will also make a smaller hole.

At any normal self defense range against an unarmored target, a larger hole is probably desirable, but either should do pretty well at 1500+ fps.

[Jim Watson]

I think it is just terribly inconsiderate that none of the major manufacturers will tool up for an entirely new frame and magazine just so you can shoot cheap communist surplus 7.62x25. And if they did, they would probably charge more for it than communist surplus Tokarevs, CZ52s, and Chi Com Broomhandles. The nerve of those people.

[Texas357]

There is the .400 Cabone.
That's a .45 ACP necked down to a .40 bullet.
I played with it in a USPc and a 1911.
Actually still have the barrels and some ammo if someone is interested.

I've heard of .400 Cor-bon, but I'm wondering if someone has necked it down all the way to .357/9mm, or even farther, to .31/7.62. That would be one heck of a bottleneck, may not even need a feed-ramp.

Heck, even taking a .357 Sig, and necking it further down to .311, might lead to some interesting ballistics.

Not that we need it, but I am just curious to see how it behaves.

[cyrsequipment]

I've heard of .400 Cor-bon, but I'm wondering if someone has necked it down all the way to .357/9mm, or even farther, to .31/7.62. That would be one heck of a bottleneck, may not even need a feed-ramp.

Heck, even taking a .357 Sig, and necking it further down to .311, might lead to some interesting ballistics.

Not that we need it, but I am just curious to see how it behaves.


careful, you'll end up catching the "wildcat bug"

[Texas357]

I've heard of .400 Cor-bon, but I'm wondering if someone has necked it down all the way to .357/9mm, or even farther, to .31/7.62. That would be one heck of a bottleneck, may not even need a feed-ramp.

Heck, even taking a .357 Sig, and necking it further down to .311, might lead to some interesting ballistics.

Not that we need it, but I am just curious to see how it behaves.

careful, you'll end up catching the "wildcat bug"

And then, we take an all-brass 12 ga., neck it down to .45, and...

[cz93x62]

Most--if not all--9 x 19 Parabellum platforms can be adapted to the 30 Luger/7.65 Parabellum/7.65 x 21. I have one such pistol, the Ruger P-89X. It includes a swap barrel in 30 Luger with a lighter recoil spring (captive on guide rod) to run the lighter caliber. I have seen several Browning Hi-Powers in 30 Luger over the years, as well as one Colt steel Commander model (Series 70 variant) so chambered. All these examples run fine with 9mm magazines and 30 Luger cartridges--max cartridge OAL is the same.

Ballistically, the 30 Luger gives up little to the 7.62 x 25 Tokarev as factory loaded. NOT CHEAP TO BUY. If you reload your own, and use the heaver-rate 9mm recoil spring with th 30 Luger barrel/ammo, you can surpass stock 30 Luger ballistics and get close to CZ-52 level performance. I've run Hornady 85 grain XTPs to 1550 FPS in the Ruger P-89X with "Rated-R" loads of AA-7.

A couple years ago, I spoke with Irv Stone at Bar-Sto about swap barrels for 9mm's in 30 Luger. He liked the idea a lot, but his shop people stepped in and shot down the idea. Apparently Bar-Sto (and a few other aftermarket barrelmakers) have all they can do to meet demand for their products as catalogued now. One of the shop guys at Bar-Sto left me with the impression that he would like it a lot if I would just fark off and shut the h--l up.

Liners in existing 9mm barrels don't hold up--they shoot loose.

If LW or another barrelmaker would be interested in making up runs of 30 Luger barrels for any existing 9mm--I would buy a 9mm pistol to fit the 30 barrel. Yes, I'm a mid-caliber pistol addict. I have a Broomhandle, Tokarev, and CZ-52 in 30 Mauser/7.62 x 25, the Ruger P-89X, and even a M-1935 MAS pistol in 7.65 French. My initial thrust to Irv Stone was for the Glock 17 and SIG P-226, maybe Lone Wolf might get on board.

ETA--the 45 ACP slide travel length might not be enough for the 7.62 x 25. The 45 ACP runs a max length of 1.275" or so, while the Tokarev runs 1/10" longer at 1.375"-1.381" (depending on source). The 30 Mauser pre-dated the 30 Luger by 4 years, and I suspect the 30 Luger was designed around the likely over-length of the already-established 30 Mauser for the contemplated 7.65 and 9mm Luger rounds. The 7.62 Tokarev is the Soviet-plagiarized 30 Mauser, although they differ very slightly.

[charlie@overlan]

I have several pistols in 30 luger, 2 p-08`s, a Browning HP and a ruger P85 that came with 2 barrels and both use the same mag.I once had a 1911 that came out of china which was re barreled to 7.62x25 and it worked fine, but the 1911 mag is longer then a double stack nine. The conversion might work with something that took a long single stack mag. thnx