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MB-G26
02-14-2008, 01:27
Haven't had a chance to read through all of it yet, just saw it noted on another board. Attached here in pdf format as direct DL from the azleg.gov site. "HB 2833"

(partial quote/paste of text; sorry bout the line numbering at the far left edge - paste from pdf document)

1 Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
2 Section 1. Title 41, chapter 12, article 5, Arizona Revised Statutes,
3 is amended by adding section 41-1772, to read:

4 41-1772. Ammunition coding system database; sale of ammunition;
5 tax; fund; civil penalty; violation; classification;
6 definition
7 A. BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2009, A MANUFACTURER SHALL CODE ALL HANDGUN
8 AND ASSAULT WEAPON AMMUNITION THAT IS MANUFACTURED OR SOLD IN THIS STATE.
9 THIS SECTION APPLIES TO ALL CALIBERS.
10 B. BEGINNING JANUARY 1, 2011, A PRIVATE CITIZEN OR A RETAIL VENDOR
11 SHALL DISPOSE OF ALL NONCODED AMMUNITION THAT IS OWNED OR HELD BY THE CITIZEN
12 OR VENDOR.
13 C. THE DEPARTMENT SHALL ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN AN AMMUNITION CODING
14 SYSTEM DATABASE CONTAINING A MANUFACTURER REGISTRY AND A VENDOR REGISTRY.
15 D. A MANUFACTURER SHALL:
16 1. REGISTER WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN A MANNER PRESCRIBED BY THE
17 DEPARTMENT BY RULE.
18 2. MAINTAIN RECORDS ON THE BUSINESS PREMISES FOR AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS
19 CONCERNING ALL SALES, LOANS AND TRANSFERS OF AMMUNITION TO, FROM OR WITHIN
20 THIS STATE.
21 3. ENCODE AMMUNITION PROVIDED FOR RETAIL SALE FOR REGULATED FIREARMS
22 IN A MANNER THAT THE DIRECTOR ESTABLISHES SO THAT:
23 (a) THE BASE OF THE BULLET AND THE INSIDE OF THE CARTRIDGE CASING OF
24 EACH ROUND IN A BOX OF AMMUNITION ARE CODED WITH THE SAME SERIAL NUMBER.
25 (b) EACH SERIAL NUMBER IS ENGRAVED IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IT IS HIGHLY
26 LIKELY TO PERMIT IDENTIFICATION AFTER AMMUNITION DISCHARGE AND BULLET IMPACT.
27 (c) THE OUTSIDE OF EACH BOX OF AMMUNITION IS LABELED WITH THE NAME OF
28 THE MANUFACTURER AND THE SAME SERIAL NUMBER USED ON THE CARTRIDGE CASINGS AND
29 BASES OF BULLETS CONTAINED IN THE BOX.
30 4. PAY THE TAX LEVIED BY SUBSECTION I OF THIS SECTION.
31 E. A MANUFACTURER SHALL NOT LABEL AMMUNITION CONTAINED IN ONE
32 AMMUNITION BOX WITH THE SAME SERIAL NUMBER AS THE AMMUNITION CONTAINED IN
33 ANOTHER AMMUNITION BOX THAT IS PRODUCED BY THE SAME MANUFACTURER.
34 F. A VENDOR SHALL:
35 1. REGISTER WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN A MANNER PRESCRIBED BY THE
36 DEPARTMENT BY RULE.
. . .

Doc Holliday
02-14-2008, 07:12
This is such a joke it isn't funny. Obviously whoever wrote this piece of garbage knows NOTHING about guns. 25b will be a physical impossibility most of the time.

They're going to need a bigger bullet to engrave these numbers onto, the serial numbers are going to get big QUICK. And what happens when the ammo is resold to another user?

This bill is a useless waste of time.

jaws48
02-14-2008, 17:47
Is this something like they passed in CA?

Daryl in Az
02-15-2008, 10:34
Is this something like they passed in CA?

No. The microstamping bill in California dictates that all handguns have a microstamped number on the firing pin and chamber that will mark the case of any catridge fired from it. It's easily filed off, or changed from changing a barrel and/or firing pin.

The Az bill would require a unique serial number on each cartridge, which is pretty rediculous. The numbers would get large quick, and there's only so much room on a bullet to engrave a number.

It's basically a plan to ban ammunition, since no manufacturer produces the proposed ammo.

Daryl

lordjim_2001
02-15-2008, 13:56
....

It's basically a plan to ban ammunition, since no manufacturer produces the proposed ammo.

Daryl

It's also a plan to make the one company that makes the engraving tools lots of money. It's shady in two ways people.

jaws48
02-15-2008, 17:51
Thanks...guess we'd better get busy and start writing to everyone we can at the statehouse!

SlammedDime
02-15-2008, 18:03
Our Gov may be a democrat, but I can't see her passing something like this piece of garbage.

cactusman
02-16-2008, 00:11
A few years ago something like this would never have even been considered in this state. :steamed:

jaws48
02-16-2008, 08:08
Any idea which of our legislators is sponsoring this POS?

Sam Spade
02-16-2008, 10:18
Any idea which of our legislators is sponsoring this POS?

Wanna bet me that there's a "(D)" in the title? C'mon, bet me. What, no guts? betbetbetbetbetbet.

CHICKEN! ;)



http://www.azleg.gov/DocumentsForBill.asp?Bill_Number=HB2833

(5 for 5, BTW)

SundevilFan
02-17-2008, 15:34
I just found out about this proposed bill in another forum. It's important for all Arizona residents to contact their representatives immediately! I will be on the phone first thing tomorrow!

jaws48
02-17-2008, 18:12
Sam,
Thanks for the link. Interesting to see the kind of bills these 5 sponsor....most look to be "feel good bills" that will get in the tax payers pocket!

Lone_Wolfe
02-18-2008, 21:34
This id the most asinine, rediculous bill I think I've ever seen! :steamed: