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Damn the Man
02-15-2008, 22:15
I'll be moving this summer to North Carolina, and I'm dizzy trying to read the rules about gun ownership on their state website. Can someone who knows the plain English of it help me understand. I've lived in Montana where basically you assumed everyone was carrying concealed and no records were required for private sales. I got most of my guns all my life 2nd hand through the newspaper ads. I've lived in Colorado's Western Slopes for the last 5 years with basically the same rules. The only exception really is private sales at gun shows require background checks (but strangely no records required for newspaper ads), and you need to get a permit "on demand" from the Sheriff. Mine took about 4 minutes to acquire.

My specific questions are:

1)What type of "records" do private sales involve? You need a "permit" from the Sheriff to get a private sale purchase of a handgun but not a long gun? Does that involve the standard ATF background check? Like, does the Sheriff do it then gives you a permit or something? What's this permit thing all about with handgun sales? You need one whether buying from FFL's or private, right?

2)Are private sales allowed at gun shows without background checks? Permits are required for hand guns again, right? But not long or assaults?

I've been trying to figure these things out via Google, but its confusing.

Bosko
02-16-2008, 04:25
http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/ncfirearmslaws.pdf.

While private transfers are not regulated by federal law, they are under state law. Of course, this law is violated in the parking lot of every gun show. The safest course of action is to obtain identification from anyone who sells you a firearm, in case it comes back stolen. Personally, I would not transfer a handgun to anyone who does not have a Sheriff's permit or Concealed Handgun Permit. But, that's just me. Better to err on the side of caution. That said, welcome to North Carolina.

8W56
02-16-2008, 07:32
I'll be moving this summer to North Carolina, and I'm dizzy trying to read the rules about gun ownership on their state website. Can someone who knows the plain English of it help me understand. I've lived in Montana where basically you assumed everyone was carrying concealed and no records were required for private sales. I got most of my guns all my life 2nd hand through the newspaper ads. I've lived in Colorado's Western Slopes for the last 5 years with basically the same rules. The only exception really is private sales at gun shows require background checks (but strangely no records required for newspaper ads), and you need to get a permit "on demand" from the Sheriff. Mine took about 4 minutes to acquire.

My specific questions are:

1)What type of "records" do private sales involve? You need a "permit" from the Sheriff to get a private sale purchase of a handgun but not a long gun? Does that involve the standard ATF background check? Like, does the Sheriff do it then gives you a permit or something? What's this permit thing all about with handgun sales? You need one whether buying from FFL's or private, right?

2)Are private sales allowed at gun shows without background checks? Permits are required for hand guns again, right? But not long or assaults?

I've been trying to figure these things out via Google, but its confusing.


While a permit is not really required for a private sale it's always a good idea just as a CYA. I've bought and traded plenty of guns from individuals and never had a permit for them. They are required for all FFL purchases. You get them from the Sheriff in the county that you will reside in. In my county you can walk in and walk out with it in less than 10min but some of the larger counties can take longer. There is not a permit requirement for any kind of long gun or assault rifle.

RichardB
02-16-2008, 08:03
http://www.ncrpa.org/

waterdude
02-16-2008, 10:40
Yea, what Bosko said.

Damn the Man
02-17-2008, 03:57
Thanks all. It's so curious to me how the handguns got the smackdown by the law, yet the long/assaults are on the opposite end of the spectrum. I've never seen anything so convoluted. I've lived in rural "crime free" areas where virtually everyone's got handguns on or about them. We buy and sell them in the local paper here. I just want to know what's expected of me out there, ya know?

8W56, what county are you in out there that is that laid back that they issue the permits so hassle-free? Doesn't the Sheriff do an "background check" when issuing them? I'm moving to Buncombe County; the Asheville area. Are they the horrible "liberal" types they're made out to be?

8W56
02-17-2008, 09:35
Thanks all. It's so curious to me how the handguns got the smackdown by the law, yet the long/assaults are on the opposite end of the spectrum. I've never seen anything so convoluted. I've lived in rural "crime free" areas where virtually everyone's got handguns on or about them. We buy and sell them in the local paper here. I just want to know what's expected of me out there, ya know?

8W56, what county are you in out there that is that laid back that they issue the permits so hassle-free? Doesn't the Sheriff do an "background check" when issuing them? I'm moving to Buncombe County; the Asheville area. Are they the horrible "liberal" types they're made out to be?


I'm in Haywood County (next county over from Buncombe). I get them very easy because I am LEO and they all know me. The average person can still get one fairly easy. They do a check through NCIC and AOC to check for anything that will disqualify you. If nothing comes up it's signed and handed to you. I am not sure how Sheriff Duncan is with his department but I can only imagine he is much better than the former Sheriff who is about to be sent to club fed for corruption and gambling charges.

RichardB
02-17-2008, 10:34
"Thanks all. It's so curious to me how the handguns got the smackdown by the law, yet the long/assaults are on the opposite end of the spectrum. "

The concealablity of handguns for use by (potential) criminals.

Glocks&Ducs
02-18-2008, 17:25
While a permit is not really required for a private sale it's always a good idea just as a CYA. I've bought and traded plenty of guns from individuals and never had a permit for them. They are required for all FFL purchases. You get them from the Sheriff in the county that you will reside in. In my county you can walk in and walk out with it in less than 10min but some of the larger counties can take longer. There is not a permit requirement for any kind of long gun or assault rifle.


Not sure where you got your information from. But our state law clearly requires that a "permit to purchase a handgun", or concealed handgun permit be used when a handgun is traded, gifted, or sold within the state. If you are the seller, you must keep the permit of the person who bought the gun from you. Unless they posess a CHP, then you are only required to write up a bill of sale with that persons CHP number on it. There is an exception for LEOs, provided they are buying the gun for performance of their duties.

8W56
02-18-2008, 18:29
Not sure where you got your information from. But our state law clearly requires that a "permit to purchase a handgun", or concealed handgun permit be used when a handgun is traded, gifted, or sold within the state. If you are the seller, you must keep the permit of the person who bought the gun from you. Unless they posess a CHP, then you are only required to write up a bill of sale with that persons CHP number on it. There is an exception for LEOs, provided they are buying the gun for performance of their duties.

I see you are right on that one. I dont know how many times I have traded, bought and sold guns without one. But on the flip side of that I am Police and it has always been between other Officers so we did not violate any laws according to the AG document that I just read. I have been told many times by people with FFL's that they were not needed for private transfers. The easiest thing to do here is get a CCW permit because it prevents you from needing to buy permits every time you want a handgun.

Glocks&Ducs
02-18-2008, 18:37
I see you are right on that one. I dont know how many times I have traded, bought and sold guns without one. But on the flip side of that I am Police and it has always been between other Officers so we did not violate any laws according to the AG document that I just read. I have been told many times by people with FFL's that they were not needed for private transfers. The easiest thing to do here is get a CCW permit because it prevents you from needing to buy permits every time you want a handgun.

That depends on how many guns you plan on buying. A CHP is good for five years. Mine cost about $250 to get, once all was said and done. At $5 a permit, I would have to buy 50 guns to break even. Granted that number goes down a little, when you count the $10 police record check fee. But not by much. Especially considering, that not all counties charge a police check fee. Which I still don't understand. Why the hell doesn't the Sheriff have the ability to do record checks on their own? Why do I have to go to the courthouse 50 steps away and pay another $10?

Bosko
02-19-2008, 17:05
Everybody wants to drink from the pond. The Stokes County Sheriff's Office requires CHP applicants to go to the Clerk of the Court (same building - 1 flight up) and pay $15.00 (up from $10.00) for a criminal history check. This record will reflect either no arrests in only Stokes County or provide a record of arrests, again only in Stokes County. The Sheriff's DCI Terminal Operator can do the same thing by inquiring of the North Carolina Administrative Office of the Courts. The DCI Terminal Operator may request a criminal defendant name check for a specific county (Stokes) or search state wide.

Glocks&Ducs
02-19-2008, 18:21
Everybody wants to drink from the pond. The Stokes County Sheriff's Office requires CHP applicants to go to the Clerk of the Court (same building - 1 flight up) and pay $15.00 (up from $10.00) for a criminal history check. This record will reflect either no arrests in only Stokes County or provide a record of arrests, again only in Stokes County. The Sheriff's DCI Terminal Operator can do the same thing by inquiring of the North Carolina Administrative Office of the Courts. The DCI Terminal Operator may request a criminal defendant name check for a specific county (Stokes) or search state wide.

What they are doing ought to be illegal. They aren't providing a service, they are creating a need where there is none. And it is purely for the sake of making a buck. I was even talking to a girl at a gun shop one day, and she said they wouldn't take her record check that she had just gotten about three days earlier for a job. They forced her to get a new record check.

Thx-1138
02-19-2008, 20:00
In Wake County, it takes time for the background check for a pistol purchase permit. I'm not sure how long, but I've heard it can be several weeks.

You can get up to five purchase permits at a single time.


If you have a CHP, you don't need to get purchase permits.


There is nothing you need to do about firearms you bring into the state when you move.

Bosko
02-19-2008, 20:46
G&D, Have you heard the one about the man driving through Nevada? He stopped for gas at a little place out in the middle of nowhere. While paying for his gas and grabbing a cold drink, he noticed that there were men in the back room playing roulette. After watching for a while, it became apparent to him that the roulette wheel was crooked. He remarked to a spectator, "Don't you people know that the wheel is fixed?" "Yes", the spectator replied, "but it's the only wheel we have." Moral of the story: You gotta know when to hold 'em. You gotta know when to fold 'em (Kenny Rodgers).

Damn the Man
02-20-2008, 02:30
So the experiences vary by county apparently? I'm moving to Asheville. What will getting a CHL involve? Price, etc.?

I have an old deferred and later dismissed charge from a while back where I live now. I've always wondered about the "criminal check" and how they define things like "drug and alcohol user and/or addict" (mine was a possession charge). I've never seen the interpretation of that one; like are you "for life" is you "were" a user that was caught (three years sober now, BTW). Just wondering. Thanks all for the info.

Glocks&Ducs
02-20-2008, 12:13
So the experiences vary by county apparently? I'm moving to Asheville. What will getting a CHL involve? Price, etc.?

I have an old deferred and later dismissed charge from a while back where I live now. I've always wondered about the "criminal check" and how they define things like "drug and alcohol user and/or addict" (mine was a possession charge). I've never seen the interpretation of that one; like are you "for life" is you "were" a user that was caught (three years sober now, BTW). Just wondering. Thanks all for the info.

Don't know how it would be in that county, or the answer to your specific question. But I had to get a police check from every county I had lived in for the past ten years, which stretched from California to Illinois and back here to NC due to being in the military. And I paid $125 for the class, then later found out I could have gotten the same thing for $50 somewhere else. So definitely shop around when it comes to the class.

Glocks&Ducs
02-20-2008, 12:14
G&D, Have you heard the one about the man driving through Nevada? He stopped for gas at a little place out in the middle of nowhere. While paying for his gas and grabbing a cold drink, he noticed that there were men in the back room playing roulette. After watching for a while, it became apparent to him that the roulette wheel was crooked. He remarked to a spectator, "Don't you people know that the wheel is fixed?" "Yes", the spectator replied, "but it's the only wheel we have." Moral of the story: You gotta know when to hold 'em. You gotta know when to fold 'em (Kenny Rodgers).

Yep. I know the story. But that doesn't have to stop me from pointing out that our system is run by crooks.

Damn the Man
02-20-2008, 15:07
Oh, I see. The class was half of that $250. So all those other background checks must have added up too, huh? Then the license had a fee?

I'm taking a "defensive driving" class right now for a reduced ticket; don't get me started on paying someone money to show me how to use something I've been using for 20+ years.

NC Bullseye
02-20-2008, 15:54
So the experiences vary by county apparently? I'm moving to Asheville. What will getting a CHL involve? Price, etc.?

I have an old deferred and later dismissed charge from a while back where I live now. I've always wondered about the "criminal check" and how they define things like "drug and alcohol user and/or addict" (mine was a possession charge). I've never seen the interpretation of that one; like are you "for life" is you "were" a user that was caught (three years sober now, BTW). Just wondering. Thanks all for the info.

Here is a link to a thread in which I have provided the NC state requirements to obtain a CHP. Just to save a little space here instead of duplicating the info again.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=826036

Many sheriffs offices have web sites and will list their requirements they have to obtain a CHP.

Good luck and welcome to Tar Heel country!

Here is another link that may help. Found it after I posted the above.

http://www.buncombecounty.org/living/safety/sheriff.htm#gunPermit

jpr9954
02-20-2008, 20:56
I'm in Haywood County (next county over from Buncombe). I get them very easy because I am LEO and they all know me. The average person can still get one fairly easy. They do a check through NCIC and AOC to check for anything that will disqualify you. If nothing comes up it's signed and handed to you. I am not sure how Sheriff Duncan is with his department but I can only imagine he is much better than the former Sheriff who is about to be sent to club fed for corruption and gambling charges.

I live in Haywood County as well. I just picked up 4 permits this morning. What took the longest amount of time was me filling out 4 sets of forms. I've never had any troubles with the Haywood County Sheriffs Office on getting a permit and everyone is nice as can be to me - and they don't know me and I'm not law enforcement.

As to Buncombe County, my only dealings with them were recently when my car got broken into by thieves. They were very professional. They followed up on the original report and we very helpful when I needed to get a copy of the report for my insurance company.

John

Grayson
02-22-2008, 20:11
So the experiences vary by county apparently? I'm moving to Asheville. What will getting a CHL involve? Price, etc.?

Price...IIRC, is $90, plus $10 for fingerprints, plus whatever you have to pay for the class. Mayland Community College is "sorta" close to Asheville (the Yancey campus) at least, and they do it somewhat often. Don't recall cost, but I'm pretty sure it's less than $100.

...Then again, they may only offer the CCW class on the AVERY campus, which is a helluva long way out of your way. ;) There are probably ranges in the city where you can take it.

Oh, and Asheville Mayor Bellamy, the last I checked, is part of His Lordship Mayor Bloombergs "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" coalition....:cuss:

I just read a sickening account on THR of a Marine that was denied a purchase permit because the butt-ferret of a sheriff where he's at (around Jacksonville, I suppose) makes applicants bring THREE LETTERS of reccomendation, plus a letter from their CO if they're military...

Here in Mitchell it's generally an "in and out" process, but then, I've lived here my whole life. :dunno:

Good luck, and welcome! We ain't real good on gun laws, but I guess we don't TOTALLY suck, and we can always use more pro-gun people in this State to tell our elected leaders that we need to suck a lot LESS! :supergrin:

Calculated
02-23-2008, 06:46
Go to On Target in Asheville off of Sweeten Creek Rd. and take the CCW class from Jeff and his wife. It's gonna take most of the day and will cost $60 for the class and $90 for the permit itself.

Glocks&Ducs
02-23-2008, 11:20
...

I just read a sickening account on THR of a Marine that was denied a purchase permit because the butt-ferret of a sheriff where he's at (around Jacksonville, I suppose) makes applicants bring THREE LETTERS of reccomendation, plus a letter from their CO if they're military...

Here in Mitchell it's generally an "in and out" process, but then, I've lived here my whole life. :dunno:

...


While I do believe the process here is retarded, the Sheriff is a Democrat after all, I have a problem with the statement that the kid was denied a permit for the above mentioned reason.

He wasn't denied a permit, he wasn't applying for one properly in the first place. And he simply has to jump through more hoops to get it. The extra hoops being the CO letter, and also the Military Police have to run a background check and sign off on that same letter. It is a base order. And it makes sense, because you can get in trouble on base for gun buying disqualifying factors(let's say domestic violence), and it never gets reported to civilian authorities.

In Onslow county, everyone has to fill out the same form. It includes all the normal stuff, and at the bottom there are three places for three people to sign a small statement stating they know you and believe you are of good moral character. It has nothing to do with getting three letters. And someone in the military simply has one more letter to add to that application. The one from the CO/MPs.

RichardB
02-23-2008, 12:35
Firearms on all miltary bases are closely tracked and regulated. So requiring a CO's Ok for purchase is not unexpected. As noted, often disqualifying information is not available to civilian authorities. (information regarding recent murder of pregnant Marine is an example).

grit
02-23-2008, 13:08
Go to On Target in Asheville off of Sweeten Creek Rd. and take the CCW class from Jeff and his wife. It's gonna take most of the day and will cost $60 for the class and $90 for the permit itself.

I got mine there as well. He's a great guy and does a nice job. You can finish the firing part of the course right there at his range.

Guitar4Him
03-13-2008, 09:54
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