Glock 18's can not be sold to the public.

[r2kba]

You can't have one. Period.







(This would make a great sticky.)

[DaleGribble]

Define public?

:supergrin:

[r2kba]

Define public?

:supergrin:



AKA, expensive FFL holding Elitist bast........

Oh yeah you mean 07s:tongueout:

[Dean]

If you want a machine gun, go ahead and get one. Do the neccessary paperwork and pay the fees, and get an M-60. Or a fully automatic Glock.

You don't need it, to protect your home or for concealed carry. Cops have machine guns. They never use them. The NYPD's ESU officers have never fired an MP-5 on full auto at a suspect. I think they've had them on the trucks for about twenty - five years.

[r2kba]

If you want a machine gun, go ahead and get one. Do the neccessary paperwork and pay the fees, and get an M-60. Or a fully automatic Glock.

You don't need it, to protect your home or for concealed carry. Cops have machine guns. They never use them. The NYPD's ESU officers have never fired an MP-5 on full auto at a suspect. I think they've had them on the trucks for about twenty - five years.



Uhh yer missing the point of this thread. You can't buy a Glock18.

M60, sure. G18, Nope. ( in the USA )

[jbylake]

One of the few things I miss since retiring form military. Occasionally playing with full auto. Doesn't matter to me now, that I can't have one. Couldn't afford to shoot it anyway....

:wow:

j.

[Hozer]

The only people in the US qualified to own G-18s are class III dealers, manufactures and LEO depts and Military organizations.

No G-18s were ever imported in time to be avail for civilian sale.

You cant pay the $200 fee and buy one. No amount of paperwork short of becoming a class III dealer will get you one.

[CAR-AR-M16]

The only people in the US qualified to own G-18s are class III dealers, manufactures and LEO depts and Military organizations.

No G-18s were ever imported in time to be avail for civilian sale.

You cant pay the $200 fee and buy one. No amount of paperwork short of becoming a class III dealer will get you one.

And even the C3 Dealer would need a demo letter from a PD requesting one. An 07/02 manufacturer could build his own, but it would be a post sample MG available only to Mil/LE agencies.

[Glockdude1]

Airsoft. Only way you get to own a G18.

:supergrin:

[Jason 209]

Learn to bump fire a G17. Or maybe become a Class 2 manufacturer and convert a G17 to selectfire and have a bit of fun with it before selling it to a Class 3 dealer or PD. Or pray that the '86 ban gets lifted sometime in our lifetimes.

[MakeMineaP99]

Or pray that the '86 ban gets lifted sometime in our lifetimes.

DC v. Heller, the beginning of the end.

[Glockdude1]

Learn to bump fire a G17. Or maybe become a Class 2 manufacturer and convert a G17 to selectfire and have a bit of fun with it before selling it to a Class 3 dealer or PD. Or pray that the '86 ban gets lifted sometime in our lifetimes.

How about a bump stick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3y2Cp0pKwA

:supergrin:

[MSgt Dotson]

How about a bump stick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3y2Cp0pKwA

:supergrin:

Only a matter of time before the infamous BATFE finds a reason to ban this "piece of wood with a trigger potrusion", or, worse, yet, define it *AS* a machine gun loophole...

THey are indeed *THAT* anal......

[ctaggart]

How about a bump stick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3y2Cp0pKwA

:supergrin:

That doesn't look safe to me...But it does look like fun.

[MakeMineaP99]

Only a matter of time before the infamous BATFE finds a reason to ban this "piece of wood with a trigger potrusion", or, worse, yet, define it *AS* a machine gun loophole...

THey are indeed *THAT* anal......

If Akins and a shoe string were classified as a MG, this bump stick will be classified as a MG, give ATF a couple months.

[sgtlmj]

You don't need it, to protect your home or for concealed carry. Cops have machine guns. They never use them. The NYPD's ESU officers have never fired an MP-5 on full auto at a suspect. I think they've had them on the trucks for about twenty - five years.

+1

Our sheriff's dept got a bunch of select-fire Colt Commandos for the entry team. They have trained with them a couple times on f/a, but the ammo and training commitment is too high. They are even afraid to let the deps take them home, so they stay locked in a safe. Could've just bought the semi versions and saved a lot of trouble.

[OEF_VET]

+1

Our sheriff's dept got a bunch of select-fire Colt Commandos for the entry team. They have trained with them a couple times on f/a, but the ammo and training commitment is too high. They are even afraid to let the deps take them home, so they stay locked in a safe. Could've just bought the semi versions and saved a lot of trouble.

The Sheriff's Department may have been given those rifles, free of charge, by the US government. The Feds routinely give local PD's former military guns. It gets the PD's free guns, and it's a great way to make use of guns the military no longer needs. If that's the case, the Sheriff's Department saved a lot of money by getting those, rather than having to buy new, semi-auto rifles.

[UZIFORME]

+1

Our sheriff's dept got a bunch of select-fire Colt Commandos for the entry team. They have trained with them a couple times on f/a, but the ammo and training commitment is too high. They are even afraid to let the deps take them home, so they stay locked in a safe. Could've just bought the semi versions and saved a lot of trouble.


Your dept. guns can be blocked to semi auto only for about $15/weapon.

[OEF_VET]

Your dept. guns can be blocked to semi auto only for about $15/weapon.

Yeah, just replace a few of the fire components, such as the sear and the safety, and they're semi-auto only.

However, it is important that you realize that they will ALWAYS be machine guns. Regardless of how many rounds they fire per pull of the trigger, they will ALWAYS be considered machine guns by BATFE because they are registered as such. NFA 34 and BATFE say that once a machine gun, always a machine gun.

[CAR-AR-M16]

However, it is important that you realize that they will ALWAYS be machine guns. Regardless of how many rounds they fire per pull of the trigger, they will ALWAYS be considered machine guns by BATFE because they are registered as such. NFA 34 and BATFE say that once a machine gun, always a machine gun.

If these weapons were acquired from the military through their 1033 program then they still belong to the military and are just on indefinite loan. They do not belong to the PD and cannot be sold. If the military requests that they be returned, they will want them back in the same configuration as they were issued, so do not get rid of any of the parts you swap out.

http://www.nlectc.org/equipment/1033.html

[RenegadeGlocker]

For years, I did not think I could buy one either, yet here it is. Nothing motivates me more than being told "You can't do that".

http://tradecraft.us/avi/Glock18C.jpg

[r2kba]

For years, I did not think I could buy one either, yet here it is. Nothing motivates me more than being told "You can't do that".


Dealers / FFL's / cops don't count.

[UZIFORME]

Regular folks can have them in some other countries.

[Azjeeper]

What countries?

[Jason 209]

Pakistan

[Azjeeper]

Ok What 1st world countries?

[Andrewsky]

Ok What 1st world countries?

Venezuela.

[sig550]

Belgium as a collector

[BeltfedMG]

Pay your $500 yr for SOT and get whatever guns you want, but it better not be to "Better your collection" or atleast thats what it better not look like to ATFE. Your supposed to do it to make $ and as a buisness, otherwise your in trouble.

Its more headache then i want to dfeal with. I got 2 FFL's and just buy transferrables that anyone can own, more expensive but less headache. I have several buddies that are SOT's and get to shoot G18's all the time, they are a hoot. But if you arent a SOT you CAN NOT have one, if you have to ask what a SOT is....your not one and cant have one so dont worry.

[Northalius]

If owning firearms is our right, then what gives government power to restrict our right? The 2nd Amendment was put in place to show our government that they're to not even dream of restricting civilians' right to firearms! That includes MILITARY firearms. What do you think the founding fathers had in their hands when they fought for independence? Their own domestic military's firearm! Therefore, we're allowed, by TRUE law (read 2nd Amendment) to own full auto M-16s, full auto AK-47's, Glock 18's, M-60s, etc.

Any government stepping in and restricting this right, is literally a criminal government, and breaking the law (read: 2nd Amendment).

So, when are the people going to stand up and protest against this criminal government? Protest for our true right to bear arms!

If owning firearms was a privilege, then restricting would be accepted. However, owning firearms is our right. There's a huge difference.

Who gives government the 'right' to restrict that which was put in place to protect civilians against government to begin with? That's amazing how people let this crap happen.

There're 80 million American gun owners; if we all protested at the same time, the government'd be forced to listen! Protest night and day. Let's set this up! Set up the 80 Million Gunowners March protest for our right to own any gun we choose to, not what the government chooses for us.

Now give me my Glock 18, TYVM! :cool:

[BeltfedMG]

Im in, so far were up to 2 man march.....we already have the "Million man march" numbers beat from yrs ago HA

[Northalius]

Im in, so far were up to 2 man march.....we already have the "Million man march" numbers beat from yrs ago HA

Two are better than one. :supergrin:

[figment]

Nothing motivates me more than being told "You can't do that". You can not give me that gun. Period.

[DenaliPark]

I hope that SCOTUS corrects this gross injustice with the Heller episode. It just burns my backside that my 17 cannot be legally converted to select fire.
This whole area of Federal law violates our 2nd Amendment rights. This at any rate is the hope I hold forth regarding Heller.

[freakshow10mm]

I'm applying for my 07/02. Wish me luck!

[Yellowfin]

Only a matter of time before the infamous BATFE finds a reason to ban this "piece of wood with a trigger potrusion", or, worse, yet, define it *AS* a machine gun loophole...

THey are indeed *THAT* anal......
Hence their more appropriate name of the Bureau of Unmilitarized Longguns Lagers Spirits Handguns Incendiaries and Tobacco.

[PAGunner]

DC v. Heller, the beginning of the end.

Me and my dad debated this today, he seems to think that it is indeed the beginning of the end, since the supreme court can rule as broadly as they see fit. I have hope, but I think DC v. Heller will still leave many questions unanswered.

[Northalius]

There'll never be true hope in my heart for full gun ownership... until I see We The People as a whole WAKE UP and STAND UP, and constantly protest the criminal government(s) that illegally think they have some "right" to restrict certain auto firearms from our law-abiding, non-criminal hands. Until the day I see over 200+ million American standing up and truly taking advantage of their 1st Amendment right to protest the government (peaceably, of course :wavey:), and STOP 'dimwittedly' RELYING upon GOVERNMENT to interpret the Bill of Rights, which was written in OPPOSITION to government? Then there'll never be hope for our Right to Keep and Bear Arms, in the true spirit of the 2nd Amendment.

The Bill of Rights was written as LAW that government must OBEY! Not supposedly written for government to interpret what they think is correct! :rofl: That's the funniest @#$% I've read in so long, if not, in my whole life. Yet, very, very sad that people actually let this garbage go on!

Do I have a right to twist and turn... er, I mean "interpret" the law they give me, if I break it? :rofl:

Wake up, people... WAKE UP!

The Peoples' liberty relies solely on the PEOPLE THEMSELVES to protect... NOT GOVERNMENT!

We're the police of the Bill of Rights. If the government breaks that Bill of Rights, then they need to be punished.

Words of wisdom from long ago:

"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people (judges, and politicians) alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree." - Thomas Jefferson

[leitung]

If owning firearms is our right, then what gives government power to restrict our right? The 2nd Amendment was put in place to show our government that they're to not even dream of restricting civilians' right to firearms! That includes MILITARY firearms. What do you think the founding fathers had in their hands when they fought for independence? Their own domestic military's firearm! Therefore, we're allowed, by TRUE law (read 2nd Amendment) to own full auto M-16s, full auto AK-47's, Glock 18's, M-60s, etc.

Any government stepping in and restricting this right, is literally a criminal government, and breaking the law (read: 2nd Amendment).

So, when are the people going to stand up and protest against this criminal government? Protest for our true right to bear arms!

If owning firearms was a privilege, then restricting would be accepted. However, owning firearms is our right. There's a huge difference.

Who gives government the 'right' to restrict that which was put in place to protect civilians against government to begin with? That's amazing how people let this crap happen.

There're 80 million American gun owners; if we all protested at the same time, the government'd be forced to listen! Protest night and day. Let's set this up! Set up the 80 Million Gunowners March protest for our right to own any gun we choose to, not what the government chooses for us.

Now give me my Glock 18, TYVM! :cool:


These are wise words.. We have the RIGHT to own weapons at the same level as the military.:cool:

[freakshow10mm]

No, the military may be allowed to own the same weapons as us. The military is part of the government. The government is subordinate to the people.

[novaDAK]

No, the military may be allowed to own the same weapons as us. The military is part of the government. The government is subordinate to the people.

"We're the government, we make the laws, we print the money, and we breed the super soldiers. So go home, learn to live with it, pay your taxes. And remember: you didn't hear anything about super soldiers."

[freakshow10mm]

How foolish they are.

[lastevolution]

You can get a G18.

It's just a long and expensive process.

[11P&Y]

Anyone want a G18?? they are about 500 dollars here in Iraq. I can buy it for you and send pictures of your investment, but do not know how i would get it home... :)

[freakshow10mm]

They are about $3200 here for a post 86 sample.

[Glockdude1]

Anyone want a G18?? they are about 500 dollars here in Iraq. I can buy it for you and send pictures of your investment, but do not know how i would get it home... :)

I'll trade you my avatar for a G18!!!

J/K.......

E-mail in bound......

:supergrin:

[canopy2k]

You can get a G18.

It's just a long and expensive process.

Are you a SOT? No?
Do you live in the U.S.? Yes?
Are you intending to break the law? No?

Then you CAN'T. Period. I don't care how much time and money you have.

c2k

[Rémy]

Why do you want a full auto Glock?
It doesn't make any sense. It's nearly impossible to safely hit a target in full auto mode.
I was a machine gunner in the military... a burst is 3-5 bullets... 3/4 hit the target - if you are lying on the floor, breathing correct and stay "relaxed".

During war it doesn't matter what the other 1/4 of the burst hit... but in a civilized part of the world you will definitly have to justify why you hit some innocent guy too.

So for me ( a guy who shot thousands of rounds with full auto weapons in the military) a full auto Glock doesn't make any sense.
The Glock 18 is a very special weapon for very special situations.

[canopy2k]

It's nearly impossible to safely hit a target in full auto mode.


Just out of curiosity, have you ever fired a full-auto Glock? I doubt it. I can easily keep 33rds on target out of a converted G17. I have also done mag dumps with my g30 and kept all 10 rds on target. And thats .45ACP in a subcompact pistol. Glock F/A is surprisingly easy to control.


The Glock 18 is a very special weapon for very special situations.

I agree 100%. A friend of mine who manufactures the sears to convert them, sold a few to some rural PDs. Their backup can be 30 minutes or more away. Thought process, you stop a load of thugs on a back country road (or anywhere where its just you and them) they step out and pop a couple rounds at you. You flick the switch to F/A and rain down a mag at them while you run for cover.

This is NOT a scenario that would present well in a populated area. But, for one man against many, it may buy him a few seconds to keep him alive.

c2k

[Glockdude1]

Just out of curiosity, have you ever fired a full-auto Glock? I doubt it. I can easily keep 33rds on target out of a converted G17. I have also done mag dumps with my g30 and kept all 10 rds on target. And thats .45ACP in a subcompact pistol. Glock F/A is surprisingly easy to control.



I agree 100%. A friend of mine who manufactures the sears to convert them, sold a few to some rural PDs. Their backup can be 30 minutes or more away. Thought process, you stop a load of thugs on a back country road (or anywhere where its just you and them) they step out and pop a couple rounds at you. You flick the switch to F/A and rain down a mag at them while you run for cover.

This is NOT a scenario that would present well in a populated area. But, for one man against many, it may buy him a few seconds to keep him alive.

c2k

:agree:

[Silent_Runner]

Who in the hell can afford to feed a full auto anymore anyways?!?!?!?! :steamed:

[Rémy]

A full auto pistole is not suited for normal military use... a pistole can only be your backup weapon and you don't want to shoot all your ammo just on one person.
That's why I never got one (in fact I had to use my Steyr AUG as a backup weapon :) ).

But I know that the Glock is - for a full auto weapon - quite easy to handle.
The only problem is that civilists tend to do what we call "arabian fire" (that means shooting without being in a correct shooting position, without aiming and often even without seeing the target correct).
You can see that in a lot of youTube videos about the Glock 18 and other full auto weapons. They shoot a single "burst" until the mag is empty - so stupid.

In a real combat situation you will definitly not shoot like you did on the range.
Lots of bullets which hit the target on the range will fail to do so in combat. Even a well trained soldier will miss some of them.

The only problem ist that YOU and only YOU are responsible for every bullet. It's not war and you can't shoot innocent people because some of the bullets you shot in full auto mode missed your target.

There's no need for a full auto pistole for everyone. If you aim correct even a single shot will strike your opponent down. If you don't aim correct then you better not shoot because every bullet that doesn't hit your opponent WILL hit something other.