Internal Lasermax Opinions

[CCWMike]

If you have an Internal Lasermax on your Glock please post your
opinions, likes, dislikes as I am thinking of adding one to my G27

Also, any negatives to adding this Laser to the mini Glocks?... G26 or G27

Thanks in advance!

[RayB]

No experience with the mini Glocks, but we have LaserMax in our G19 & G21.

I was so pleased with the unit in my G21, I bought one for Judy's G19.

Over thousands of rounds, the unit in my G21 occasionally turns itself on during firing (NBD to me).

Over thousands of rounds, the unit in Judy's G19 has been flawless.

With LaserMax there is no impact to the gun's ergonomics or appearance, and most holsters accommodate it.

Both units were plenty accurate, right out of the box. Rounds hit 1/4" above the dot, right to the back of the range.

Both units have held zero with no issues.

The laser is plenty bright for indoor and low light use, and the battery life is outstanding--we're still on original batteries from 11/05 and 02/06 purchases!

We've replaced no springs, caps or other components on either unit.

The emitter lens cleans right up with a Q-tip, lens cleaner, and a blast of canned air. I use the same technique and Hoppe's Elite Gun Cleaner on the battery cap.

The OEM guide rod pops right back in for range practice.

The Only Cons I Can Think of Are...

. Cost: They're Spendy Little Buggers!

. Grime Build Up: The Lens Clouds Up After, Say 4 Magazines Worth Of Ammo Fired. *

. Weapon Specific: A Unit Fits Maybe 1 - 5 Glock Models.

* This is also NBD to me, as I doubt I'd use 4 magazines in a SD situation! :wow:

The best price I've seen on LaserMax is here:

http://www.lasersales.com/index.php/cPath/42_70_343?osCsid=4632c915b9ecdf6b1307a5442b21a61d

--Ray

[Grape Ape]

They break under hard use.

Save your money and learn shooting fundamentals with the ammo you buy from not buying a lasermax.

[VTFatBastard]

They break under hard use.

Is this your one-time personal experience, or do you have some hard data to back up that statement? What exactly are you calling hard use? The info I have seen is the laser units are testing pretty rigorously and they pass just fine.

My Lasermax has been installed for 4 months and has seen at least 1000 rounds though the gun each of those months. It's still works like new. Also, RayB's experience with 2 different units says they are pretty reliable.

Hope that's helpful.

[Tactician]

Laser Max is one tough laser. Mine has been abused and took the mistreatment well.

I have one installed in a G36 and it is very accurate. You can learn trigger control dry firing with the laser on, so whether the expense is justified or not depends if you want to spend the money aiming at a certain point in your house to shoot better or buy the ammo and practice.

I remove the laser when I CCW the piece because the laser has came on before. I was not happy about that. The extended slide release that turns the thing on and off can be activated with leather holsters while it has not activated with kydex ones.

The pulsating laser makes it easier to see, but is not much help in daylight situations.

I would not buy any more laser sights, but have not regretted having just one. It is a cool toy more than anything. The tactical advantages are few because of the same disadvantages as weapons lights. If you want to broadcast where your location is, be my guest.

Once a person has mastered their trigger control, the lasermax helps your Glock to be a tack driver for sure, but who is going to have the chance to deploy this advantage in a real threat environment? The bigger chance is, it will become a crutch to accuracy. When the sun is bright and you can see the thing, you will have to revert back to regular sights and alignment and your shooting will suffer. In a quick draw and fire situation, there is no time to switch the laser on although you can activate it very fast.

I guess if you want to scare the bad guy and not fire your weapon, the lasermax may be impressive, but if I have the need to break leather, my gun is going to go bang instead of switching on toys and hoping the BG is impressed.

[RayB]

They break under hard use.

Save your money and learn shooting fundamentals with the ammo you buy from not buying a lasermax.

*****

You frankly make a statement and a recommendation. Fair enough; but I too would like to know how you draw this conclusion.

If my own experience with the LaserMax does not impress you, here's an independent review on LaserMax:

http://www.commtechreview.net/firearms/lasermax.htm

--Ray

[RayB]

1) I would not buy any more laser sights, but have not regretted having just one. It is a cool toy more than anything. The tactical advantages are few because of the same disadvantages as weapons lights. If you want to broadcast where your location is, be my guest.

2) Once a person has mastered their trigger control, the lasermax helps your Glock to be a tack driver for sure, but who is going to have the chance to deploy this advantage in a real threat environment? The bigger chance is, it will become a crutch to accuracy. When the sun is bright and you can see the thing, you will have to revert back to regular sights and alignment and your shooting will suffer. In a quick draw and fire situation, there is no time to switch the laser on although you can activate it very fast.

3) I guess if you want to scare the bad guy and not fire your weapon, the lasermax may be impressive, but if I have the need to break leather, my gun is going to go bang instead of switching on toys and hoping the BG is impressed.

*****

I enjoyed your review on the product. I had wondered how the Lasermax works out in the curious G36--a gun I have some interest in!

You lose me with some of your conclusions, though...

1) Police and military personnel that employ lasers in weapons strongly disagree with you, and that means something to me. They also give a strong thumbs up to their weapon lights.

The advantages of the laser may be few, but could prove pivotal in a given situation. The ability to hold zero on a perp while freeing the other hand may prove useful. You may be compromised physically, and again, the laser may restore your accuracy--a big deal if you ask me.

Intelligent use of lasers and weapon lights requires a study of tactics and some practice drills. Professional training's even better!

2) You seem to be coming only from a CCW point of view only. On the home defense front, when things go bump in the night--and it usually is night--intelligent use of the laser may stop the advance of the perp, or allow you to target him when your cool has been lost. I agree that traditional practice is best, but if your cool's blown, a crutch may save your life!

3) Understood. We're all warriors... But others may in fact, hesitate.

In Wisconsin, your best result would be to have the perp reconsider and dive back out the window! We punish home owners that dare to defend themselves! Call the cops after the scenario I just described, and they'll confiscate your gun and you won't get it back! They may charge you... It's a felony here, to point a loaded firearm at anybody--even an intruder!

If you do shoot an intruder, we encourage his family to sue you!

--Ray

[the iceman]

Mine worked great! I only sold it because I wanted to use the money to fund another gun. I will eventually buy another.

I still wish Lasermax would come out with and interal green laser!

[Grape Ape]

Someone always shows up at training classes with them expecting them to be the savior of poor shooting technique. They are not.

A pistol, in a fight for your life mind you, has the chance of being used to shoot bullets, dropped, racked off your belt, used an impact weapon, etc. For something to be considered dependable, it should work the intended way, to shoot bullets, after each and every (okay maybe a majority) possible occurrence.

Invariably, I have seen Lasermax's go TU after shooting 700-1000 rounds in a day being dropped, and beaten hard (on a punching bag mind you but still). When they break, they jam up the pistol nicely making it impossible to get back into action without disassembly and removing the offending parts. This is a very bad thing.

You can get better results by learning the fundamentals of sight alignment and trigger control.

I haven't even talked about seeing that little laser dot under stress.

[Ghost Tracker]

[QUOTE=Grape Ape;10088739]They break under hard use.QUOTE]

Before you Lasermax fans roast this guy at the stake, I have a close friend/shooting buddy who's on a local Drug Task Force (mostly busting Meth Labs). In asking him his opinion on the Crimson Trace vs. Lasermax question he was quick about his response. NO LASERMAX! He had two Lasermax units fail under, uh, extreme circumstances in his G21. Both times, the plastic end-cap had failed & once the broken piece had caused a unclearable slide lock-up. He reasoned that having an accessory with the potential to render his handgun useless wasn't a very wise idea. He (and I) now run the Crimson Trace laser. Even if the C/T fails, it can't possibly fail in a manner that effects pistol reliability.

Makes sense to me, your results may vary.

[Grape Ape]

[QUOTE=Grape Ape;10088739]They break under hard use.QUOTE]

Before you Lasermax fans roast this guy at the stake, I have a close friend/shooting buddy who's on a local Drug Task Force (mostly busting Meth Labs). In asking him his opinion on the Crimson Trace vs. Lasermax question he was quick about his response. NO LASERMAX! He had two Lasermax units fail under, uh, extreme circumstances in his G21. Both times, the plastic end-cap had failed & once the broken piece had caused a unclearable slide lock-up. He reasoned that having an accessory with the potential to render his handgun useless wasn't a very wise idea. He (and I) now run the Crimson Trace laser. Even if the C/T fails, it can't possibly fail in a manner that effects pistol reliability.

Makes sense to me, your results may vary.

I have broken a few TLR-1 lenses beating my gun, but I wouldn't consider that a critical problem b/c it will not jam up my pistol. So I agree with what you are saying about, if you want a laser fine, but don't get one that will leave parts inside when it breaks open.

[RayB]

Grape Ape says, in part...

"A pistol, in a fight for your life mind you, has the chance of being used to shoot bullets, dropped, racked off your belt, used an impact weapon, etc. For something to be considered dependable, it should work the intended way, to shoot bullets, after each and every (okay maybe a majority) possible occurrence.

Invariably, I have seen Lasermax's go TU after shooting 700-1000 rounds in a day being dropped, and beaten hard (on a punching bag mind you but still). When they break, they jam up the pistol nicely making it impossible to get back into action without disassembly and removing the offending parts. This is a very bad thing.

I haven't even talked about seeing that little laser dot under stress. "

*****

Not sure what you mean about shooting "bullets"...

And racking "off your belt" is more a matter of sight strength and integrity.

Attached is a pic of a LaserMax in the full glare of an X200B, in a fully darkened room. I can't imagine how a standard sight picture would be easier to pick up by a stressed individual...

Again, after thousands of rounds in G19 & G21, both LaserMax units have performed admirably shooting bullets--including +P and 10 mm.. Neither unit has required replacement of parts of any kind, including springs, caps, even batteries, from 11/05 and 02/06 purchases.

While they're well used, we admit our guns are not:

. Thrown Against Concrete Walls!
. Used as impact weapons!
. Used As Hammers!
. Thrown Out Of Airplanes!
. Fired Under Water!
. Buried In Mud!

By the above criterion, I doubt most tritium sights would survive.

I have a friend, a highly trained shooter, and owner of dozens of guns, that immediately swapped out the stock OEM guide rods and springs in his Glocks 17 & 20. Why? Because he felt those components might fail on him...

While I've purchased back up parts for our three Glocks, I have yet to replace any of them, plastic or otherwise!

The LaserMax rod is steel, vs. the OEM's plastic...

The Approximate Round Counts On Our LaserMax-Equipped Glocks Are:

G21: 11,000 +
G19: 8,500 +

About 1/4 of the G19's & G21's round count include LaserMax, as we usually end up popping in the OEM guide rods for extended practice. I agree that nothing should replace traditional weapons skills. Besides, the laser gets old hat pretty quickly!

I've got to tell you, the problem I have on this forum with reports of complete LaserMax failures, is that too many are always from a guy that knows a guy, who was at a range when some guy's LaserMax broke and jammed the slide. I'm sorry, but we don't even know if the "guy" had the right LaserMax in the right gun! This is hearsay. :upeyes:

We've had others post here that struggle with the LaserMax installation. You try to help them and they can't even answer the simplest questions. That just smells! The post is either B.S., the guy's an idiot, or the unit was purchased second hand, on eBay, and received without instructions--and again, it may even be the wrong model for the wrong gun! :freak:

One guy on another forum claimed he needed a wooden dowel and 1911 spring to get a LaserMax to work in a G17! I'm sorry but I own two LaserMax units and that's just a load of crap! :puking:

I acknowledge everyone's opinion, including my friend's and yours. But I'll trust my own experience in this matter, and while I’m no Rambo, I still give LaserMax a thumbs up! :thumbsup:

--Ray

[RayB]

...He had two Lasermax units fail under, uh, extreme circumstances in his G21. Both times, the plastic end-cap had failed & once the broken piece had caused a unclearable slide lock-up. He reasoned that having an accessory with the potential to render his handgun useless wasn't a very wise idea. He (and I) now run the Crimson Trace laser. Even if the C/T fails, it can't possibly fail in a manner that effects pistol reliability.

Makes sense to me, your results may vary.

*****

I understand the logic. Some guys, as a matter of policy, won't deviate from stock internal parts on a CC or duty weapon.

But Crimson Trace doesn't make a laser for G21... :headscratch:

--Ray

[Grape Ape]

The LaserMax also has lots of little parts that can come off inside the gun.

Pistols are often used as impact weapons in fights and are often dropped on hard surfaces before you regain control of your weapon.

But oh well, use what you will, nothing will convince you, as shooting 4 magazines a range trip is considered training in your mind.

Hey at least the BG won't be able to shoot you with your own pistol if you drop it on the cement and he comes up with it. You got that going for you.

By the way, Ghost Tracker wasn't talking about somebody making the switch as a matter of policy, he was talking of someone making the switch as a matter of EXPERIENCE. What experience? I would imagine someone or something had to be thumped with the pistol as he was making entry and the LaserMax does what it does best, it broke and, at least once, dropped parts that locked the pistol up.

[RayB]

1) But oh well, use what you will, nothing will convince you, as shooting 4 magazines a range trip is considered training in your mind.

2) Hey at least the BG won't be able to shoot you with your own pistol if you drop it on the cement and he comes up with it. You got that going for you.

3) By the way, Ghost Tracker wasn't talking about somebody making the switch as a matter of policy, he was talking of someone making the switch as a matter of EXPERIENCE. What experience? I would imagine someone or something had to be thumped with the pistol as he was making entry and the LaserMax does what it does best, it broke and, at least once, dropped parts that locked the pistol up.

*****

1) I acknowledged that the LaserMax lens clouds after about four magazines worth of cheap practice ammo. With something clean burning, like the Double Tap +p, it would take longer. :whistling:

I said nothing of how many rounds I carry to the range, which by the way, is usually four magazines plus 150-rounds in .45 ACP, and all that, plus a 33-rounder in 9 mm. ;)

The fact is, laser practice isn't all that fun--it's all trigger control. Real marksmanship is where it's at! :supergrin:

2) We can't have a CCW in Wisconsin. I'm coming from a home defense perspective (and they don't even want us doing that here). :upeyes:

3) Fair enough. And he replaced the LaserMax with a Crimson Trace model not made for his gun. :headscratch:

Here's one LEO's independent review of LaserMax in G30 and G21:

http://www.commtechreview.net/firearms/lasermax.htm

I guess there are cops and there are cops... This guy doesn't claim to have driven nails or beaten anybody to death with his G30 or G21...

LaserMax has some torture tests of their own. I'd be curious to read their response to all this...

Keep in mind that product defects can surface with any man-made device. I've seen Refurbished Crimson Trace grips for sale at MidwayUSA...

--Ray

[kevins_garage]

I've had a LaserMax in my G27 for well over 5 years and put several thousand rounds through it. I CCW with it though. I don't serve no-knock warrants or otherwise bust down doors. I try not to lose control of my firearms either and have to go looking for them when they hit the ground. I also don't operate under the assumption that I'm going to fire my gun every single time it clears leather.

There is an updated release/activation lever from Lasermax that solves some of the easy on problems with some holsters. If yours is activating in the holster, you may ant to contact Lasermax and tell them about your problem. They may send you the updated parts like they did me.

I like the Lasermax since you can turn it on and off, whereas the CTC for Glock with the switch in the back is pretty much an instant on always on laser when you are gripping the gun. If you use almost anything hard enough, you're bound to break it sooner or later. Ideally, preventative maintenance should help you to catch potential problems before they arise. Since you can't possibly know when anything could fail, have a back up plan.

Buy whatever you want. Practice with it and become proficient. And stop worrying about what everyone else thinks. If you look long and hard enough online, you will find that someone has a problem with almost everything. :whistling:

[PAHLAVAN]

I just ordered one for my duty G-21. $283 OTD. I'll get it and let you know if it's worth it's price. BTW, on the Lasermax site, they have a video of some guys torturing a P-220 Combat with a internal lasermax. It held up under severe conditions and abuse. Check it out.

[Ghost Tracker]

[B]
I've got to tell you, the problem I have on this forum with reports of complete LaserMax failures, is that too many are always from a guy that knows a guy, who was at a range when some guy's LaserMax broke and jammed the slide. I'm sorry, but we don't even know if the "guy" had the right LaserMax in the right gun! This is hearsay. :upeyes:

You're RIGHT! The incident(s) I noted in my above post ARE hear-say. I heard my very serious, LEO, door-kicker friend say to me that he wouldn't recommend the LaserMax from his own personal experience. The reason he wouldn't was because he had experienced the same failure twice, and once it had locked-up his gun. To suggest the cause was that he had the wrong part in his pistol?!? Well, I guess he could have. But with the number of warrants he's served & the number of Meth cookers he's arrested, my bet is that he (and his armorer and his team) are rather picky about those sorts of things.

I have a problem on this forum with sophomoric, theoretical explanations of relayed product failures by people who want to defend their own buying decision. The OP asked for opinions on LaserMax. I gave him one directly from one of the most serious LEOs I know (and the logic behind his decision). You want to question the validity of; the post (me), the source (him), or his ability to read the part# on the box?!? :dunno:

[Bill Lumberg]

I got to R&D one at work. Shot, banged, tossed on the ground (installed in the weapon) and never got the lasermax to malfunction, much less break. Functioned flawlessly. If you have personal knowledge of how they work, you'd know that it's hard to conceive of how one would cause the weapon to malfunction. Over 700 rounds in a variety of situations, and no malfunctions for me. I don't advocate carrying a laser over proper marksmanship. But if you're going to carry a laser, lasermax is great.

[8541/9999]

Ghost Tracker and Grape Ape please P.M. me with the names and depts that have had these problems so I can contact them to find out why they never contacted LaserMax about these problems.

[Ghost Tracker]

Ghost Tracker and Grape Ape please P.M. me with the names and depts that have had these problems so I can contact them to find out why they never contacted LaserMax about these problems.

Thanks 8541/9999!
But I think my source already did get no-hassle Warranty Replacement for both of his issues (or maybe he broke the same one twice?). If memory serves, it was the battery cap (~5-6 years ago) that caused the problems. I'll get in touch with him for details & contact info. Appreciate your response.

[Grape Ape]

Thanks 8541/9999!
But I think my source already did get no-hassle Warranty Replacement for both of his issues (or maybe he broke the same one twice?). If memory serves, it was the battery cap (~5-6 years ago) that caused the problems. I'll get in touch with him for details & contact info. Appreciate your response.


Ditto.

Not saying that LaserMax screwed them, just saying the product broke in a bad way.

Customer Service is not the issue here.

[Assault Manager]

I've heard that when installing LaserMax (in glock) - they recommend you change the spring. Which spring? and Change it to What? and Why?
I'd appreciate any&all input. :dunno:

[RayB]

1) You're RIGHT! The incident(s) I noted in my above post ARE hear-say. I heard my very serious, LEO, door-kicker friend say to me that he wouldn't recommend the LaserMax from his own personal experience. The reason he wouldn't was because he had experienced the same failure twice, and once it had locked-up his gun.

2) To suggest the cause was that he had the wrong part in his pistol?!? Well, I guess he could have. But with the number of warrants he's served & the number of Meth cookers he's arrested, my bet is that he (and his armorer and his team) are rather picky about those sorts of things.

3) I have a problem on this forum with sophomoric, theoretical explanations of relayed product failures by people who want to defend their own buying decision. The OP asked for opinions on LaserMax. I gave him one directly from one of the most serious LEOs I know (and the logic behind his decision). You want to question the validity of; the post (me), the source (him), or his ability to read the part# on the box?!? :dunno:

*****

1) I never questioned your honesty, or your understanding of what your friend told you. But your comments are, by definition, hearsay.

2) Sorry. I was referring to a history of "other" posts, which you could read if the search engine worked. This too is a statement of fact.

3) The rest wasn't aimed at you, or your friend, and I was pretty clear about that, if you reread the paragraph...

I did question how your friend got a Crimson Trace for his G21, when they don't make one for G21. :upeyes:

Finally, I submit that your reaction to the properly applied term, hearsay, is, well, sophomoric. :tongueout:

--Ray

[RayB]

I've heard that when installing LaserMax (in glock) - they recommend you change the spring. Which spring? and Change it to What? and Why?
I'd appreciate any&all input. :dunno:

*****

The LaserMax guide rod lasers come with two springs. One is part of the guide rod/recoil spring assembly, and the other is a replacement slide lock spring.

The recoil spring is made by Wolf, and feels just a tad stronger than the OEM spring. It is easily replaced with a new spring when it becomes worn out over thousands of recoil cycles.

The L-shaped slide lock spring replaces the OEM slide lock spring. It is also a bit stiffer, and has a detent crimped into it to hold the replacement slide lock (which doubles as a laser on/off switch) in the center position.

While some of the parts have changed over the years, and some part's appearances change between models, the entire installation is described here:

http://www.commtechreview.net/firearms/lasermax.htm

Installation takes about 15-minutes, and you can easily pop in the OEM or another guide rod at any time.

--Ray

[ctcdesigner]

*****


I did question how your friend got a Crimson Trace for his G21, when they don't make one for G21. :upeyes:



--Ray

Ray,

Just to clarify your statement, the LG617 DID fit the G21's when the lasergrip was first released. Glock made a change to the gun frame that resulted in the LG617 not fitting that version. Since Glock does not track the different versions of the frames that they make, CTC took the position that the LG617 would no longer fit ANY G21. This was to make it easier for the customer as it was difficult to determine which version of the G21 would work with the lasergrip and which would not.

Dan
CTC Engineer

[RayB]

Ah. Thanks Dan! :wavey:

--Ray

[JadeRaven]

I don't have any experience with one, but all I know is I want one :)

[Ghost Tracker]

Regardless of all the clever repartee' being bantered about here, a simple observation remains. There are laser devices that fit IN autoloading handguns (partially as a component required for function) & there are laser devices that fit ON autoloading handguns (with no role other than the accurate projection of an aim point). The independent function of a externally mounted laser vs. the dependent nature of an internally installed laser is, to me, preferable. I would feel the same way if the laser was somehow associated with the reliable function of the trigger or the magazine. Why would you want an auxiliary aiming device that has even the slightest, most remote possibility of its failure disabling your firearm? Especially when alternatives are available?

[Bill Lumberg]

Actually, if you know what you're doing, they install in less than a minute. Never had a problem with the laser or with the gun with the laster installed. Top notch.

[Assault Manager]

Ray - Thanks for your helpful answer - I'm glad the springs are supplied.

One more quick LaserMax question. I've started shooting IDPA which doesn't allow laser. I was thinking / hoping of just leaving it turned off during the match. If however, I need to remove it (once a month) - could I just put the OEM rod back in easy enough or would I need to change the springs and all each time. I appreciate your input :dunno:
Peace, AM

[RayB]

1) Regardless of all the clever repartee' being bantered about here, a simple observation remains. There are laser devices that fit IN autoloading handguns (partially as a component required for function) & there are laser devices that fit ON autoloading handguns (with no role other than the accurate projection of an aim point). The independent function of a externally mounted laser vs. the dependent nature of an internally installed laser is, to me, preferable.

2) I would feel the same way if the laser was somehow associated with the reliable function of the trigger or the magazine. Why would you want an auxiliary aiming device that has even the slightest, most remote possibility of its failure disabling your firearm? Especially when alternatives are available?

*****

1) Eloquent, lucid, and succinct! You might have said so in the first place! :whistling:

2) I made this point earlier, and it was also pounced on... Some people, as a matter of policy, will not deviate from stock internal components on a CC or SD weapon. Others routinely change out the plastic OEM guide rod for a stainless steel or tungsten model, along with an aftermarket spring. :)

--Ray

[RayB]

Ray - Thanks for your helpful answer - I'm glad the springs are supplied.

One more quick LaserMax question. I've started shooting IDPA which doesn't allow laser. I was thinking / hoping of just leaving it turned off during the match. If however, I need to remove it (once a month) - could I just put the OEM rod back in easy enough or would I need to change the springs and all each time. I appreciate your input :dunno:
Peace, AM

*****

Always happy to help!

You could leave it in, turned off, but that might create issues with the rules, if you know what I mean...

The LaserMax unit can be swapped out for the OEM or aftermarket guide rod, in seconds, any time. There is no need to swap out any other components.

--Ray

[PAHLAVAN]

Okay, I did some research and after reading some scary things, like the laser guid rod breaking inside the gun etc.... I canceled my order and changed it to the Unimax rail laser instead.

I would still like to have the internal laser for a "fun gun", but not one I may have to save my life with. Plus, department might fry me if they take my gun after a shooting and I have a unauthorized laser rod inside.

[Assault Manager]

Ray, thanks again and B]Thanks[/B] to everyones input - I'm ordering (& I now know where also) one. :)
I understand there is always Yin & Yang to every issue and you have to make the best choice you can at the time with the information you have. Wish me luck.
AM

[PAHLAVAN]

Good luck, and let us know how it works for you. Then I'll go buy one.

[Javelin]

Mine functions perfectly! Just be sure to get the newer version with the spring enclosed for your Glocks. They look and operate exactly like your Glock spring rod.

I would never suggest anyone get anything else but a Lasermax for their Glock. You will be impressed and the light is so bright it literally lights up rooms at night with a pulsating red beam.

[Assault Manager]

you guys Do get a person thinking - as I went to order I checked out the External unimax - which brings up another host of question. Is there a thread on this?

[PAHLAVAN]

I ordered the unimax two days ago. Let me get it and I'll start a thread on it with pics. Give it a week to arrive.

I got the red laser though. The green is cooler, but not worth the $$$$$ IMO. Maybe with time, the greens will get cheaper as the technology isn't so new.

[Javelin]

I got the red laser though. The green is cooler, but not worth the $$$$$ IMO. Maybe with time, the greens will get cheaper as the technology isn't so new.


My findings with Green lasers is that they get very hot very quickly. And heat is the only thing that destroys the unit. Until they can find a way to run green without the heat and potentially very short life-span on the laser I would suggest not to buy one.

[Assault Manager]

Great - look forward to read (I'm holding off ordering - what's a few more days)
Anyhow, I'd like to find out if:
- it fits directly on Glock rail
- if it removes quickly and easily (so I can shot in IDPA match)
- how easy/hard it is to turn on and off
- how accurate it is right out of the box
- and how easy/difficult to slip on my "Glock" Light on the underneath rail

{one way or the other, it looks like I surly getting some kind of Laser:supergrin:}

[PAHLAVAN]

I read that too. And it seems they suck up batteries dry much quicker.

Like a set lasting 4 hrs. instead of 4 months.


My vote is......Make the laser even hotter and use that as a weapon.

[PAHLAVAN]

Great - look forward to read (I'm holding off ordering - what's a few more days)
Anyhow, I'd like to find out if:
- it fits directly on Glock rail
- if it removes quickly and easily (so I can shot in IDPA match)
- how easy/hard it is to turn on and off
- how accurate it is right out of the box
- and how easy/difficult to slip on my "Glock" Light on the underneath rail

{one way or the other, it looks like I surly getting some kind of Laser:supergrin:}



I will definitely answer all your questions as soon as I get it. One plus side to the rail system (for me) is that I can put it on my 3 glocks and my Sig220ST. So I'm not limited to one gun. But, you may have to readjust the beam with each gun. I read the adjustment tool sits nicely in the battery compartment.

Anyways, I'll let you know soon so hold off if you want. I went to opticsplanet.com and got one for 161.45 out the door with free UPS ground.

That includes a 5% LE discount though.


BTW, I handled the crimson trace glock lasers and wasn't too impressed. Ridgid slippery plastic and very bulky.

Lasermax is coming out with similar version called the sabre. Worth a look at in the future if you like that style.

[Gordov2]

I initially had some problems with my Lasermax, but the company practically stood on their head to do WHATEVER IT TOOK to fix it. And fix it they did! Not only does my Lasermax function perfectly, but if I were ever to have another problem, they would fix it pronto - for free!

Initial problems were inaccuracy, and one broken guide rod. In addition to going far above and beyond what ANY company has for me in the past (in or outside of the gun world), they also threw-in some cool freebies to boot when all was said and done.

Also, I think some of the first production runs might have had some quality problems, (which brought about my issues), but those kinks have definitely been worked out.

I've now been using it for two years and it's still shooting perfectly.

I highly recommend Lasermax. One thing I might suggest is when you're shooting at the range, use the Lasermax for the first 100 or so rounds, then switch to the standard guiderod from Glock. Why? I just think that when practicing, once I know the laser is A-OK and on POA/POI and working as it should, I'll go to the OEM guiderod and let it take the wear and tear of my range practice.

[Ghost Tracker]

I have to be honest here (dammit!), the C/T on my G19 is okay...but there's an unnerving (but obvious) shift in the aimpoint dependent on the firmness of my grip. A hard squeeze will move the dot around, even when the pistol is stationary. Just FYI.

[Glock Influence]

I have always considered getting a laser for some of my guns but the lasermax always had me questioning ... wouldn't it get knocked out of spec all of the time ? I mean it is surrounded by the recoil spring correct ? Of all the lasers, I wanted the lasermax the most because its internal. Does anyone else wonder how it doesnt move the laser around? I mean only a little bump and it would be way off.

[RayB]

I have to be honest here (dammit!), the C/T on my G19 is okay...but there's an unnerving (but obvious) shift in the aimpoint dependent on the firmness of my grip. A hard squeeze will move the dot around, even when the pistol is stationary. Just FYI.

*****

I'm sure we all appreciate your candor.

That was my chief complaint with the CT Grips on the Glock: It changed the feel, and I just didn't like it. Conversely, I've handled a 1911 and a revolver equipped with Crimson Trace Grips, and thought they were great!

Back in 1981, I was all set to buy a new Celica Supra; that is until I sat in it. It was a damn sexy car! And I had the money! But nothing worked--it was just all wrong for me! :crying:

Feel is a big deal! If you're going to bond with a piece of equipment, it has to be something you can get comfortable with!

--Ray

[RayB]

I have always considered getting a laser for some of my guns but the lasermax always had me questioning ... wouldn't it get knocked out of spec all of the time ? I mean it is surrounded by the recoil spring correct ?

Of all the lasers, I wanted the lasermax the most because its internal. Does anyone else wonder how it doesnt move the laser around? I mean only a little bump and it would be way off.

*****

1) You're right, LaserMax is surrounded by a recoil spring (pic attached). But the emitter end is captured in the guide rod well of the slide, and the laser is adjusted for that little bit that the other end of the rod, unseats from the half-moon in the barrel lug, after the slide is racked, and re-racked.

Now, we don't throw our G19 & G21 against walls, drive nails, beat punching bags with them, etc. But I can tell you that rounds hit within about 1/4" of the dot, out to the back of our indoor range (50-feet), and that both units were this accurate right out of the box.

I know the LaserMax units for the 1911's, are somewhat adjustable for the various 1911 models.

2) It probably does move a little bit, in the beat the crap out of the gun scenario. But it's still plenty accurate for self-defense purposes, out to practical pistol ranges. LaserMax states that the accuracy is not sniper quality, but sufficient for self-defense.

Keep in mind that those lasers with windage and elevation adjustments are pin-point accurate only to the preset distance chosen by the shooter. Inside or outside that "sweet spot", the POA/POI can be way off!

I prefer the parallel beam or known offset approach, where the laser runs closely parallel to the gun's bore axis, and rounds appear at a predictable offset from the laser dot.

The attached pic clearly shows the LaserMax switched on in my G21. It also shows the distinctly different beam patterns of SureFires X200 A&B.

--Ray

[wyattearp]

I bought a used Lasermax for my G21, which I installed without problem this morning after installing fresh batteries. I'm very pleased with the construction of the device--very precisely machined device inside a high quality steel guide rod. The plastic battery cap is made of the same material as the stock guide rod and seats in the barrel lug just the same as the guide rod end.

The former owner got tired of replacing batteries because his holster would bump the slide switch. Having said that, it is obvious that it was shot a lot. It wasn't pretty and when I took it out of the box, I was a little skeptical because it looked like hell with all the wear on the spring and rod. No more!

This is good engineering by LaserMax. For comparison I also have an external laser/light combo that mounts on the rail, but that is for my house gun.

On lasers in general, a green laser will reveal your position because green is the spectrum most visible to the human eye. When powered on, it will trace a very visible beam between you and your target, like a light saber. A red laser is not so visible, unless there's heavy dust or smoke in the air. Battery life should also be considered, but lasers make very poor flashlights. They do make for amusement, and will drain a battery quickly if left on. As a shooting tool, they should last for quite awhile.

In home defense, tactical lights suddenly switched on blind the intruder, and the combination of a forceful warning and the appearance of a red dot on the body part of choice should give any thinking man reason to retreat.

Anyone ever give a business presentation with a gun-mounted laser?!!! That would definitely be amusing.

[Gordov2]

I have always considered getting a laser for some of my guns but the lasermax always had me questioning ... wouldn't it get knocked out of spec all of the time ? I mean it is surrounded by the recoil spring correct ? Of all the lasers, I wanted the lasermax the most because its internal. Does anyone else wonder how it doesnt move the laser around? I mean only a little bump and it would be way off.

The short answer is no. The Lasermax is built with having to deal with recoil in mind, and it in no way falls out of adjustment when the gun fires.

The Lasermax will come from the factory already aligned, and it will stay that way. You should not have a problem.

[Assault Manager]

between Heaven & Hell - thank you
I'm learning a lot & enjoying this forum

I probably more anxious than you for you to get your laser (& post your review)
As much as I want an internal, I can't not ignore that huge price difference as well, :wavey:

[PAHLAVAN]

No problem, it will be here on Monday. I'll post some pics and general characteristics of the unit, but have to wait till next sat. for a range session.


BTW, does anyone know the best way to zero in a rail mounted type laser? Does one have to choose a specific distance where the bullet meets the laser marker depending on their shooting preferences?

[RayB]

BTW, does anyone know the best way to zero in a rail mounted type laser? Does one have to choose a specific distance where the bullet meets the laser marker depending on their shooting preferences?


*****

Yes. That's pretty much it.

There are two schools of thought...

Sweet Spot: Dial in a range where POA and POI conjoin, or intersect. Inside or outside that sweet spot, your POI will be useful, but off.

Parallel Beam or Offset: With a laser close to the gun's bore axis, you can set it up so that the POI is a known offset from the POA. In other words, the bullet and laser beam run parallel, out to practical pistol ranges. You know this, and adjust accordingly.

--Ray

[shooter757]

What's better for a Glock 19 home defense at night?

A Lasermax + TLR-1 or simply a TLR-2?

And night sites of course...

[RayB]

What's better for a Glock 19 home defense at night?

A Lasermax + TLR-1 or simply a TLR-2?

And night sites of course...

*****

They'll both get it done!

TLR-2 Advantages:

. Multi Weapon Use!
. Cost Savings!

LaserMax Plus Light Advantages:

. Separate, Independent Systems!
. Inboard Laser--Few Holstering Issues!
. Laser Close To Bore Axis!

You could also do the Uni-Max plus light thingy, as the Uni-Max has its own light rail on the bottom. This is also a multi weapon set up.

Judy's G19 is set up with...

. Trijicon Sights
. LaserMax
. SureFire X200B
. 33-Round Magazine

--Ray

[PAHLAVAN]

*****

Yes. That's pretty much it.

There are two schools of thought...

Sweet Spot: Dial in a range where POA and POI conjoin, or intersect. Inside or outside that sweet spot, your POI will be useful, but off.

Parallel Beam or Offset: With a laser close to the gun's bore axis, you can set it up so that the POI is a known offset from the POA. In other words, the bullet and laser beam run parallel, out to practical pistol ranges. You know this, and adjust accordingly.

--Ray

Well explained. I think a parallel Beam might be the answer for me. I'll have to test it out and see. A question comes to mind though. What is the best method to make sure your beam is actually parallel with the bore/barrel??

[RayB]

Well explained. I think a parallel Beam might be the answer for me. I'll have to test it out and see. A question comes to mind though. What is the best method to make sure your beam is actually parallel with the bore/barrel??

*****

A kindred spirit--we never sleep! :devildance:

Well, we'll get all the sleep we need, when we're dead. :freak:

To do it right, you'd need a vice for the gun, and a laser bore sight...

Barring that...

Play with the rig awhile, at home, dry firing with the laser & sights.

Using your index finger, point the gun, then check the sights. Practice... Welcome to point shooting! It works!

Take the rig to the range, reel the target out to 30-feet, and when the sights, bullet hole, and laser agree, or nearly so, on POA/POI, that's probably good enough.

With both our LaserMax units, rounds punch through the target about 1/4" above the laser dot, every time, out to 30-feet. Beyond that, within two inches.

--Ray

[shooter757]

With the Lasermax you use an aftermarket recoil spring assembly correct? So, what do you do after about 5,000 rounds when you need to change out your recoil spring assembly? Get another $$$ lasermax??

[Ghost Tracker]

Well explained. I think a parallel Beam might be the answer for me. I'll have to test it out and see. A question comes to mind though. What is the best method to make sure your beam is actually parallel with the bore/barrel??

I'm a Parallel Beam advocate as well. The reason is, the distance to your target isn't a factor. The dot location is the same (small) distance from your impact point (until bullet-drop becomes an issue) regardless of distance. The best method to check slignment is to shoot from a good rest using only the laser for sighting. The impact location (your group) should be the same offset on the target as the actual (dimensional) offset measured on your pistol (~.5" above). If you & your pistol shoot that accurately, then you'll know your laser is aligned properly.

[PAHLAVAN]

With the Lasermax you use an aftermarket recoil spring assembly correct? So, what do you do after about 5,000 rounds when you need to change out your recoil spring assembly? Get another $$$ lasermax??

I would imagine that just as a Glock recoil sprig assembly can be taken apart, then you can order a new spring and get a qualified person to replace it.

For other guns such as the sigs etc.... they are separate and not an issue.


As far as the reply to my parallel sighting question....Thanks for both of you for your responses. I'll give it a try when I get it. I'm begining to realize that it's not so much a matter of getting the bullet to hit exactly where the laser dot is......rather using the dot as a close enough guide for shot placement.



P.S. I had just gotten off work when I wrote the last thread. We took an attempt murder suspect into custody yesturday. Weapon was a bat to the head.

[RayB]

With the Lasermax you use an aftermarket recoil spring assembly correct? So, what do you do after about 5,000 rounds when you need to change out your recoil spring assembly? Get another $$$ lasermax??

*****

LaserMax uses Wolf springs, and stocks the replacements. Just call them, and have the replacements sent via US Mail...

Please see the attached picture. Look closely, and you can see the two piece capture collar that's trapped in the last coil of the spring, around the emitter end of the laser. That capture collar secures the spring to the rod, which is further held in place by the well in the front of the slide. It's simplicity, itself.

To remove the spring, remove the capture collar by compressing the spring with your fingers, and shaking the two pieces out onto a newspaper. Be careful not to send the collar pieces flying (like I did)!

I discovered this by accident, futzing around with the thing on a Friday night, after a really long week! :beer: = :freak:

Imagine the fun! :upeyes:

At first I thought I'd broken it! But then I figured it out, and put it back together. No worries! ;)

Oh, and there's absolutely nothing about this in the owner's manual... :frown:

--Ray

[PAHLAVAN]

Great - look forward to read (I'm holding off ordering - what's a few more days)
Anyhow, I'd like to find out if:
- it fits directly on Glock rail
- if it removes quickly and easily (so I can shot in IDPA match)
- how easy/hard it is to turn on and off
- how accurate it is right out of the box
- and how easy/difficult to slip on my "Glock" Light on the underneath rail

{one way or the other, it looks like I surly getting some kind of Laser:supergrin:}

Ok, it just got here about half hour ago. First impressions are good. It's bright and well built. Looks like it will take a lot of abuse and keep going. I tried to zero it in just by using the sights at a given distance and using the adjustment tool or bring the laser diode to where the sights are. It comes with batteries installed and two adjustment tools. One is housed inside the battery case for spare. It comes with laser set of pulse. I used the adjustment tool and the hole inside the battery compartment to set it on constant beam. Much better IMO.

I'm out the door right now but will take some pics later and post them. It comes with a screwdriver which is way too large for the small screw that keeps the battery cover on. I nearly stripped it trying to open it. You have to have one of those small glasses screwdrivers.

It will fit on a Glock rail. I have it on my P220ST.

It's not a slide on off like a tac light. It has a screw which you can hand tighten. Pretty easy though still to get it on and off.

It's not dialed in out of the box. You have to adjust it.

I havn't tried putting my X-200 light beneath it. Not my intention as I have no need to do it. But it would be pretty easy.

I'll give a better impression after range on Wed.

[6string]

I’ve had a Unimax for a couple of years and I’ve been very happy with it. The only issue I had was after a few weeks the laser began to get dim and didn’t seem to come on as reliably. I sprayed a little Deoxit D5 contact cleaner in there, and it’s been great since.

[PAHLAVAN]

I’ve had a Unimax for a couple of years and I’ve been very happy with it. The only issue I had was after a few weeks the laser began to get dim and didn’t seem to come on as reliably. I sprayed a little Deoxit D5 contact cleaner in there, and it’s been great since.

I didn't realize this product has been on the market for that long.

Anyways, first off, what is Deoxit D5?

Secondly, what would you say is the best way to sight in a Lasermax? In your experience that is.

[6string]

I didn't realize this product has been on the market for that long.

Anyways, first off, what is Deoxit D5?

Secondly, what would you say is the best way to sight in a Lasermax? In your experience that is.

I have to correct my post, sorry. I bought it just over a year ago. I’m not sure when the Unimax first came out.

Deoxit D5 is the best contact cleaner I’ve ever used. It will keep your electrical contacts clean and efficient. I used to work in music production with mixing boards and tons of contacts, plugs, and pots. Deoxit D5 worked dramatically better than any other contact cleaner I’ve tried. It’s expensive, but worth it.
http://store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.188/.f

As for sighting in, I was definitely low tech. I shot from both a two-hand hold and a supported position. I simply adjusted the laser to match the POI. I never did get it perfect, but it’s within a half inch or so.

[PAHLAVAN]

Got it thanks.

[Gordov2]

The eraser on the end of a pencil is also a good and inexpensive way to clean low-power electrical contacts. It does a fine job and is obviously cheap.

[PAHLAVAN]

Update:

Okay, I took it to the range today and shot about a hundred rounds through it. The screw that you tighten to keep the mount secure worked itself loose after every 35 rounds or so and I had to finger tighten it since I didn't have a screwdriver with me.

Most importantly, the unit failed (laser shut off while in the ON position) at least two to three times during firing. Certainly due to recoil.:steamed:

It came back on by itself after about three minutes or so each time and it was still working when I left the range disappointed. I lost confidence in the Unimax and immediately contacted Opticsplanet.com inquiring on how to retrun it for a refund.

In the future, I think I may opt for an internal laser guide rod instead. The problem I found was with the rail mounted version, you can zero it in the best you can at a certain distance, but When you try and shoot at a different range (distance) your laser will be off target. So the "close to bore" internal laser would solve this IMO.

Also, I previously thought the removable Unimax would be good since I could set it on different guns. But in reality, zeroing it in and moving it back and forth is such a hassle that it would probably stay on one gun anyway. So just buy the weapon specific internal guid rod laser.


Hope this helped.

[Gordov2]

Were the screws throughly tightened when you initially mounted the Unimax? If so, you might need to use some lightweight Locktight on them.

Regarding the laser turning itself on and off: Was it the recoil turning the switch to the "off" position, or was the laser just going out with the switch in the "on" position? If recoil was flipping the switch, that is not uncommon. The internal Lasermax has gotten much better with that when they started using a stronger spring for the take down lever/on-off switch. Any laser using a switch is going to be receptive to that problem in general.

As it relates to the zero point, even the internal Lasermax has a given point where the laser is going to leave POA/POI (around 20-25 feet). No laser (unless it is mounted directly IN the bore) will be accurate to infinity. You have to pick the point where it's going to be "as good as it gets" and then adjust aim from there. Yes the internal Lasermax will be better at that than the Unimax, but again it will never hold zero for infinity.

Because the internal Lasermax is a bit closer to the bore it will appear to hold zero for a longer distance, so it won't be noticed quite as much as a laser that is mounted further away from the bore. At the end of the day, the height of the laser and your point of impact will continue to get further and further apart as you increase your distance from the target - you just need to compensate in your shooting technique.

In my opinion it is probably harder to use the Unimax on a variety of different guns, for the exact reason you stated.

In the couple years I've been playing with lasers, I've found that they are finicky, and that once you find the right set-up for you; that works reliably, stick with it!

Further, if you think of the laser as an aiming device to use under actual stress fire; rather than something to use for each and every practice round downrange, you will be better off. When I go to the range, I make sure my Lasermax is working correctly, that the POA/POI is OK, shoot maybe 50 rounds with it, then I switch to the OEM guiderod. That way the Lasermax is ready to do what it is supposed to do, and not be a toy for all 700 rounds I send downrange each shooting trip. I have found that my unit works much better with that philosophy in mind.

[6string]

The screw that you tighten to keep the mount secure worked itself loose after every 35 rounds or so and I had to finger tighten it since I didn't have a screwdriver with me.

Most importantly, the unit failed (laser shut off while in the ON position) at least two to three times during firing. Certainly due to recoil.:steamed:


Sorry it didn’t work out for you. I understand your frustration. I had a similar experience when I tried my first guide rod laser (it broke after about an hour), and it took me a long time to even want to try one again.

As far as the Unimax coming loose, just so readers won’t think this is a common experience, I’ve shot many hundreds of rounds out of my G22 without the Unimax coming loose. If yours came loose after 35 rounds, it wasn’t tight enough. The screw slot is sized for a coin, and the manual suggests using a quarter. So if you had a coin with you, you could have tightened it more securely than using your fingers.

As for it turning off while in the on position, that sounds suspiciously like what I described in my earlier post. After I used contact cleaner on mine, it’s been rock solid reliable ever since.

At any rate, these things can be frustrating. I hope the guide rod laser works better for you.

[PAHLAVAN]

Thanks you both for your replys.

[cag27]

Lasermax in a G27



I bought my G27 about a month ago and bought this at the same time.

I have went to the range with the LaserMax and Glock twice.

First time i was new to shooting and heavily relied on the laser to get used to the gun and figure out the sights. The batteries didnt last threw 150 rounds, i think after 100 it was dead. I was highly disappointed in that. And continued shooting anyway the rest of the day.


I went home that night and immediately went to radioshack and got 4 brand new batteries and installed them.

Fast forward a week to yesterday.

Went to the gun range and was really excited to put about 250-300 rounds for the night out. And wanted to really use the laser to pinpoint my accuracy.

Well after about 100 rounds again, the batteries were dead again. :(
I was HIGHLY disgusted again. I mean i would assume it should last PLENTY more time than this? we are talking less than 30 minutes of constant use. And i would say 10-15 minutes its off cause the slide is locked back and i am reloading the 2 magazines.

Anyone else have this issue with theirs?
I called LaserMax today and am sending the laser in tomorrow for them to inspect it. If it comes back fine, i am going to return it, or modify it to take a different battery that will give longer life..

[Gordov2]

Lasermax in a G27



I bought my G27 about a month ago and bought this at the same time.

I have went to the range with the LaserMax and Glock twice.

First time i was new to shooting and heavily relied on the laser to get used to the gun and figure out the sights. The batteries didnt last threw 150 rounds, i think after 100 it was dead. I was highly disappointed in that. And continued shooting anyway the rest of the day.


I went home that night and immediately went to radioshack and got 4 brand new batteries and installed them.

Fast forward a week to yesterday.

Went to the gun range and was really excited to put about 250-300 rounds for the night out. And wanted to really use the laser to pinpoint my accuracy.

Well after about 100 rounds again, the batteries were dead again. :(
I was HIGHLY disgusted again. I mean i would assume it should last PLENTY more time than this? we are talking less than 30 minutes of constant use. And i would say 10-15 minutes its off cause the slide is locked back and i am reloading the 2 magazines.

Anyone else have this issue with theirs?
I called LaserMax today and am sending the laser in tomorrow for them to inspect it. If it comes back fine, i am going to return it, or modify it to take a different battery that will give longer life..


NO, you definitely have a problem. The batteries in my Lasermax have been in there for months! Most everyone I know that uses a Lasermax has the same batteries in their unit for approximately a year or more. Either your unit needs fixing (or replacement), or you're potentially leaving the laser switched on while your gun is in the range bag or your nightstand.

Make certain the the laser is not somehow being switched-on while in your holster, nightstand, wherever (although holsters have a tendency to actually turn the Lasermax off).

Lasermax is typically very good at fixing this kind of thing!

Also, try not to use Radio Shack batteries - they aren't great in Lasermax units... they don't last long, which will only compound your problem. Stick with the Lasermax brand, especially until you get this problem sorted out. After that you can use some Eveready's which you can get at Batteries Plus for a lot cheaper.

Either way, my bet is when you get the unit back from Lasermax, you won't have any further problems.

[Gordov2]

I’ve had a Unimax for a couple of years and I’ve been very happy with it. The only issue I had was after a few weeks the laser began to get dim and didn’t seem to come on as reliably. I sprayed a little Deoxit D5 contact cleaner in there, and it’s been great since.


No way the Unimax has been available for two years. Maybe, MAYBE a year. Definitely not two, and probably less than one.

The D5 cleaner is indeed good stuff.

[cag27]

NO, you definitely have a problem. The batteries in my Lasermax have been in there for months! Most everyone I know that uses a Lasermax has the same batteries in their unit for approximately a year or more. Either your unit needs fixing (or replacement), or you're potentially leaving the laser switched on while your gun is in the range bag or your nightstand.

Make certain the the laser is not somehow being switched-on while in your holster, nightstand, wherever (although holsters have a tendency to actually turn the Lasermax off).

Lasermax is typically very good at fixing this kind of thing!

Also, try not to use Radio Shack batteries - they aren't great in Lasermax units... they don't last long, which will only compound your problem. Stick with the Lasermax brand, especially until you get this problem sorted out. After that you can use some Eveready's which you can get at Batteries Plus for a lot cheaper.

Either way, my bet is when you get the unit back from Lasermax, you won't have any further problems.

i most certainly hope this is the case.

I started looking at Crimson and a couple others today, and if the lasermax cant be fixed, i will probably have to design something.

I see a couple old Crimson models they mounted under the front of the gun. Really nice and clean installation, too bad i cant seem to find anyone selling one of those incase the lasermax cant be fixed.

Ill report back when i hear from Lasermax about what they say.

[Gordov2]

i most certainly hope this is the case.

I started looking at Crimson and a couple others today, and if the lasermax cant be fixed, i will probably have to design something.

I see a couple old Crimson models they mounted under the front of the gun. Really nice and clean installation, too bad i cant seem to find anyone selling one of those incase the lasermax cant be fixed.

Ill report back when i hear from Lasermax about what they say.

Forget about designing something! Regardless of how good you are at designing stuff, the military and LE use Lasermax and if there were something better out there, they would be using it; or have already designed it. Yes, there are other systems costing thousands of dollars for military, (including infra red, some Surefire products, and others), but LE and civilian use is all about Lasermax or Crimson Trace.

The under the gun/in front of the trigger guard is no good either as it almost eliminates all holster options (unless you want to pay for a completely custom holster to be made from scratch, sending your gun frame to the maker, etc). It also locates the laser even farther from the bore - this set-up is not a good option - which is why LE used to have that design ten years ago and gave it up for Lasermax.

Lasermax WILL fix your problem. Don't worry.

And regarding Crimson Trace: Good quality stuff, but I don't like the grip change they incur, or the fact that each and every time you hold your gun, the laser is "on" no matter if you want it on or not. I like controlling when it's on or off.

[RayB]

No way the Unimax has been available for two years. Maybe, MAYBE a year. Definitely not two, and probably less than one.


My oldest pic (attached) of the new Uni-Max was created on October 13, 2006. The new laser began appearing at retailers within 60-days.

--Ray

[Gordov2]

My oldest pic (attached) of the new Uni-Max was created on October 13, 2006. The new laser began appearing at retailers within 60-days.

--Ray

Really!?!?!? Seems like less than a year. You would know better than I, Ray. So.... 1.5 years?

[6string]

No way the Unimax has been available for two years. Maybe, MAYBE a year. Definitely not two, and probably less than one.


You missed my second post I guess, where I corrected and said I bought it just over a year ago. Actually I posted a short review of it here on 3/15/07.

[Gordov2]

You missed my second post I guess, where I corrected and said I bought it just over a year ago. Actually I posted a short review of it here on 3/15/07.

My bad.

[6string]

No problem.

[Tactician]

*****

I enjoyed your review on the product. I had wondered how the Lasermax works out in the curious G36--a gun I have some interest in!

You lose me with some of your conclusions, though...

1) Police and military personnel that employ lasers in weapons strongly disagree with you, and that means something to me. They also give a strong thumbs up to their weapon lights. Police and Military Personnel that are deploying tactical lights and lasers are usually on the offence, not defence AND are not alone. They work in concert with each other and attack with overwhelming force. Does that sound like a defensive tactical maneuver to you? Just because the professionals use lasers and tactical lights, does not mean you should. Can you understand the need to not divulge your location to the intruder who lays in wait to attack and see's you a mile away?

What the police do and the equipment they choose is rarely the right choice for civilian self defense.



Intelligent use of lasers and weapon lights requires a study of tactics and some practice drills. Professional training's even better!

Duh! I'm just an untrained internet commando named Tactician. I would know nothing about practice drills and training. I should listen to the Po Po and use what they use. [/sarcasm]

[9mmkungfu]

I own two Lasermax units, one installed in a Beretta 92FS since 2001 and another in a G23 since late 2007. Both function flawlessly and I have not had any issues. Just my experience.

[RayB]

1) Police and Military Personnel that are deploying tactical lights and lasers are usually on the offence, not defence AND are not alone. They work in concert with each other and attack with overwhelming force. Does that sound like a defensive tactical maneuver to you?

2) Just because the professionals use lasers and tactical lights, does not mean you should. Can you understand the need to not divulge your location to the intruder who lays in wait to attack and see's you a mile away?

3) What the police do and the equipment they choose is rarely the right choice for civilian self defense. Duh! I'm just an untrained internet commando named Tactician. I would know nothing about practice drills and training. I should listen to the Po Po and use what they use. [/sarcasm]

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1) I'm aware of how they work. Also keep in mind that cops seldom work on their home turf, and the situation can turn defensive very quickly. But I get it--different tactics. :cool:

2) That's a pantload. It's just a matter of how they use them. Of course, I understand the stealth thingy. Assume I'm as smart as you are... I've said a dozen times (at least) that when you suspect an intruder, you don't saunter through the house with light and laser blazing! :whistling:

3) Lets see, Glocks, Lights, Lasers & Ammo--there's four things cops and civilians may have in common! And we're both on the same side (I hope). But I see your point--different tactics. It's not that difficult a concept. :freak:

No reason to be a jerk about it. Did I grill you on your poor spelling skills? :upeyes:

--Ray

[cag27]

left a message with Josh at lasermax today to get an update on my laser.
Called at 8am pacific time left voicemail.
2:30 now no return phone call yet.

Maybe he took an early weekend. :wow:

[pro2nd]

I just picked one up for my G22c. It's not working very well...sometimes it works everytime..the next time it won't but if I rack the slide it will kick on..next time it won't work straight ahead but will light up when I point it towards the ground!
Any ideas>?

[RayB]

I just picked one up for my G22c. It's not working very well...sometimes it works everytime..the next time it won't but if I rack the slide it will kick on..next time it won't work straight ahead but will light up when I point it towards the ground!
Any ideas>?

*****

Sorry to hear this!

If memory serves, LaserMax won't guaranty out-of-the-box alignment in C-Models...

If it's new, double-check the installation steps carefully, and if all is right, return it at once! Either exchange it, or try something else...

If you want to work through it, LaserMax will help you, as long as it takes to get it right!

http://www.lasermax.com/

--Ray

[cag27]

left a message with Josh at lasermax today to get an update on my laser.
Called at 8am pacific time left voicemail.
2:30 now no return phone call yet.

Maybe he took an early weekend. :wow:

Talked to josh yesterday. I had to call him back, he didnt return my call.
He said he installed new batteries and and left the laser on for an hour and a half and their was no problems with it :yawn:

So it shipped on the 3rd he said back to me. Its the 10th now and still no sign of it. I hope it works like its supposed to when i get it back.

Ill let you guys know how it turns out.

[Pappy John]

Just made a trade for a used G29 with a Lasermax unit already installed. We'll see how it goes this weekend.

[USMC06]

Mine worked great! I only sold it because I wanted to use the money to fund another gun. I will eventually buy another.

I still wish Lasermax would come out with and interal green laser!

I was at an international law enforcement trainers and educators conference and expo in Chicago last week and I was playing with one that had a green laser. They now make them with green lasers.

[cag27]

well got it back from lasermax and they said its fine :shocked::dunno:

so ill go back to the range this weekend/next week and see how long it lasts for.

[Guitar4Him]

From the descriptions of the problems that have been described with the Lasermax, my guess is that the electrical connections at the slide release are getting dirty. It might be worth pulling the slide release out and cleaning the electrical contacts on it and on the back of the lasermax with a pencil eraser.

[cag27]

From the descriptions of the problems that have been described with the Lasermax, my guess is that the electrical connections at the slide release are getting dirty. It might be worth pulling the slide release out and cleaning the electrical contacts on it and on the back of the lasermax with a pencil eraser.

ill give it a shot..... literally LOL

thanks!!!!

[Pappy John]

I got to try my newly acquired G29 out over the weekend. The laser is set perfectly for POI, but the slide lock/actuator switch keeps turning itself off and on with recoil. :steamed: